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Ep. 1288: QWERTY booty and the end of the InternetOn today's show, we invent a new kind of typing (booty type, QWERTY booty, that kind of thing), and look ahead to the end of the Internet as we know it. Plus, do ethics trump shareholder rights? The Mark Hurd HP scandal rolls on.
Content on -- now -- everything Amanda right song I'm Molly Wood and welcome to buzz out loud in a podcast of indeterminate length -- episode 1288 we don't. We do but -- He has like -- -- Seriously as we have such a good pre shows yeah I had you -- -- laid out in defense of the stuff we're gonna yeah okay get all the -- was like it with something weird psychological barrier that we were all throwing up -- that's how fun now because the end of the Internet at night. Commuting via well. -- so much you actually access and it says sitting on what we wanna party like it's 1999. And think that this video and and we have an open and free Internet because there will be out partying in 2011 that -- -- -- -- okay -- -- the news and we'll let you Dyer own conclusions. As bad. Google and Verizon after denying that they were having talked about a business deal have come out and announced an agreement to get the result of an oxygen. And got a heck there's more of a modest proposal then it is a business agreement announcement and it is indeed you panic -- -- -- in -- and -- They have proposed a net neutrality framework it's like a proposal to policy makers and in a nutshell. Is I had -- at. Right yeah yeah you -- I hate to admit to but you were asked some good okay. There is that the key thing to -- right about. Of the many things in my guy right about this thing is that there is now this proposal to Google and Verizon are proposing on how to do net neutrality and basically it exempts wireless in the most important. Growth area of the Internet technology wireless broadband is exempt from his proposals which is not -- good to begin with any of that. Good news is that they have agreed that wired -- -- wired networks should remain neutral there should be noticed no discrimination actually you know pay for play there should be no. You know and that there should be transparency. And in fact. Teeth behind whatever proposals. Are connected to keep the wired network neutral like they say that there should be like two million dollar fine yeah. And that that should be. Very seriously -- -- but they did say that wireless networks right now are different and should be treated differently because they're smaller and they're still nascent. And that they should be left to their own devices and and they also said that they don't wanna make regulations that might affect future. Network related services. New service that right entirely new service. These is related to it's a broadband like the hard wire -- he's not wireless correct me this is why additional surface and wired -- says yeah this is the wired everything in this proposal. Is about. Wired broadband because wireless is exempt. And the from my perspective that the the good thing here is transparency everything they're proposing is. Whatever we do when it comes to quality of service -- it -- is all going to be transparent. But. I disagree with you that two million dollar fine has -- that that finds nothing for president Google. And they -- that -- I don't know that that would be bought a small -- though it would be more than anything they've ever and now I -- I think the biggest you know right now there are security threat right now that yet that these as we mentioned is -- malls. In this particular area French and at least have. Now all sprawl the least they would actually get some under -- from and again these this is I mean hilariously right that the just to private companies like. Or publicly held companies yet making a proposal that they think that that the government -- enact what what is interesting is that Eric Schmidt in the press conference about the multiple times you referred to the public Internet and leaving the public Internet alone. I think it's I think it's unbelievably damaging to -- wireless network out to just they have to be transparent but you can you ever they want whatever you -- -- think it makes sense not to try to enact a lot of far reaching legislation about new services. But the way that Schmidt talked about it made it really sound like. Look if you start up a private network. You can do it every one and then don't you think that Verizon and eighteenth in Britain would just start up private wireless networks and say okay here's our content packets just like cable TV and athletic -- with that sounded potentially disastrous attempt. Parents he is is good but transparency without. Giving customers control over what's happening is doesn't go all the way. And to your point Molly what that the key point here in this proposal is this thing additional online services. After saying what they say here's the provider that offers department and it acts of service. Could offer any other additional -- differentiated services. They would have to be distinguishable in scope and purpose from broadband Internet access service but could make use of Internet. Access content etc. And that to me is that big gigantic gaping loophole because what does that mean if you've got things that are running over the Internet that are bits and bytes that are using the NS servers. But they're not. Internet service is what is that all that is that is that. Streaming video is it. Look at me okay it could be private medical networks that can be my first responder networks and I think that that's why it makes some sense as far as I'm concerned to not try to. To not try to say we should enact regulations on things that we don't. Have yet because right that is that it -- -- the law of unintended consequences says that's never gonna end well but unfortunately. It it's true that if this -- -- this kind of thing where enacted a -- it would be full of loopholes. And -- I'm not sure that it should be -- mean what they're saying is that you know what they wanna regulatory framework that would protect. The that -- the network that no one is really investing in anymore and they want to be able to. They wanna be able to go wild west on wireless. And and move forward without any guarantee of neutrality on those networks and those are the future networks and -- and the bat that's -- -- a bigger deal than kind of not trying to regulate things that don't like that. So I know I know that a lot of people here like upset because also part of it is that they're saying okay well the wireless networks. Really aren't fully mature yet rate they they still haven't developed the technology Neil I I -- to -- both sides because I kind of see I'm not saying that widget. Yet -- any -- in the wireless space but. If wireless networks were as prevalent and easy access and had the amount of bandwidth that current wired networks have. Then it then okay I would -- activity -- but still I mean we all know how we use our cell phones we don't get that the right cellphone reception we don't get the right. Amount of data that we want wherever we go and so there are restrictions to what -- service writers can offer because right now the infrastructure still just isn't there yet now. Are we going to address the wireless space and any Charlie. I hope so but obviously Google and Verizon right now clearly made a point to say -- -- Almost -- we wanna leave downloadable figure out later overtime out the wired wired net net neutrality right now. I think I hope that. If this proposal you know becomes part of well -- will become part of the dialogue for rule making for lawmaking of that this whole wireless this exempting wireless is called into serious question I mean it could be one of these things that is the -- -- bit. Or -- nature from this. From its proposal yeah because as it is it basically carves out wireless as as you say a wild west of charges and expertise and non network neutrality. And the problem is that those networks are being run by you know. People are we are you -- -- hint for me okay. They've shown that they're willing to charge you multiple times for the same data and they've shown that they're willing to put artificial caps and things that that I mean there's no question that there is scarcity like you that I mean I think they're -- the real and exaggerated scarcity when it comes to wireless network -- but I think -- what we found with the Internet is that the reason that it exploded. And became as huge and important as it did. Was that it was allowed to basically grow and patent that -- -- and that we didn't have a scenario in which people were trying to offer limited versions of it at different prices if people and I just don't want us to get into a position where. You know Verizon's wireless networking -- that it in five to ten years right you subscribe to wireless pregnant. The way that you now subscribe to DSL and cable I don't want that. I don't want that have come down to me having to choose between different -- of content like on Verizon I can't get any porn but on eighteen -- I can only get Yahoo!. Right as Google has a deal with Brett yeah I think that you know that -- disturbing -- to think these guys can do whatever they want with their networks the so far. They haven't done things that are super consumer front. Philosophically this is -- this argument is similar to the 1015 year old argument about taxing Internet. By keeping it wide open and we let a million flowers bloom we let global balloon. Google would not have been possible on -- regulated Internet and now that there in this position they're saying you know little. Hearing of access that because we can afford it would be okay because -- -- maintain our our dominance. Yet there is no question impact some people are taking it. There's certain writers out there who were basically just like -- well. That they have you know that there is only consumer Dow on the river and -- that they don't back. As opposed to do no evil I've been thinking that -- like Google -- only evil and you know. That's drop -- c'mon people but there's no question that. What Google is saying as a result of this this agreement with Brendan is like you know what we're willing to let wireless -- all of the things that we think should not happen -- wired right. In -- whatever they want and we're willing to pay more for YouTube to get. Priority delivery and wireless network let. Just -- no itself reflection of how corporations for example like. Kind of how iTunes ran wild and it now a companies once they see something be success because of -- I actually I it is and a good example something that's unfettered but. Now that they saw they could -- -- yeah let's let's throw that away but. Now that they see -- the Internet was wide open but what in wireless space we can make incremental dollars each way. They don't want they obviously the money makers who are who are -- these things don't want the same thing it's really happened to the wireless networks as. What happened with the unfettered wired Internet probably comes out -- dollars during -- -- I guess. I just hope that this whole transparency thing which is the one thing that -- take -- that is really really good you know yeah okay we're gonna screw you. -- what we're gonna do it in the open. And again is basically what that's -- thing. News about that is just basically a letter into the government from two companies and so hopefully we are not yet have a point where these companies can really just openly and lately difficulty with -- -- -- -- -- We're still here we're -- consumers take the time to read it and write your congress people and write to the FCC there's at least one FCC commissioner already -- right now on I'm. But this is time to -- -- consumer purse and stop letting companies with overly vested interest and a black in fact conflicts of interest dictate the policy that would affect me -- him. Although I do appreciate Google and Verizon actually writing -- the letting us know where they stand and opening the dialogue and having it come. From business even if we don't agree at least we know it extent they've shown their cards -- -- somehow -- some of them anyway yeah and now we can play the game yeah absolutely. We're gonna take a quick break when we come back we've got a little -- are on -- the awesome ongoing scandal that is Mark -- resignation and also big news is on blackberries and iphones in Germany. Though you think. You in Australia I have once again I raise my objection that's everybody knows the covering the story at all. The -- disclosed -- little Italy how do Deseret hate. To read and write off -- Thanks tawdry crap like -- let that's gonna look funny story ever are okay you know this -- is this he went Larry analysts. Larry Ellison he of the unimpeachable moral values that. Has -- stepped in to denounce HP's board of directors for forcing the resignation of mark -- Over. Ethics violations which is what ultimately boil down to this sexual harassment inquiry and then. Violations and he said. Quotes the HP board just made the worst personnel decisions and idiots on the Apple board hired Steve Jobs many years ago that -- nearly destroyed Apple. And would have it Steve hadn't come back and -- them it's he's absolutely right but. For all the people to say it. It's the funniest -- it's a really good point what he says -- losing marker the HP board failed to act in the best interest to meet these employees shareholders customers and partners to kind of what we were thing yesterday. These people are admits that it finally investigated sexual harassment and -- mark and I'm utterly false. HBO is in the very difficult position of having a giant -- You know rock -- over their head they make they could -- -- the age of all the companies to have. And as CEO who was padding expense reports. HP has to have zero tolerance policy. Yeah maybe. I mean any other company may be able to get away with it but not a -- as a whole pretext then they were just set up to fail they're set up -- they were set up to put their CEOs. They had to be gods and there's no -- there's nobody with -- gonna fail. Yeah it -- it's interesting also there's a report that says that HP. HP's board of directors sought the advice of a public relations firm. And and asked them how best to grapple with -- these allegations and it may be that that PR firms of them might look. You can't take another hit. No I'm not sure they couldn't an outlet -- -- -- -- come out actually some I mean to be honest that that that she said that. And again this is totally the jaded -- -- is not like morally upstanding game play that they -- viewpoint is. I think she he -- settled with the woman and they did an investigation and found nothing hidden. There's no reason anything else would have come out except that they apparently have a super leaky ships right so so that -- -- -- about a little corporate white light it could've been brushed under the carpet and perhaps yeah which actually I didn't favor of that at all surprised that it didn't -- -- -- -- -- -- -- business -- -- so yes exactly. So if you -- turn there is you know the sexual harassment case found you know found evidence that there was anything like that happening. The they have some sort of relationship that he -- want to keep -- that's why he -- Now double that comes down to analyses -- -- -- no money get -- right now that's the most confusing relationship dumber when you say there's a subtle you know there's a settlement -- like than something that ray. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- they're totally gone downhill because everything about them than scrap heap of a number of people who've written to get the rescue about a few laptops including Europe you yeah here's a few few problems it into -- -- few few problems -- yeah. And the customers the -- problem. An update on -- across the world Saudi Arabia has now allowed rim to continue Blackberry messaging services while asking originating -- The Canadian company put in place a system that -- -- the -- monitor user data. This is. This is a little weird because. It sounds like they're in the middle of negotiations right now. And Canada are rim is saying additive to them well let's let's talk about -- -- got there somewhere we can give you what you want yet but. Which implies that they have given that other countries as well that. This vaunted Blackberry security that I was talking about previously and it hasn't been cracked or broken -- and nobody is -- into it. -- -- -- will actually do it for governments that ask nicely are given enough money. -- art turn -- off right yeah I mean it was definitely some big brinksmanship and and it appears that worked -- it certainly is a hole in. In black -- reputation a little bit like it's. It may be that they've what they found is that having the Blackberry server which was always kind of the central -- -- -- of their service. It was not sustainable because companies wired countries want more and more control in -- -- -- on those countries soil content I don't like the way this is going after thing. Yet now it's not awesome I mean I would not want to -- to Saudi Arabia with my Blackberry I thought you know there's nothing to Saudi Arabia I don't like that. You or this is going with people who run messaging services being under the control of countries saying you have to give us looks into this it's pitting. Companies against. -- -- -- What sorts services sororities but that's sort -- -- here in wave that I just don't this is gonna be for a couple years it's gonna be very interesting and and very weird as. Global networks are fighting with countries or who has control of snooping that it well. And the reason that's an -- monitors that are a bit with my Blackberry and I don't wanna go to any country that wants to spend my day what you within one that he added -- subtler. Yeah faster nicer -- Germany it is. Actually speaking of Blackberry has advised -- ministers not his Blackberry and iPhone devices due to -- dramatic increase in attacks against its networks. And they are considering an astonishing a general ban. On the use of Smartphones in certain Jim German ministry -- Smartphone. Because. -- -- Twitter about. Just Germany have any mobile phone companies that make devices oh yes they do some code to gadgets offered by -- systems. Meet that German. This -- requirements for non hack ability mention that. -- I'm -- -- yes but there's no I mean we've been favor we've been saying for years that Smartphones were going to be the next security battleground and they are I mean they are they are. In many cases insecure devices that people carry around and we we've had this conversation a -- -- times about how much you know should. -- companies to find out how much data is being stored on individual's personal mark on. They would be horrified and those phones often don't even have you know a scream yes. Don't tell us don't tell -- people know you could. But I suspect you're gonna see this kind of thing continue. Have have linked the intensity ramp up because of the big -- South Korea South Korean police speaking of big deal. -- raided the offices of Google Korea as part of an investigation into whether the company had illegally collected and stored personal wireless data that. -- -- -- -- -- -- I'm not yeah knocked Illinois -- even after it was at the UK or Germany who found that an -- Australian. Some anyway one of these countries -- that there was nothing there has been in that data that -- that Google collected by accident there wasn't anything really useful South Korea didn't believe it. And they rated and now rating of Google office what does that get -- the servers aren't there. Would they put -- yeah physically and as a threat. Yeah well what go to Google that is our poultry at a rate when -- -- be local word they -- -- mapping. Probably great product data centers -- -- -- for Google period -- -- now that Google did say in response to this raid we will cooperate cooperate with the investigation and answer any questions they have so there are still like okay we were wrong we shouldn't let the you want information we'll happily give it to you don't wanna -- -- company you don't need to wear on where we're we will help we want this story to go away we will help you in anyway possible. Analysts look authentic -- a big Verizon -- physically -- boy genius report. -- -- reportedly gifted with basically the entire road map. That her -- and -- -- -- through like like 2012. And it is it's the kind of thing that is paralyzing if you're attempting to purchase a new phone -- -- Among other things that -- that there'll be immune draw item -- -- pro. Which will have a one point three gigahertz EPO and global roaming so not to CD Amanda uncertainty of memory -- compatibility that looked like fighting dollars a minute. LTE because what they said is. That they also the roadmap included their plans to roll out. LT they have to cover 75% in the United States but the party tech by April went -- which if they pulled that's a lot pretty than the Verizon road map of north on on -- while. At least -- -- any any changes -- and. More long long just one thing that's all it would include Motorola a ten inch tablet 11 or one point three acres to view front facing camera and Android three point -- -- they're -- hot launch. Late in there -- the end of the year or early next somebody Salt -- Verizon. We'll never have a clip few days he won any of these devices as -- for two years. And you don't do anything. In the meantime head that way absolutely it's. How long can thank you -- going to pencil -- and I did it like a massage and a facial lines had -- -- -- leaking this information helps nobody does -- help consumers know it wants to know the cool crap that's coming out in two years and years and years is you can get a phone on contract and I worry about it. -- fair game so yeah hey that's true I'm gonna -- again the tablet is exciting go into income and interesting non and you say hey ray finally has Netflix just in time I'm -- -- happy about this and so -- Which is that paper view service has a deal with some of the major studios. And what they're doing with Netflix is giving that -- to Netflix so they're closing the window of when the videos constraint so instead of waiting. You know a year for whatever movie is it just comes out the windows going to be going down to off. In many cases -- ninety days now there's really boosts Netflix is library of on demand you know streaming content which still needs some help any oh god everyone everyone will say that. And for epics is a joint venture between three studios of Viacom and -- and Lionsgate -- a there's a lot of films and I got help bolster that libraries that's that's good stuff. Netflix has district nine and -- -- But -- now I think now -- -- I'm I'm I'm I'm on the trial period now which is one month free I can cancel and honesty movies for free net. And anyway content that's. It's good it's it's very -- that's -- Netflix is good for streaming it's good for people who want it killer cable boxes and don't want dvds with -- I hope it's not one of those. Additional services the Google and rising talking about Netflix is one of the biggest hustlers and -- in the temporal and oh yeah I swear every few weeks you hear some new deal -- -- Whether it's on hardware or -- movies are sellers so savvy they did they and they are finally figuring out -- I mean -- have figured out streaming based on that train comin' up right on it but they're finally -- to make it deals that are -- this one apparently the movies will begin streaming on September 1. So really zoom and include movies from Paramount Lionsgate and M you know that when you know when they figure this out when they named the companies that -- -- dvd flicks they called Netflix. And this thing and -- nice. Remember that thing we talked about the other day about Google buying. Little clock -- is to spy on your swimming pools well the Google says. It was just the purchase by a Google executive with an interest in robotics for personal use. Are all the dogs mounted cameras and like -- -- not if you could afford it wouldn't view. No telling how absolutely. Justified around and be like a little commander -- and now it was a I think I have a thing of all right without it is ever I'm not -- -- -- Aren't being absolutely that is probably true until he comes up with a really good related against that I had -- -- that timing Google like super smart. The beginning. Google science guy what ever. And then finally today. That -- -- little plan we are greeted here with possibly the funniest name ever. Microsoft's product growth. Are busy working on a way to add physical keys to the back. Of slate and tablet. Calling it -- type. Now what is -- gallon a movie called never mind anyway. Yet it'll it's that's going on -- -- Not gonna. We we we kill the story from a line at the other day about some some company that with doing a -- with the reader touch screen the good. We'll look from behind and now the of their living keys on the back but to do you -- port there and I had totally forgotten that Apple has a patent we talked about it when them when they first were granted they have a patent war. Like some interface that the touch interface on the back of it I mean you'd be holding -- -- -- it would take a do you think about it that. Could work it only makes a lot of sense that they have the patent for the touch interface on the back and Microsoft has the patent for the one with all lot of that is -- yeah. Today areas except -- -- I know but does not make it now malaria does -- this is a prototype you don't wanna see because they're villains like almighty god that is disgusting -- -- steam punk and I get you can -- -- -- awesome. I don't know -- this. There alone you can only hold -- one way that's the thing about that I I was just you know. -- Atlanta Atlanta Atlanta every ability to it like this -- -- it it makes tons of sense because it. He and we changed the -- -- -- because I'm I'm I'm gonna probably -- it now it would be more than it makes sense actually because if you're holding it like it is hard. If you're holding a ten inch tablet like this it's hard to figure out how to -- Okay now I need to start acting like error. And then you patriotic I added on everything -- -- that. Well it's like I've said that it has -- -- to -- it has no wrong with them with this there's only one way to halt -- it. The ability -- Clinton did what I am not -- I don't think there's. A field -- feel like he's behind their the other because -- he's the bloated tablet it's so good. I -- overhead shot here I -- listening from this discussion but. And if you're so I mean it really should save ourselves -- the little boy -- -- completely aids. I'll Robert calls with -- some thoughts on marker. -- this is. -- is Robert from Belmont California. It's gonna give some feedback on the -- scandal. After having worked for three large companies over my career. It's really not surprising -- thank you really. Heartening to see -- ousted -- for ethics violations. I think you -- of that corporate scandals that have gone on recently. Even if it was a minor thing. I suspected they take a hard line on it I think is is really a positive side of the positive. Help Wentworth and then. Thank you corporate -- chronic back it was hilarious so I missed the -- just beyond -- and take care. Ever written. I. -- yeah I mean -- on its Alec I am pro. Sweeping things under the right it and jaded about how business works well when you add insult -- -- -- comments of -- it's just that and partly that's. That's not the way to market working there -- there -- shareholder responsibly. You. Yeah in me the market is a little bit more forgiving I mean it to ask people to be ethically perfectly is there is nobody like -- there's no company that is ethically perfect -- But. Of course where you draw the line is really difficult that he give a little give -- a little and all this on the slippery slope and if that -- though I don't -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Right and says just read this article on cnet.com is running what is going on with HP. First the CEO exit that now -- Gilman is departing piano it's typical for people to leave after mergers. Or -- banana palm lover and hate to see an awesome product manager witnesses Peter -- is the product manager right in the product development for the pre. -- and he says I rock and pop trio for years loved it when the Palm Pre first went to sprint I had to go the way of the -- But it seemed like palm had a chance -- survival needs -- it came -- and now everyone is jumping ship. Well that's gonna happen is but it does make you wonder why it suggest that they're probably not really investing around. Also hardware I mean there are they really gonna. Were -- good looking meg getting palm for. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Is in a little -- of the curve understand. Yeah I mean it doesn't really they don't have much of -- design problem actually making really lovely. Machines right some of their their industrial design is pretty good morning imagine that this Catholic -- ago work -- -- and I think the big buck that's her. That it seemed like about palm for the web you know do some really cool and for products yet and HD you're right eight feet more has that actually their -- they're you know they have -- Real thought being put into things like printers believe it or not -- from -- -- manufacture yet exactly it's like it looked at inventive -- and hit -- and. -- -- -- It is time for the Blackberry messenger question of the day if you bought your own copter -- For personal use he said what that personal used to beat. Then the comment via Blackberry messenger -- pianist -- 23 season -- -- five. And growth in mind that written down can you instantly forgot that at her blog VO well Latina dot -- -- links to everything we talked about today. You can email us that buzz at cnet.com -- 106166. Create and you can follow us on Twitter. I am Molly Wood. You -- if you watch the video version humans generally knew -- got -- -- at your Twitter and welcome my. 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