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The 404: The 404 1,487: Where we can't handle the truth
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The 404: The 404 1,487: Where we can't handle the truth

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The FCC opens the door to public comments as the fight for net neutrality continues. We'll tell you exactly how you can get your voice heard, but the bad news continues as we discuss Comcast's announcement of impending bandwidth data caps. Tune in to hear how this will affect the future of the Internet.

It's Friday, May 16th, 2014. I'm Ariel Nunez, and from our CBS studios in New York City, welcome to the 404. [MUSIC] What's going on, everyone? Welcome to the program. This is the 404 show. Happy Friday to all of you listening out there I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Justin Yu. What's going on? Well, here's what's going on. We've got a lot to talk about today. Some stuff to bring up next week. Check it out, Katie Lyndall, you know I love her, she says she is going to be here Monday we're just gonna have to take her word for it. she's scheduled to be here on Monday, so get excited about that. And then we follow that up the very next day on Tuesday with a first time guest on the show. His name is Reggie Watts, and we will welcome him to the program. We are very excited about that. Man, is this a long, meeting in the making. I remember the days of when, like, Justin ran into him. What was the story? You, like, met him on the street? He, I think this is the first time where a guest has come in who's more excited to be on CNet that we are to have him here. I'm really, I doubt that, but go on let me. Because during this time of the story I'm telling what happened was we're in Brooklyn and I see Reggie Watts,and I wasn't going to say anything cause I get nervous talking to people like that. But he comes up to me and he's like hey do you work for CNET. And I thought he was gonna be a 404 listener, maybe he had heard the show once or twice, but it turns out he's actually a fan of CNET. And he recognized [LAUGH] me from my printer and headphone videos, So. Which hardly ever happens, cuz I try not to do those. Cuz, so Reggie Watts is at home watching printer review videos? Yeah, and he was dropping names, I think he said Kent German. He's a fan of Kent, Huh. and Donald Bell. He was going back to the old days too, and like naming off, like Nicole Lee and things like that. So I'm he's been a long time fan of CNET's. We'll have to get to the bottom of that. Yeah. When he's here on Tuesday. I'm really excited. I've never met him. I can't wait to talk to him. So, that will be a lot fun. So, absolutely make sure you tune in to to that on Tuesday. Obviously he co-hosts Comedy Bang Bang with Scott Orkomen who was just on the program. And that's on IFC Thursdays at 10:30. We've gotta be doing something right. Something's [CROSSTALK] If Scott wasn't like, hey, don't do this freaking show. Well, Chuck came back, number one. That's true, yeah. Marron came back, number two. And Reggie Watts wants to be on. Yeah. That's number three. Plus, like, we're working on getting Morgan Spurlock back. Mm-hm. That's gonna be awesome. So good things are happening. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Today's a little bit abysmal. I was gonna say, I'm glad that we got the good news out of the way. Because it's nothing but bad news on today's show, unfortunately. We're talking out about yesterday's FCC approval of what will probably be a very long and arduous conversation about net neutrality. Painful. It finally gets voted on four months from now. A painful process. Ooh. So we're gonna break down what finally happened yesterday. I'm still, I mean, I'm on the fence about it. So we'll, we'll go back first about that. Okay. Then we're gonna talk about exactly what you can do to make your individual voice heard. We've been talking a lot lately about I feel so helpless with this whole net neutrality debate. What can you do as an individual listener, and we're gonna tell you today. Next we're gonna talk about a really cool crowd funding campaign for what could be the next generation of bike lock. I know, I'm probably the only one that's really excited about this [LAUGH], but now that it's actually coming out, I wanted to bring it up on the show, and then we're gonna close it up with more bad news, unfortunately, about Comcast, and this is not a maybe, this is definitely happening. Comcast is going to be imposing data caps within the next 5 years, and that announcement was made yesterday, so, we'll talk about that too, and what it means for all of us as Time Warner Cable subscribers. Well, what about Godzilla? Yeah [LAUGH], but what would happen if Godzilla actually invaded today, People are starting to see Godzilla. They say it's really, really good. I'm going to watch it this weekend. I, see I've read good, I've read bad. Oh really? You read bad? Yeah, I read boring. Huh. People are saying, I read some people, they're saying it's boring. I mean, this is a very top level, you know, criticism of the film. Mm hm. I absolutely want to see it, even my wife wants to see it, and I'm kinda blown away by that, so I'm gonna cash in that opportunity. Ii depends on how you feel about San Francisco. If you hate San Francisco, you'll probably love this movie. Yeah, I mean you know what, it's about time someone destroyed San Fransisco. Yeah it doesn't get blown up enough. I'm serious it doesn't get blown up enough. New York takes a beating in every single Marvel movie. Every movie, Empire State Building, capoosh, you know,. Yeah. Statue of Liberty gets torn of its torso or whatever. Yeah. It's about time someone took the Golden Gate Bridge and wore it as a belt maybe. Yeah. And just sort of did it, you know, it's a, I think it's a beautiful city, so, sometimes you gotta destroy something beautiful. Yeah, I think I'm going to try to watch that this weekend, What about Days of Future Past? That's a few weeks away. . The X Men movie? Yeah buddy. Yeah, I've been hearing some things about that too. Roger saw it, down, down the alley. Roger already saw it? Yeah man, Roger like reviews movies now. We're talking about Roger Chang, the executive editor for CNET news. He's like a movie reviewer now. Hm. And he, he saw Godzilla last night, the bastard,. Right. And he saw X-Men. Loved it. Won't shut up about it. There was a time when we've got, when we would get advance screenings to movies. And that doesn't happen anymore. Well, I still get them. When the. I got offered to see Spiderman. I didn't, I didn't. Oh, really? Yeah, I didn't do that. Yeah, well it's all going to have to be, in the, well, this weekend for Godzilla. One is, Days of the Future. [CROSSTALK] Oh, Days of the Future pass is a week from today. Very cool. I thought this summer was gonna suck and then it's like, bam, one, two, Godzilla, X-men. Yeah. Right away. It's happening right now. What other movies are coming out this summer that are really good? There's, well there's that Tom Cruise movie about a, it's like Groundhog Day meets Starship Troopers. What? [LAUGH] I'm really happy with that explanation. It's like a, it's a movie about like he dies all the time and he comes back and like redoes stuff. It's like a future war with some alien race. Oh, yeah, I remember. I don't really know the specifics, it's him and Emily Blunt. Mm-hm, yeah. There's a lot of really good summer movies that I'm kind of looking forward to see. Like that new Luc Besson movie, Lucy? Scarlet Johansen? Oh, that's the one where she learns, like opens up the other 95% of her brain that nobody else uses. Right, yeah. That's gotta be fake, right? No one, we use 100% of our brains. We talked about that, yeah. alright. So now we've gotten in. I just had to get into that, because I know the, the show ahead is. I know. And a little heavy and, and, and dark. Yeah, we need a little buffer. So we need a little bit of sunshine at the beginning of the program to perhaps, you know, alleviate the transition into the madness. Well the weekend's gonna be here very soon. Do you guys have good weekend plans? [LAUGH] I love it. You're trying too. You're like, Yeah. it's not all bad. It's not all bad, dude. It's not all bad. There's a nice weekend coming up. It's not gonna rain tomorrow, which is good. It's supposed to rain for the next 48 hours. All day today. No not tomorrow though. You sure? It's supposed to clear up tomorrow. Oh, all right. So that's good, what else is good. I don't know like rainbows, ice cream, free money. So I have that to look forward to, yeah I think that's the only thing that's good. Let's get to this, and I don't want to beat around the bush here. All right, all right, so yesterday some bad news happened, it's not the worst it's not like final word but we've been talking about net neutrality. Yesterday, the FCC approved a four month process that could be the first step in the wrong direction in this war against net neutrality and the vote came out to three to two, a very small voting room. Yeah just the, the main dudes and ladies,right? Right, right and the FCC Chairman actually broke the tie. So, it was two to two and it was his deciding vote. But, essentially what that means is that they've approved the process that will essentially let the public say what they want. Which is a good thing. Yeah, yeah that's a good thing. They are opening up the floor to the public for opinion on whether or not the agency should proceed with the filing. Right, so the filing is the, conversation, the docket on the open internet. The first comment period will go for 60 days. That's from right this very second until July 15th, where the public gets to chime in, and I wanna, like, enforce our collective feelings that it should be educated chiming ins. Yeah, yeah. Just like, you know, **** you, keep net neutrality. It's gotta be, like, thought out sort of stuff. There is an electronic comment filing system that you can go and seek out, and put your well thought out lucid composed statements on why you think net neutrality should be, preserved. Really going out on a limb here and imagining that the vast majority of our listenership is probably in favor of net neutrality. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I would imagine that would be the case. Most people on the internet probably feel that way. Right, right, right. Yeah I think so too, and you know, and these first two stories kinda tie together, I'm talking about a, an article that was posted today on the Consumerist that was, very informative for me. Because I was feeling a little helpless too just like everyone else. Sure. But if you wanna file a comment you can do that now. One thing we should let everybody know is that it's not anonymous. Right. You know, this is not gonna be, you know. It shouldn't be. No random comment with your first name, you actually have to put your first and last name, your address, I don't know if the address is verified, so you could probably hide that if you wanted, but. Well, no, you shouldn't. You shouldn't because, yeah, you should be. Well the thing is all of the records and the comments are going to be publicly available. Okay. So you know, unless you want your address publicized on the internet. Put your work address. Yeah, you may put your work address, that's a good idea. I don't know if that's like good advice but that's what I'm going to say. Mm-hm. So you have from now until, what is it July 15th. July 15th is the open period. To make your voice heard, and the Consumerist provided us with a very handy template and some bullet points if you wanna expand on them, but yeah, make it an educated comment. I, I don't know if I'm ready to do this yet. I'm, I, I said I was on the fence earlier but it's only because I haven't read enough information about this. Right. A part of the big argument against I wouldn't even say against Net Neutrality, other side of Net Neutrality is that they want to impose a metered system, which doesn't sound like the worst idea in the world. I wanna hear both sides. Well there already is technically, in a way, a metered system. Now when we talk about a metered system, we're, we're saying, you know, just like your utilities. Sure. At home. The more you use, the more you pay for. Right. And, it is like that now. But there's not that many tiers. So if they're proposing, I think, okay, look, at the end of the day, there, there's a limited amount of bandwidth that we have on the internet. And someone's gonna have to foot the bill for that. And whether it is the content providers or the service providers, I mean, at the end of the day I think we're all going to have to pay more money for services too. So who's to say that it should be all them and not some of us? Okay, well you bring up a good point because that is also a major element to this entire struggle. Mm-hm. The FCC is also examining whether or not broadband access should be classified as a common utility, which it is currently not, which is a mistake. Right. It, it was mistakenly categorized. It was categorized at a time where shock, people didn't know enough about the thing they were making a massive sweeping decision on. Right. So that is being put up for debate as well. I think that's a way more technical issue that look, I've always said, I believe the internet is a utility. Hm. I think it's just like electricity. It's just one of these you know, sort of default you know, sort of pipes that we have now in our modern life. And if all those other things fall into a categorization of utility. Mm-hm. Well, then yeah, broadband should probably also have that categorization as well. Right. That, we're, we're on the same page with that. What changing that to a common carrier would do would probably t, tweak the way in which we are charged for it. Like you said, possibly in a tiered fashion. Mm-hm. I agree, maybe, you know, maybe that's fine. W, we already kind of do. Like- Yeah. You can already pay your provider, odds are, you can pay your provider more money for a bigger pipe. Mm-hm. For speed boost. For speed boost, or whatever it is. You know, is really no hardware changing, it's just kind of the flipping of a switch. Never the less, you can pay more for a bigger pipe, for a bigger straw, whatever analogy you want to use. Yeah. So there's that. The thing that's out there now, and the big thing is the whole fast lane issue. Yeah. And how you know. The, the idea of, of content companies paying providers more money for quicker access to consumers. Mm-hm. That's a big, hot topic. It's controversial. I think there's that we need to think about when you are talking and choosing what side of the fence you fall on. It's no surprise that Netflix is the biggest Well, They, they. Supporter of net neutrality. Of course. I mean, they take up 30% of the bandwidth at peak hours. So, of course they're gonna be the ones not wanting to pay a little bit more money for this. It doesn't necessarily mean that the cost that they'll have to incur if this goes through will translate to consumers. If anything, Netflix will just have to pay more money for the amount of bandwidth they're taking from everybody. Well that would make. And they are hogging the pipes. But that would impact. Probably. But we don't know that though. Well it's already going up in price. Netflix has already gone up a little bit, but for the next two years we're safe. You know, I mean. At the end of the day someone's going to have to pay a little bit more money. Whether it's us, them or all of us at the same time. It needs to be democratic I think. When it comes to content providers it's not just, yes, Netflix, however that pans out. A lot of it will be dictated by these decisions but you're also, you're playing a little bit with fire because let's say Comcast just buys Netflix. Well, then you have a problem with you know, the conflict of interest when it comes to the people that own the pipes and the people that own the content going through the pipes. Right. So look, it's not easy, it's not black and white. Yeah. There's a lot of gray area here. I think people really need to be concerned with the potential of what these decisions could lead to in the future. Right now, it seems that we're probably pretty safe in sort of like a tiered internet, where you wouldn't be paying extra to access certain sites. If anything, you would just be paying for, you know, the sort of, the throttling and,. Yeah. And that sort of thing. So, look, it's a really long conversation. The way you get your voice heard is by making a concise and lucid statement, if you find it in your interest to do so. Mm-hm. And there's plenty of forums. Look, you know, in a week we went from not knowing what to do, to providing you a perfect XYZ form to speak within, so you know. I, you know, I'm seriously considering putting something together. I feel like maybe you and I should write something together as a, as a team and Ariel, as CNET TV perhaps, writing a, a letter, you know, demonstrating how we feel about this cuz this doesn't feel like a big deal cuz it's kind of invisible and intangible, but it is such a major deal. Everyone you know, and everyone you give birth to for the rest of your life. You know it's kinda cool we're going through this right now. Will be affected by this. I shouldn't say cool. It's, we're in a landmark. It's important. Yeah, it's gonna be a landmark decision. Whatever that will be. So the next four months should be very interesting. Along the same note though, I mean, it's all kinda coming together. We haven't talked too much about the Comcast Time Warner merger, but that's definitely happening. And yesterday at an investor meeting Comcast's executive VP David Cohen, he announced a usage based billing system that Comcast will implement within the next five years. So what that means is right now you have unlimited access to bandwidth. However much you want, you pay one set price and you get, you know, an open faucet. What this cap essentially means is that you're going to get 300 gigabytes per month and this is a rough estimate based on what the VP said. Well the cap is already in place. The cap is in place for some states but this is talking nationwide. So you're probably going to get about 300 gigs per month. At that normal package. And it's the minimum package that you'll have. And then anything that you go over that you'll buy buckets, basically. That'll be $10 for ten megabytes of additional space. Ten gigabytes. I'm sorry, ten gigabytes for $10. So, I mean depending on how much you use that could end up, with a little bit of overflow on your end of the month bill. People were getting more up in arms over the implications of the idea, and perhaps less concerned with the reality of it. And I think, like, you need to think about this like proportionately to like other things that we consume. Yeah. In the world. Like your cell phone bill. Like you, you couldn't leave your faucet on all day, Oh, yeah. And just have it going all day. But, as Comcast states, 1.5% are the, of their customers approach this cap. Think about that. Yeah. You are most likely not in that 1.5%, 98% of their customers never even come close to even flirting with that type of bandwidth consumption. Yeah, that's what Comcast says. No I think you can conclusively sit, I don't think a major corporation like that is forging a serious number, like they could. No, right. People could find out. It's something you could research. But we're not just talking, I mean yeah, I, I agree with you but we're not just talking about right now, though, I mean, in the future, as more people get [UNKNOWN] TVs. Sure. Right. Content gets delivered in whatever format it's gonna be. Sure. It's gonna require more and more space as people will keep cutting the cords. They're gonna start downloading more. Right. And there's a certain sort of formula that it will follow. It'll exponentially rise. Since what they did, they instituted it in 2008. It's gone up since then. And, you know, you'd have to imagine it will continue to go up. I'm, I'm with you, though. There's a lot of, like, potential for fear here. Yeah. Or, or, you know, distrust, especially looking forward. [UNKNOWN] It was nice while it lasted. I mean, for decades. You know, for the last two decades [INAUDIBLE]. But you weren't coming close to this cap either. No, no. But we've been enjoying free unlimited internet. Not free, unlimited internet. No, yeah. At a certain price. I think my thing is if they're gonna make it if they're gonna make it a tiered system, really make it free for everybody to adopt. For example, they're gonna be charging 300, whatever. I'm sorry, it's three. 300 gigabytes a month for that bandwidth, right? But why stop there? Like, why, why would you start at 300, where you can? It's, it's what they. Just offer a 150 megabyte package too, or just pay exactly how much you use per month. Well, you need to have like a minimum. I get that. The, the service is turned on for you. You decided to say, hey, I, I use the internet enough were I need highspeed internet. Yeah, you have to pay this minimum. So you pay the minimum, right? And then from there, look, I under, I agree in some way. Like, sure, you know, it would be nice to go back to the days of AOL. Maybe not that pricing rate, but when you would pay for hourly usage. And it was whatever it was. I mean. Or it's like the cell phone model, where you could pay as you go. Right, but you, you have to understand. Like, if you go back to that sort of model, I mean, I don't know if there's a pricing structure in place that you would, that you would wind up paying less than you do now. ALO, that was expensive! If you were online for ten hours, that was like fifty bucks. Yeah. You know? And I'm not saying it would be a similar sort of thing, but they would need to restructure how that works. And I'm not saying it's good or it's bad. But it would take a massive sort of re, you know, this overhaul of how we think of price per consumption. And the closer you get to the average amount of minutes or bandwidth that you would use, the more paranoid you get about going overboard. Remember when like cellphones first came out then. And that's what some American consumers wanna do. Very minimal, yeah, you, you were constantly checking, oh my god, have I gone over for today. Yeah, yeah. I need to like limit this usage. And I don't wanna have to constantly checking my. Which is why. My account which is gonna be tough. Well, part of that luxury of having peace of mind comes with a threshold, a base installation payment. So, that, according to our own article here, Comcast has been doing this in certain states, I think in the South, I wanna say. Yeah, since 08. Since 08, yeah, so it's been going on for a while, it's been tested there, I wanna know if we have any listeners that have gone over the cap in those states. Do you have a list of what those are? My Internet isn't working, the states that it's already been in place. Is it in that, Is it in the story here? I think so, yeah. Wow, I'm not seeing it. All right, well we'll get' em. You probably know if you went over. If a listener did go over I'm sure they were contacted by their provider. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never had it. I don't remember anyone writing in telling us that they did it. But sure, I'd be interested to hear from someone who actually did it. I don't know anyone who has ever done anything like that. Like, you must run, you must serve some sort of unbelievable. Right. You know, like, thing in your house. Yeah. [LAUGH] And have a, and I'd like to also see your electricity bill. I wonder if there will come a day when, when we leave the house we're gonna have to turn off the internet. I mean, if we're going to treat them like utilities, have a metered system, then it makes no sence why you would not be at home, and want to still have the Internet on. Well, when you leave, the internet is off. But it's still processing packets, and things like that. Where? If you leave certain applications open But then you are using the internet. Yeah, you are! So, I mean, if you turn your computer off, yeah, then you're not using it. Right. I think, do you think just running. No. The modem, would take at least some internet bandwidth? No, barely anything. I mean, it's, it's think of it as a faucet. Yeah. Like you, you know, you, you let a pool fill up the way you would let something download over night. But the second you're done with it, you turn it off. Yeah. You know, just like. It was like leave the shower on while you're gone. Mm-hm. Right. Yeah. It was, it was nice while it lasted. I know, I think you're looking at it from from a, a more pessimistic view. I think you're looking at it from like, and I'm with you there and I see how it can get dark. Like I see. Well it's definitely coming right? I mean the Comcast merger's done, we all have Time Warner in New York. Do you have Time Warner? No, I have Fios. Oh, you're lucky enough to have Fios. Yeah, I there's no Fios in my area. Well, luck is relative. So it's definitely coming if they're gonna push it over to Time Warner, too, in addition to Comcast. It's, you know, we have to see how it goes. Right now, I, I think this is more like a, a, a footnote in a, in a Comcast like business proposal. Yeah. That has the potential to be scary but has way more in the spotlight right now is what's going on with the FCC. I think it should be priority number one and look it's working. Protesting is working. There had been tens of thousands of lucid well thought out sort of complements to this idea of why net neutrality should be a thing why the open internet makes sense for the benefit of mankind. And that's what it's all about. It is, it is to protect our freedom of knowledge. Freedom to view porn. And, and all that stuff. Yes, you're ridiculous right to stream porn at an abnormal time, at an abnormal rate. They're all anyone wants. The American dream. How ever, how ever you want to use that pipe, you use it. I think, I think I'm just envisioning this horrible dystopian future where eventually, you know, right now, if you want to cut the cord, you will only pay, you know, seven bucks a month for Netflix or five bucks for Hulu if you want. But, I'm imagining this day in the future where bandwidth costs will start to offset the money you save by not getting cable. Right. And, then, you know, you'll eventually start paying more, and that balance will eventually put us back to the same position. Yes. Where we're paying the same amount, whether you want cable television or you want to watch it on your computer. I totally, right, but when you think about that, it changes nothing, right? So we've all. And I'm not saying like that's a good thing, but we wouldn't be any worse off. If all of the content we consume switches from the cable box to the internet, we wind up the slow reaction that all of these content houses and distribution companies, the glacial pace and which they sort of realize that, that, you know, that transcendence is happening. Mm-hm. They eventually pick up on it, and wind up charging you. Yeah. In direct reciprocal response of what they're missing on the old way of distribution. Mm-hm. So it makes sense that it would just eventually balance itself out. Yeah, yeah that's going to happen. It, it's I just dont want to pay as much as I do now. It's just the changing of the pipe. I agree. Cause cable's way too expensive. [CROSSTALK] There's a reason why people don't have that. Yeah. And it, and it seems to be going up at like this, slow and steady, but gradual, pace. No. And, you know, I've been paying for cable, you know, living outside of my house for half, you know, ten years now, and it's like crazy to me how when I left I was paying like $100 and now I'm paying $180. Right. I would get cable if, and I would be willing to pay more if I used literally everything that was available. Like on cable tv right now, the reason I'm not paying 150 bucks a month for it with the DVR is because I would only watch maybe ten channels, tops. You pay, do you have cable? No, I don't. But that's why I'm not buying it because I'd feel like it's a, it's just not a good value for me. You also live alone. Yeah, that's true, but me and Pena are going to move in together soon, and we've been talking about it, she doesn't want cable, because she thinks it's too expensive. All right, well there you go. I agree with her, because there's no a la carte system. That's why, that's why it works. You agree on screwing cable. Or maybe I'll get cable, and she's not allowed in the room, while I'm watching it. Yeah, I mean, look it's tough man. I would cut the cord, I really would, and people who cut the cord are in a, in an advantageous sort of position because you are, you are like cutting off that temporary, you're going to have temporary savings. Mm-hm. Because you're not paying for the whole thing. Like everything hasn't worked itself back. Yeah. To equilibrium yet. Yeah. But, yeah for now, sure. **** it. I'm, I'll only do it because I, I watch hockey and you know, I guess. Pains me to say this but I guess Bravo is the reason I. Yeah. Continue to pay for cable. That's a lot of money for two channels. I mean It is. I'm sure your. It is. There's a few others you watch two, but still. But, I mean, like, look, like, you know, you can't get away with getting HBO without paying for it. Yeah, s that ever going to happen? It may happen someday, who knows. Premium HBO stuff. Yeah. All right, well we made it through. I think we came out on the other side in tact. The next few years and more media within the next four months are going to be very interesting, so. I think so. You won't have heard the last of it. I think the protest is working. You know 10 million people can't be wrong. Yeah, right. We need more celebrities to start signing. They're there. Oliver Stone, Mark Ruffalo, they're all there. Johnny Depp. They are in support of net neutrality. Yeah, really what do we care about what those people think about the internet. We're all democratic on the web. What do you mean what do we care? We're like. What does it matter that Mark Ruffalo cares more, I mean, like I would take you or Ariel, or anyone else's opinion about this topic. But you live in the real world, you know that like, that's what matters. Like these are the people who speak in congress, these are the people who, you know, we, we have democratically elected government officials and we have pop culture elected representatives as well. Right, it's like that Chappell show, David Chappell skit. Where he like talks about Ja Rule. Yeah. Going on TV after September 11th happened. Like why does anyone care about what Ja Rule thinks about this? Well, that's different right? It's the same thing. You know. Celebrity spokesperson, give me a break. You know. You're right. It, is, it is. But, we do. And some of, look, some celebrities are smart, they're not all dummies you know? Yeah. So, I think it's okay. I am perfectly cool with Mark Ruffalo representing my opinion on net neutrality. Yeah. [UNKNOWN] I've read. No, he's a very smart dude, I've read. No. Articles he's written, I've heard him be interviewed. Him, he could speak for me, Russel Brand could speak for me. Yeah? Yeah, for sure. OK, you kidding? I would, I wish Russel Brand would just speak for me. I wish when I opened my mouth Russel Brand came out. You could fake a British accent. That'd be tight. All right. Let's finish up with a little bit more positivity. So, the other week, my cousin told me he's moving to San Francisco and he's a big cyclist, and he was asking me what I think about locking a bike up in San Francisco. Is it worth it? Is it too risky? Should he even buy a bike? [LAUGH]. Was he, was he asking you for a comparison between SF and New York? No. He was asking me which locks he should buy. Okay. And whether or not I would feel comfortable locking my bike up all day, cuz he's going there for school. Gotcha. So, you're just like, should I bring my bike? And I told him yes, but you have to have the right bike locks, and I gave him a few tips but he decided on one of those kryptonite bike locks, that you see all around New York and other places. Not really made of kryptonite. Yeah, not made of kryptonite, but super strong. And that's really bulky, you know. Like I wear those, one of those every time I go out, and I'm still paranoid about my bike. There is a new lock on the market that's currently being funded, not through Indigogo or one of these popular crowdfunding campaigns. They're doing it privately. But you can actually pre-order one right now. It's called the Skylock. And it looks like a normal U-lock, we're looking at it right here, but you see that panel on the shackle right here? Yeah, what it that? That's a solar panel. So it's the first solar power sensored U-lock. Oh, god. On the market. Nobody told them that locks don't need power. I know. Locks do need power apparently because this one actually has an accelerometer and a bluetooth built into it so. we, I think we've actually discussed bike technology before, and we're starting to see more stuff that you have in your phone put into bike locks. I think it's kinda cool, and they have a good solution to to theft. This is interesting. So what is the technology? So the Skylock, first, doesn't have a key. So you won't see, a little port for a key like you would in a normal U-lock. It's called a key hole. Key hole. Haha. The kole, you won't see the normal kole they use. The way you unlock it is, by Bluetooth. So, there's an app that connects by Bluetooth to your phone. And when you get in proximity to, in close proximity to the lock it does it for you. Nice. So, it will unlock. Or, you know, if your phone runs out of batteries or whatever you don't want to use your phone. There's actually a keypad I think underneath this this solar powered sensor that you can just type your combination into and that will open it. Cool. You can also share the lock. That's the beauty of it being online. The app lets you share access to other people, so if you want like a group or communal bicycle, you can do that. The Accelerometer; this is really cool. We need more stuff like this. The Accelerometer, built into it, lets you know when it's being tampered with. Hmm. So, a lot of times, you know, obviously, it'll take someone, five minutes or something with an angle grinder to cut through your lock. When it's being disrupted like that, it'll shoot you a message to let you know that it need help. Okay, where's the camera? No camera. Stupid. Stupid, it should take a 360 degree image of what was messing with it. The things got a solar freaking panel on it. Yeah that's great idea. And its couldn't have, how big is a camera in an iPhone? Yeah. I mean would it drive the price up yeah a little bit. It's already super expensive. It's already 250 bucks. That's more than most bicycles. You know what if you paying $250 for a fricken bike lock. You'll bump up another $50 to get a, a somewhat decent. Yeah. Grainy, photo. And and alarm, too. Yeah, put a speaker on this bad boy. Yeah, oh that would be cool. What the hell are they thinking? Or like, wouldn't it be cool if I could just call it and be like step away from the bike. Yeah, oh that's cool. Yeah Step away. [LAUGH]. Or it could have, it can have like a pre-recorded message from you. Yeah. Like, I own a gun and a shovel, step away from the bike. Yeah, at the end of the day though, a lock like this is useful because I mean, it's a bigger shackle, on the other hand. You could still cut through with an angle grinder. They said you could cut through with an angle grinder. Oh that's good that they let everyone know. The keyhole isn't the biggest pain point on a regular U lock, it's the shackle. Mm. So, if someone really wants to get through it, they can. And unfortunately we've seen videos of this online in the past, nobody in a metropolitan area will speak up if they see somebody with an angle grinder saw going through your lock. Yep, you are going to be like as you were. Yeah, not going to talk to this guy. It's in the, I don't like that we can break apart and deconstruct and find all the flaws of a product in that quick of a period of time. I know, I know. Ariel, what do you lock your bike up with? You;ve been going on a lot of rides lately. I have a u-lock and one of those like, they look kind of thin. They look like a wire. Oh yeah, cable lock. Yeah, so I have two locks. You put that through the wheel? Yeah. Yeah, that's good. I always, I would say that my main defense is just not leaving it out for too long. Like never leave it out overnight. Always make sure like the the pole you're locking to is seated in to the ground. Mm-hm. I've seen so many like, just poles that are like taken off. Dummy poles. Yeah, Well some of them, aren't even secured, you just lift. Yeah, you just lift them up and then you can slide the u-lock underneath it so you just got to be careful. Yeah, you know, that's like the one thing, I think about you guys a lot, I do, and when, when I'm not around you, and I'm like man. But having that bike stolen, that's a big deal. So dangerous being a cyclist in a metropolitan area like this. I mean if you're not about to be killed by everyone on the street. You're about to be robbed. You're about to get robbed, yes. Or hit by a car. Just one of those nice things. All right, I want to get to an email or two before we say goodbye. I had these in a rundown yesterday and never got to them. We talked about e-cigarettes last, what was it earlier this week or last week? Yeah, it was Monday. Recorders. [LAUGH] The best. Arturo writes in and says hey guys, regarding your conversation last Monday about e-cigarettes. I just wanted to say I quit smoking last August using them. Good for you Arturo. Is that quitting smoke, I mean that's quitting the act, you know what I mean. It's quitting smoke. But you're not quitting nicotine. No. No. That's, that's great then, congratulations. Yeah, cause I feel like nicotine, it's not a great drug, but it's not like the worst drug ever by it's self. [LAUGH] Is it on par with caffeine? Would you put those in the same. I'm not a doctor, I'd have to ask Josh King about that. Josh, just write in and tell us what's worse. What's the worst drug, and he'll be like both of them. He said, look the goal is to reduce the amount of nicotine you consume and then ultimately the goal is stop e-cigarettes as well. The media talks about the long term of effects. As far as I have seen. There are no immediate or short, short term effects. Scientists agree that the amount of chemicals as many times smaller than that of regular or analog cigarettes. man. But their main point of that is completely different to inhale something burned rather than in vapor form. The absorption is done differently. Bottom line, they don't really know, but after smoking two packs a day for 27 years. Mm. That's with analog cigarettes. And now I'm super psyched, I no longer smell like an ashtray, which, yeah. I, I'm with you, man, that is gross. Regarding the economy, they are much cheaper. You have to pay more up-front since you have to buy the cigarette which is like a 50 or $60 thing in some cases. But after that you just buy the e-liquid bottle. I'm not comfortable with putting e before liquid by the way, which is much cheaper in comparison to regular cigarettes. For example, $10 of a bottle. Is the same pat thing as like a carton of cigarettes. Uh-huh. So it's about 80% savings. Yeah. That's good. There you go. And, just so everyone knows, the analog tobacco companies are investing in electronic cigarettes. Yeah. Phil writes in and we're talking about how we're totally getting reamed about the carriers, right. Phil writes in and says I just finished listening to the show and you guys talked about something near and dear to my heart, cell phone bills since last month I switched to a mobile virtual network operator. Every hear of that? N-v-n-o. And I've saved a lot of money. If you don't know what they are, they are wireless communications service providers that buy wireless services from the four major carriers in bulk. These service providers then sell the services to consumers at whatever price they would like. Usually half the cost of the carrier they bought it from. Initially, I was skeptical of these services, but after using one of them for the last month, I think they are the real deal. I bought a SIM card from Net 10 that uses AT&T to deliver, and it delivered unlimited talk, text, 2.5 gigs of data for $50, half of what I'd paid with the carrier. Mm-hm. I don't work for them, I'm just telling you, you should know that. I've never, I didn't know about MVNOs. There's gotta be a catch, right? I mean, they would be losing a ton of money if they just bought them at a certain price and sold for less. The catch is that you, the catch is that you probably gotta pay for a cell phone. I mean I don't know what it is. Phil if you wanna write back and let us know, but yeah. Hmm, MVNOs. Interesting. Tell us more, MVNO people. Who are you? Where do you come from? What do you use? Do you have to buy the phone? That's interesting. How much did you say is a month? 50. 50 bucks for unlimited talk, text and 2.5 gigs of data, which I never come close to using in a month. Yeah. You just need that wifi switch, you know I bet you like having an iPod Touch is still like the best thing every. Oh, right. Cause you can just always use that wifi baby. I don't know if you can faintly hear the sounds of drilling and construction, but over the next couple of months, we may be interrupted casually by such sounds. So just keep that in the back of your head. This entire office is getting flattened, all right. We're not there yet but they soon will be moving our studio, so just want to let everyone know that. All right, time for us to say goodbye. Shoot us an email,, and then get us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, and all that fun stuff. Again Monday, Katy Leninthal, Tuesday, Reggie freakin' Watts. How cool is that? I'm super psyched. All right. So you gotta a lot to look forward to. Have a fantastic weekend, wherever you're at. That will do it for us, until Monday. I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Justin Yu. I'm Ariel Nunez. This has been the 404 Show. High-tech, low brow. And we'll see you guys on Monday. [MUSIC].

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