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Car Tech: SEMA auto show

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Hot of the heels of the event, CNET's car tech editor Antuan Goodwin joins Brian Tong to answer your questions about SEMA and car tech in general.

^M00:00:01 [ Music ] ^M00:00:05 >> Brian Tong: All right what's up guys? Welcome to Editors' Office Hours. You know how we do it--it's 11:30 a.m. West Coast time. I'm here joined with Associate Editor Antuan Goodwin who covers the Car Tech scene. >> Antuan: How are you doing? What's up guys? >> Brian Tong: Doing good. This is the first time we've worked together right? Don't be afraid I don't bite too much, too hard. All right so what we're here to talk about is Antuan's fresh out of SEMA, covered that show, we're going to talk about it. Tell me a little bit more about what it's really about and some of the things you saw. If you guys want to be involved in this, this is all about you. We have our Chat Box below us but currently it looks like it may not be functioning properly, but a good thing is that we have our question window up here in the right hand corner. All you have to do is create a profile with CNET, if you don't have one, a user name, a password and your e-mail and then you can send us questions directly, and we need you to help us out so we can get you all the information you need. So first up Antuan, how...I guess...did you just get back from SEMA? >> Antuan: Yeah I just got back. I was up there for the first half of this week and SEMA is basically the big aftermarket automotive parts show where all of the people who make engine modifications, suspension modifications, all of the tuning shops, the car stereo guys, they're all up there and they're all showcasing their wares is pretty much where everybody whose everybody, and aftermarket car stuff gets together to... >> Brian: So it's like more of a commercial pimp my ride type, it's like pimp my ride but is it all under the hood or is it all like exterior stuff? >> Antuan: Well it's pretty much everything. If you've...car customizers they cover the whole gamut. You've got your low rider guys who are looking for something that's just very esthetically pleasing and long and low in chrome and you've got your tuner guys and they've got their imports and it's all about carbon fiber, race looks, nice car stereos, you've got your luxury guys. There's a little bit of everything. I mean the mix there is just really good. There are a lot of older guys who are into restoring old rat rides and stuff like that, big truck guys with some huge lifted vehicles where the floor board is taller than my head. >> Brian: So you would need like a ladder to get inside the car? >> Antuan: I would assume or a grappling hook. >> Brian: Now what were some of...I guess at SEMA what were maybe three things that really you saw and you loved that stuck out and you'll always remember? >> Antuan: One of the things that was really cool was I guess the Camaro, the 2010 Camaro has already been kind of revealed, but it was the official car of SEMA. >> Brian: I'm excited about that. >> Antuan: Yeah so Chevy had like a big deal at the beginning where they brought out I think about five different concepts. There was a Camaro Black which was all black with black wheels, black interior; it was really stealth with some red headlight halos like the BMW's have. >> Brian: We have some of the pictures on our site. >> Antuan: Yeah they're at cars.cnet.com and the Car Tech blog. So there's a lot of really cool Camaro stuff going on. Subaru was out there and I'm a big kind of tuner guy so I really like my little Japanese imports. So there was a lot of really...there were a lot of booth babes. Some of them were of a higher caliber than others but they were there. >> Brian: Depending on the scale of the company role. >> Antuan: Yes definitely. And then the thing that I'm gonna remember the most is that Keiichi Tsuchiya, the Drift King, and he was helping Honda unveil some models that he worked with them on tuning the suspension for and so I got to meet him and he was really cool. >> Brian: Oh nice. Are you big into the drifting scene or just a car guy in general? >> Antuan: Well really into car stuff in general. So when I guess drifting first came onto the scene in America, I really paid a lot of attention to it so I've got like Tsuchiya videos at home on DVD so it was really cool to meet him in person. >> Brian: Yeah and if you watched Fast and the Furious, Tsuchiya drift it's not like that. >> Antuan: No it's not. I don't think there's any drifting going on in parking decks. >> Brian: No or on a hill or tracks or anything like that. What are some of trends though that you kind of felt coming out of SEMA that you saw that really stuck out like looks like people are really going in this direction or have trends kind of changed? >> Antuan: A couple of trends that I've seen changes...well I guess things that I didn't see this year were I saw a lot less of the dunks, is what you call them, the old American cars that are lifted up with the big 40-inch wheels. >> Brian: The fat wheels. >> Antuan: I didn't see a single one of those there and that was interesting because I figured that trend would be gaining...well I'm from the South so I used to see a lot of that at home so I assume that would be gaining some sort of momentum but I mean maybe it's falling off a little bit or maybe they just didn't come out. Something that I did see a lot of is a lot of muscle cars, a lot of Camaros, a lot of Challengers; it seemed like everybody had a Camaro or a Challenger in their booth somewhere, whether it was a suspension company or an engine modification company. There was a lot of that. And then another thing that I saw a lot of was a lot of green stuff. So whether it was a full long like Hybrid, like a Nissan Sentra race car... >> Brian: Oh really so they're putting Hybrid, they're making like race cars Hybrids or they're showcasing that fact that it could be done. >> Antuan: Yeah because I mean electric engine is pretty much 100% torque right off the line so it's a really good engine for racing if you can harness the battery tech. Or there were a lot of ethanol via coal of alternative vehicles so there was a lot of green. It was really funny because there's a section called Making Green Cool and right in the middle of it was a huge Hummer, so I don't know if it was just in the wrong spot. There wasn't a lot of information about it but it was very odd. >> Brian: Didn't like the Governator have like a dream Hummer or something like that? >> Antuan: What was it? What was the whole thing? >> Brian: Well he's like the...he's kind of known for owning these huge Hummer H1's so I don't know if he has a green one or if he has it colored green, but for some reason I thought he had one that was like eco-friendly. I don't know, I heard that a long ago. Okay well what we have is we've got a bunch of questions from you guys. I guess we'll just take them down the line if that's cool with you. You want to do that? >> Antuan: Yeah. >> Brian: Okay we'll start down here and [inaudible] was able to get us some of these questions. He asked or she asked "What is the must have car tech gadget right now? >> Antuan: The must-have gadget is at this point anything that is iPod integrated. iPods are hot; they've been hot for years so pretty much iPod integration kits, whether it's like a car stereo that has the ability to read the iPod information straight off of the USB port; or whether it's some sort of a factory integration kit where you can keep your factory stereo. IPod integration seems to be the must-have feature. Another thing that I'm also seeing a lot of is Blue Tooth integration because a lot of places are passing the hands-free laws, car stereo manufacturers are starting to...and actually even car manufacturers themselves are starting to integrate Blue Tooth hands-free into just about every vehicle on their lineup because it's really cheap to add to a vehicle. It adds a lot of value if you don't have to go out and buy something that you have to charge separately. Hand in hand with the Blue Tooth hands-free integration is we're also seeing a lot of car stereos that have the Blue Tooth stereo streaming over the ATDP protocol, so if you are the kind of person that keeps a lot of music on your cell phone or something, then you can actually just pop in your car with your cell phone synced to your head unit or your receiver and get your calls over the Blue Tooth, and also play your music through the stereo without having to shuffle through CD's or plug things up to ports--that's actually pretty cool. >> Brian: That's pretty slick. Okay excellent. We can look at this because I don't know if yours might be refreshing or not. Here's I guess is a personal question. What do you think of the Scion xB? I guess their first of gen versus the current version? >> Antuan: I think Scion in general as a brand and particularly the xB is a great blank pallet vehicle. I don't really care for the esthetic but I know people who absolutely love it. >> Brian: It's a love-hate in a breadbox. >> Antuan: Their actual ad campaign was love it or hate it and so they were just like either you're gonna love this vehicle or you're gonna think it's the worse thing ever and you need to go somewhere else. It's very unapologetic. I guess for example they at SEMA there were a lot of Scions booths had a lot of different takes on the xB. There were a couple chop models where the roof was chopped and dropped with big wheels; there was one model where pretty much the entire center roof section had been carved out of the vehicle so you could look straight down in to it, and then there were huge stereo systems in the back area. >> Brian: There was like a line in the center like you just peek right into it? >> Antuan: I mean like from pillar to pillar. There was no roof. There was like a pillar going up from the windshield and then the two pillars going back that formed the door rails and then that was it. It was just open air. The good thing about the xB if you're in to car stereos there is a ton of space in there to stuff amps and subs so it's really good blank pallet vehicle to start from. >> Brian: Okay excellent. Next question we have is: "I have an iPod touch. There's no auxiliary input on my car and no cassette deck. Is my only option to get audio from my player and FM tuner and can you recommend one?" >> Antuan: Depending on your car you might be able to get one of these iPod integration kits where you integrate with your factory stereo. But nine times out of ten it's usually cheaper, easier, and it yields a better overall benefit to your car audio experience if you just yank the stock model out and put in an aftermarket head unit that has the iPod integration or an aux in. The iPod integration is going to be better than the aux and like hands down just because you're going to get a better sound quality because there's not going to be any digital to analog conversion outside of the head unit; and then also you're going to be able to control some menus, cue your menus to your tracks; you're going to spend less time with your iPod in your hand scrolling through the quick click wheel or going through your menus when you're supposed to be looking at the road. >> Brian: Supposed to be driving right? >> Antuan: Supposed to be. >> Brian: Also when you talked about potentially getting a new deck that's exactly what I did. You can go to the store--they're around like 79, 99 bucks to have the auxiliary input in, swap out your stock deck, get a new one and that will save you a bunch right there. Also the audio fidelity is going to be better than an FM tuner, especially around here with the competing frequencies that you get and I still get to really fine a true clear... >> Antuan: Well yeah if you live in Nebraska and there are no radio stations and no offense to our Nebraska viewers, if there aren't a lot of radio stations around where you are, an FM tuner is a really cheap way to get your integration if you're just absolutely lazy and don't want to replace it. But if you live anywhere near an urban environment or anywhere near a place where there are a lot of radio stations, where there's a lot of people basically, you're also getting a lot of interference from other people with FM tuners. >> Brian: I've actually had that happen in a friend's car where like there was like a stop light and then we started hearing like another...like this shadow of a song like what the hell was that. >> Antuan: I've actually done that on purpose for a friend of mine where we were trailing each other and I just turned to the FM and found the same station they were listening to on the FM tuner. We were listening to the same stuff in two different cars. >> Brian: Ok you would recommend...is there any FM tuner that you do like or that you've seen a brand that you kind of would say try this out? >> Antuan: Off the top of my head, Belkin makes some pretty good ones but I mean you'll want to definitely look for one that'll automatically tune. You don't want to sit there and have to guess and check and find a station. Look for one that will automatically tune and then also there are a lot of web services that you can put in your zip code and it will find you like 10 or 12 really good blank stations; and I can't think of those off the top of my head but Google it. >> Brian: Solid. All right next one. Can you recommend a good Blue Tooth hands-free device? Any favorites of yours? >> Antuan: If you don't want to stick something in your ear, then we have the Motorola T505; that was our Editor's choice and it's a Blue Tooth hands-free, it's a speaker phone so you clip it to your visor. It's really cool because the sound quality's good. It's got a built-in FM transmitter so that you can actually send the call through your car stereo speakers. So if the speaker in it is not loud enough then you can also use your car speakers and it will also do A2 DP Blue Tooth audio streaming from your phone to the FM transmitter in your car so it's really versatile in what it will do. >> Brian: How much is it about? >> Antuan: It's less than 200 bucks. >> Brian: Okay, okay that's doable. Ok cool. Actually for people that want a headset we've reviewed the Jawbone 2 and the BlueAnt V1 that has the voice commands on it and those are both really slick headsets. We price fighted them actually and I believe they ended up, if I recall right, I believe those two ended up tied when we matched them with five categories. They were both Editors' headsets as well so you can't really go wrong if you're looking for an actual earpiece. Okay. Here's a question from Diddy Man. Diddy Man asks, "Did they showcase anything in the car [inaudible] domain? Any mods like computer's [inaudible] thrown in there or anything of that nature? >> Antuan: Hyundai had a Genesis Sedan that just came out. They had one that was [inaudible] by Ride's Magazine and it had two Mac mini computers, a Mac Book Pro, a Mac Book Air an iPod touch an iphone 3G, a 30-inch cinema display, a in-car internet connection through wireless that was connected through a Wi-Fi network that would support up to 250 people, so you could actually go over to their booth, flip out your laptop, connect to the Internet through their car and browse. It wasn't the fastest experience but I mean it was there. So as far as car computing, it was probably one of the craziest installs that there was. I mean the Mac mini is a really good computer. You can stuff it in your trunk, stuff it under a seat, a lot of people who built custom systems that have computers will use a Mac mini. I didn't see too much other than that. There were a couple of people who were marketing what are for all intents and purposes, Netbooks that you can put Velcro in the bottom of and flip upside down and stick on your roof and the screen would automatically flip but not really what I would consider true car [inaudible]. >> Brian: So what we have it we actually have a video coming up and we're going to...keep on sending your questions while the video is going through. We're going to look through them and get to all of them that we can. So we'll be back in a few seconds and we'll see you soon. >> There's a little more company in the rarified world of AMG and M-cars. Make room for Lexus first production Monster car, the IS-F. ^M00:16:08 [ Music ] ^M00:16:15 >> Now one of the big stars of this car leaves in this neighborhood. The dual overhead cam, five liter, V8. First of all now look at these modules. I believe is part of the complex valve timing that is adjustable for both intake and exhaust valves. Similarly dual, is the intake setup on the plenum here. Down in there is an intake that has different paths for low and medium RPM and for higher RPM. And yet with all this Braun, we're doing pretty good on the economy--4.6 seconds from zero to 60 but you're still getting 16 city, 23 highway rated. Now even the RISF is loaded with all the latest cabin tech. If you're looking for this car to break new ground in that area, keep looking. No hard drive, no HD radio, it's feeling alone in the tooth in a really excellent way. Our map and menu and general vision interface remains one of the best in the business. I love the quality of the look of the Lexus screen. The base audio rig in this car is called Lexus premium sound--13 speakers in-dash 6-disc CD changer. It would have an aux jack and I saw would because we have the Levinson navigation package, more speakers and surround sound ability. Plus, this system is CD and DVD compatible. They also roll up the Bluetooth hands-free communication and the backup camera when you put this guy in reverse. Now check this out--even with the Levinson system you still don't have iPod or XM. Those are ala carte, separate dealer-installed options, but even worse you cannot have an iPod adapter and XM radio. Also our car has the PCS Acc option. You know what that is. Of course you don't. Pre-collision system and adaptive cruise control. So the pre-collision of course is what's going to tighten things up, pre-brake, pre-arm the bags and the belts if you're about to hit something and of course adaptive cruise so you can set a distance in cruise control and the car will maintain that depending on what's ahead of you and your maximum speed set. Now all that gobs of power goes out to a one choice only 8-speed automatic. Here's the stick, pretty traditional gait and you come on over to the left to manually influence over here on the stick, or go for the very best [inaudible] mounted pedals I think I've used yet. They're really stiff and firm and crisp. And tying all that power train together is something they call VDIM--Vehicle Dynamic Integrated Management or some mumbo jumbo like that. It takes every system in the car and ties it together. It has three levels--there's normal, there's sport, and there's off. In the normal mode, this button's going to basically baby you. In the sport mode, they say it backs off a little and it's going to catch you when you're closer to the precipus of really making a nervous wreck out of your insurance agent. And in the off mode well, you know what that means, all bets are off. Oh by the way when you buy your IS-F, set up a special account for tires. You're going to need the money because these butterballs are going to wear out like that. There's a sticker on the window that guarantees it. ^M00:19:12 [ Music ] ^M00:19:17 >> Now we'd sure like to see a manual gearbox offered but at least this automatic can be both civilized and savaged by terms. The transmission programming handles through autoblipse [assumed spelling] on downshift real nicely and upshifts are what they should be--tight, fast and hard. Underway you immediately realize this car is not a daily driver. The suspension is sprung hard and in about a mile of real world driving you're already missing your other car. Yeah I know the IS-F is a specialty car but the C-63 and the M-3 do about the same thing without making your backside regret it. The body styling is perhaps the most audacious in its class. If you can afford this car and are young enough to not look stupid driving it, my hat's off to you. Handling is of course, amply sharp and able. You need to get on the track to come anywhere near utilizing it responsibly. The IS-F base is a little under 57 grand. The Levinson Nav Bluetooth rear camera package adds almost 4,000 more. Another 2850 gets you radar cruise and that pre-collision system, neither of which seem like a stylistic fit for a car like this. >> Brian: All right guys. Now you've got a chance to check out that car for yourself right? >> Antuan: Yeah. >> Brian: What were some of your observations? You gave us some insider information while watching the video. It's fast. >> Antuan: It is very fast and it's faster than I thought it would be. I mean it's got that huge engine in it but it's got a regular kind of automatic transmission. It's not one of the fancy dual clutch models. And so it's the automatic transmission and if it's not a Mercedes I'm just like whatever. It's a waste of time. But its got 8 gears. We were doing zero to 60 runs in it and you only use the first two but it is quick. >> Brian: See you're lucky because there's not many people that can see yeah I get to like check out cars and test them zero to 60 all the time. >> Antuan: The worse part is nobody I know ever gets to see me in them. >> Brian: That's right. You're like talking about them I guess. >> Antuan: Yeah I want to go by somebody's house and beep the horn and say, "Hey guys what's up? Look what I'm in this week." >> Brian: Now you also talked about the exhaust on the back? >> Antuan: Yeah it's pretty funny because it's got those quad exhausts like two number eights, and it does actually have a true dual exhaust coming back from the engine, but those quad tips are just for show and they're not actually connected to the actual muffler. So if you get down on your hands and knees behind the car and actually look down the pipe, you'll see two standard single exhaust tips coming out and a bit of a blank space, and then those two quad tips that are attached to the bumper and you can actually stick your hand up between it and see that there's nothing there. >> Brian: Look at that. I bet you never knew that. I didn't know that. We've got Antuan inside our scoop right? >> Antuan: Yeah it's a good esthetic but kind of a waste of weight. >> Brian: Okay well we're gonna jump back into the questions. We've got a ton of them so we're gonna try and crash through as many as we can. First one, this is from I'm so Fly and I'm so Fly asks, "Is there any info on Hybrid models that you saw at SEMA?" >> Antuan: There some really interesting kind of Hybrids. There was for example a Nissan Hybrid that was based off of an Ultima that was built up to be a full blown race car, like racing brake kits, racing wheels, engine upgrades, to the gasoline portion of the engine. Full race interior, nice really cool green paint job. It was a really cool looking car. And I think that the addition of the electric engine adding that bottom end torque and just a general boost to the engine is kind of a cool thing to think about. There were a couple of interestingly kind of tricked out Prius's. >> Brian: A tricked out Prius? >> Antuan: Tricked out Prius, suicide doors, orange paint job, orange seats, stock dashboard. >> Brian: Did it still not look cool though? >> Antuan: I didn't even recognize it as a Prius at first because you just don't expect to see that thing. It was really odd. Aside from that, there weren't a lot of actual Hybrid announcements or Hybrid updates that happened at SEMA but there are the bigger, I guess, more manufacturer focused as far as the OEM car shows like the LA Auto Show that's coming up in a couple of weeks, there should probably be some really good announcements from the automakers there. >> Brian: Okay excellent. Now this question is from Miss America '08, "What was the most innovative car advancement you saw at SEMA this year? I was under the impression that there were a slew of amazing things." >> Antuan: Well there were some really interesting things. As far as advancements. I'm gonna say, I can't think of any real good advancements. >> Brian: Is it also at SEMA because like you said it's a lot more about tricking out the car. It's really like large car shows by the manufacturers where they're gonna say this is our next step in car technology? >> Antuan: Well see the thing about SEMA is that the emphasis and I guess when people start modifying their cars it's all about performance, whether it's audio performance or show car performance or straight line performance whatever, it's usually about performance. I guess some of the really interesting I guess performance upgrades I saw were there were some really cool advancements and what is that car I was thinking about just a second ago? Oh yeah VW was there with their CC performance concept, and it's their eco performance concept so it had this three-stage turbocharger made into the 2 cylinder, excuse me, 4 cylinder, 2.0 liter engine and it had basically three stages so you could flip switches and put the turbo in different modes. The first mode was the performance mode which had a heaping helping of like horsepower somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 horsepower, same amount of torque. Then there was a regular mode that reduced the horsepower a little bit, then there was an eco mode that was pretty close to the stock horsepower, but actually got better fuel economy than the stock model. So there they had a vehicle that used turbo charging and direct injection technology to give you a really high performance car and a very economical car that used conventional gasoline. There was no need for a different infrastructure or batteries to lug around. You can have all of that in one vehicle. The really cool thing is that even the high performance mode got slightly better gas mileage than the stock model, so I don't really know how they did that but it was crazy. >> Brian: So this kind of I mean is a follow up and it's kind of funny how you did talk about that. J.M. Foser, J.M. Fos referred to the VW of performance CC and he did mention great mileage but why do you think they can't get that mileage on the stock CC? >> Antuan: Well because the think about stock vehicles versus modified vehicles is they don't want people I guess flipping around a lot of switches or doing things that could put the car in danger or it has to meet all parameters. It has to be crash safe, it has to get decent gas mileage, it has to be decent performance, it has to have a nice interior, it has to have Bluetooth, you have to have all of these things in a vehicle. So they have to make a lot of compromises to I guess make a vehicle that's a jack of all trades. Now when you go to a concept vehicle or a tuner vehicle, VW partnered with APR; they're a tuner company that I guess makes turbochargers, and they partnered with APR to make this eco performance CC and they could throw a lot of these things out of the window. They could say, "All right we're gonna crank the boost all the way up to this or we're gonna like sacrifice this amount of performance in the eco mode for better fuel economy." They could make these sacrifices and step outside of that envelope of things like crashworthiness or weight reduction or general cabin comfort because nobody's gonna sit in this car for 10, 20 minutes at a time. They can toss in these lightweight Ricaro [assumed spelling] seats that are just not comfortable because they weigh less and they look cool. But people are going to be driving around in just a CC for a long period of time are not going to want to sit in these Ricaro, so there are fewer compromises when it comes to tuner cars or concepts like the eco performance model. >> Brian: Okay cool. This is a question from Diddy Man, "I don't know about this but maybe you have an idiocy and this may not be the right question for discussion but is there anyway to put an auxiliary input into an aftermarket car stereo that doesn't have one?" >> Antuan: It depends on the stereo. Some car stereos don't have an auxiliary on the front, but they may have RCA ports on the back for an input for a CD changer or they may have pigtails hanging off the back. For something like that you can just go to Radio Shack, get an RCA 2/8th inch adapter, plug them in there and find some where to route it through your glove compartments and boom you can plug that straight in and it will give you that line input. Some models don't have that and if that don't have any sort of line-in anywhere, then the only real way to add a line into that would be to actually crack the shell open and start soldering connections to junk. You screw that up and you're out of a head unit anyway. So unless it has some sort of auxiliary unit on the back that you're not seeing, there is no way to do it not without being a computer engineer. >> Brian: Also some of my buddies with their car I mean it's not too common, but if their car came configured with a five-disc CD changer, there was actually some kind of controller or device that they were able to connect to that that essentially over rid going to the disc controller and then allow them to plug in their iPod to it. >> Antuan: Yeah usually some sort of a proprietary connection but I mean it depends on your car; it depends on the head unit. >> Brian: Okay. We are at 12:00 so I guess we'll just answer maybe one more question. This question is from Nicotina and here she asks, "Have either of you used a backup camera? Do you think it will eventually be a standard feature?" >> Antuan: I swear by backup cameras. >> Brian: You love them? >> Antuan: Yeah a lot of the vehicles that we test come with backup cameras and a lot of the head units that we test have the ability to add a backup camera for an additional cost and you just have to run the wires yourself. They're awesome. They don't replace the rearview mirror so don't start looking at the monitor and just backing up because they have like a pretty wide field. >> Brian: It's like a fisheye. >> Antuan: Yeah it's like a fisheye. So usually they have a very wide field of view but they also have a very low field of view. They're usually looking at the ground behind you or adult hood level, and they also usually won't cover your blind spots so you're still gonna want to use your mirrors, but especially on things like SUV's where you have a really big blind spot or pickup trucks, but they're really, really useful just for having that extra bit of comfort and then actually being able to see your bumper when you're doing something like parallel parking; and knowing that you're not about to hit that car behind you when you need a little more space to crank the wheel. I swear by them. Some of the more advanced models will actually and even like in some of the premium cars, will overlay like a line on the road that will show you when you turn the wheel you're going this way and when you turn the wheel you're going to go that way, so you can predict where you're going and that's really helpful for parallel parking as well. >> Brian: I mean I've just used kind of the basic one and they're very useful. Do you think though that it will be a standard feature? >> Antuan: I don't think so. I don't think it will ever be standard because mirrors are ultimately super cheap and they're going to want to keep the cost down on some vehicles. I mean a lot of vehicles in I guess the upper level of the different manufacturers model lineups, it is standard but I don't think it will ever be standard across the board. >> Brian: Okay well there you go. Antuan thanks for coming out. >> Antuan: Thanks for having me. >> Brian: He has a lot of info in his head. You guys know on Monday we will be back here same time, 11:30 a.m. West Coast, 2:30 p.m. East Coast. Tom Merritt will be in the house just to talk about stuff and things. Anything you guys want you can hit us up so we will see you then next time and thanks for checking out Editors' Office Hours. >> Antuan: See you. ^M00:32:11 [ Music ] ^M00:32:15

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