CNET Live: December 18, 2008Tom and the other Brian co-host the last show of the year and offer up their favorite iPhone apps. Molly shows off her new designer Netbook.
[ music ] ^M00:00:10 >> Coming up on CNET Live we shall dine on the bones of the forsaken. >> Brian, dude you need to get out a little more. >> Okay. >> Plus we'll also help you responsibly dispose of your gadgets. >> And we will dine on your calls and video questions. CNET Live starts now. ^M00:00:25 [ music ] ^M00:00:33 >> Hey welcome to CNET Live. I'm Tom Merritt. >> What's up, Brian Tong here in the house. >> And Brian Cooley is already off on holiday vacation, but Molly Wood's in the nook. >> Hello, I'm in the nook. >> Sweet. >> I know. >> You got a little mini fireplace now, not as big as it used to be. >> It's very cozy. >> Yeah, a lot better looking, I got to tell you. >> We're taking your calls, answering your questions at 888-900-2638, 800-900-CNET. It's our last show before the holiday break, and the consumer electronics show, so please start dialing as soon as you hear someone hang up. Phone lines are all busy right now. >> All right, but you guys know what time it is. First up, we're gonna hit the things that we Crave. ^M00:01:06 [ music ] ^M00:01:11 >> These are some of our favoring things from the Crave blog at crave.cnet.com. Mine explains all that forsaken stuff I was talking about. World of Warcraft themed restaurant discovered, or at least blogged - >> Nice. >> - by Eric Franklin on the Crave blog. This is in Beijing. They have opened a World of Warcraft themed restaurant. The doors are the same doors to the dark portal from the game, they've got - >> I've never been to the dark portal Tom. >> - lots of game art, if you scroll up, they got lots of game art on the walls. This night guy here is probably the least Warcraft-y thing in the whole restaurant. But - >> Wow. >> Yes, exactly. >> This reminds me though of like Planet Hollywood, because it may be all nice decored up, but how does the food taste? >> Don't know. I mean and they're like oh the food is all, is all like named after things from the game. But I mean that's easy, right? The forsaken burger, you know, and the freaking - >> Wow. [inaudible] another restaurant, I'm not gonna be in that restaurant dude. >> I'd try it out though, I'd have to check it out. What have you got? >> Okay, here we go. This is called the iPosture. Now I picked this specifically for the picture, but really this device is like this attachment, and people that have bad posture, essentially when you bend over you have weak posture for a duration of sixty seconds, it vibrates or alarms you to straighten that back up. Yeah, like that, like that. Now you can like attach it to your bra strap, which I don't have, or you can, they said you can actually like stick it to your chest like a nicotine patch, really? Something like that? >> Maybe they can combine them. >> Yeah, anyways it's about - >> You can kick bad posture and your smoking habit all at the same time. >> It's about like I think fifty dollars right now, there's some special deal on it. So go out and get your iPostures. >> Okay, seems possibly good. What are you wearing by the way? Who are you wearing right now? >> Who am I wearing? >> Yeah. >> We always like to talk about, I'm wearing CNET baby. >> Look at that, that's so, it's new stuff right? >> Yeah, we have some really hot killer merchandise. This says Gadget Hound, which I am. [ howling ] Like gadget hound, like - >> I had no idea you were gonna do that. >> Yeah. [ laughter ] Gray shirts, black shirts, we also have like drink merchandise. >> Yeah, some iPods. >> You can engrave. I want to engrave your face on my iPod actually. >> That sounds like a threat. >> No, it would be quite nice. So in order to - >> I'm gonna engrave your face on an iPod. >> Yeah, basically in order to get to the store, if you go to cnet.com, on the search bar just type in CNET store. We don't have a direct URL yet, but that is how you get directly to the store. It's the first thing that pops up, so you have a lot of kind of cool fun stuff there. >> Just in time for the holidays. >> You know it. >> All right, also time for your questions. Don't forget, you can make a video question, upload it to your favorite video sharing site, then send the link to us, our email address for those who say it's hard to find our email address, firstname.lastname@example.org. Shane in Las Vegas has a problem with his networked pc, here's his video. >> Hey guys, it's Shane in Las Vegas. First off, love CNET Live, love Buzz Out Loud, had my voice on there a few times. Anyways, my question is I have a pretty small network on a Lynxys router, two or three PC's at a time. Anyway, sometimes at random times this PC will get disconnected from that router, say [inaudible] bandwidth on the network, or I open up some web application that it didn't like. Anyway, if I try to reconnect on this PC, it'll usually tell me that Windows cannot find any network, and I can't refresh the list, and have to reboot the PC. All the other PC's are fine, except for this one. I've tried updating drivers, I've tried updating the firmware, I've even got a brand new wireless G adapter for this PC. Any help's appreciated, thanks. >> All right, so he's done a lot of good troubleshooting already if anybody else has this problem, update the drivers, update the firmware, try a new card. None of that's working for him. Look into things like the WPA security, like sometimes has problems with certain laptops, so there's some registry hacks you can try, I'll put a link to that in the show notes. >> We've also talked about a lot, how there's interfering products, like your cordless phones on the same frequency that can interfere with the signal as well. >> Yeah, the 2.4 gigahertz band for anything on the B or the G, I doubt he's using A, but it'd be 5.4 gigahertz I think for that. So check out interference, see if you've got overlapping channels. You might try some different channels, maybe your laptops or other computers in areas, they're not getting the interference, but that desktop is, so you could try changing the channels on the wireless. So there's a few more things for you to troubleshoot it, but that's a, I've had that problem before, and it's nasty to try to hunt down. And in my case a couple times it just went away, who knows why. >> All right. >> Let's go to the phones then, shall we? >> Okay, let's hit the phones up. >> Let's start off in California, not too far away. Jonathan, you're on CNET Live. Where you calling from man? >> Jonathan are you there? >> Jonathan? I don't know if you can hear us, but I cannot hear you. All right, let's put him on hold then, see if we can figure that out, and go on to Gary in New York, all the way on the other side of the country. Hey Gary. >> Hi guys. I'm in the market for a new laptop, and my top choices were the HP DV3510NR, or the Apple MacBook, or the Dell XPS M1330. >> Well Molly's been digging into this for you. Molly, whatcha got for him? >> Yeah, you know, I actually own that Dell XPS M1330, or I own it for a short time now that I have a new laptop. But I've been really happy with it. It's a little bit of an older model, so you might be able to get a good deal on it. On the other hand, both the HP and the MacBook are CNET Editor's Choices. And so then I think it's gonna come down to price, really. The HP is really a very well priced laptop, it's like right around a thousand dollars, whereas the MacBook, especially if you want the new aluminum unibody one instead of the nine ninety nine lower level one, is more like fifteen hundred, starting at fifteen hundred, up to about sixteen hundred. So since you can run Windows on the MacBook, it's probably not an operating system choice for you. I think if it was me, I might look for a great deal on the XPS, because I think you can probably find that a little bit cheaper, since it is sort of last year's model, and it's a nice machine with a lot of power. >> All right, thanks for calling Gary, appreciate the call. 888-900-2638, got a couple lines open now, so give us a ring. On to Vincent in Nevada. Are you in the part of Nevada that's under snow, Vincent? >> Yeah. >> Sorry to hear that man, I know some folks out there that are totally snowed in right now. >> Yeah, I heard of that. And I'm actually looking outside my window, it's starting to melt away now. >> Oh well, it was good while it lasted, huh? >> Yeah, it was good, it was like the first time in thirty years that - >> Yeah, I know, it's crazy. >> Yeah. >> What can we do for you today? >> I'm looking for a new printer. I have a question about the printers, what is the best Lexmark All in One inkjet printer for under a hundred bucks? I don't do so much photo printing, I just need a printer that prints and scans. So what do you, what's your opinion? >> Now, do you want Lexmark particularly for some reason? >> I heard Lexmark was a good brand, because they last for a very long time. >> Okay. >> If there's anything else you recommend - >> BT? >> Yeah. What you want to check out Vincent, I'm not sure if you have already, but if you go on the left column of our website at cnet.com, you can click on printers, and we actually have the top five that we recommend. Now one of those of the best printers is actually the Lexmark, let me just pull up the model here. The Lexmark X7675 Pro, it's an all in one printer, it also can connect to your Wi-Fi setup, and it's around, was it a hundred and thirty five dollars or so? >> Yeah, it's a little more expensive. >> Yeah, it's gonna be a little higher, so you won't get to sub one hundred. But if you're looking for one of the top rated printers that we have, that might fit into you know, what you're looking for. >> And if you want to go under fifty, the Cannon Pixma IP2600 photo printer, we can get it as low as forty one dollars right now. So that's kind of our favorite photo printer there. Molly, whatcha got? >> Well I was just gonna say that I can attest that the Lexmark printers last forever. So even though it's a little bit more expensive, I had one for about, I swear it had to be at least ten years, until finally Vista couldn't handle it, and I had to get rid of it. >> All right guys, it is time for First Look. Apple makes some rather delicious monitors called the cinema displays. We'll take a look at Apple's new twenty four incher. ^M00:09:12 [ music ] ^M00:09:16 >> Hi this is Eric Franklin from cnet.com, and today we're looking at the Apple LED cinema display. Now the reason why we have the MacBook out with the cinema display, because the cinema display is only compatible with the MacBook currently. It uses a mini display port as its connection. There's no DVI, no VGA, not even HDMI. It only uses mini display port, and so far the MacBooks are the only computers out there that have a mini display port connection. Some of the other features that the display has is a built in eye sight camera, it has a built in microphone, built in speakers on the underside of the panel, as well as the back. ^M00:09:56 The display delivers very, very nice sound, very full, very deep bass, it doesn't get distorted when you turn the volume up really high, or anything like that. The display can tilt back about thirty degrees, but that's about it. There's no height adjustment, there's no rotation, there's no pivoting options. There's no OSD included with the display, you have to go actually into the system preferences of your MacBook and change the options from there. As of yet, we haven't had time to test the display with Display Mate, or with any games. But we did check out a couple of movies. We checked out our usual test movie, Kill Bill Volume One, and what we noticed is that the display has a very nice contrast ratio, in that the blacks are very deep, and the colors are very full. We did notice some backlight bleed through at the bottom of the screen on very dark screens however. If you're interested in buying this display, just note that you need to own a MacBook, and you need to own the newest version of the MacBook with the mini display port connection on it. You won't be able to hook this up to a PC or anything else actually at this point. As far as a recommendation goes, check the review which should be up in a few days. [ background music ] Once again, this is Eric Franklin, it's been the first look at the Apple twenty four inch LED cinema display. ^M00:11:10 [ music ] ^M00:11:15 >> All right, good stuff Eric. And those displays, they only work with the MacBooks right now, isn't that beautiful. >> Hmm. Only the MacBooks. >> Yes, MacBook. >> With an adapter? >> Yeah, but the screen doesn't work on any other machine right now, yet. >> Not even with an adapter. >> No, not yet, not that I know of. >> That's brilliant, all right, love that. >> Okay, here we go. That's what Eric was talking about. Okay, let's hit up the phones. Remember, 888-900-CNET. We've got Ricardo from Texas. I think Tom might be able to help you a little bit with this one. Let's go. >> Yes, I was wondering, you know, cause I have Kubuntu installed on Vista right now with Wubi [assumed spelling], and I was wondering if I could also put Ubuntu with Wubi as well. >> Yes, I think you can. Where in Texas are you calling from? >> Laredo. >> Okay. I'm just kidding, I'll answer any city in Texas. You can. You could go about this a couple of ways. You could actually go back and put Ubuntu on with Wubi, and then add the KDE desktop, I'll put a link to some instructions on how to add KDE to Ubuntu in the show notes at blog.cnettv.com. But you could also just have Wubi running two different instances of Ubuntu if you wanted to just have both going on. Is there something about KDE that you just like having? >> Well it reminds me so much of Windows, that it was easy for me to kind of get used to it at first. >> To make the transition, yeah, I've heard that from people. It's sort of a religious war between Gnome [assumed spelling] and KDE desktops with Linux, because they're both different ways of approaching it. Some people think Gnome is maybe a little more like OS ten, and KDE a little more like Windows. But yeah, you can try just doing a totally separate install, or maybe try combining them so that you can actually use the KDE or the Gnome desktop in one installation. All right? >> And to install them together, that would be, I could just download the ISO from - >> Exactly. >> - the website, and then put it on the or Wubi. >> Yeah, that's right. That's, yeah, you just need to get the other ISO. Cool. >> All right. >> All right, thanks Ricardo. Thanks for giving us a ring on CNET Live. 888-900-2638. On to Bobby, who's got a server question. Hey Bobby, welcome to CNET Live. >> Hello. Just like to say I love the show. >> Thank you. >> So I have a junk PC laying around, and I'd like to use it for a server. >> Mm-hmm. >> You know, just to back up my extra data, music and pictures and stuff. And I was wondering what program should I use as like the base program for that server. >> I would use Free Nas [assumed spelling]. You could get it, it's an open source program at freenas.org. And you just run it, burn it to a CD, install it on the computer. It will wipe out anything on that computer, so if there is any data you want to save, make sure to back that up first. And it basically turns your computer into exactly what you want, a networked attached storage device that allows you to back up files to it, whatever kind of files you want. And like I said, Free Nas, nas.org, or I'll throw that link in the show notes at blog.cnettv.com. >> All right, thank you. >> All right, thanks man. Appreciate the call. Time to take a quick break. When we come back, best of the web, we'll save you some money on your groceries. In these difficult times, that's important. Drink. Stick with us. ^M00:14:24 [ music ] ^M00:14:45 >> Hey everyone, I'm Molly Wood, host of CNET TV's Mail Bag. Here at the Mail Bag, we love to read your letters and emails, the lover mail, even the hater mail. And apparently you like it too, cause when we tried to make the show bi-weekly, boy did you raise a stink. So we're back to every week, and you can all just calm down. But don't stop writing in, cause I need you, bad. Look for the new edition of Mail Bag, every Wednesday at cnettv.com. ^M00:15:09 [ music ] ^M00:15:15 >> Howdy y'all. >> Hey yo, what's going on? Welcome back. >> Green with envy. >> CNET Live, you guys know what we're doing. We're taking all your calls, keep them rolling in. 888-900-CNET. And that's how we're gonna take care of you guys. >> But first, before we get to your calls, it's time for the Best of the Web. ^M00:15:30 [ music ] ^M00:15:35 >> Best of the Web is brought to you from our good folks at Webware.com, part of CNET news coverage of web apps. And our pick today is Grocio, G R O C I O. Now we're way early in the game with Grocio. What it is is a way to compare prices at different grocery stores around the country. So in your area it will be able to tell you okay, you know, you got the cheapest Corn Flakes here, your Ho-Ho's are cheaper across the street. You know, you'll be able to, whatever it is that you're shopping for, you'll do all the comparison shopping online. They are not launched yet anywhere outside of Tulsa, Oklahoma. >> I've been to Tulsa, very brown and flat. >> I like Tulsa, Tulsa's a nice town. One of our cameramen is from Oklahoma so - >> Okay, I'm gonna be careful now. >> Or you're gonna be out of focus the rest of the show. [ laughter ] But they are expanding to other areas of the country, so you can sign up and get email alerts when they move into your area. And immediately, one service they're providing is the ability to look at all the circulars from the grocery stores in your area, do a little of that comparison shopping yourself. So want to get in early on something? I think it's probably gonna be pretty helpful once it gets launched, if they do it right. Check out Grocio at grocio.com. >> Excellent. Okay, let's take more calls shall we? >> Yes, let's. >> 888-900-CNET. >> That is in fact what we are here for. >> Yeah. >> Let's go on up to Donny, down in South Carolina. Hey Donny, thanks for calling CNET Live. What can we do for you today? >> I'm pretty sure you guys all have iPhones, I just want to know what app you use the most, or you think is most useful. Oh and by the way, Molly I love your laptop cover. >> Thank you. It's totally not a cover. It is in fact a limited edition of the HP Mini 1000. >> Really. >> Yes. It's by designer Vivian Tam [assumed spelling]. I know that's not your question. >> How much was that laptop? >> It's possible that that question, that the laptop was a two hundred dollar premium over the regular price of the tricked out Vivian Tam. >> Yeah. >> Or the tricked out HP Mini 1000. >> It's okay. >> Donny, I freaked out when I saw that too. >> The ladies love it, Brian Tong loved it too. >> It's an HP. >> Thanks for bunching me in there Molly. >> Yeah, it's an HP Mini 1000, which is actually one of our favorite netbooks, cause it has the nice big keyboard. But then they made this limited edition designer one, so. >> An HP that looks like a compact. >> Get it for your girlfriend. >> Anyway, so on to iPhone apps. >> Yeah, you go first. >> My favorite iPhone apps are pretty classic right now. I mean I've tried some new ones here and there. But Wurdle, W U R D L E, I just cannot stop using. Urban Spoon I use a lot. Twitter FON, F O N, is kind of my favorite iPhone Twitter app right now. Those are probably the three I use the most. What about you? >> Yeah. I think the, I mean I use a lot of web apps. CNET.com actually has a new iPhone mobile version of their web app, which is cool, but what is it, Firemail by far I use the most, it allows you to do horizontal or landscape emailing, and integrates directly with the email client on the iPhone, and it makes it a lot easier to punch in my emails. I use that like all the time. So that's what I'll go with. >> Air Me. >> Air Me? >> I use to upload pictures to Flicker. So you could take the picture, and it uploads it immediately. >> Oh that's cool. >> What about Molly, you got a couple? >> I actually, I use, it took me a minute, a while to get into it, but I use Twitterific all the time now for Twitter, because I like that it highlights the replies to you in the Twitter feed. I really like You Note, which is kind of a note taking application for the iPhone, but it lets you record - >> You Note. >> - audio notes, like little voice memos to yourself. You could even take a picture and kind of tag it, like oh I need to remember the name of this product that I saw at Costco for when I get home, or something like that. And then I am a big fan of, well obviously, Wurdle, W U R D L E, my favorite iPhone app. There's one other one that I use all the time, and I can't think of what, oh I'm into the e-readers now, there's an eReader app for iPhone that lets you do ebook reading. And I actually think the iPhone is a surprisingly good eReader. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thanks Donny. On to Costa Rica. Hey Diego, thanks for calling in to CNET Live. What can we do for you? >> First of all I wanted to say I love the show, we watch it from here all the time. >> Whoo. >> And well here's my question. I have a black MacBook, and it won't go to sleep when it's on battery, it just shuts off. And it works when I do it manually, when I close the lid, or when I press the power button, and you know, select the go to sleep option. And a friend of mine told me it could have something to do with a corrupt system preference file, but I'm not sure what it could be. >> Hmm. >> Brian, you, I know the newer ones have some problems we were talking about. >> Yeah. You know, we were thinking it might be, with a newer one, but you said it's only when your battery is low, that's when it won't go to sleep? >> Yeah, exactly. I mean, like or even if I select go to sleep after five minutes as an activity, you know, when you can like move the slider to the left. >> Yeah. >> It still won't go to sleep. ^M00:20:08 >> Hmm. >> And it doesn't only happen with mine, it happens to a lot of friends, too. I don't know if it's something we've installed, or - >> Yeah. Personally, I don't know off the top of my head. I don't know if this is something we can throw out to the viewers to see if they have any suggestions first. Are you finding anything? >> I'm noticing a lot of people have this same problem. Have you done some searching around, looking for other people with the same problem, Diego? >> Yeah, I reset the PRAM, and a couple of other suggestions from other you know, readers. And I couldn't find an answer to it. >> Yeah, cause I think we were thinking this is that firmware problem. And I see some stuff about system preferences here as well. Do you use an external display? >> No, I'm just using the - >> Okay. So yeah, I'm not, are you finding anything? >> Off the top of my head, I mean maybe it's something that we can you know, put in the show notes and get back to him to see if we can find anything for him? Cause I got nothing right now. >> And check out forums.cnet.com too. If you haven't posted there, there's a lot of good folks in there that might have the same problem. We'll dig around, and keep a look on the show notes, blog.cnettv.com. Sorry we couldn't help you out more Diego, but thanks for the call. >> Will do, thank you. >> All right. Kat Lane direct messaged me on Twitter after seeing the Sixty Minutes report on devious so-called recyclers, who actually dump their stuff overseas instead of actually recycling it. And she asked if we could do a bit on finding responsible recyclers. We'll tell you what to do with your old gadgets in today's Insider Secret. >> It's exciting to get new gadgets, but it leaves you with old gadgets. So what do you do with them? No. [ buzz ] Consumer electronics are full of lead, chromium, mercury, and other bad toxic stuff. I'm Tom Merritt from CNET.com. We'll show you ways to properly dispose of your old technology on today's Insider Secret. ^M00:22:00 [ music ] ^M00:22:10 >> First let's deal with batteries, then move on to the electronics themselves. If you throw a battery in the trash, you may end up eating parts of it later, it can get in the soil. So what do you do? Many retailers accept batteries for proper disposal, or recycling if possible, and some work places do the same. If you need help finding a place to properly dispose of batteries, go to earth911.com. You can put in your zip code and find disposal locations near you. Now as you saw in the picture, some retailers will also take old cell phones and ink cartridges. But they don't accept old broken TV's, there's no room in the bin. So here are two alternatives for disposing of electronics, large and small. The first, sell it. It's called reuse. If it still works, you can get a little cash. The usual suspects are places like eBay and Craig's List. But buymytronics.com cuts out the middle man, and just pays you cash up front for your tech, though they don't take everything. Now Giselle, formerly Second Rotation, will take anything and sell it for you, then give you some cash, and if it doesn't sell, they'll recycle it free of charge. For the more free spirited among you, freecycle.org connects you with like minded folks who give away all kinds of items to other folks in their area. Kind of a pot latch system for the twenty first century. But some of you may have gadgets you just don't want to do anything with but dump. Well don't just give it to any recycler. Sixty Minutes recently exposed the fact that some so-called recyclers simply ship old electronics overseas, rather than assuring they're properly disposed of. The Electronic Industries Alliance keeps a list of nationwide e-cyclers by zip code. However, they leave the investigation of whether these recyclers are legit up to you, though they do give you a good set of questions to ask, which is worth reviewing. Earth911.com calls itself the nation's official environmental information network, but it doesn't list too many criteria on its site, other than working closely with the EPA. It is endorsed by Oprah though. Giselle, which we mentioned earlier, claims to responsibly recycle anything it can't sell by sending them to partners who quote, have the highest standards. Okay, but what if these reassurances aren't enough. Some say if you're not paying for your recycling, it's probably not being properly recycled, because proper recycling is costly. So take a look at the Basal Action Network's e-steward's certification program. To get listed as an e-steward, you have to pledge to, among other things, not allow hazardous e-waste to be sent to landfills or incinerators, and not to be exported to developing countries. One last thing before you separate yourself from that old beloved piece of tech. Wipe your personal information off of it. Services like Giselle promise to wipe it for you. Not that I don't trust them, I just don't trust anyone. So see our videos on wiping hard drives for some help on erasing personal info. That's it for this Insider Secret. I'm Tom Merritt. Oh right, one more option, you could do like I do and just keep everything. I'm Tom Merritt, cnet.com. ^M00:25:03 [ music ] ^M00:25:08 >> And, oh I'm back. >> Yeah, you're back. You either [inaudible] or you just need a change, man. You need to stop living here. >> Nope, I was inside the television. All right, and for more resources, check out Elsa Wenzell's [assumed spelling] list on webware.com. She found some other places that you can go and do some recycling, and get rid of your old computers. >> Okay. >> We did a little more digging into the problem of the - >> Sleep issue with the MacBook. >> - sleep issue, and found that if Bluetooth isn't working for some reason, I wish we had him still on the line, but if Bluetooth isn't working, sometimes that has caused sleep issues for other people. So one person actually took a Bluetooth USB dongle, plugged it into the Mac, sleep issue went away. So to permanently fix it, he went to the DVD, reinstalled the Bluetooth application from the DVD, like repaired his system, got Bluetooth working again, and it was fine. So that might be one way to go. We'll stick a link to that in the show notes. >> Okay, cool. >> Shall we go to the phones then? >> Yes sir, yes sir. >> Well let's then. Let's go to Jonathan, who is on the line from Kentucky. Hey Jonathan, where you calling in from Kentucky? >> Madisonville. >> How are things in Madisonville? >> Snow. >> That's pretty much the answer almost everywhere but here. What can we do for you today? >> First I want to say that Molly, you forgot to mention that your new laptop does include the Brian Tong. [ laughter ] >> It does. Your laptop does come with Bluetooth, with BT. >> BT. >> It includes the Brian Tong, or as I like to call it, Bluetooth. >> Yeah, there was a Brian Tong problem with the MacBook. >> Thank you Jonathan. >> What else can we do for you Jonathan? >> I was wanting to know what Twitter clients you guys suggested for Windows. >> I like Twitter Fox. I've used Twirl, which is great for multiple posting, if you have multiple Twitter accounts. But Twitter Fox is a plugin for Firefox, and I use that quite a bit, because it just updates me, and little alerts, very unobtrusive, down in the bottom of my browser. And then I can pull it open and see replies, and all of that. So either Twirl, or Twitter Fox, any others? >> There's also, Twitterific does have, they have an iPhone app, but they also do have a dedicated desktop application that's pretty popular as well. I don't know of any others? >> No, I was gonna second the recommendation for Twirl though, that seems to by far the highest rated desktop Twitter app on Download.com. >> And there's also just having it open in a web page, which is kind of how I use it more often than not. >> Yeah, use the web. I kind of don't have a problem with that actually. >> Yeah. >> I just leave a tab open all the time, although I guess if you're gonna leave a tab open all the time, you probably want to be in Google Chrome and not Firefox. >> All right, thanks Jonathan. And let's try a fast call here with Jay in Virginia. Hey Jay, thanks for calling in to CNET Live. What can we do for you? >> Hey guys, what's going on? >> We're just doing a little show, what's going on with you? >> Oh nothing. I had a question. I have the iPhone and I'm running out of pages for all my apps. So is there a way to get more pages by jail breaking the phone? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I can add more pages? >> Yeah, you know, there's no way to add more pages without jail breaking the phone, but apparently if you jail break the iPhone, and I have not tried this, so no warranty here, but there's an app called categories that some people say works great, other people say they can't get it to work. So it's one of those jail broken apps, your mileage may vary. But that's why I gave the yeah with sort of a long tail of doubt. >> All right. >> Also dude, get rid of some apps. That means you've got like over a hundred and fifty [inaudible]. >> A lot of them are games and you know, I get bored [inaudible]. So I you know. >> Delete, delete, delete. >> Get rid of them, delete them. >> Delete it. >> I'm with you man, you need more pages, you need more pages, right? >> Exactly, you know? [ laughter ] >> And so you know, you want to have all your apps. >> This is totally a packrat versus non-packrat [inaudible] happening. >> And you know, you just saw what side of the fence I'm on with that. All right thanks Jay, so yeah, search out Categories for jail break app, and let us know if you try it, how it works for you, all right? This is our last show for 2008 people. >> Wow, yeah. >> We will be gone until next year. But we will be back the week of the consumer electronics show, CES 2009. We'll be doing special CNET Live's January seventh and January eighth, ninety minute editions of CNET Live - >> Dear Lord. >> - from Las Vegas. We will not have the phone lines open for those shows, but we will have a live audience that we'll be taking questions from. So if you're at CES in Las Vegas, come on by the CNET booth, it'll be in the south hall second floor lobby, and you'll be able to find all of our CES coverage for 2009 at ces.cnet.com. [ background music ] >> There you go, all right. Well what, happy holidays everybody? >> Yeah, happy holidays. >> Check out the merchandise in the store, get one for your momma. >> Thanks Molly for helping out. >> No problem >> Okay, see you guys next year. ^M00:29:51 [ music ]