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Hello welcome to dials and cnet's south on podcast did today is -- September 8 different lists of raids now Wednesday and I am here with I'm Kent German senior editor and I'm here in the San Cisco studio with. Nicole Lee. Jason how Altman hello bunny is. Joy -- joining us he would end from New York -- -- two tin cans and a string. -- something like that -- we have some more problems with the with the Skype so she's hooked up with the phones and hello Bonnie. And -- Made you know I'll give you Bosnia and I think the string has been cut it's -- -- -- the string. But what -- -- -- things. However what happened. Reported use that -- medicine at. Hi -- Yes yeah didn't. And yes folks we -- technically -- Believe it knows alleviated. Have bodies showing its generic Jessica darkroom is sought to court is still out sick and she was gonna join us today by we -- patch and an -- -- -- We offer what we do that two people found so. I see it sitting out -- and she will be back next week's and we welcome her back -- -- -- -- Cisco are crazy in columns. -- -- -- So we are looking for an avenue back died. Not a lot talk about today this -- that labored -- kicks -- are really busy season as far as new phone introductions and there are couple of big things this week. Ours is found benevolent -- actually said it will read through -- -- company's first. The first thing is that -- forward to this remote I was course has introduced last week during Apple's music meant. And the very beginning before they got to the iPods. And this is a new operating system for the iPhone into the iPod Touch. And it offers. Among other things it finally gets -- -- online so I'm not rated so we will be looking at that a little later. It adds. Your ability to you I take high dynamic range photos from -- incidences. That takes it takes three photos it takes one. Takes it takes a photo just a regular exposure minute under exposed is an overexposed and combines all of those shots -- -- one photos that supposed to get you sort of the perfect shot. And then it saves the original photo that the normal shot and your -- -- high dynamic range photos in your photo gallery. I've tested it out a little bit and we have perfect they -- -- actually attempts because -- -- -- party. It's -- and that is you're taking photos and lightly that -- attempts to block the photos mr. Simmons and rates are right so -- actually seem to do pretty well. I you can now get support for T each rentals TV show rentals on iTunes you can upload HT videos to YouTube. Hands mobile me via Wi-Fi -- I mean you couldn't. -- previously. And we looking -- if you bug fixes for the proximity sensor and his apartment in the last week. There it actually covered that is. Some direction having problems for the -- was hanging accidentally so be -- -- -- And have Bluetooth connectivity. IPhone for iPhone three G -- -- -- if you uploaded or if you downloaded the IOS for. Those continent found around really really slows so they hopefully fix that. So yeah not a huge deal but you know couple things here in there and typically of an you know an iPhone or easement for -- and if you downloaded it. No I it's -- it came on after antenna for work okay. The book but it about -- does improve performance on older iphones. Yes -- that's dead yeah actually our three G that I used to have for CNET. When we got that from -- we switched over its announcement longer -- accurately. I'm demonstrated properly the will be investigated again. But that's out today such an iPhone program. -- and it's -- and actually it's free for iPod Touch users. That's nice is you -- before it had before actually. We have a couple things over an injury to area. Verizon's dual mode HTC slider was leaked by the FCC last week. Ann and Scott. Webster was -- good enough to appointments from hundred or so. -- have you heard much about this device. Now if if I forget the -- named they had that I know. You know people aren't anxious for a dual mode. -- -- device from Verizon and so now. It's a dual mode of course means GSM MC image so you'll be able to. Use Verizon CMA network here in the states and then when -- leave. You go to Europe we're gonna have Seaman yeah and other countries and it's the heat in which sounds -- As a nice touch. Always have some real simple photos from the FCC certification process. And I guess the code word -- announced colonists to documents that PD four to one there -- for. 2100. Everyone just. And promises EV DO rev three G Wi-Fi and that dual mode. And it -- good to see -- dual -- foods can now. Yeah yeah I it is and because it ended -- couple things that are built and of them you. Before me how these phones Verizon is it goes -- certain roaming partners overseas. -- you have to use -- during partners other Frankfurt. Seem to think that one either later dual mode phones. I mean critically even notice that actually was unlocked the GSM telephony began -- -- -- unlocked via a so that's gonna density than you can go overseas you can pop and you know whatever sim card you want when we've seen earlier -- have -- honest. It actually included sim cards -- this is good. Verizon is also starting to tease -- and actually spike and running nonstop and past three days so yeah hourly daily and -- with. So many commercials and I tried watching and it just -- painful because you go -- like and its and then I edit the commercials five minutes -- -- and anyway. This was release -- landings Twitter accounts. Hands. It. Is basically -- -- you buy -- you know it. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- really -- how these tools in mystic. The because -- holograms again and they -- this. It -- to turn on the phone you're my only hope for thinking hey yeah exactly it it it. Our academic yeah yeah yeah and -- -- but so we don't -- much much -- -- and -- accident -- a little blue a little. -- -- -- -- Star Wars to avoid things that -- that there's some truth and -- the -- that race and each is going -- it is is doing this by. And I think that's one of the things that probably not worth really in the senate over the side. Yeah I mean I I I -- -- -- love it. And yet decided -- any other way around this exact date -- -- be excited that. You know yet it can have the Stanley themes and then. Safra system -- So that's coming actually that is we don't know much about availability. It'll be this balance -- it is yet September 30. -- So now the -- -- didn't. Verizon. It's become a present again. They have announced new prepaid data it's. Yes so Verizon announced unless there's data -- -- they paying you PP data plans for Smartphones and feature phones. He VT PP in a package is thirty dollars a month and edit that's not when users. And ten dollars a month for a tiny five gigabytes of data for -- food music yes you'd be. He cents per megabyte we'll -- that limit. And this prepaid data plan is that is eligible for all of Verizon's Android Smartphones as one of the palm the Palm smartphones. The and in recent have a blackberries. Other little feature phones includes at that and he touched in 83 -- with -- -- all those very high end. Feature phones on Verizon's lineup and this is -- prepaid in a packet so unit is as. After you'd need to -- extra for the voice and four. Everything else and you you should people press with -- phone to remember with this is a PP constitution there. But if you wanna go. Yeah but -- is great they're doing means just because. They had made it a problem previously for prepaid users to really get on data yeah -- had to get contracts so forth and yeah I I mean this seems like a no brainer to me because it's just. I went to -- make -- which. I think they're gonna tell now why do I -- -- -- -- -- that opportunity down Santo. And there's Salman -- so much room for some time ago accidentally and so of course would be movement yet. I'm but -- yeah I'd it's -- you know community at this thing it's listeners. The LC on core is a new phone that's available or -- -- Yet official announcement about the phone that we sign on the eighteenth you're at saint there and I think they can -- -- -- there was almost an announcement -- -- -- the PD. Simple -- you -- you run it run of the mill allergy -- -- -- -- quad band GSM you know that passed me a phenomena where it. It is to it just EPA's DG. The key to balancing advocate that's a camera of its 4999 avenue to -- this agreement so again on -- those so grown very normal. -- -- -- and -- he nothing really special but you know I wanna ask you and this. That's good so that's. Bad news if they had he he found out about just as they had just but I don't have Sayyaf. Coincidental sneaky and it did it. And moving on we have. And Damascus -- -- -- -- way in his could bringing as could bring the ideas. Two. T-Mobile and this is there and this is always new. Andrea found -- little low winds and got what's -- we're -- yesterday and The Wall Street Journal -- that. Always we negotiate with the four smart major carriers to crack the Smartphone market in the US -- it does have a few phones that are out for. I panicked and it's MetroPCS them they do that T-Mobile -- -- -- the T-Mobile tap and yet you know -- time. And -- I was just -- he'd be he'd like to see this device T-Mobile because users who's telling Dotson is not a friendly who. In earth like Android -- a little scared of some of the Smartphone aspects most certainly Smartphone its lower end sort of entry level Smartphones so implement it could step for the wrong way. Where for -- mobile. We don't know when exactly it will come by it and we don't really know for sure -- it's coming -- moment but I think that's probably yes. -- -- -- deceived Android platforms and on in this -- and I know that a -- expect to use and proposed that knowing that it's an Android phone. It isn't all it's -- donates. Each piece he he -- no -- -- It already know about and trite as -- branding crusade that is introduced into -- -- spent all the difference that's. Oh absolutely yeah yeah I -- it is pretty -- and then. -- gets people and it gets people and the operating -- -- and think before you as prices it's if prices to be area percent he -- that 199 and yet you are gonna benefit. It's if it it's it's it's it gets lower than in Kuwait and to do it. And and Jessica had wanted to talk about a new feature that is putting Starbucks card your Blackberry. And what this does is. This is a it's an app for Blackberry and you can associate with Starbucks card so you can. Interests by a bar code on the screen and make scam that can just in the stock from your service cards like it -- -- -- whatever. Cool again then yeah -- you know this whole system and -- actually done something. It seemed earlier a couple weeks ago -- about mr. mobile payment and talking about that market and -- In it is something -- quite common outside the last that he and really Japan used it selflessness to. Yeah -- -- -- -- -- who has scanners and yeah I think that it isn't so this is this is. It is coming -- -- isn't changes but it lets people do this I mean I you know I'm. I -- I guess about starts part of -- I think it it's I guess from it's not out of this thing I. It's not one of those things like okay this would save me that much time share you know I mean yeah I I but I don't think it's a bad thing. I love this in Dallas an app for our public transit mean if you could put a public transit pass and and they'll be so often -- -- Which are metro card and you -- -- -- you know and so. Yeah this is coming -- and -- -- now it's becoming. And the bunny was -- and and he's gonna talk about me -- okay. -- -- you have a couple -- that I know you have an a couple of big refused to talk about so I do Indians. So we'll get to those reviews in just a moment. Welcome back. The first -- first only wanna talk about violence talk about is. It's Samsung fascinates. This is just fine on galaxy S tonight that's coming and it conforming to carry -- -- with Verizon my parents. And you know it's. Very similar to the other devices as far as this it -- -- -- the one gigahertz process fair and also support and media hub when it's launched. Later this fall hopefully. Play as far as design it's very similar to the -- -- -- It's panic attack clean free to sign it doesn't have that little curve in the back and I think it feels a little more solid. -- -- -- -- -- Yeah yeah definitely you know it's not I mean it's not particularly flashy but I think it's a clean. Design in my opinion. You know has them Verizon phone it's obviously -- -- -- right and -- on in me speaking navigator and V cast he and music. One thing that -- -- a lot of people and they can get very has is that. Microsoft and at Verizon have partnership though being is that default search engine on the phone. Any. Eighteen we can't -- it's now you actually have to go. Apple launched a web browser and then go to Google not content actually content management so I think. People are -- -- that you're locked down to this. It's however the story might be developed being and may have some additional and meet -- -- that for rain now it seems that locked down. Yeah yeah. And that's that that's a financially thing I think -- developing about Android is. Yeah it's well you can take the device you can do -- we want you can -- and it's attractively can. So it really what Verizon is doing here is if they're taking -- -- change and how they want but. I see why people so sad because it is that there are shutting out such a huge part of Android which is Google elements of their actually. Taken and doing what they want -- their actual document down. It's isn't -- sort of thing what's going on. Being as surprising I mean and just how they're just -- -- getting -- everybody every you have a yeah I. You know it's yeah. But yeah I think having this thing to me that there isn't. There are many people by the Google phone is he'd get Google via -- it says the justice. Then that being of it and then -- have been not be there at the people such as. -- look at finding at this. And that you to go union wants the browser Ryan yes and I Agassi's. You should really have it's a really good choice. When -- is about and that's that's -- that's not what. It's not happening here and and it seemed I think it's that first -- model from Verizon but then it. Now. The -- Asked him and not editing about the -- you know I think. From rise -- out of all the carriers probably has the strongest Android -- up. -- you know if they literally -- action. That intimidate and I think. Because if the user interface make you guys were talking about it it's not that standard. Injury you lie and I think it it makes it a little easier for people who are coming from feature phones -- -- Pretty brand new knee injury I think it's a little more -- -- -- Texas thinner and so I think if year and in that boat the fascinate. Might be good choice whereas if he you've used injured before. -- you know -- -- hearing. The jury acts hereditary to my. Be a better choice now. You know -- it -- theaters and yeah anchors and -- kind of figured out out you know because -- a do -- think they have a pretty strong lineup -- -- I it's connecting to -- a little more consumer friendly in that. I because of multimedia features -- immediately and he said. Yeah I wanna do -- particularly if unit uses. Yeah itself again in India did this have -- that. But it is available. -- is any. Yes yes so it's available on buying today and then it'll be in stores tomorrow Ford 200 dollars -- contact. And -- we now do we know if that's the -- -- responsibly coming into this monitor characters yet here. He has US cellular look at one in the font asthma and US our cellular south. Just called Alex yes something isn't from the athletic crying and -- Right now I don't know if they'll change it up when it you know -- closer airlines. Now they're just calling it yes. Can you say if you have a favorite you know access yeah. And there. It thought I mean that. And it's it -- my least favorite disk because the form factor and because. Eighteen he has even more restrictions on their phones you can't silently yeah right exactly. I do like the piper and I and and like the fascinate. -- Design -- that the like solid and I think a definite the act it for a year yeah let's have to keep I'd keep my what's really limiting -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Yes yes. United romantic -- Regina and it has support in Arlington and the -- -- -- -- bunny also had an adequate with the -- area and buy it but it I don't know I don't know if -- this is a good thing. -- -- I basically don't understand my -- eighteenth he releases. While back custody is a -- that it. It's. It's shipping renting injury one point five and even words and tell us as they -- out a lot of the -- that you don't get it dedicated team now act. Yeah what they gave slap their own custom you ran it and game and they kind of took away -- delta. Yet they'll definitely took away the whole. Injury explains it doesn't even feel like an entry on what's the point. Good question. It and and they tip and you know how that unclaimed refunds have years standards for cookies the they've relocated those -- the -- -- -- -- There was on -- side you get one that. -- -- -- back button and then you have to -- -- -- press to get back home for. And then on the right side you have one that access the menu button but there's no dedicated -- -- so it's I mean. It's the most for shooting experience. Using this phone minutes ago and I did everything -- -- appointment phone. And just for their first introduction in the market yet it's important that they can I don't know just got my stuff together. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Yes I cannot recommend. It I would -- It's available through Dell and now for -- hundred dollars but I would say. And maybe three guys more and get the aria or even the Palm Pre plus there on their iPhone to India insists this is not worth it. Yeah. I'm an it and from what I've been seen and others yours yours. Yeah now it's not alone and -- -- But people really buy it whether they don't care. What what was I -- edgy. Completely new and yeah -- the hundred dollar price tag and. Yeah any you know I guess that's one of the practice yeah then. Move -- so. That that's your public service announcement -- today by the you know Arab Aaron could keep it in -- -- -- That's that Jessica wanted took a look at the Samsung seek which is the I exit boost mobile version the sprint phone which. Which Nicole looked at on the -- Monica oh man it's as basically the same thing it's -- -- for those marbles. -- boost mobile service and I don't actually have the rate -- here. -- couple changes here and but basically -- model courses that Sprint's prepaid service that it's their subsidiary. Hands. They have city -- and I'd impose right now. But she it got the same -- so it is -- stars. And she likes the so that's stream excited keyword. Subscription based navigation and -- -- features that at the touch screen is a little small. And -- little cramped implements found a little smokes and -- thousand slow connection speed making went. So. So that is the Samsung and -- You use their. Eyes. For it -- -- -- 4999. And that's of course with unlimited plan with a contract and so. That's a pretty decent price and and then a -- -- read the Motorola charm. Yes the Motorola charm is an Android Smartphone to think about it -- sign -- person. You might use in messaging -- something because it does have a very small screen two point eight inch. Because of a full quality keyboard. Respond compact pretty square looking design and -- It has he had it is in the -- so that's one thing in -- the unions has in little. Backtracked. Backtracked. Anand tech -- the back similar to the Motorola back flip. So you can use the touch screen or you can use the back -- -- this case scenario could sit at version eight instead. Say that ten times. As -- doctrine but I think even in the UDP is the -- -- on the speed and -- really understand why you want. Both because I don't think -- needs the backtracked beauty and it works on the eat it it it works -- as advertised. I just don't understand why you would want it and I'm Bonnie need to find -- useful in the back let. Now I did and I mean I know Motorola's whole argument for as well it frees up the screen they can see your photos without your finger getting -- brain. That's not a big deal yeah so I think yeah I. I can't understand that just because the skiing on this Motorola China is so small as -- me too much engine so the idea that you can use the backtracked of the apps being realistic as -- Surfing around. But accused bunny can -- -- you -- -- -- away and if I'm not that big a deal. You know I found -- -- it's not a matter you know just can be -- comptroller. It's it's I have to say it -- still a little bit awkward at first and using the back to just because you can't see your finger. Do like I don't know it green left wing right -- just it's just it's just it's an addictive used to. As for the EU -- this is modeled learn a -- is the new one album which is not at cluttered and -- -- But because a -- is still small it feels clinic anyway. Philip EC argue that Twitter up these in the FaceBook being this is just callers too much of that mr. -- display. It does the correspondence. This is just very wrong. And yet they are -- that the -- a bit of mortal blow you can resize the geeky resize the widgets you can meet them -- in -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- But because the -- is so small there's not much in tune besides no question to rearrange them. So it comes with those of the that the windows habit pattern sort of -- -- I -- they say you can. They say you can customize your sort of hem them and the latest -- -- exactly so I think. -- something of this size if something of this sort of a small screen size I think and you know he'd better off with stop and you lie in this case I would just remove all the model blurred by if if if -- said. I did actually eventually. Like the decent -- starter Smartphones and say you know you have an a two point one of -- great. Get a full html browser with flash -- it Wi-Fi a three -- keep it all of the -- I'm -- think of the good and things and Sony Sony five dollars. -- which is a very. Very good deal very affordable price for an Android Smartphone and my mind big -- might -- a problem with that. I didn't see the point of the backtracked and them. The ski lift it just makes -- -- not very useful at -- Satellites and it's okay let's GP concerned T yeah -- see if he's. Okay that's Motorola's term in we get a few things coming -- we have does ETE salutes which is found that. Jessica tracked down a -- Not her fault but it took you took -- to get that -- to actually get it working and the first when -- center actually listen to it so. Had to get that and but that is ET's first. -- for a major carrier that had those MetroPCS before. The -- looking at LG GS 170. -- it's the third. -- third in the -- series for team. Because it was that the -- in the sense you know via. -- a pretty -- name compared tip yeah exactly it TS one certificate. He worked for the federal government P&G -- farm GS one Sunday. And I looked at it does not not really as -- -- the delight. No no no -- really. So that's the that is the algae GS -- -- -- and then calling are also looking at the BlackBerry Curve three G yet -- that very current but this piece he mobile PG and export it. -- So you -- a few things coming out and actually and just about a month we actually have the policy can show coming up to its that's your answer Cisco for the last time see -- is not happy that sentence goes past tomorrow. Mandating that cell phone radiation numbers it posted at point of sale so there. Taken their borrowing going home and -- -- its total. -- in future shows from San Francisco so in the future -- -- dollars a person. But that's happening in about a month them. Eight point is such a decision is my thinks look but to lots of new phone reviews in -- own announcements in the next couple months yeah. Anybody have -- Mean -- As a sort excitement and it apart -- Am I am a Christian from Maurice and he says I -- a long time as -- customer and I like LG phones. That's been does not seem to have good enough LG phones and -- -- and speak with that to deliver elegy for the malevolent the HTT evil -- -- great X. What. It does have a lot of elegy it does not Smartphones and I think you don't you aren't smart -- -- -- remark. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- But you know most of the Smartphones and we -- elegy Allen county them in the -- instead eighteenth -- so. As far as Smartphones still you'll get aspirin but there aren't any act allowed of these Smartphones in the -- -- in the US and so that's coming -- that downside their. Yeah I don't really know of any -- -- I think they're going to spit in the moment but you know speed -- and of naked and right it is something which he. For one minute and -- think -- that needed the Motorola and one's one. So you even out and upside is she -- -- him -- my GeForce been Islam also I think and keep those attempts. Well hopefully yeah hopefully we are looking for so cute -- -- -- a salute him give us a few more and Smartphones and you yeah yeah. Yeah I mean they've promised -- they just don't. NASA and make it over to the stage yeah I think and it isn't Windows 7 coming up analogy I have not yet. So. Anything obstacle. Six because -- -- I've got one from Paul from West Palm Beach, Florida and he switching from sprint to eighteen he. You're wondering what Smartphones he should get and he doesn't wanna get the Tivo or her that epic -- -- because he doesn't happen for Jean area and that's when a paid the ten dollars so. -- yet that Samsung intercept the moment and HTC hero. And wonders which when we would recommend it and if there any future Smartphones -- -- its brand and I can talk about the moment and HTC hero. You call me if you looked at and accept very yet -- -- content about talent that and I'd be hesitant to get the moment and HTC hero their older models. And I think there -- -- of on that last leg and -- are gonna stop but that's so. You know the holiday season is only that the the price is coming in Philly and wait and would wait to see what comes out for the holiday season. -- in a sad but am I found it a little bit sluggish at plains zone may be yes that lupus for any of you violence. Which it's open. Anything else find that -- -- I have a couple things one from but only. And wanted to know what's going and what we think about video chats and when you guys think spam it's because -- team and courts to the recent four. I mean. Try to use the iPhone and Nokia 73 to seems useless -- disinterested and I -- some video chatting and I think. I'd definitely use their phone for face time. But it's something I've used to say hey look at this is -- -- But NN. A novelty and like when my parents came -- -- this -- -- time and then used you know to show my referendum and I just use it for the first time just use that so. I can definitely see this having use for some people like. People who you know parents away from their kids or you know your wife and you work in opposite cities for a month I mean I can actually see. How some people would use that but I don't. Tim I don't I Canon imagine myself using it just as a regular conversation you know I'm calling -- different medium for dinner tonight in my -- plans. I don't see it in that case by I don't know. Think a lot of phone calls with. And it's in the -- test situation you can on the phone while you're driving while you're walking on the street while -- Lot of other things while you're talking on the phone. Still lit the face time with any begin calling situation at this -- what are you doing well format that. The very conscious. Very deliberate way of talking to someone else and then -- it's it's it's a very people -- like communicating anything. You know I can see institution where it says -- -- -- you block collect thirty minutes -- Sunday -- -- and -- you wipe across the country. But whatever it is but -- that we -- very situation all sort of thing I think. Yeah. -- -- And I know I mean I think by my perspective right now is very. Family focus yeah because otherwise reliability and actually Ryan yeah no absolutely I I would totally series of for this but not in a every day -- -- -- -- -- I was going away traveling. This to be great I see it -- kind of the a instead of bringing a webcam that I then have to look at my computer -- -- -- at home on -- chip. I just happen in my thoughts and it's almost like an extra -- that's all it really needs to be you know I mean yeah not a replacement for phone call by this. It's not any Nachman technology and all I think Apple's ended with -- but I just. And yeah it's an especially. The thing is is one announced that it uses you do have to step on them because militants allegedly going like this and if you aren't you tired -- -- and I know I. I notice it's a weird thing -- but yeah. That's I just think that went off -- -- sorry. State is. Only the fun yes I was holding. Sorry Vietnam. Anyway. I. Yeah I just that's what I think so I don't know -- everything to -- denying and I agree with everything you -- and mean. I've I've occasionally -- -- since moving New York just to keep in touch with my friends you know insists he you know and are all having kids and it's funny to see them that I mean every day -- days I don't need it I -- Actually running I -- use it for is we just -- the bathroom and trying to show somebody what it looked like. And I was able to share that with it so that was comic by the fifth and very specific situation very specific. -- and then wanted to read this one -- -- -- for this one before I don't think we from Gustavo who's actually we -- so. Who is writing about the Motorola and he's using the text which that's the click. Yes subsequent. And as we reported few times. That they are not Motorola's on updating those phones they've pushed it up quite a few times and he's very upset because system point five. And -- of course getting in the way of one point six and 2.0 and two point -- into going to lose out. He'd ever have a question by just one of defense's frustration and says -- hope that you can requirements story received more roasters suspect -- their customers. IE enforcement some I don't have anything more to tell you right now as far as when that's coming Motorola just keeps saying you know -- its end of October yeah I mean into the in the first quarter announcement of August and now we don't now -- now it's maybe the fourth quarter this year. The problem with that as. Then the phones. -- -- -- -- -- -- Phones in everything else -- -- since and so far -- had so. I don't know that I I wish anymore and tell you what the data is by. There's stuff lot of average out there and I'm pretty sure -- aware that a minute that's -- times about. And -- -- and they think they've. You know they've realized that and that's why not a thing now is the -- mourners. It's a once bitten twice shy situation knowing what if you bought the Motorola with an -- lending unit used Mac. I'm gonna buy Motorola phone again you can make nice campaigns. Now -- so. Yes it's unfortunate because I want efforts -- for him out highlight that was that was pretty cool and then now -- the -- honors at the certificate. That's one point five and I know Dell -- with which to some one point five but still it's just felt I you -- Kenya. I mean even if even them make the pick up from one point one point six that he remembers it even -- -- -- -- changing. It's it's I don't know that it. It's unfortunate. But I think that's how we have for today I think it went for being patient as usual and for joining hands and. Hopefully next week just going back to join us to be feeling better and be glad -- -- -- But we are always welcome your infantile them and we thank you for your comments and questions. You can do so because a couple ways you can send email to dialed in at cnet.com. You can check out the blog -- -- then dot cnet.com where we post that so every show it topics you talked about you can leave comments there. We -- -- -- -- 186 X force here 22638. So thanks again for joining us thank you funny and Houston man. -- and talk to simple tank I have and do. -- -- --