"Ep. 1322: Where our bark is worse than our roar"
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Ep. 1322: Where our bark is worse than our roar
Welcome to the 404 Show on this Thursday, August 15th, 2013.
You snapped your freaking fingers in just like that, August is halfway over and you think
man oh, man how much better can this program get.
How much better?
And you find out day after day that it can get better and it gets better, all right?
I need you all to know that.
-What are you talking about?
-Yeah, what's wrong with you?
Just to introduce yourself.
I'm just-- I need everyone to know that the show is just getting better and better and great things are happening and we're happy about that.
-I'm dead serious though.
-Can we start the show?
-Yes we can
Mr. Justin Yu.
We most certainly can.
That's how I'm introducing you today in the program.
-Let's-- you wanted to start over with I think right now.
-No, no, I don't want to start over.
-Like in the Twilight zone.
-I'm on a great mood because we got Richard Peterson here as well today.
-It's good to be here.
-It's good to be here.
I'm glad you could take Ariel's place for today.
-Still haven't done it yet.
I'm not gonna do it.
-No one knows what date is, they have no idea--
-I said the date already.
I said the date already.
-which episode this is--
-I said the date already.
-who we are.
-I don't know what show this is.
-Yeah, I don't know.
-What show is this?
-Oh, my God.
We're totally lost.
Thanks for tuning in everybody.
-Before we get going today, don't forget to enter our amazing, fantastic Powerocks contest as these guys go to Wednesday August 14th show post.
-And you can enter for a chance to win one of five Powerocks called the Rose Stones.
So try it out and we're
gonna pick 5 random winners that will announce on Monday August 26th.
-Also, can I mention a few guests that we're having?
-Is that okay?
-Would you like me to do that sir if you've ever seen Reno 911?
Have you ever seen the state?
Have you ever seen fantastic stuff like that?
Two of these fine gentlemen from those programs will be here on Thursday August 29th, Thomas Lennon and Robert Ben Garant.
They've been writers for a very long time, very funny people who I admire very deeply.
They will be here on Thursday, August 29th and we'll do a nice little interview with those guys.
They have a new movie coming out called Hell Baby.
Have you heard about this?
-Hell Baby, which is in theaters Friday, September 6th.
So make sure you tune in Thursday, August 29th, when Tom Lennon and Robert Ben Garant will be here.
They play Lt.
Bangle and Deputy Junior--
-from Reno 911, which is one of my favorite comedy central shows of all time.
-Who else we got?
-Who else we got?
There some talk about a guy named Bill Hader.
-There's a talk about that guy.
There's a talk about some other celebrities that we should really start getting super excited about.
-So I want everyone to tell your friends.
Tell your family.
Tell your parents.
Tell your brother and sister to watch the show for the rest of the year 'cause we got great guests coming up.
So get excited.
It's time to start getting excited about what this program has to offer.
-Pretty cool, right?
-I'm always been excited about what this program is about.
-I know you that's why you come on so much dude.
-Well Richard, you and I should be really excited because we're gonna be at the helm of this podcast, what is it-- in two weeks, right?
-You know how very much time for this training.
But we've done it before.
-We've done it a couple of times, yeah.
-Yeah, we've done it.
With just you, me and Bridget before and those are great shows.
-Yeah, and people love it.
The most positive responses we've got on this show.
-Or the emphasis when I was just--
-I'm not sure why.
-I think it's your sexy voice.
-I guess so.
-Your voice carries certain sexuality with it that few people can really comprehend.
-So you need to really, you know, appreciate that-- know your instrument.
-Oh, I know it's--
-Or probably a welcome change from all this squawks that are coming out of this side of the room.
-Yeah, too many squawks over here.
-You guys have lovely voice.
-Oh, thanks Richard.
-You got that like the sort-- it's not like baritone--
-It's like baritone.
It's like a baritone thing going on.
I love it.
-So anyway, Jeff's gonna be gone in Aruba in about like what, a week and a half?
It's just a week.
Okay, so you're gonna be leaving Monday, 2 Mondays from now.
Leaving 2 Mondays for now?
You're gonna be gone not this Monday but--
-Yeah, I'm gone-- tomorrow is my last day.
-Yeah, tomorrow is my last day.
We don't have 2 weeks.
We have one day.
-You pay attention when I talk, right?
-I have a calendar up in front of me right, man.
-Do you-- okay.
-I'll figure this out.
-just for people at home who were keeping
scores well, tomorrow is my last day.
I'll be back Monday, August 26th--
-the same day we announce the winner.
How about that?
Is that the way for you to--
I probably have to go back and listen to this episode in order to figure out when you're gonna be gone--
-Yeah, 'cause I'm not gonna lie.
When I was in Ocean City, you had no idea what the deal was with that either.
-I didn't know where you were.
-You didn't know where I was.
You know what day it was--
-Didn't care either.
You didn't know what the hell was going no.
-Well, you and Ariel are just leaving me and Richard to this show by ourselves so we have stuff to plan out.
I think it's gonna be a pretty good
-I hope so.
We're gonna have some good guests on.
-I don't know who yet.
I just wake up in the morning and figure out what I'm doing for that day.
I don't plan anything.
-I mean exactly a freaking secret.
-Why don't you get someone who's never been on?
-Why don't you stop telling me what to do on this?
-I'm just saying, well, try that out.
-Well, I know it's tough because, I mean you had Sheryl and that was--
-That was awesome.
People really love Sheryl.
-They like Sheryl, so-- but try and do someone maybe you've never have, I mean, I'm just saying.
Maybe I'll get Kenny in here.
-Oh, that would be interesting.
-Kenny's parents is long overdue.
-And no one knows who Kenny is because they don't work here.
-But Kenny is our office manager and he's really, really funny.
-You know who else wants to come back who's been up my thing for a while?
-Oh, no, no, no.
-And he's a fan-favorite.
He's a guy that people really yearn for.
-Yeah, Stupid Andy is a good guy.
-He is a good guy.
-And he recently
got a pair of custom-made headphones that we're talking about on the break room for 45 minutes.
Then maybe we can just have a show out of that.
-So maybe you talk about that for a couple hours.
Well, speaking of radio.
Let's get to the stories of the day.
Do you wanna do that?
-I kinda wanna switch the order of the run because we have it here.
But I wanted to talk about drive-in theaters first.
-Because I'm actually going to an outdoor movie festival tonight in Tompkins Square Park.
So every week during the summer, of course, like different parks around the city, they show outdoor movies.
And tonight I'm going to
Tompkins to watch Romeo and Juliet-- that 1985 Baz Luhrmann adaptation with Leonardo de Caprio and Claire Danes.
-That was 1995--
Isn't that crazy?
It makes me feel real young is what it does.
-It does, it does.
But, you know, drive-in theaters also make us feel really old and that something that--
-That was way before our generation.
-No, no, no.
I was gonna say that a lot of my youth was characterized by going to those drive-in theaters on a Friday or the weekend.
-I've never been to one.
You've never been to one before?
-It wasn't an East Coast thing.
The first drive-in theater was started in Camden, New Jersey.
-That might be true.
-But they went extinct way before I was old enough to go to that.
-Maybe just not have gone yourself.
Richard, have you been to a drive-in theater before?
-Yeah, not very much though.
-We were at [unk].
-To me it just sounds like the dumbest idea ever.
-Well, it's not dumb.
It's just, you know, hard to setup because in places like big cities, you need a lot of space, right?
There's not just a huge vacant parking lots where you could set up an
Obviously, you can't do it in a place like Manhattan--
-but in, you know, suburbia, it's perfect for that but it just not-- it doesn't work with the other facet of culture now.
-What do you mean?
-Like you pretty much needed like a leather jacket and a convertible to rock a drive-in.
-That's the stereotype.
But I remember going with my family and I was--
-maybe like, you know, 6 or 7 and I remember we're dressing up-- I would wear my pajamas to the movie theater because a lot of drive-in theaters, they showed double features,
So back to back movies.
-And that would be like a 6-hour even that you'd go to with your family so I purposefully dress up 'cause I knew I'd fall asleep in the car during one of the movies.
Why are you looking to me like that?
-I don't know.
I just-- you got this like cowlick going on with your hair right now too.
-Do I look like Clark Kent?
-And you look like you're in Grease?
-You're talking about driving so I'm just thinking like Grease lightning and stuff.
-Oh, I can recite any of those words.
-Imagine there was like an Asian guy in the T Birds?
-It would be amazing just like the
Intern just sometimes.
T Birds is interesting.
-Well, what was his name?
-I'm not even gonna go there.
-What was his name then?
-So, I remember--
-[unk] would have been racist though for sure.
-Maybe there's no way like John Travolta would have treated-- they would have treated him with the same amount of respect.
-That's not fair.
Or even if there was a Jewish guy in their group, you know.
-Was there a Jewish guy?
-I don't know.
He would have been the accountant.
Wasn't that guy with the water gun Jewish?
-He's like, you know, "We can't afford all these oil changes, so we keep getting all these Cadillac-body modifications we've been doing." Who's gonna pay for all of this?
pay for all of this?
We have no source of income-- whatsoever.
-I'm an Intern.
You all take care of all this-- oil in this jacket.
I remember they use a coin-operated intercom system in order to pipe the sound from the movie, the audio from the movie into your car.
And it actually wouldn't be in your car.
Now all the modern drive-in theaters they have like FM transmitters.
But the old ones, they would just-- it would just have this stand up next to your car.
-And it would be like-- going into a drive-thru fastfood restaurant, right?
-Like it would just,
spurt this terrible quality audio out of your car.
-Right, because that's the best way to enjoy a movie.
-Is having one speaker--
-like on the right side.
There's like-- come on.
And it would be in like 15 or 20-minute increments too so you'd have to put an extra-- it'd be like a meter like a parking meter.
-And that was your payment for the movie?
-And that was how you pay for the movie.
-Well, didn't you had to pay to get in.
-There was like yeah, there was like an access fee and anything.
-There was like a toll booth, right?
And then they made all their money off of like concession stand and stuff, you know.
-I don't know man.
it's just to me-- I don't know.
-It's okay now but super--
-It's super okay--
-What's happening today is--
-it is like definitely something to do.
-I have an idea.
I'm gonna sit my-- front seat of my car and put in park and started to put my hand up on the wheel--
-and sorta just watch the Terminator right now.
-Oh, this is great.
And it went behind me--
-It's so stupid of me.
-And half of your vision is impeded by your own feeling.
-Yeah, the frame of the windshield.
-It really is the most absurd thing that we've done.
-Now the worst part of this, I remember going in the middle of summer time
like in July and--
-You have the [unk].
-No, that's the thing is that you're not allowed to just keep your engine running.
-You can't idle.
-Yeah, you can't idle so you just be sweating your ass off in this car for four hours.
-Somebody needs to do a really long sort of the stand up routine about how stupid drive-ins really are.
-Yeah, that was pretty dumb.
-'Cause I know we're deconstructing the hell out of it right now but who's with me?
-They were dumb.
-No, but it-- I'm in scholarship for it.
-It's why they don't exist anymore, you're right.
-I like that.
But-- yeah, so there are only about
350 left out of a lot more back in like the early 80's.
-You said 350 for the country.
-Yeah, 350 for the country.
-That's a lot.
-It peaks in the 1950's at 4000.
-So now we're about 1 percent of that.
-So 60 years ago it was cool.
But when we were just like, you know, we're bathing in oil and gasoline--
-'Cause we had that so much we had to, you know, a surplus of it.
-And now we're like-- well, you know what?
Maybe you could run your hybrid car and not disturb anyone.
And it wouldn't be loud either.
-Yeah, there you go.
-That would be great.
-All right, we're on to something.
And maybe you plug in at the theater too.
-Oh, that would be cool.
Or they give you Bluetooth headphones.
-Now you're talking a little bit 'cause now I think the technology actually would be-- I think the experience would be better now 'cause especially, you know, even the lamest of cars have 4 speakers in them.
-The pipe and the Bluetooth audio is not the greatest quality in the world.
-And I think we're on to something here.
-Yeah, that would be great.
-You know, we're not.
We're-- I mean it's never gonna happen.
-It would be lucrative for us.
-You need a real estate
man, it's a high commodity now.
-Yeah, that's true.
Well, anyway, so a lot of them are going out of business anyway.
And it's no surprise it's because of the conversion to digital projection, right?
So a lot of students-- I think by the end of this year, Hollywood's gonna stop shipping out 35mm film to theaters.
Is that true?
Have you heard that?
-Yeah, they're fazing them out.
They're definitely all going to digital.
-I know films are still shot on it.
But they're not actually sending it.
-And not all of them though.
That to me, I'm kinda blown away as to how fast that's
Yeah, it's only been over the past what?
Let's say a decade.
Okay, anyway so it cost about $70,000 to convert your standard drive-in movie theater screen to digital and obviously, there's a lot of stuff to deal with there with the light bulbs 'cause you have to buy and things like that.
But according to United Drive-in Theater Owner Association, about 50 to 60 theaters have already converted and there's an article that I found that's kind of an interesting.
It's on AP
and they talk about one theater projector that converted to digital last year in Lancaster, Ohio.
And for some reason, there's a lot of drive-in theaters in Lancaster, it's not a lot of stuff going on there.
So there's about 50 still existence-- in existence in Lancaster alone.
So, you know, a lot of them are actually taking to social media in order to raise funds for that conversion 'cause $70,000 is a lot of money, right?
-Yeah, I guess.
-And this is cool.
So Peter Ha actually
put me on to this the other day.
But Honda actually has this really cool campaign right now and they launched it last Friday, it's called Project Drive-In.
So check this out.
This is Peter Ha's article that he wrote about it on Gizmodo.
But Honda's gonna put the bill for that $70,000 for 5 drive-in transitions to digital and now you can actually donate to Indiegogo to a campaign that will help the ones that don't win out of this contest.
So if you have a drive-in theater I your city, all you gotta do is go to this website projectdrivein.com
and you can vote for the theater in your city that you wanna get that $70,000 campaign to.
And then if yours gets picked.
It gets to stay alive.
And even if it doesn't, you can still donate to that Indiegogo campaign to get it just keep it afloat.
-I think that's a noble cause, right?
I like, like the branding of it was like the neon.
-I think that's like a nice little throwback thing.
-Yeah, that's awesome.
But Peter talks about this being, you know, obviously this is a promotional deal for corporate company, right?
-You know, I'm
totally supportive of this, you know.
Even if it does have a corporate--
-I just laugh because we just had him sit in here on Tuesday and such a butthead.
-I don't care if this "Poopoo" city started something.
We should all get behind.
-Everyone you know should get behind this.
-This is our main priority.
-I mean for all the junk Kickstarter campaigns and Indiegogo campaigns out there, the least we can do is come together for something like this.
-How old is he?
He goes, "Think of all the memories.
Your first kiss, your last
-your first hand-- wait a minute.
-Oh no, that's just me adding that in.
He's like, "Think about it, your first hand J.
-Is that where you got your first drive-in?
-I've never been to one so I gave my first one though, I tell you that.
-This is your routine I guess.
-You're like stuffing your comedy and--
-I'm just working on it.
I'm throwing crap at the wall and see when it sticks.
I've never been to a drive-in like I said before.
I don't understand how I was left out of this.
Your parents don't love you.
They didn't show you signs of-- they didn't take you to a drive-in theater.
-They never took me skiing or doing snow sports when I was younger.
-Yeah, I guess they just gave you a video game system and that's how you became the man you are today.
-[unk], we'll just put him on auto-pilot for 28 years and see what happens.
You're doing fine.
-Yeah, you're doing fine.
-Go to projectdrivein.com and vote for your local drive-in theater.
It's an important cause.
-It's not an important cause.
-It helped a lot.
-It is not important.
-Just take money out of those donation bins and just put it right into your--
-You just empty all those anti-AIDS prevention--
-And stand up to Cancer thing--
-You just empty those--
-Yeah, they needed that stuff.
-Empty those from Honda's pockets.
-Yeah, all right.
Next story of the day is kinda silly and has absolutely nothing to do with technology but Jeff put it in here anyway.
You wanna tell what's going on in China?
This should be good.
-I thought you were the authority on all things China.
You know who would now everyone-- you know, we bring up Wilson a lot because he--
-Do we or do we never talk about him?
-Yeah, we bring him up maybe like 5 times a year.
But anyway, he always defended China regardless, right?
Like even if they were like killing little kids and he goes like, "Well, there's probably a good reason behind all that." Anyway, I would love to see him defend this because it's completely absurd.
A Chinese zoo-- what's that?
-I just read there.
-Richard just read this headline.
The headline reads: China Zoo under fire for disguising dog as lion.
This is amazing 'cause it's not in Onion Article, this is real.
This actually has happened.
A Chinese Zoo, their African lion, which is in "was exposed as a fraud when the dog used as a substitute started barking." So yeah, you go along with your freaking little school trip and
you're going to the, you know, to the zoo and you're coming-- you say, "Oh, look at this African lion." And the African lion says going, "woof, woof, woof"
And not to mentioned that you paid 15 Yuan or $2.45 to see this lion.
-What these freaking rocket scientists in China did was they disguised this Tibetan Mastiff--
-Well, that's not really a big dog.
And it's super hairy and I also like how they tease all its [unk] to make it look like a maim but they only tease the,
you know, the hair from its neck up.
-Which I think is really adorable.
They gave it like a lion cut.
-How many lions have you seen on a leash also?
-I don't know.
-That's a tiny lion.
-But I'll be like, I'd ask the teacher, I'll be like, "Hey, this lion seems to be sniffing around a lot."
-And lifting his leg when it pees and it's not ferocious at all.
-Wait a minute.
It's a freaking dog.
-I think is really cute.
I don't understand like, you could-- this could never fly in places where there's no censorship on the internet, right?
-'Cause no one could just take their photo.
Is that true or am I just being completely ignorant about censorship in China, but you can't like reach all, you know, ends of the internet, right?
There's a big like--
Yeah, the great Chinese firewall.
-You know what it reminds me of?
-It reminds me of that Vise episode on North Korea.
-Yeah, of course.
-Where the Vice goes--
-Where they go to [unk].
-Where the Vice guys go
and they go into like a computer lab.
And the best part about that was everyone in this North Korean Computer lab, they were just touching the keyboard and mouse but not doing anything.
So they were taken into a computer lab--
-It was like an illusion.
-to see how technologically advanced North Korea.
-Right, 'cause like we have Google.
-Yeah, we have Google and everything like that and then taken into this huge computer lab but none of the screens have any movement on them.
It's just like [unk].
-There's no scrolling.
-There are no icons or anything of that.
It's just a blank desktop computer and there are people were just
-with their hands [unk] hover over the keys.
-Yeah, no movement.
They're not even touching the mouse.
-The mouse is disconnection.
-It's all fake.
It's like an Ikea Showroom.
But nothing is real.
And then there's one person just going like--
-And we're going kinda on a [unk] here but, so what happened is they go to the long guy who was like moving around and they start inquiring.
They're like, "What are you doing guy?
And he's like, "I'm just working on my documents." And they're like, "What does that mean?"
He's like, "I have important money papers that I need to examine--
-and open and close over and over."
-It was weird.
-It's very strange.
-Don't watch that HBO's Vice show 'cause that episode was mind-blowing.
Anyway, the same sort of trying to pull the wool over people's eyes is going on this Chinese Zoo.
-I don't know why Chinese people or these Chinese people think that they can get away with something like--
-That's what I wanna know.
-It's a phenomenal that's actually really common in China.
-And I remember seeing an article I brought it up here so that
we could show it on screen.
But there's this weird phenomenon about dressing your pets up to look like different kinds of animal.
-Well, that's here too.
-No, no, no.
Not-- with costumes and things--
-We do that [unk] stuff.
-Not to like put rain boots on your Chihuahua.
Not like that.
-But I mean like--
-In China, it's crazy.
-But look, check this out.
This is phenomenal about dressing your dogs have to look like panda bears--
-because obviously pandas are endangered.
And so they do this thing where they'll dye their entire dog like a mastiff white and then they'll dye certain parts of its ears
and a stripe on its neck and its paws black to make it look like a panda.
It's so weird.
Look, check this out.
And they make their dogs look a tigers and things like that.
-It's kinda cool.
-It's kinda cool.
-It's kinda cool but--
-It's adorable but culturist too.
Oh, that was so freaking cute.
I would imagine-- see the thing is it's not humiliating because dogs can't feel--
-They're not self aware.
They have emotions but they don't have--
-They could probably feel a thick coat of paint on their fur.
And that's what I think it falls into the abuse category.
-It's because it's unnecessary chemicals being used.
-But let's be honest it's worth it.
-It's-- I mean, it's a freaking adorable.
-And I ultimately I would imagine the dog doesn't suffer in any way.
-How is this photo not gonna be the main picture on our blog today?
-So gonna be.
That tiger dog is pretty cool.
The tiger is more, I buy the tiger more than I buy this freaking lion and I tell you that.
The lion is not cutting it.
Some quotes from the story just-- are the icing on the cake.
This is funny at all.
It said, for both the zoo and the animals.
They should at least use a husky to pretend to be a wolf--
-which is true.
Those husky dogs looked like wolves.
Is that they should have done.
If they're gonna try and fool the Chinese people, they should have used the husky.
-Here's a picture of it-- here's another photo of said dog dressed up as lion.
It's a big dog, okay?
-It's a big dog.
-Also the lion just don't go around with their tongue
is sticking out like that either.
-Yeah, and start licking people.
-They usually eat your face and kill you.
-That is so stupid.
Why did this-- it's sad man.
Isn't it sad?
It's not sad for the dogs 'cause the dog-- whatever, as long as they're feeding them and treating them well-- whatever.
Dogs are always in the captivity.
-Just for like people who go there and they're just not as stupid as they would like us to be.
-Yeah, that's terrifying and we're miseducating our kids.
I don't know think--
-[unk] must be able to
-There's no way to fooled anyone.
Maybe fooled like a 4-year-old.
-Maybe if you've never seen a lion before, which is possible.
-Who hasn't seen a lion?
Well, maybe not.
The great firewall of China man.
-Yeah, lions are all banned from Google.
-What do you think about that?
-What the Chinese firewall?
-Yeah, like what do you think about all that?
And I'm not asking you just 'cause you're Chinese.
-I mean the weird thing is that-- yeah, we didn't realize this until even a couple of weeks ago but they have a huge ban on video games since the early 90's.
So, you know, up until recently you haven't been able to even buy a console or any kind of
-I'm sure you could get it--
-Maybe get those all imported I'm sure.
-on the black market.
-The black market.
-on tour or something.
-But, yeah, it's kind of crazy to me.
It's super sad.
-All right, let's move on here to a less silly story.
-We're talking about online dating a lot and, you know, OkCupid always releases these random studies where they sort of empirically take these like these data for about their users that they get from questionnaires and surveys and things that they take on
But then they use that match-making data sort of lean information about their users and then sort of develop trends based on that information, right?
And so we learn about, you know, how people act in relationships based on these studies.
And the latest OkCupid study actually isn't done by OkCupid itself.
It was done by a program called recovery.org and they are all about addiction recovery.
Anyways, the founder, they conducted an experiment on OkCupid where they created
40 fake profiles, right?
Twenty men and twenty women.
Look, check this out.
Chris Matyszczyk actually blogged about this on CNET and the idea was to sort of figure out how easy it would be for both genders to cheat on OkCupid.
And of course, there are already sites dedicated to this like Ashley Madison for example, that it exists solely for the purpose of hooking up people that want to commit adultery.
-More and more research needs to be done.
I can't believe that's a real
-It seems like a joke but they had a Super bowl ad.
-They had a Super Bowl ad and they're still a company.
-So they're doing-- people are using this service.
-Yeah, people really love it.
I guess that well have to replace casual and kindness for people who really wanna cheat online, right?
I don't know man.
What is it says the single guy?
-Yeah, it's real talk though.
This stuff actually happens whether OkCupid's online or not.
It's not illegal, right?
It's not illegal.
anyway, OkCupid, they went on OkCupid and made these 40 fake profiles to sort to see who has an easier time cheating and how easy it would be for them to cheat compare to someone who's just single and trying to get laid.
-So the founder conducted these experiments and I wanna show the actual graphic run down here.
-Yeah, let's see the data.
-It's like an info-graphic.
-Let's see the hard, cold data.
-Here it is.
So, they identified these people into 4 different categories, right?
One was the brazen cheater.
And that was the guy who actually wrote in
his profile, "I'm married, I'm in a relationship but I don't know, I don't really-- I'm not really sure about my current partner and I wanna step out.
So I really wanna cheat." These are people that are advertising [unk].
-Those are the brazen cheaters.
Then there were the married maybes.
-The married maybes.
These are the people that are married and committed but they wanna be oppose in getting a little someone on the side.
Like this self-summary that they created for the married maybe says, "I wouldn't be here if I wasn't seriously ready for someone or something new.
My next adventure." Right?
Anyway, if you think we'd be compatible--
-We'll he's gonna stay with her right?
-They're gonna stay together, right?
-Does the spouse know about this?
-Maybe, who knows?
-Perhaps they don't know about it.
-They don't know about it.
-This is all behind their backs man.
That's what Ashley Madison is.
-They probably not gonna stay together man.
-But these are OkCupid profiles.
-These are fake OkCupid profiles, right?
So these are the fake personas they made up.
-So that's the married maybes, right?
And then there's also the recently takens.
These are people that, you know, they've recently
met somebody whether on the website or offline in real life but they're not really sure about that either so they kinda wanna cheat and mess around, right?
Which is weird, because if you spend any time on OkCupid, you can designate yourself into 3 categories in terms of your availability, right?
You can be single.
You could be married or you could be seeing someone.
And there's a lot people that have that seeing someone tagged for themselves, which is weird because if you're seeing someone, wouldn't you just deactivate your profile?
Why would you keep your profile up
unless you weren't looking into cheat?
-You might as well be speaking Latin.
-Do you know what-- does that make sense though?
It's weird how people designate themselves as seeing someone instead of just deactivate it.
-For me, I can only glance from the outside looking in.
-And I guess I get it.
You know, they-- people they wanna have one toe in the water and one toe in the other thing in someone else's pond.
-I guess that's the only thing I can understand.
All that's just makes me thing about how easy it
must have been to cheat 60 years ago.
-Yeah, when no one knew about it.
-When there was just no accountability.
-And if you took a photo they were like sparks.
You can never do it.
You could never do it privately.
-You couldn't just be like under your shoulder like-- you know,
-Yeah, I do.
It's like a thing when it go off.
You gotta have the second guy holding into a flash--
-All these exhausted and you probably smell-- probably smelled a little bit.
It's like a [unk] of smoke would come up.
It'd be like that guy just took a photo of you.
-Yeah, I think-- like the late 1800s, but either way.
Taking a photograph was not as easy as it is now.
It's like a light bulb would pop out-- like that.
-It's hard back in the day.
-Yeah, there were no selfies then.
-Yeah, definitely not.
-But now you can get away, you know, and just--
-You can just go online and do it.
-Which is the evidence, you know, like I could just imagine and to me like that's what I find very interesting.
-Like I would love to watch a show about people-- a fake show about people who cheated in like all the way they
try and cover themselves up 'cause you can't.
There's no way you can do it now.
And if you do, you're-- you should work for the freaking Navy Seals.
-Plus the fact that anybody is going on OkCupid and trying to keep that a secret is ridiculous, right?
-Because anyone else with an OkCupid profile can see yours.
-And I've run in to a lot of people, co-workers, friends--
-Yeah, that-- I know in real life that I've seen their profiles on OkCupid--
-Don't worry about that.
I've seen you on there as well.
-I've sent you a message.
-He was sitting here by the phone.
No one sits by the phone anymore.
-No one sits by the phone.
-What is phone?
-It's always by the phone.
-The phone is sitting on you.
That's what it is.
-You're using your phone just not to make phone calls.
-That's the difference.
-Yeah, so it's tough out there.
Plus, I've also seen a lot of people in real life that I recognized them from OkCupid, you know, but we've never met before.
-So I don't know.
There's just no-- there's no promise or anything to anybody on those sites.
But anyway, getting back to the study.
group was the sincerely singles.
And this was the control group, right?
These are people that are just genuinely single looking for fun, right?
-All these fake data for their 40 profiles they set up lived in the most adulterous cities in the country as identified by Ashley Madison.
-Okay, what are those cities?
-We-- sort of curiosity.
I'm not even gonna make you guess because I was pretty thrown off guard.
-Yeah, I mean--
-I thought LA maybe would be in there, San Diego.
-Yeah, there's no way.
-Maybe New York at least.
-No, see it's probably cities that are so incredibly boring.
-But it's not-- yeah, it is.
-Is Cleveland there?
-Cleveland is not there.
What's really boring city?
Denver-- no not Denver.
The cities in here are Oklahoma City.
-Okay that was close.
-Miami which is not boring but a party city so that makes sense.
-Right, everyone's banging each other.
Ever go on a vacation Miami.
-Houston, I don't know what's going on there.
-Houston is not a boring city, is it?
-I don't know.
Houstin, Austin and DC were the 3 of the other ones that are running in that list.
So DC, it was a little surprise.
That makes a lot of sense.
-It could be, why.
-Yeah, for sure.
-So okay, what do you think the results were of this test?
Do you think males were easier to contact and cheat with or do you think women were?
Who got more messages in one month?
I mean, this should be a really easy question.
-Well, it's one or the other.
I'm not-- 50-50 chance because-- obviously women, right?
If you ever--
-I would gonna say women, yeah.
-If you ever talked to anybody that's-- any women that's on OkCupid,
they get a barrage of messages, right?
It's like message after message.
And according to the study, in after one week, 336 of the women were contacted but they were all in a brazen cheaters category.
-So those were the easiest.
If you were just outright transparent about it, you're gonna get contacted.
-Well, I mean--
-think about it.
-And this is not.
I don't think this is like a sexist thing--
-but if you, it's-- if you-- I mean, we all know this
because we lived in a real world.
-If you are a women and you would like to--
-engage on any given night in--
It's very easy.
-Yeah, no guarantee it's gonna be like the start of something permanent--
-I don't even necessarily think it's bad.
I think it's more that, you know, women that are more open about just looking for casual sex are gonna get contacted no matter where you put it.
You can write your phone number in a bathroom stool, right?
And still get phone calls after that.
So it's-- yeah, 336 of those women were ones that were just looking for sex.
Forty-four of the men were also at the same way.
So, there were 44 messages sent after week one to those brazen cheaters that were men and that was definitely the highest.
But nowhere near the 336 women that were contacted in that brazen cheaters category.
-Right, followed by married maybes, was the next popular category, then recently taken, and then to the silly single was the smallest.
So it's weird.
There were still contacting a lot but not as much as the women
that were looking to just get nasty.
-I don't even know what the moral of the stories is 'cause women already know this, right like--
-Yeah, this isn't new.
-Oh, you wanna have sex?
You just go on--
-But I think it's just like a justification.
It's like, you know, we now have the data here and we can move on and cure cancer now.
-Now that we've got this one out of the way.
-I wish you would get on OkCupid Richard.
-I'm on OkCupid.
Yeah he is.
-Okay, so how's that experience been for you?
Is it weird?
-It's kind of weird.
I don't know if it's weird.
I don't date very often from it.
I've been on like 3 days from it.
-I don't think [unk] from it.
-I wanna know what the differences are between a gay men's experience on OkCupid versus a straight men's experience because from my perspective, there are a lot of women that just have a lot of rules on their profiles.
-That's a weird phenomenon that I'm not sure a lot of guys would have like, for example.
You read a lot of women's profiles and you'll see things like, "If you wanna message me, you have to be taller than me.
And you better not have
any spelling or grammatical errors in your message.
And it better not just be a hi or how are you.
You have to actually think about the message.
And you can't have long hair." You know, there's like a whole like list of things that you can't message them.
-Well that's because they're paying for it or--
-they paying for but they--
-Because they're probably tired of getting messages.
-tired of it and when you're online you have this expectation that you can just design your own boyfriend.
-So that's where that comes from.
-I don't think it's like the gay world.
There are lots of rules and
people don't get tons of messages like I don't get tons of messages and I don't send tons of messages.
-And I think OkCupid is more-- people are more looking to date because they're just looking for sex, they'll go and Grinder like Craigslist or--
-So, yeah people are more serious about dating from what I've noticed.
-Do you know anyone who rocks the Grinder pretty hard?
-Have you ever done it?
Have you ever tried it?
-What do you think of that?
-I don't like it.
cup of tea?
-Start to be explicit but is Grinder really just for hook ups or are there people on Grinder that use it for the same reason as they do?-- OkCupid to look for a relationship?
-I think there are people who do that not for many.
-Like if you say I'm on Grinder, then the implication is that you--
-Yeah, most people are just looking out for looking there for casual sex.
-See, I think that's probably-- yeah, you're right.
Gay men have that other outlet of there just looking for sex whereas, straight men, there's no Grinder for straight people.
-Yeah, there is.
-What is it called?
-Wait, Grinder for straight people?
-Oh, is it by the same people?
-I don't know.
But the guys start naming these things.
-[unk] called Blender as well.
-They just gotta stop, they're going A through Z, it's absurd.
-Yeah, it's interesting.
-I told you.
I know a couple that met on Tinder and they're like super embarrassed about it.
Yeah, that's not cool.
-And that's what you see the comment tomorrow is gonna be about that.
Then that's when you get a makeup a fake story about how you met, right?
That's the kinda looks just about that.
-So you'll see that tomorrow.
Yeah, I don't know man.
Again, it's very bizarre for me to look at this being out of the scene for like 11 years.
-And to see what's happen in just over a decade.
-It's freaking crazy man.
-There's just no rules on there.
It's like Outback on--
-It's outback man.
There's no rules.
-You can do anything you want like one of my friends told me
about how he was browsing OkCupid and you know how on that site you can see when other people have visited your profile.
-Well, he went to a girl's profile for the first time and then accidentally re-clicked on it when he hit back on his browser, so he went to it twice.
And soon after about 5 minutes later, he got a message from that girl, saying.
"Hey, stop lurking on my profile.
Either message me like grow some balls and message me or like piss off." You know, I mean, it was like a very aggressive message.
You know, and it's stuff like
that really just--
-But you like that?
-I don't know.
It wasn't me, it was my friend Jeff.
-I mean he liked it.
-Yeah, I think he liked it a lot.
And then there's that-- and then there's also people that.
It's just like a weird study in human socialization.
-It is, it's very weird.
-Do you know anybody who pays for the pro subscription?
-'Cause if you pay for it, then you can look on people's profile that they won't know that you look.
See, that's a weird thing.
There's a whole psychology that goes with OkCupid profile, like being on OkCupid.
Because if you pay for that, right?
It's like 5 bucks
a month or something you get access to all these different features like being able to browse invisibly, right?
And also you get access to more profiles too so it opens up your pool of daters, right?
Like that algorithm opens up a little bit.
But I think there's a stick attached to that is that if you look like you're putting too much effort into it, and you have to pay for the service and I think you gave off a little desperate vibe, right?
-Do people know that you're paying for it?
-I think so, yeah 'cause it says pro account.
But I think that actually works against
you so maybe another feature they should add is the option to hide the fact that you paid their-- which is-- like there's so much rules, there's like so many rules and bureaucracy to go through, it's crazy.
Before we say goodbye, I just wanna go through-- we never do this and we should be doing this.
I wanna read something like the app replies we've got on Twitter last week.
That's a good idea.
Let's just start.
We have this Twitter account, we're pretty active on it.
-We read e-mails all the time.
-We read e-mails--
why not read the tweets?
Let's see, let's go @Sagi_pronounce says, "The problem with gamifying sex with Spreadsheets, there's all the accidental speed runs." I don't have-- we need a rim shot sound bite, we could do that.
-It's not bad.
-It's not bad.
Here's another one, Mr. Espino-- it's not EspaÃ±ol, it's Espino says, "Here's where you can't get HBO
separately." Remember we're complaining with Peter Ha and Mark Milian over here.
Why the hell can't we just pay for HBO separately?
Well, it's pretty complicated.
So he links out to a Buzzfeed article that says, "HBO and the providers are so intertwined in a way that they promote them and also the way that they advertise their subscriptions to say that you can get a-- basically long story short.
There's a built-in transaction that happens between HBO and let say,
-So just because you're not paying for HBO doesn't mean Comcast isn't giving HBO a little bit of cash regardless.
It's just the sort of relationship they have that is so cemented it's-- it would be tough to severe.
-So, unfortunately, that's the situation with that.
And then finally, we'll read one from our buddy Rusty Brick.
You know who Rusty Brick is?
This is the guy named Barry Schwartz, who--
-Oh, he works right around the corner?
And he is the CEO of
-Which should we talk about it.
And that's like the cloud shul thing--
-with the Jew Glass?
So he told us, he said.
"I love you guys, this take on Jew Glass.
For your information, FYI, Hasidic Jews are cool with it." So there you have it.
I don't know if Barry Schwartz is Hasidic Jew, he's definitely Jewish with the name my parents--
-but he sounds like a good dude and thank you for listening to our show sir and Mr.-- @RustyBrick says, "Hasidic Jews--
-They'll do the Jew Glass.
-I'm glad that someone Jewish wasn't offended by what you were saying about the religion.
-There was like one guy who wasn't.
-It doesn't mean--
-And he still listens to the show.
-He does and that doesn't mean that dozens weren't.
-They just didn't complain about it.
-They just didn't complain--
-Complain on the internet.
-Because they hate-- right, you know that.
That's gonna do it for us today guys, 866-404-CNET.
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It's gonna be my last show for a while, but Justin and Richard are gonna hold down the fort.
-Yeah, we will.
So tune in then.
We'll see you tomorrow.
I'm Jeff Bakalar.
-I'm Justin Yu.
-I'm Richard Peterson.
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We'll finish up the week tomorrow.
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