Ep. 1437: Where we need to use your canOne man's social battle against the Subway sandwich Twitter account, an app that overtakes your ears, a toilet-sharing service called AirPnp, and Kuerig announces DRM instant coffee.
Hey what's going on everyone it is. Tuesday march 4 2014. Hey thanks for a tune into the forum for show on CNET I'm Jeff back and I'm Justin -- I'm Ariel Nunez a -- HE -- I don't know. What's happened things like I got -- like -- Mya. Moses artists are you know -- -- again you're like just get really itchy in -- Kinchen that he hadn't and believe edges of life saving that there winter dryness may. -- you don't even get me started there is nothing that will cure my winter dryness. That's a whole different show I think it is tower in and then you have to -- you know there. You comfortable the -- now. -- -- I'm AO KA okay you've never stated that the -- -- and -- -- there are never gonna you know -- -- -- a -- it is he never said. Here tomorrow is gonna come and -- -- you know -- -- on fine and dandy if it couldn't. Love it and these zones. So. My good buddy Justin you would -- we have a plan for the good people of the Internet today. -- we have a pretty good -- yeah I think. So we're gonna start off the show but talking about my favorite discount sandwich franchise. Subway. Story about somewhere that you may not wanna hear of your big fan of that restaurant I'm not so you can -- -- -- -- -- not gonna affect you at all. But -- -- do you wanna listen and either we're gonna talk about an app that can sort of listen. To the world around you gotta warn you to things that are gonna be endangering your life. Okay you can still listen to music loudly right now but not -- -- here like the bullet coming -- yet. Cool and they -- to talk about a service called air PM. -- you guess what that is. Before we get to it and then we're gonna finish up -- show with a story about security coffee makers. So the data never thought we never talk about safari before but now that we have an appliance division of CNET -- -- -- mean this is like exactly -- -- in our wheel house yet. Itself stupid anyway -- it has all the offers come from by the way why we have house said that to people before. And they had no idea wouldn't -- -- have in your real -- I think it's like it's means your sweet spot yet -- saw her like an athletic term. Where it's like me and don't pitch him in his in his wheel house -- -- not gonna park yeah. Here's it's like you're you know -- in my RAR have you ever heard -- they're using new phrases today either -- -- -- -- have never heard them over to agreed -- now. Okay so it appears to have originated in baseball. As far back on an 1850s down and write to describe pitch that comes across the plate in the batter's sweet spot. A -- three can reliably make solid contact with ball -- like -- beta and why. Dan mom kid that's pretty I didn't like Mike dropping -- right there but they don't call it like oh don't throw it in that batters we'll us to this thing. It's no it's never used in that regard it's always like you know he you know he -- from writing his new announcement every thing's gonna happen that's why we lost the game -- painful. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Out of the park and yes that's me that makes sense -- -- -- -- for the preference for sure it's like literally a different language did. Right after using them more often -- you -- you should be I think you should it. It will never come up intentionally appropriately and you -- But I didn't rove and I think you'll be afforded many an opportunity rhetoric. All right tell me about the subway store before I lose my mind a few times disgusting I -- at subway a lot of aerial DeLia units of having you would have seen the canvas bags are now well -- fraternizes I moved here having. Well maybe once or twice but not often -- It's hard to avoid them here that I mean there and everywhere and more subway is than any other fast food -- at McDonald's I think in the or Dunkin' Donuts everywhere a law and I hate their stupid bags that you can't -- purpose for anything's -- you -- -- -- around like. You know tubes stock this -- I think. It's really annoying. I ends -- that's just the tip of the iceberg -- -- French -- with your free dosing yourself SS. It's a good deal though if you're in college and trying to save money that title for long predict the I'm sure it is but you survived if you're a subway supporter. You -- not gonna like the story -- on so in late February. Of this year -- a man named Patrick bell for. The name of the drug. With the -- character in wall to Wall Street -- -- jordin Belfour yet you're not not hosted on -- side. -- -- -- he visited a subway franchise. And Ontario -- up in Canada and he bought a Turkey foot long and it's Italian urban cheese. Is that the right move. Well I usually go to the spicy talents like -- that's one of -- but I will forgive him for now because that's salami you're getting gone. -- when he bit into the sandwich though he noticed an ingredient that he didn't request to have put on the sub. He noticed a little insect with -- legs sticking out and it was a Cochran child -- those little. Get as little -- -- you -- guys splitting it into -- sandwich the tech is that when I think cockroach I think of like the inch long so you think in the New York breed of -- site. With the scientific known patients should take it. Anyway that's disgusting so what happened yes -- we need get into it be when he first thought was a black all of and it had been Cochran. And -- -- all I hope people are listening to this before lunch yet and here's a picture of it right here. No I just get a ticket and Internet this is a coupe of big zero has lost my lunch yet. It's a good thing too because if you had provided a photo I would have showed it but he didn't actually take one. Instead he went on Twitter right it's like the first -- several induced complaints -- customer service force. And he decided to send a few T tweets few at subway Ontario. And daddy got his contact info and requested that he sent it over but nobody respond for about ten days. And so like anyone who wants to go -- to lash out against corporation he continued this Twitter Barack. A little too far he was crazy dad -- it -- tell tell tell the people what he did it so he went nuts on Twitter sort of launched the social media campaign. I should note on the side here that his job is actually social media manager. -- does is -- -- one around twit I guess. So we went on to promote the story of what happened. And I don't use that word promote lightly to the actually paid for promoted tweets he paid ninety bucks for Q and nights of -- tweets -- -- To promoted tweets cost 45 bucks really I guess so yeah. I -- -- an unfair and guess what else we can afford -- -- should have yeah I -- this is what like confuses me is. At no point during the subway sandwich making process is the sandwich out of your view. It's always right there behind make a half inch piece of glass right you can only see what's included was in the ingredients like one of the -- look at -- and how could've been -- was likely to -- underside -- -- -- yeah. I find that hard to believe I mean almost no. -- snow photo stalinists -- hoax here the snow so absolutely scrutinize. And I don't know are. I guess but I mean if he. You're right mr. bell for a few word 20 I don't know include photographic evidence and a yours said cockroach in said -- -- right. Well I think a few more people would -- your claim that much more serious threat. But it's actually -- bad because they haven't responded to any of his messages in a date although it back to. Early January 2014. There's been a few months now it's not good for -- PR. It's sort of a lesson in how not to deal with social media problem when it keeps popping up. Because now the daily doctors reported on it today so the words getting out we're talking about it on CNET sell a lot of a lot more people know about this. In a subway had just suggested earlier may begin a twenty dollar gift -- this -- could have gone washed away. Early in the game and then he needed negative seventy dollars right -- At least on the ninety dollars that he paid for those promoted to break her. So that's -- story with with -- man Patrick. I'm how would you would you yet -- -- -- -- -- that's apparently what happened was those W location but sandwich from hats and construction going on next door. And we all know what that's like rent chicken -- kind of sit down for the same reason our favorite deli across sure you share the people still go there. Yeah I mean obviously that thoughts like not even worth asking me you know because every restaurant has had something happened -- When I think it's crazy is that key I mean them the real stories like do you take a photo yet. Take a photo its like the woman who didn't take a photo of the -- -- in her thirteen -- -- photo and then we'll reconvene in a -- and we are talking about ticket -- -- photo yet to be honest I'm a little disappointed and I apologize to our viewers so we're hoping for a photo -- introduced in the story but. So I don't happen. He -- do you want money out of it using you wanna recoup business he wants an apology he basically just once you know his moment in the social media spotlight. And for then says sort of recognize it -- a problem. Of birth thirty future people eating -- and we don't get a bite of a -- it. For -- a socially a so called social media manager yet this is not how you do it now. Right yeah it's bad it's bad do you spend news is in. Okay I'm still hungry though I would still -- its ugly if I did yeah but I don't has nothing to do the cockroaches thing that'll. Stuff like that smell when I walk in -- like a weird subway smell -- can't quite put my finger on it it's like an artificial bread it's just view it just very. -- pleasant to the nostrils and and are you -- you know that's -- I'm an answer that's a growl you don't know that's a little plastic plus baking -- I don't know what is it does it's. It it doesn't smell like anything authentic it is an idiots I mean why is every restaurants knowing exactly like this units of -- does have that's really -- though. And I'm a little guilty saying this but I get them every time the cookies. So good. There had them before I had a good ether for the cookies are legit -- -- just pretty is the head cookies anywhere that's your that's true but when you're already -- -- sandwich and -- could give them. Actually have my problem is that you know eat fresh implies like you're eating well written and nearly. And it's notable -- -- really open kind of thing they open a banking. Read those India and just you need to should be then -- the -- -- me that's not a sign of a healthy meals debt. I'm not a doctor not a nutritionist but I'm just going by what -- and -- -- -- a lot of people -- and -- -- it's actually crumple up cookies and then I put them on top of -- -- that's gonna walk right out from -- -- just -- court would in my dealing in -- actually that's that's pretty competitive if somebody -- from the publicity is that your it's absurd -- about the app that's supposedly gonna save -- yet tried to endanger the sounds pretty cool so we see this all the time -- people that walk into subway fountains. I'm sorry Alex street fountains and -- into walls and things like this because they're listening to their -- -- street -- you know it just found on the street like a water fountain. Click on the site drinking -- but you know like a statue or something -- -- -- the -- yet. Now drinkable water. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- This inconveniences -- -- whose idea was it to put this via the damage has a walk around is this is terrible excuse me. I united is listening to headphones its its gonna hazard when you live in a city like New Yorkers car lot going on should pay attention with the provision sort of lesson number one chair and walking -- So if you want to avoid that I guess the easiest answer would be not to listen to music in public but. People think like -- do the one year out -- saves them to read only saves the things on one side of your. The head drag everything -- -- that most people pretty much want to protect the entire market percent of your -- And your eyes -- enough -- more than your eyes. Sound so it's it's turned out to be -- little -- too much to ask for some people this could turn off the headphones. Professor Carnegie Mellon. Who actually -- speech recognition he developed an app called audio -- and you can actually download it right now. I receive -- -- -- for people it's only available for the Android platform so. Apple uses sort of out of luck here on basically what it does it runs in the background of your Android phone. And it picks up outside sounds but you know a lot about thirty do this I think we've actually talked about. Other apps that do this before but what makes this one different is that the app comes with a bank of -- program noises but it already knows. So when you turn it on it RD can recognize things like cars honking. On or you don't breaking glass or even a ringing doorbell if you listen to your phone inside the house right and so when -- use it in rule. In the real world. It basically picks up on those things and when it recognizes a sound that -- years. It'll actually pause your music. So hopefully you can pick up on what's going on so that's -- pauses whatever -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- something important happening yet noticed positive doesn't actually tell you what's going on so it's always listening yet but the cool part about it is that. You -- I -- let's take out your ear -- in order to hear what's happening because it uses your microphone that's built interior -- the ready to sort amplify the north is going on around it. Interest and yet which could be a hazard if you've been here a car honking and you think it's like. T seconds -- -- blow out your ears yet it's actually a couple of miles away direct share share. So that's audio where you can get it right now on you know this reviewing technology review sort of accepted they don't actually talk about whether networks but only here for the people. The -- -- metropolitan cities could -- Well I mean the that this story sort of says that the technology is in full proof -- it. There -- a demonstration. Where. The software kind of incorrectly identified. Door bells ringing then so. You. Are susceptible to miss hearing things -- -- -- I mean I I I don't know where some won't be like -- my life is so hazardous that I have to do this right. So but I I still wanna try -- out just sort of you know experience it -- not gonna use it in any real life situation now I. I think in one place it could be really handy is in the subways and underground subway -- -- I see people all the time that have headphones in and no kind of do that lean over whether looking for the next train and -- just turnaround. With their headphones in and it won't -- like an oncoming train. -- went -- and I mean they're not like sticking their head in the middle of platform they're really close to a -- looking down the tunnel rise. And handle -- not see something coming you know nothing will be around the corner and in the turnaround. And then two seconds literature and we'll come rushing past them and they'll have no idea it's kind of frightening to watch. Okay I'm -- -- visualize a situation where that would be dangerous and it's people not paying attention to their surroundings subway platforms are super dangerous place that people complicated if you don't have headphones in through it is share. All right this story era will blow your mind I've never considered something like this but -- -- to the units is prize -- me swear it. -- headlines sound like jokes. But the total next few headlines are are pretty much almost built she's at -- a -- it -- Harden -- but -- -- Apparently it's a real thing what the hell is it. It is a service that lets you open up your bathroom in your house to the public. It's like AB and B but for -- five dollars to stand tend to say yeah that's some think and it sounds like a joke because. There are actually jokes that that sort of play on this idea of over sharing and -- are you know. There's these kinds of services like air being -- -- that basically crowd source your open spaces. -- did you see that isn't it is an episode of -- -- Now talking about. And it basically it's Fred arm is any K -- the pit. We play these that few people that open up the being the yet they can be as neat yeah and you know autonomous color -- -- out yet. And they basically rent out everything in their car their apartment their toothbrush and open space in their -- -- redirect it's ridiculous absurd but it's very true you chat and it's basically falls under that. The best is there a little logo it's like a little job of now somehow I see yeah yeah yeah super growth and little thank you Ricky -- ranger -- -- So apparently there's only about a dozen air -- And most of them are actually in Europe -- in the United States there are actually testing the service right now in New Orleans for Mardi. Don't have -- -- -- service that you can find not necessarily. Someone's residents to just talk a little -- him from the woods yeah I am feeling that seems absurd. But there's like -- -- that rates public restrooms are guests -- Sharma and had a blow up an app that did this. On they basically just you know listed restrooms in your -- you can rate and review them based in your experience. There's also cleanly this is not a new concept by the way I think there -- even a sign found episode where -- sort of talked about this. Cleanly CL and dot LY. Is a website that is basically dedicated to you private. But also public bathrooms that I -- -- -- a series of private bathrooms that if you pay for the subscription service you get access to. You paying a monthly basis I don't know what kind of person be away from their homes so much that they would need. You know basically an unlimited network from the public -- is only a serious bladder issues yet yeah -- I mean I think this isn't the pot calling the kettle black -- and my friend that I do use about the -- you -- known as someone who quote -- -- Core exit now. To slow. -- silicon could benefit from this and seemingly -- since there is the right but when you live in a city like New York. You really are -- never at a want for public -- in their everywhere the physically any Starbucks and McDonald's are microchip is to walk into any hotel of which there are in the hotels or did -- and they they're always have a clean is -- very clean lobby. And will never ask you do you ever what do you like funny -- do you ever rationalize your visit there to sort of feel like. Well it's cooler belong here oranges team the trick I use is always just be on the phone and sounding angry. Yeah Telecom talking to my mom and I'm really frustrated on the phone. -- you know mom. I can't go there right now you can see it tomorrow not today -- -- and when people -- -- disguise super pissed off. And you -- -- performance yet I have a whole script and then you. You know and you push open the bathroom yeah via their income and you come on -- -- everything and yet and time to go back to my hotel -- it is on you know -- to go outside certificate and and as those automatic doors appear like us. And or you know another thing that idea that always works is if you go to a restaurant. And pretend like you're looking around for the party that is and waiting for you a good approach and then you know I guess they're not -- -- outside but gonna use the restroom before. There like of course yeah yeah you're going to be a future cut dinner of your future patron comment BR guess -- works beautifully every time -- city do you have to do the once over. Well I'm looking looking okay and because they're not here yet but I do say helps spot your benefited Hana. -- is we'll clear some room for the incoming mail right. What I'm curious about oh here -- about this out of this as just one you know get this out of way for people who are listening you've taken some advice about where to go for for you know those emergency piece. Here's -- place you should never ago. Never go to like up pizza joint. No pizza joints number one very gross bathrooms because they have like two bathrooms in the employee one and then have the one for you people know which ones of being like. You know street dwellers and want non -- And only that though -- I've tried this before. And I've been called -- There it those places are always -- very importantly that but they're very well lit in terms like it's harsh light but its brightest talent there which can ever sneak right in its -- -- guy who's like get add a year. No that riff Raff via. So I'm just gonna -- go to if you don't go to a pizza please okay I would go to like a four star. You know restaurant before -- to a pizza you had yet or Barnes and Noble's I was -- -- -- good -- to although people can live there yes you are. Entering someone's. You know home kind of you'll we should never use a public bathroom is anywhere that requires you to pull one of those -- coincident in order to access these don't do that. And then a second do we -- yeah dad yet whose food maker of those points and I -- US government school will use it's not only can you third party moneymaker came. There's no money -- It's money -- it's a dollar to dollar pointed dollar I was just. Some credit currency that's only used to pay for public bathrooms and that it now I got. It's a (%expletive) going -- yeah it is it's like a picture Richard on the back. I use your old -- because there's dollar -- -- -- -- -- restaurants are given like a sack of those to give out pull it up. -- you -- not right this package -- we have gold coin the crap did you hear me. -- I know it's that's hilarious number one number two it's just like a Susan B. Anthony call it one dollar look it up but how come. But they don't ask you to pay for those they still keep a bunch of them up at the front you was asked for what does that mean. Meaning you'll have to have one of those -- in your pocket nor to use the restroom usually just go up to account and ask for one. Let's beard and -- talking about like. Carnival tokens I can't understand what you mean I'm pretty sure you look at the second you we call him looking McCain looked her up. She is worth one million I now know what those coins -- yet. But they weren't very popular. And -- subway automated tellers and -- and subways would like spit him out and you just hold. A handful of like seven or eight seconds -- we clarity and you doing this panel and this is in his. -- -- -- -- All right and you can we see what one looks like it kind of is like she's on -- the screen -- you -- send -- Julia -- looks -- with even -- -- -- -- -- -- second you -- -- fact that there was echoing that you know never really -- out. Yeah I feel terrible about it. Now here again and again and see this second you we -- here. There there she is she is. This is the -- it used to go to the bathroom yeah I don't know but if you recall it's a beautiful -- you know sculpture you have a second Juliet is never took off with liberty. Marked over the front of the too heavy analysts can this -- and Susan B. Anthony -- is really never did anything either always get them for like losing teeth. And again and do -- -- -- -- and do this dollar Cohen yeah this is in Canada to -- -- dollar bill now. Exactly com arts -- -- -- peat -- trying to make it a real thing by introducing it at. A -- -- this year but the cool thing about it is that the last thing I'll say. You can actually charge -- -- this is the incentive for people to open up their homes to the public yet for them to come -- into scraping your back through life. -- really friends use the bathroom in my apartment what ads let strangers coming -- to take -- dump five. This stand tend to see it do you you in the in the like okay they'd been impugn it although just come in and say -- have to stand -- of the gonna sit. That's why you take the toilet paper out. -- of the bathroom. Until they -- when they come up and say well it's gonna be you know. Tend to Sid and you give them to a paper that -- earned them the right that you buy an extra dollars yet. Is the premium to sit him that's a good idea like that there it is I thought -- there you -- -- -- Hana. Speaking of thinking things through. Everyone knows about cure -- right there like all the rage in homes across America -- -- -- right -- single serving little K cups they call me upon the new procured machine. A bunch of magic elves warm up the water and then you've got your own personal cup of gentle rights. But the popularity of security machine templates you. Countless imitators -- making their own cups ready for cheaper than the proprietary cure egg Brent. Credit and their partners right. So now the next generation of cure rate individual cup coffee machines. Will supposedly have DRM in them. So that only. You know official authorized certified K cups -- more work appropriately. With the machines -- -- When you say DRN. Protected. That does mean it's a proprietary shape that no one else will be able to warm milk and it actually or actually something digital inside the cup. Well it is complicated yeah. It's complicated because you have to do something the shape you can't just you know do because they've. The tried did like cold lawsuits and or hold onto that. And -- apparently it just doesn't it none of that is that has held up. Yes and number the most popular blue lake here eight K -- the -- were being sold as just and which is so backwards because if you wanna do that by saving money one I just bought one -- to stop buying the machine entirely. And just use a regular freaking coffee -- I -- understand with a -- is because coffee is super easy to make already distanced. I guess -- -- just help you not have to buy me. Filters are expensive you -- it's Dwayne Wayne -- is craziest -- rage -- your own copy and I read this New York Times article. That said Andy did a map on it and according to Dan. Even if you've bought on Amazon they would charge about twelve dollars per row four pack of cake I know enough for -- or six -- that basically a dollar and it was in here I broke down here so -- they're charging for these are page with pretzels and Amazon thirteen 73 -- pack right which comes out 224. Dollars a pound. It's grown coffee breath coughing and it's usually pay five dollars a period of 515 dollars in U with the really premium -- -- -- whatever it's. Crazy and it's one of the reasons why and boss these and I bought a coffeemaker and regular even if you're just -- -- -- out yet you know you're not gonna drink he still way more. Cost effective and then buying individual -- -- -- We have a -- -- machine. But we don't really use it anymore because it's you know it's it's sort of -- ripping us off. But so here's how they're gonna do it they're gonna do with interactive readers. That are programmed only to -- with curing the license K cups is crazy so. Walk like to me. You know this is the same thing -- like every -- content distribution company. Run it ran into a few years ago when DR I was like a major major. With consumer rights advocates. So it's crazy but apparently this is definitely going to happen. And the are going to be faced a lot of challenges because a lot of people like the third party K cups -- curious thing it's just like RC who gives a crap about the coffee it's just crazy to me that like. You're -- that having a coffee company. Like what Apple does where it just blocks out everyone else unless it has authorization and licensing from the original -- Capture it's -- -- -- compared to Apple I think that's a great -- it because. They didn't invent copy right -- -- it was around for a very well he did -- -- a Taylor did invent a very can I -- one way the invented the vessel right in their machines are pretty good for the most part is slightly more convenient right. It's an. It's also much more inconvenient to the environment not trust between last person to study you know -- -- green card right. But that being said it's who we -- -- because aid the plastic that security cups. Are built out of is non recyclable it's terror can't recycle up because it's heat resistant right it has to be made of this specific kind of material -- -- security has patented. Can't recycle it and then on the outside and attitudes you know and -- in the -- And so -- Meeks. That's so stupid men of -- say it African racket they got men they've got these. You can buy the individual ones that you put coffee grounds into it though like -- -- container put those -- They don't work well and whenever you get a cup coffee it's like Turkish coffee it's just got the grounds in the midnight with the -- and -- -- some some -- coffee -- great progress so that so I feel like a purposefully make. Awful versions of that. And it's it's your right -- yes we are not showed a fly that flag. The men as it -- and a holy god is -- terrible that's pretty nice though there's a funny story that really made the rounds yesterday on the Internet it's like men. -- have you not did you not research. Any sort of potential blow back that something like this. Has affected. Countless congress DRM just has bad publicity can't associated -- and with an all -- don't don't be mistaken they definitely did not. You know market this as DR -- yeah. They they you know their language was much more you know of of the euphemisms it is -- to shine in a positive light but. -- that that's that's what it is to hold onto that legacy K -- machine. I -- for a lot that's the moral to this story. Chips and there you have it. All the news that you. They care about yet wrapped up for you and one little for a four episode what are people actually use the stories we talk about and just bring -- up and you know there every day life. Show I would I would imagine like sometimes huge thanks to you never gonna believe XYZ did yeah -- -- -- was soon he's doing here today is to remind you cured machines for cuts to every call we welcome then everybody who -- of them -- I hope we review and I hope someone hope republic definitely reviewed and does it then. I -- see the first really harsh take down on the scene and appliances page arena. -- Okay so. A programming note tomorrow. Mr. -- daily you know him from eastbound and down he played the principle. And in that show. He's a very funny comedian he's got a brand new show that premieres on Comedy Central Thursday night that's this Thursday night at 10 PM -- Review them Andy reviews ridiculous products. I think one of a not products but just like life events huge. He reviewed it divorce in an episode and he and his -- either -- and -- the character he plays. Just like sacrifices his well being to review anything so he actually so the character acts against us -- -- -- It's pretty funny he'll be here tomorrow to talk to us. All about the brand new show and I think it's a perfect fit because what we know what else we do here at CNET -- -- obviously entertain the masses we reviews that address so this is gonna work real well. Right and Andy's we'll house uses we have Lawrence like that bring -- -- all back together to stay tuned for that you're not gonna wanna miss it. Andy's a super funny guy -- a lot of phone with him tomorrow until then. Send us an email before four at cnet.com. Reach out to us on FaceBook Twitter -- to Graham but most importantly read it and -- check out our sub credit. That's at ready dot com slash are slash the 404. -- back here tomorrow guys have a great Tuesday I'm Jeff Bakalar I'm Justin knew how Mario Nina and this has -- the for a -- high tech low brow. We'll see you tomorrow with -- daily.