Ep. 955: Wing and a prayer

[ Music ] ^M00:00:07 [ Background Music ] >> Today is Friday, April 17th, 2009. >> I'm Natalie Del Conte. >> I'm Jeff Bakalar. >> And I'm Jason Howell. >> Welcome to Buzz Out Loud, CNET's podcast of indeterminate length. This is episode 955. Welcome Jeff Bakalar. >> Yeah. >> Thank you very much, Natalie and Jason. >> See now, now you're in our house. >> This is great, this is fun, I like sitting in Justin's sit over here, brings back some memories. >> Yeah, that's right. That was your original seat when Randall Bennett used to drive the 404. >> Then he used to drive it, it was--yeah, I miss it. I miss sitting here. >> With less responsibility, oh yeah just having to like-- >> I know. >> Like hands here. >> Well just because your in that seat today doesn't mean you can fool around. I expect you to participate. >> You might be disappointed. >> I expect brilliance. >> Alright, hey, it's early in the morning but we'll make it happen. >> Okay, well we are a little early today because Jason is having to hop a plane back to San Francisco. >> Yeah. Unfortunately I booked it on Pacific Time and not East Coast Time. >> Next time you know. [ Laughter ] >> Yeah, so I really kind of screwed it up so we have to swap with the 404 so thanks for letting us do your time slot. >> Hey, our pleasure man. >> We do what we want. >> Yeah, clearly we have no choice, though. >> You know what else, who else does what they want is Time Warner Cable. Time Warner has announced that they are going to put their plans for billing ala carte for broadband on the back burner. They're saying that customers didn't really understand it. They had a really hard time rolling out. It didn't go so well in Belmont. This is the first time they're actually admitting that it didn't go well in Belmont, Texas because they rolled it out and they're like it's great, everyone's gonna love it. We're gonna take it nationwide. Now they're saying we're not gonna take it nationwide but we're gonna continue to educate consumers about consumption base billing and just not commit to it yet. >> I mean, it didn't work when AOL used to do it or I don't know if it worked but people were like-- >> Oh, per minute for dial up. >> I mean it's the same sort of thing like time spent equals like you know bandwidth used, you know. >> I guess so. >> Some sort of thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it didn't work out that well. >> I forgot that that even existed. That's so long ago. >> Remember that? >> Yeah. >> Dude, I got 5 hours left of my AOL. [ Laughter ] >> That's so true. >> Totally you're gonna, going to give chat rooms. [ Laughter ] >> I'll chat room like crazy with the rest of my 2 hours. Yeah, it's true. >> So they're shelving this for good or is this just kind of an "oh, until we can figure out some other ways to sneak it in there," type thing? >> I think that's basically the message. They're saying that they didn't have the right measurement, rules that really let consumers understand. So what, we don't know exactly what it was really like on their end. It could be that people just stopped using the internet 'cause they were like oh well, I do wanna be charged for everything I do. So maybe they used their cell connections at home more, maybe they used more internet at work, or maybe they just stopped to see new subscriptions but obviously this was not good for their growth model. >> Especially in Texas, the fattest state in the union. >> Oh, you're gonna get it for that. >> They need all you can eat sort of, you know, like Americans need all you can eat access you know like gym memberships, well I don't know about Texas, but gym memberships like go as much as you want for the month. >> Right. >> Internet, get as much as you want. >> We want veritable broadband buffet. >> Exactly, like I said. >> Well and especially because that's what we've always had. Up until now it has been a buffet. And now they're telling you gotta the eat sides out. >> Yeah, no way. Don't knock me out of line, I'm waiting here. >> Actually I believe the Center for Disease Control says that Mississippi is the fattest. >> Well, I know Texas has like 5 out of the 10 fattest cities. >> And when you say fat, that's a PH right like phat pads. >> No, I mean like get your ass on a treadmill. >> Oh. [ Laughter ] >> I was trying to save us. >> You watch your language over there. This is good. This is not the 404. >> I was really trying to save us there so back off, please. [ Laughter ] >> Well I quoted the Center for Disease Control. So if we're really gonna throw out statistics we might as well just be accurate. Alright, speaking of being accurate the Electronic Frontier Foundation is going up against the United States Sentencing Commission to ask them to reject modifications to federal sentencing guidelines that will require extra prison time for people who use technology to hide their location or identity. So basically if you commit a crime they are thinking you should just be penalized for that crime not extra penalization because you somehow used technology to hide your identity. >> Okay, that's weird. >> Yeah, well I would--I would imagine that anyone that's kind of breaking the law like outside of this technological kind of angle is circumventing some sort of you know, it's doing the same type of thing in an analog type way, you know, trying not to get caught there. It's the same thing here so why would this, you know why would a VPN suddenly raise you know that level of kind of enforcement. >> Yeah. No, you would imagine what happens off line and online are sort of the same sort of crime like-- >> Right, exactly. >> You know. >> Criminals always trying to cover their tracks, you know how you could say that they deserve more prison time for covering their tracks online with a tool such as this versus something that's you know out in the real world. >> Right, it's like getting more sentence time because you wore a nylon over your head to rob a convenience store. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah. >> It's just a digital nylon over your head. >> That's all. >> Right. >> You know. It's the digital mask, digital joker mask. That's all. [ Laughter ] >> So thank you to Nick for sending that one along. >> Yeah, let's see what do we got. We got a new T-Mobile Sidekick officially announced the 3G LX. >> That's right. This is the new Sidekick. I got a chance to play with that a couple of weeks ago. It was announced officially today. They're gonna have some kind of big slinky party that Wilson, Mark, and I are gonna go to on Tuesday and then it's not gonna come out though until the middle of May. So it's all this kind of mile markers to get us all hyped up about the Sidekick. I don't know how hyped up are we about the Sidekick. >> I had the first one ever, that first Sidekick. >> Oh, did you? >> It was like the black and white one. Yeah, that was not good. [Laughter] I'm not--yeah, I don't know. >> It wasn't good? >> I didn't like it. I got rid of it. >> Yeah, you didn't like the little flip action. >> No, you know it was [simultaneously talking] for the first time I'm like dude, check it out I can get kind of half a web page on here. [ Laughter ] >> Yeah, right, right. >> You know I mean yeah, they've come along but. >> They have definitely come along but. >> Sidekick doesn't do it for me. >> They were the teeny bopper phone of I wanna say the early 2000. >> For sure, hands down. >> Right. Although you know in my meeting with Sidekick, I've brought my notes, they said that 40 percent of Sidekick users are 27 and up. >> Really, hmm. >> That's their metric, not mine. >> I wouldn't have guessed that. >> They could be wrong. >> It is surprising. >> I would have guessed it to be a little bit younger, I think. >> Yeah. >> Exactly, so I also have in my notes here they said that it's gonna have nicer screen. It has upload videos to YouTube and all your social media. >> I like that. >> It's the first 3G of them all. It has GPS, live search, turn by turn, all that stuff. It also has exchange corporate outlook--corporate exchange as well so they're trying to make this not only the fun cool teeny bopper phone but also you can get your work email. >> I'm not gonna lie, I kinda want to see this thing now. >> It's really thin, it's nice looking, you can change out this--the box so that they're whatever color you want. >> Yeah. >> So. >> I can't imagine being at a corporate meeting flipping out my Sidekick. >> I know. >> Yeah. >> Hold on for a second. >> Hold on mister, Mr. Preston. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> --especially 'cause there are some but there's no WiFi which is kind of bummer. >> Which is which is WiFi is definitely becoming one of those features that you hope to have in these devices. >> And I feel like everything has WiFi. They couldn't throw in this little you know tiny chip. >> We're getting there. >> All these that it's so me to these days with these bits of technology and as we get more used to the extra features that they add in, we almost expect it. We're like the expectant age you know of technology where as soon as the new type of feature that's pretty cool is introduced in something, everything has got to have it, it sucks. >> Exactly, we're the cake and eat it too generation. >> Yes, we are. [ Laughter ] >> Right. I asked them why they didn't put Android on this, why not a Sidekick with Android 'cause that would be kind of cool. >> For sure. >> And they're like mah, whatever, maybe in the future. >> That's what they said, mah? >> Kind of. That was their-- >> Our official answer to that is mah, but-- [ Laughter ] >> It's in the press release actually. >> Mah, nice. >> Yeah. It will cost 199 dollars if you're an existing Sidekick user, 249 dollars for everyone else or 449 if you want to get it unlocked and go on a prepaid model. >> Cool. And speaking of mah, Ashton Kutcher was actually the one to reach 1 million at a Twitter battle with CNN. >> That's right we misspoke yesterday. We thought that he had lost to CNN. He did not. >> It's a photo finish. >> But I'm not actually sure that he played fair. >> Yeah, and tell us why, Natalie. >> Well because, so we got a Twitter and an email from Dragoon16 who said that he was on his way to work and saw a huge billboard asking people to follow Ashton Kutcher on Twitter. Now, is that okay? >> No, it's not okay. >> That's not playing fairly. >> It's one of the lamest things I've ever heard too. >> I'm gonna start just wearing t-shirts with my Twitter ID everywhere. >> I know. It's like well, what's the point too, like how much did it cost to pull out a billboard ad and pull some-- >> Yeah, seriously. >> And why, why? >> I got PGN, who cares? >> He doesn't even make money off of that. It's just a huge ego stroke. >> I guess. I don't know. He still doesn't even understand Twitter. [ Laughter ] >> I mean what are you gonna get when you follow Ashton Kutcher. I refuse to but anyone here knows? >> I'm not doing--I did it by accident for about 10,000--I was talking about my own 404. When he had like 10,000 followers. I was like oh, look at this you know, maybe I'll follow him and then 30 minutes I'm like wait a minute, I made a mistake. [ Laughter ] >> Why, because what would he think? >> He said something about Demi Moore or something. I'm just like "oh, really. Is this what it's gonna be about?" >> Unfollow. Thank you. >> Never mind. >> Thanks for coming out, Ashton. >> Now, the-- >> Go punk somebody, guy. [ Laughter ] >> If it were punking that would be funny. >> Yeah, I guess. >> Some of kind of Twitter punking. ^M00:10:01 >> Yeah. >> I don't know how you would that but. >> Don't give him any ideas. [ Laughter ] >> He's working on it as we speak. >> More like don't give you any idea. I don't wanna be Twitter punked. Now, do we think Oprah is going to get it more than-- >> Okay. >> --Ashton Kutcher? >> But in the pre--while we were preparing for the show I was refreshing Oprah's Twitter page and I was literarily--I saw her get a thousand followers. You can go to her [laughter] Twitter right and just keep hitting refresh and it's like the national debt ticker. >> It's like a countdown. >> It is. >> It is like a count of websites. >> Yeah, it's unbelievable. I might--I'm totally blown away. >> It went from like 82,000 to 83,000. She had something like 6 twits and 83,000 followers. >> Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. >> That is the true Oprah power. >> The true power of a sucker mom. >> That just kinda goes to show what Twitter is becoming and at certain angle of as far as I think it was either on the 404 BOL yesterday where we're talking about Twitter and how it just seems to be more or less for a lot of people a gauge of, you know, like popularity leader. >> Yeah, it's like-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> If there's only three updates from Oprah Winfrey and she's got that many followers, I doubt they're following her because she brings some crazy insight on a regular basis that they wanna read up on. Maybe she will one--I mean yeah, one day but that is pretty insane. >> It is insane. And so far it's like hey, I'm gonna have a Reuben for lunch [laughter] and that's the kind of Twitter I cannot abide. But if she brings her sort of Doctor Wayne Dyer, Byron Katie, the feel good spiritual stuff, that stuff I wanna read. I'm following her. >> Inspirational. >> I'll read that kind of stuff but if it's just I'm eating Reuben I don't know if I can handle that. [ Laughter ] >> You know, I feel like everyone goes to that stage when they first get on Twitter. Maybe Oprah is following that same course. >> Well, it asks you what are you doing so it's hard not to because if you don't understand--if you don't--you know, understand how you use Twitter then you answer that question. >> Exactly. >> You know for good, for better or for worse. >> I will let you know I'm having a ham sandwich. >> But we do kinda wanna know what her life is really like. >> Yeah. >> In a real way, I mean I do. Raise your hand if you wanna know her life is like. >> I guess. I would like-- >> I saw her in 60 Minutes once and they asked her you have a flight to wherever after this interview? She goes, yeah, and they go when does this plane leave? She goes, when I get there. >> Nah. >> That's her life. >> 'Cause it's my airport. >> Jason, what time does your flight leave? >> When I get there. >> That's right. [ Laughter ] >> American Airlines, they don't take off until Jason Howell arrives. [Laughter] I'm good. I can be here all day. >> So, well I think that's kind of the insight we want on Twitter, that and her spiritual feel goodness. >> Yeah, 140 characters at a time of Oprah nugget goodness. >> Great. >> Yeah. So Twitter is also going to announce something today and since we're streaming BOL so early we don't know what it is but the Twitter founders, Evan Williams has been posting, "Hey, we have a big announcement tomorrow." I don't think his big announcement is that Oprah is Twittering. >> No. >> He's got some other big announcements. It's probably something about how they're gonna make money. We don't know. Maybe the 404 will have that news. >> Hopefully, we've been known to break a couple stories in our day. >> Like what? >> Like I don't know [laughter] but there's a first for everything. So we'll figure that out. >> Yeah, if it does happen though we'll definitely announce it. So, yeah. >> Okay. If not, follownews.com and we will definitely talk about it on Monday's show but all we know is something is coming. It's a big fat T. >> Maybe it's a big business plan, huh? >> Yeah, maybe. >> Check out his business plan. >> Maybe it's their like bank account with like 30 dollars in it and they're like see, we made money. All of you guys use this and you really liked it. See. Could you give us money, please? >> Yeah, they're just gonna add a PayPal donate button at the bottom. There's our business motto. >> Don't you ever worry that Twitter is gonna spring some kind of paid model on us now that we're all addicted to it? >> I understand that's really sort of weird. It's almost like a drug dealer move where it's like you get a taste of the action but when you want more it's gonna cost something. [Laughter] It's kinda shady but I don't know. I mean I could live without Twitter. So I have no problem. >> Let's live without no more Twitter in this podcast. >> Yes. >> Alright, let's stop talking about Twitter. [ Laughter ] >> We've been talking about it for a long time. >> Let's talk about another service that we're unsure about how or have been unsure about how they would make money. YouTube, they launched CaptionTube which is a web application within YouTube that allows you to put captions on your existing YouTube videos. You could do this before but it was kinda complicated, a bit of it hacked. And now you can do it directly within YouTube. >> Okay. >> Close captioning for the hearing impaired. >> That's cool. I think there's other fun things to be had with this technology. I think people will figure out ways to make it kinda fun. You know, maybe-- >> What are you talking about? Close captioning is now fun? >> Yeah, you know, sometimes subtitles can be fun, you know, you can have, you can put it-- >> Not necessarily using it in a-- [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Oh, we're talking kung-fu. >> I'm talking doing stuff like that. >> Alright. >> I'm talking about, you know, to comedify [phonetic] if you will. >> Right. Well, you have to own these videos in order to do that. >> Sure. >> You can't just go vandalizing videos. >> Right, of course not. >> Although you could, I guess download one, upload it yourself and then. >> Right. >> Exactly. It's never stopped anyone before. [ Laughter ] >> Anytime something like this comes out, there's always like a wave of, you know, videos that exploit it. You know, some looking forward to the exploitation of this feature. [Laughter] That's what I'm--it's what I'm saying. >> Of course you are. >> Okay. Google is also talking about bringing a pay per view model to YouTube. >> Oh men, I don't understand this. >> Google's Chief Executive Eric Schmidt had said, when did he say this, oh in their profit call yesterday with respect to how it will get--this is a quote about YouTube and its modifying YouTube with respect to how it'll get monetized. Their first priority is on the advertising side. We do expect overtime to see micropayments and other forms of subscription models coming as well. We'll be announcing additional things in that area--in that area literarily very, very soon. Literally very, very soon. >> Literarily, wow. >> Which means like literarily who knows when? [ Laughter ] >> So that's interesting. Okay, so I'm thinking about the whole micropayment's angle of this and I think it just kinda occurred to me like eBay does the whole micropayments thing too in a sense. When you create a show--a listing for an advertisement there's all of this little like extra features that you have the choice to add that add value to your posting. Maybe that's what like they're thinking about with YouTube is you got the regular model, you know the regular video as you're used to doing it, but you pay a little bit extra for this feature, a little bit extra for that feature. They'd have to make it really compelling, obviously. But, so yeah. >> Well what features, I mean they've already launched high definition, they've already launched the theater view, they're launching this CaptionTube for free. All of that is free. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> But maybe content, maybe there are things that we'll want to see like premium content, HBO type of stuff. >> That's what I'm thinking. And maybe they'll make it so that the uploader can sort of say what cost what. You know what I mean? Like how--you're saying like-- >> Oh, yeah. >> --you know, like maybe that's part of it. Maybe like alright, this is my new web series and I've got a celebrity in it. But it's 10 cents an episode whatever it is, you know. >> Wow. That could get scary. >> Oh-oh. I've just [laughter] just unleashed something. >> You've just--oh yeah, let the genie out of the bottle on that one. >> Yeah. You know what? >> You just gave them an idea. >> My bad. >> You know what else is scary, oh I'm sorry. >> No, what else is scary? >> What's up? >> Sorry, I thought we were winding that one down. You guys wanna--you go ahead. No, okay. [Laughter] You know what is scary, jail. >> Yes. >> Yeah, that's scary. >> Jail is pretty scary. And the four unfortunate founders of the Pirate Bay have been sentenced to a full year in jail. They were convicted of basically owning the Pirate Bay [laughter], illegal file downloading and hosting and just basically all these bad stuffs that we were--that they were in court for, they've been convicted of it. >> Yeah, I don't--I mean, but what's funny is we're talking about this before. Pirate Bay is probably still not going anywhere. >> Well, right. It's because they--just because the founders are going away doesn't mean that their servers won't continue to evolve in it [phonetic]. >> So. >> Yeah, I mean but this--you know, at the end of the day, are they really responsible for what their users do on the site, you know? >> I don't know. I mean they've been so blatant out there about this is what we do, this is how to-- >> It is called the Pirate Bay. >> Right. >> There is that. >> They've been kind of like we don't care. >> Yeah. >> It almost seems like they're gonna do their jail time, get out and--I mean like okay, what's next? >> Yeah. And the year, not that long I guess. [Simultaneous talking] could have been worse. >> And they might get out for [simultaneous talking] causing any trouble, you know. >> Probably yeah, but they could be scheming up some, the next P2P model or something like that. >> They can probably device an even better system of getting cell phones in to jails than pigeons. [ Laughter ] [ Inaudible Remark ] >> Nice. >> They probably could build their own cell phones out of their bed sheets and the-- >> Yeah, or build their own-- >> toilet paper. >> --pigeons, you know. >> They'll be like oh, yeah we're serving another thing out of our cell. [ Laughter ] >> It's cool. >> Yeah. >> We will be up and running. >> If this is a movie, we'd know all about this. >> And the Pirate Bay will be running from their jail cell. >> The Pirate Cell, they'll call it. >> Yeah, ooh, actually Calidore [phonetic] in the chat room just came up with a great idea. How about bit torn over carrier pigeon? >> Ah, the analog. >> That the carrier pigeon will bring you that movie. [ Laughter ] >> On a thumb drive carrier because they could carry a thumb drive or some kind of SD card. >> There you go. >> Nice. >> That would be easy. [Laughter] I don't think it would be easy to build an entire city-- >> No. >> --that is solar powered but a city in Florida is going to try before the Florida Power and Light. It is going to be collaboration between the Kitson and partners. It will be 17,000 acre city which will generate all its electric needs via a 75-megawatt, 300 million dollars solar powered generator. >> Whoa! >> Yeah. >> What took them so long? >> I don't know. >> I mean Florida is a pretty hot state. You would imagine this is something that would have cross someone's mind before. >> Well, it's probably just a matter of money and, you know, making that a priority. In this day and age of green, green, green it's probably becoming a little bit easier to make these types of steps. >> It's a good idea. >> Few years ago, not so easy. >> Yeah. >> You could follow this. >> But it's a very smart move. >> This place is gonna be called the Inhabitat which scares me a little bit. You can follow it on Twitter if you want to. >> Of course. ^M00:20:00 >> Very interesting photos. I highly recommend everyone checking that out. >> It's a little scary. It's a little-- >> Too Jetsony for you. >> It's a-- >> It looks like the Jetsony. >> No, what's the movie--it's a little blade runner. Like a new life awaits you in an off, off world colony. >> Yes. >> You almost expect the entire place to be surrounded by huge dome. >> Yeah. >> Or something. [ Laughter ] >> We recycle everything even your thoughts, come in to the in-habit dome. [ Laughter ] >> Everyone is perfect. It looks like Sean, what's her face? >> Keep smiling. [ Laughter ] >> Well, if you wanna live there, let us know, hopefully wear your sunscreen. >> Yeah, and if you live there and if it was a dome, okay that's a stretch but you might be driving around electric vehicles 'cause gas vehicles emit, you know, toxins into the air. Okay, so how does this have anything to do with what we're about to talk about. GM proposed a standard plug for electric vehicles. We've been talking about this a little bit in the past about how you actually charge these things and I guess they're standardizing it or attempting to anyway. >> Interesting, 'cause I know GM is one of the biggest, you know, piece of the puzzle that killed the electric car 14 years ago. So now-- >> They're making amends. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> You know what, it turns out this isn't a bad idea. >> Yeah, totally. And can you imagine if they had actually stuck with it like they were so ahead of the game, right? >> Oh, my god we would all-- >> Like how many years before the game. >> Oh, forget it. You'd--all you need was a double A battery to run your car by now. [ Laughter ] >> It is one of the biggest mistakes they've made in the last 20 years. >> Yeah, seriously. Oh, we want gas, yeah, well. It didn't work out so well, did it? >> Well, now they wanted to design a plug that will link each plug-in vehicle to an ecosystem sort of base charging station to make sure that drivers can pull in to any charging station anywhere in the world and plug in their car no matter who the manufacturer is. >> I think that's a good idea. A universal socket down with that. I think that's a good idea. >> That's nice, right. I wish Cooley were here to tell us whether or not this is bullocks but he would know but-- >> I'm sure, I'm sure [simultaneous talking]. >> Us non-car people we're like oh, okay, nice. >> Yeah, I mean this one we can't really add too much to it [laughter]. But it's a great idea and, you know, obviously they're doing it just so they can like, you know, take ownership of this proprietary plug. >> Yeah, exactly. >> [Inaudible] you know, license the hell out of it. >> Make up some of that loss of you know-- >> Yeah, there you go. >> --of you know, getting rid of the electric cars. >> Should have killed that electric car but here is a plug that you're only gonna use, thanks a lot. >> Yeah exactly. >> Make that check out the GM. [ Laughter ] >> Alright, let's move on to the emails. We don't have voice mails today because we're still putting our show together kinda with spit and glue with setting up our new TriCaster and we're all in New York. So we'll have voice mails. We are listening to them. Thank you for calling in. But we will start playing them again next week when-- >> When we're back in--when we're back home. >> Back at the home. Well I'm not gonna be home. >> I gotta say--oh that's--well, okay. I can speak for myself. >> I have to stay. >> New York has been great. I wanna go home. >> Yeah. >> I wanna go home to my studio where everything is already in place and I don't have to build it from scratch. [ Laughter ] >> I understand, that's fine, but BOL fans need to realize that without Mr. Howell here, none of these TriCastings stuff would be possible and none of that stuff would be possible out there, so you deserve a lot of praise for that, sir. >> Well, thank you. I'm happy to do it. >> We love you and we thank you for coming out here. >> You bet. It's been a great trip. >> Yes. Alright. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> Alright enough with this romance, let's get to the email. >> Yeah, we're gonna have the moment later on. >> We have an email from Donald, the no longer out of work software engineer. Donald, congrats on finding yourself a job. >> Yeah. >> He says, hey Buzz crew, just writing in with a "well actually" which is his first well actually. In episode 954, you were talking about the guy whose Amazon account was suspended, and how he couldn't get new books into it, even the "free" ones. Well, actually, you can still load content onto a Kindle via USB. Plug it in and it will mount as a hard drive. You can copy text files directly to the "documents" folder without any conversion necessary. You can use the free MobiPocket Converter, Windows only but it works with Mac with virtualization software. You use this to convert from PDF, HTML, or Microsoft Word to the MobiPocket format which the Kindle reads. Or, even better, the "Savory" Kindle path formats books dropped into the "documents" folders into Kindle format eBooks or the actual Kindle itself. Love the show. >> Whoa. >> Thank you. >> So thank you for that. >> That was a lot. >> That's a lot of information but, you know, good tools, you know, and I guess if your Kindle does get bricked, you got some options, but you shouldn't have to worry about that I guess is the main thing. >> Yeah. >> Especially when, you know, your Kindle might get bricked for something that's completely unrelated to the Kindle. It just doesn't make any sense. >> Exactly. So don't go buying a bunch of stuff and returning it and getting your Amazon account frozen-- >> That's not fun. >> --if you want your Kindle to continue to work. >> Now, we have another email in here but we've actually already talked about the whole Time Warner captive. We already mentioned this email? >> We didn't mention the email. We can talk about how much he was excited about it. >> Okay. So, Chris the LabVIEW guy wrote in to just for the note to of course announce that, you know--let us know about the announcement that Time Warner will be canceling their experiment with caps in all markets. He's very excited. He says he's gotten a lot of local coverage in Rochester. There's an excellent local website that has covered all the developments in detail. They're having server issues with all the traffic, but you can get on. There is some good information there. And that's stopthecap.com, so that might have a little bit more insight into what we talked about at the top of the show, so check that out. >> You can't do the cap man. What were they thinking? It's crazy >> Well. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> They were thinking in dollar sign. >> --I understand but. >> I'm not entirely convinced that it's gone. >> Yeah, I mean someone who plays video games a lot online or a PlayStation or Xbox. >> It doesn't make any-- >> I mean that's gonna suck up all your, you know monthly allowance or whatever it is and that's not fun. >> Yeah. >> No one wants to blow through their allowance. >> No. >> It's no fun. >> Of course not. [ Simultaneous Talking ] >> What are you gonna buy bubblegum with? >> Yeah, you know, for sure. [Laughter] Okay, you gotta make that last. That's what I'm saying. >> That's right. >> Awesome. Well, Jeff, thank you so much for coming on to the show today. >> My pleasure. >> Obviously people can hear more rantings and ravings from you on the 404 podcast. >> Absolutely. [Inaudible] >> Alright, that's podcast.cnet.com. >> Oh, yeah. >> And you can hear more rantings and ravings from us at our site where we have our blog and all the links to this show's stories that we talked about today, emails, voicemails that we did not have, et cetera, at bol.cnet.com. [ Background Music ] >> That's right, have a great weekend you guys. We'll see you on Monday. >> Bye. >> Later. ^M00:26:21 [ Music ]