-In all honesty, the two of you will be forever linked for founding Apple, for pranks that we hear that two played in high school.
Is there one memory in particular than that when you heard the news one memory of your time with Steve Jobs that really stick out to you or pop in your head.
-No, when I heard the news, my mind just went blank like I've been clobbered with a hammer.
I didn't expect more than anyone else.
-Even though he--
-You know, overnight, a lot of the memories, things that we did together, how important they were, they way that Steve thought and he talked and, you know, his leadership from the early days and the way he found the things, you know, it's like my head is swirling in it.
-Take us back to those early days, what was it like the 2 of you, you know, interested in a lot of the same things?
You have this great energy, this great curiosity and ultimately you end up with your company,
changing fundamentally the way we all do things across this world.
What did you though set out to do when the 2 of you created Apple?
-It was actually and unbelievably fortunate partnership, but spoke a lot of life and the passion for life and the energy to do things.
Steve and I used to in those days talk about where life was going for people.
What was important, what was right and what was good and where did things like government fail to fit and companies and great thinking and those ideas.
My role was the key technologist, the scientist, the engineer that was building all these devices one after another, after another and Steve was spotting them and seem find ways to sell them and talking about where they could go, when talking about enhancements and improvements that will take it to the next level.
He was always trying to move to the next level, to the next level, to the next level.
He was almost push by high anxiety and I was just sitting there designing the things I wanted for myself,
-and it was, you know, so wonderful and we did all the things that young people do, misbehavior, playing around, flings, talking about ideas that we features that we could put in the products that sort of thing.
-Are you talking--
-So, and he was just, but you know, over time, really after I stayed in the background.
I didn't wanna run a company.
Steve really excelled as like the most incredible person and business person and technology person in the world and almost no one could really bring the products
that home run after home run after home run and that brought him the credibility that when Steve introduce something there were millions of people would buy at that instant because they trusted it, you know, it's just hard that a person could ever gotten to that position and I know it's so sad for all of us because now we're worried that are we gonna miss what that would have brought us in our future.
-As you spoke with him over the last few months, I know you saw him the iPad 2 launch
and he was obviously struggling with his health for a long time.
It would seem that he was the person who really liked to control things whether it was his company, whether it was launch.
How difficult do you think it was for him that he could not control this illness that was slowly taking so much away from him?
-Steve spoke to me of the illness more recently than a few months ago as something that really did bother him.
He said, he did not like fact that he had been closed to death
and sort of survived and it kind of surprised me because a bit he's got a logical mind that understands, you know, as he is quoted in a saying that death is really an affirmation of life as part of the circle and, you know, once you healthy thinking like that, you're not necessarily bother, but he spoke like he was very bother by it and I don't try to delve in the people's lives, so I didn't ask him questions.