Ep. 946: OpenMoko is NoMo

[ Music ] >> Jason Howell: Today is Monday, 6 April 2009. >> Molly Wood: I'm Molly Wood. >> Rafe Needleman: I'm Rafe Needleman. >> Jason Howell: I'm Jason Howell: That felt really weird. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. It's hard to be, it's hard to be your [inaudible] for a day. [laughter] It's Anglophile day here at Buzz Out Loud. >> Jason Howell: That's right. [crosstalk] >> Molly Wood: At episode 946. >> Jason Howell: I was confused. >> Rafe Needleman: Oh, yeah. >> Molly Wood: I bought it. >> Rafe Needleman: [crosstalk] [laughter] BBC theories. [crosstalk] >> Molly Wood: Yeah. I think you're ready for BBC America. [laughter] >> Jason Howell: OK. >> Molly Wood: Yeah, they'll start you off. >> Jason Howell: Yeah, just baby steps. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: You know. >> Molly Wood: It turns out that sixth is really hard to say. >> Jason Howell: Sixth. >> Rafe Needleman: Speaking of American - >> Molly Wood: Speaking of American. >> Rafe Needleman: I'm practicing this. [crosstalk] >> Molly Wood: Right. What could be more apple pie than today, opening day of the Major League Baseball, which explains why Tom is not here. >> Jason Howell: He takes every opening day off. >> Molly Wood: He takes every opening day off. >> Jason Howell: It's like when I found out why he was doing this - >> Molly Wood: It's an important holiday. >> Jason Howell: Like, of course, it's opening day. He'd have to be gone. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. It's that - >> Jason Howell: It's a big deal. >> Molly Wood: Is a holiday. It is totally legit. >> Jason Howell: It should be. So I wonder. >> Molly Wood: And Natali is in Orlando. I'm not sure if it's baseball related. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. [crosstalk] I don't think it is baseball related, but yeah. She's gone for the day as well. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: I wonder with Tom out on the opening day, is he watching live on TV, or he is watching on the Web? >> Molly Wood: I suspect - >> Jason Howell: Probably TV. >> Molly Wood: It's both. >> Jason Howell: Oh. >> Molly Wood: Knowing Tom, but - >> Jason Howell: He's that big a fan? >> Molly Wood: If he is watching on the web, then he is enjoying the all-new MLB.tv. It's been like revamped and redesigned, and it has all these new features, and according to Silicon Alley Insider and also me, they are killing it. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: With the MLB web video. It's, it is insane all of the features that they've got over there. And interestingly, this is their launch sans Silverlight. They broke up with Silverlight. >> Rafe Needleman: They broke up with Silverlight? >> Molly Wood: They did. >> Rafe Needleman: So what are they using now, Flash? >> Molly Wood: I think now they're using Flash. Yeah, and it was pretty, apparently, it's been kind of a dishy breakup - >> Jason Howell: And it - >> Molly Wood: Just had a lot of problems. >> Jason Howell: And, yeah, well, it was weird that they went to Silverlight to begin with because so few people were going there, and Silverlight does all this cool stuff. You know, it kind of leapfrogged Flash, but then Flash came back and - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: You know, yadda, yadda, usual thing, but everybody has Flash knows how to use it, knows, and more importantly, it's easier to find developers for Flash than for Silverlight, I think, although Microsoft is so nice to developers, who knows. >> Molly Wood: Yeah, it's hard to say. But they did have a lot of technical problems, and then Greg Sandoval [assumed spelling] has a little bit of a breakdown on news.com today about some of the things that happened, and apparently, one of the big problems that MLB had was that you have to be an administrator on your machine to install Silverlight - >> Jason Howell: Ooh. >> Molly Wood: And so all of the people who pay for the MLB streaming subscription - >> Jason Howell: To watch it. >> Molly Wood: Who wanted to watch it at work - >> Jason Howell: At work. Yeah. >> Molly Wood: Right, couldn't ever install it at work, and so it became this huge thing. So it's all, so MLB.tv, it's all pay, it's, you know, but then it's unbelievable the features that, that you get. Like so for $20 a year, you've got - >> Jason Howell: Month, month, month. >> Molly Wood: I'm sorry, $20 a month, it's pretty expensive, but you, I think they stream every game, and then they now for 2009 stream it, you have HD, you have live game DVR functionality, which I think is [crosstalk] phenomenal online for - >> Jason Howell: For every game, not just the ones in your local area that you're - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: Watching on TV. Yeah. >> Molly Wood: Awesome, multi-game viewing options, and then live game picture in picture, and then live game radio options where available. >> Jason Howell: And they dropped the price. >> Molly Wood: Plus a player tracker - >> Jason Howell: Ten dollars a year, not a month, a year. So which is actually less than a ten percent drop, but still, it's a nice little thing - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: For better technology. >> Molly Wood: And then I guess if you don't want all those extras, there's like $15 a month when it's just like last year. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: But it is, it is definitely as far as I'm concerned the model for what, I mean, MLB is annoying in a lot of different ways, but I think what they're doing with this web streaming is the model for what the NFL needs to get on board with Pronto and - >> Jason Howell: Yeah. [crosstalk] >> Rafe Needleman: Well, if the NFL did this with their site, then I could actually get rid of DirecTV. That's pretty much the only thing that keeps me on DirecTv these days is the NFL package. >> Jason Howell: Really. >> Molly Wood: Well, and when you consider, you know, so DirecTV's got that Season Pass that's what, about $300 and some, $350 dollars a year. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: More than non-HD. It's another hundred dollars for HD. MLB is giving you basically all of what DirecTV gives you on TV for $20 a month. >> Rafe Needleman: Alright. Two things, first of all, people should not be charging extra for HD. >> Molly Wood: No. >> Rafe Needleman: That's just wrong. >> Molly Wood: I totally agree. >> Rafe Needleman: I mean, there are now. I think eventually, that will stop happening when [crosstalk] - >> Jason Howell: It's just, it's just - >> Molly Wood: [crosstalk] As long as they can continue to get it - >> Rafe Needleman: [crosstalk] Right now, it's still. [crosstalk] Even Net, even Netflix charges extra for Blu-Ray. It's just - >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: Boo. >> Jason Howell: Extra plus extra, extra. >> Rafe Needleman: Second, yeah, secondly, we, we need to start our TV's. So when do we have the TV's that can read this stuff so we can see this in the full living room experience because right now, people just don't have the computers in the living room for watching the games like this. At least not to my knowledge. >> Molly Wood: Yeah, but if you've got a media center PC hooked up to your TV, there's no reason you can't do this, and then you can use a wireless keyboard - >> Rafe Needleman: But that's like six people. >> Molly Wood: Well, but it's possible. >> Jason Howell: Maybe they can do this on the xBox, then it would work. >> Molly Wood: Oh, neat. >> Jason Howell: That would be sweet. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: That would be pretty cool. I think, though, that, I don't know, this is a pretty good start. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. No, no, no, no, but I'm just always want more. That's me. [laughs] >> Molly Wood: Yeah. No, that's reasonable. >> Jason Howell: Rafe Needleman, never satisfied. [laughter] >> Molly Wood: Moving on, speaking of never satisfied, I should be more satisfied with this announcement, but I'm kind of mad about it. T-Mobile is now saying that they're going to use the Android operating system that Google software in devices for the home, including a home phone that they plan to sell early next year and then soon after a tablet computer that's running Android. >> Rafe Needleman: This is cool. >> Molly Wood: This is per confidential documents obtained from one of the company's partners and reported by the "New York Times". >> Jason Howell: I think this is really neat. Now, Google, of course, in addition to having Android, they also have Google Voice, formerly Grand Central, which is their, their phone system. You get a new number, and it does, you know, visual voice mail and has an SMS number and all this stuff. It's actually an incredibly powerful new phone system if they could lock it into a device like this. First of all, it'd be great, and secondly, it would totally kill that Verizon hub, which is like - >> Molly Wood: Confusing and weird and awful. >> Jason Howell: Awful. >> Jason Howell: I did, I did a story on this for CBS News, and it's the hub just doesn't cut it. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: But Google gets it, and you make a computer with Google Voice that's tied into a phone, a mobile phone system, I think they could do it right. >> Molly Wood: Do you think you can have then like a dockable Android cell phone? Like a dockable smartphone that - >> Jason Howell: Well, you know, I don't - >> Molly Wood: Kind of integrates with it because they have, >> Jason Howell: I don't believe - >> Molly Wood: T-Mobile already has that hot-spot-at-home thing. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. I don't believe that your phones need to be docked. I mean, the Pre - >> Molly Wood: Maybe not dockable, I guess - >> Jason Howell: The Pre shows that you can do everything over the Web. >> Molly Wood: Wirelessly dockable. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. I mean, it knows when you're home - >> Molly Wood: It knows when you're home. >> Jason Howell: [crosstalk] it's got something different, it routes the calls to your home >> Molly Wood: Right. Exactly. >> Jason Howell: Device or something like that. >> Molly Wood: Like that T-Mobile at-home thing where it just, if you have the dual band phones that they - >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: Just switch over to WiFi, and then they use that. I mean, I guess there's no reason that, it, there's no reason that couldn't be a little more seamless if they were all running Android - >> Jason Howell: Right. >> Molly Wood: All these devices. >> Jason Howell: But I, I think this is, this is really cool. This is, I mean, this is Google's operating system. To get into the communications infrastructure - >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Jason Howell: As opposed to the computing infrastructure and then build up on top of that. >> Molly Wood: Which is really, which is really fascinating, actually, if you, if you think about it. They are basically leapfrogging Microsoft, right? So there's all, then there's been all this speculation that they would build an operating system and challenge Microsoft, and so then it was like, well, they're not really doing that because they're building Android. But the promise of Android actually is to go right past Microsoft saying, we're not doing a "computer" operating system because the "computer" as a dumb device is over. >> Jason Howell: No, - >> Molly Wood: And the, and the idea that a, a smartphone is almost the new computer and, and vice versa is what, what Google seems to be grabbing at here. >> Rafe Needleman: A point of trivia here. Microsoft in the past made a home phone. Did you know that? >> Molly Wood: No. >> Rafe Needleman: That hooked into your, it, it was a phone. It plugged into your phone line, add a plug into your computer via USB or serial. I don't know. It was really a long time ago. >> Jason Howell : Must have been a serial. >> Rafe Needleman: And it was data transfer stuff, and it sold, you know, a couple dozen maybe. [laughter] So that was ahead of its time, and also was Microsoft, it was locked to your computer. This is smarter. I hope. >> Molly Wood: Wow. >> Rafe Needleman: I hope, I hope. Don't mess it up Google because Verizon needs the competition. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. Absolutely. That's interesting. >> Rafe Needleman: So and, and speaking of - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: New phone technology, so it looks like the open source smartphone standard, open moko, is - >> Molly Wood: Open nomo. >> Rafe Needleman: Open nomo. >> Jason Howell: Open moko nomo. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: [crosstalk] Not like, yeah, not like it's closed, but apparently, it is discontinued. >> Rafe Needleman : Yeah. >> Jason Howell: Aw. >> Rafe Needleman: So that it was an offspring of a Taiwanese electronics manufacturer, FIC. They wanted to produce open source smartphones, and they sold a bunch to developers. Maybe 13,000 in total. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: But there were problems with the hardware and the, the, the smartphones came onto the market and - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: It's just, you know, we do need diversity in operating systems. It was discussed the other day to keep, you know, things safe from virsuses. You don't want a homogenous environment. >> Jason Howell: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: But, this one, there was enough out there right now, and I don't think this is - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. I was going to say, I feel like the, the cell phone market actually is very far from homogenous. >> Rafe Needleman: Oh, it's huge. I mean, there's Symbian [assumed spelling], Microsoft, Palm, Apple - >> Molly Wood: Rim. >> Rafe Needleman: Google. Yeah, it's - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: It's, we're no - >> Molly Wood: And then all the little proprietary ones. Like there's a lot. >> Rafe Needleman: No near term danger of homogenous cell phone market yet. >> Molly Wood: No. In fact, it would be nice to have a little bit of contraction in the marketplace, but - >> Rafe Needleman: A few. >> Molly Wood: But this was, this is kind of a bummer because it was an open source development one. I mean, so now you're kind of only open source development option - >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: Is Android. >> Jason Howell: Exactly. >> Rafe Needleman: No, I think that - >> Molly Wood: Although Symbian is opening up, aren't they? >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. And I, I think in order to stay competitive because there are so many competing mobile OS's, they will open it up in order to attract developers. So I think we'll see more opening of existing mobile OS's. >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: Which would be good. >> Molly Wood: One of those open OS's will not be the iPhone operating system 3.0. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. [laughter] I'm with you on that. >> Molly Wood: That is one thing we can say [inaudible] but people are starting to speculate about what else it's going to include when it arrives in the Summer, and now everybody's saying June 8th is going to. I've been hearing June 8th. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. Yeah. Suddenly, that's the date. >> Molly Wood: For the new announce for the iPhone hardware announcements, but anyway, the unofficial Apple web log has a rumor that iPhone OS 3.0 would include potentially video editing tools. >> Jason Howell: Right, which would, which would make sense. I mean, for Apple just to deprive us of video on the iPhone for so long, and then when they finally get it right to say, oh, we were just waiting so we could do it right [crosstalk] editing rights. >> Rafe Needleman: Right. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: And the blib a la blah [phonetic]. >> Jason Howell: But it would make sense for them to put, you know, little minor editing for, before you upload to trim, trim a clip or - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: Rotate because everybody always. You ever take a video with your, your, your digital camera sideways. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: It's really hard to find an app to rotate it. >> Molly Wood: You know what can? >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: The - >> Rafe Needleman: What came? >> Molly Wood: And this, this to me is the one giant selling point of Vista. There's a few things I like about Vista, and one of them is that they included free Windows Moviemaker. Will rotate your photo, your digital video no problemo. No prevolo [phonetic]. In fact, I love, like that is, that to me is a killer feature, and the way it handles photos. >> Jason Howell: OK. >> Molly Wood: I know. There are things to like about Vista. People have also speculated along with this idea that it would have video editing, but that would pretty much require some new hardware and that that hardware obviously would have potentially a better camera. And then also today, Silicon Alley Insider is speculating that in addition to faster WiFi networking via a new wireless, the next iPhone, which is expected to be announced on June 8th, once again, would have a built-in FM transmitter. >> Rafe Needleman: Now, I call BS on this one. I would be hugely surprised to see that Apple put either an FM radio receiver so it can play, you know, radio song, radio broadcast or a transmitter so you can like broadcast your iPhone over your car to - >> Molly Wood: Well, that's the idea. They could do in car audio. >> Rafe Needleman: Those things never work. First of all, the, the iPhone has like 50 radios in it already, and this would just make it even a noisier device. It would take up more battery power. Secondly, that feature, FM transmitter, no matter, it's, it's just too crowded. It doesn't work in cities. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. It's the problem is in the cities. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: Even more rural areas, then it's great, but, man, you can't even do it in San Francisco. I've tried so many of them. >> Rafe Needleman: Not at all. >> Molly Wood: I know. >> Jason Howell: And it just never works. >> Rafe Needleman: So - >> Molly Wood: Although I have to admit that the, this, this to me does sound marginally, actually more plausible than an FM tuner, which I have accepted that they are just never going to do. >> Jason Howell: No. >> Molly Wood: Because the, I have noticed that many in-car audio systems don't recognize the iPhone. Like the iPhone is so tricky with those external accessories. Like I tried to Scouch, scouch [phonetic] adapter that's supposed to make your dock a dock. Like if you [laughter] have the old dock then it turns into like a new dock even though they look [inaudible]. And that won't recognize the iPhone. And so I wonder if it's just a, an attempt to bypass the fact that there are a lot of in-car, expensive in-car audio systems such as my iPod hookup that will not accept or even charge the iPhone. Like that to me is their one possible work around that could appease people, you know. >> Rafe Needleman: Well, I agree with everything you're saying except I don't think it's physically possible to open up unless this thing is like blasting out a couple of watts, which would be truly illegal. [crosstalk] >> Molly Wood: Right. [Crosstalk] Right. >> Rafe Needleman: I don't think they can, the bands are just too crowded, and the quality, and this is - >> Molly Wood: Actually they could - >> Rafe Needleman: In order for Apple to do something, it has to at least on the surface be high quality - >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: And I don't think FM transmitter technology is, allows you a high-quality enough signal. >> Molly Wood: I'm actually kind of [crosstalk] - >> Jason Howell: It's not guaranteed, yeah. >> Molly Wood: And come to think of it, they're going to support AD, A2DP. Serial Bluetooth [crosstalk]. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. True. >> Molly Wood: So there's absolutely no reason to do an FM transmitter because - >> Jason Howell: Well, the cars don't read it in. That's what you want next is the cars to read in Bluetooth. >> Molly Wood: Why can't they? They can read insertable Bluetooth streaming. >> Jason Howell: Cars? >> Molly Wood: The, well, in-car Bluetooth systems. Like, like the Ford Sync system that's got Bluetooth recognition of devices that, that did, you can do Bluetooth stereo, stereo Bluetooth streaming with that. >> Jason Howell: But that, [crosstalk] - >> Molly Wood: It works with the BlackBerry. >> Rafe Needleman: I mean, every car has, had an FM receiver. So theoretically, it's universal. >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: More universal that way. >> Molly Wood: Yeah, it's more universal than Bluetooth, but - >> Jason Howell: People, people pointing out in the chat room that not everybody lives in large cities. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah, I know that, but the point is that it would be such a terrible experience for people that do that it would damage the iPhone rep. That's my point. Right. >> Molly Wood: Interesting. Speaking of, I don't know. >> Jason Howell: Stuff. [laughter] Speaking of stories, [crosstalk] Technology related - >> Molly Wood: I know. It doesn't, I don't have to be speaking of. In other phone-related news, it like - >> Jason Howell: Because everything we talk about it phone day. >> Molly Wood: It's cell phone Monday. >> Rafe Needleman: It really is. >> Molly Wood: Like it really is. An advocacy group is calling for the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission, to require wireless carriers to allow consumers access to Skype via smartphones as well as the ability to connect their devices to the Internet through tethering applications on those phones. This is an organization called the Free Press, and they wrote a letter to acting FCC Chairman Michael Copps, and they expressed concern, legitimately in my opinion, that wireless carriers were not abiding by the FCC's Internet policy statement, which is, because now. I mean, I think this is a really interesting approach because they're basically saying like, look, these are Internet devices that are flooding the market, these smartphones, and if they have WiFi, then you can't say as the carrier - >> Rafe Needleman: What you can use it for. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. That, that some applications are not allowed. >> Rafe Needleman: I, I think what's interesting here, Skype for the iPhone, at least in the U.S., works over WiFi. Apple doesn't block that and neither does AT&T, but it doesn't work over 3G. So, this is maybe a different argument, but I think the really interesting argument is that the, the carriers are blocking what happens over their 3G networks, which is just, I just, a finger in the dike for, before everything becomes Internet enabled and all phones are basically VoIP devices. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. Well, but that's the thing, right, is that that's what they're trying to stop. But not only to server 3G. Like in Germany, Deutsche Telekom was banning Skype on the iPhone, and anyone caught using it would face a contract suspension. >> Jason Howell: Really? >> Molly Wood: A contract suspension for using Skype, and what carriers here have argued is, you know, in this "U.S.A. Today" report today after because AT&T is wanting to block it on the 3G network, Jim Cicchone [assumed spelling], Cicchone said that telecommunications carriers have the right to forego facilitation of its competitor services. That they consider Skype a competitor. >> Rafe Needleman: They're just missing the point. This is just like [crosstalk] - >> Molly Wood: I totally agree. >> Rafe Needleman: I have this fantastic 3G device. The, for, if I have a phone, the only pervasive data network I have is the cellular data network. I will pay for that if it can do what I want it to do whenever I want to do it. >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: And I'll, I'll pay, just give me the flat fee. I'm already paying, paying a big fat fee on what is it, $60, $80 a month for the iPhone - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: I got phone calls. Fine. I got WiFi, I mean I got the network applications - >> Molly Wood: Data. >> Rafe Needleman: Fine. Who, what do you care? I'm using the phone, and - >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: And I'm happy with the coverage. Let me do what I want on it. >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: Gosh. >> Molly Wood: Well, I mean, what they are doing is absolutely the dracon, the most draconian version of bandwidth capping. Like we've talked, you know, we complain about it's like there's this uproar when Comcast does it, but because the carriers, the cell phone carriers have this long-standing history of treating you like complete slaves on their, on their networks, no one is having exactly the same response until you're starting to realize just what the restrictions are [crosstalk], and what restrictions are inherent, and then basically saying like we have to manage our network as though it were just the most fragile baby. >> Rafe Needleman: Well, I guess the thing is that AT&T is really a phone company even though all these guys are trying to say they're, they're, you know, communications companies that at large. Like - >> Molly Wood: But they are now. >> Rafe Needleman: Gas company trying to say they're energy companies. But they, but you have to, let's try to do a little psychoanalysis of AT&T. You look inside the brain of AT&T, they are whole office buildings of people running the phone business trying to protect that revenue, and they see something like Skype, which is the largest global long-distance phone company in the world. >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: And they go, [scream]. >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: You know, [laughs] they've got to protect it. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: So they, I guess, this is what they do. >> Molly Wood: I mean, I suppose it's like, it's like radio stations not wanting to have satellite be them or something like that. I mean, it's, it's, in, to a certain degree it makes sense, but they are, they are now themselves global communications networks, and there's no way that they're going to be able to say look, you know, we, this is how we're going to manage our network, and you can have certain devices that have certain capabilities. Like they have really stifled innovation for years. They have kept U.S. phones from having capabilities that other countries have had for years, and at some point it's just becomes ludicrous to say, you've got a device that's perfectly capable as acting, of acting as a computer, but because you pay us this monthly fee [laughs], because you pay us more than you pay your ISP, you can do less. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: Like, it just starts to become a, a, a disconnect, you know. >> Jason Howell: AT&T, of course, is also a big data network. They, let's just say they're conflicted. You know what I think we should do? We should break up AT&T. >> Molly Wood: We should. That's a good idea. >> Jason Howell: Now, wait a minute. >> Molly Wood: But what I would - >> Jason Howell: Nah, that would never work. >> Rafe Needleman: What would it take? >> Molly Wood: I like this approach from the Free Press though. I would like them saying, look, their, the FCC has an Internet policy statement. They have a policy about what this is in some ways is a network-neutrality - >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: Issue. Like not Internet neutrality and that net neutrality way, but the Internet policy statement covers this idea that networks need to be neutral, and that devices need to be able to connect to them in, in, in anyway unfeathered [phonetic], and so this, this Free Press organization is basically saying like, hey. Don't you think it's possible that these huge communication networks which are in no way different from ISP's, especially considering that several of them are, in fact, ISP's. [laughs] >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: They can't have one set of rules for computers then another set of rules for smart, for computer enabled. >> Rafe Needleman: It's great. So speaking of rules, so AT&T, last, last week we talked about how they had this new TOS for wireless access to devices saying you couldn't do p to p, you couldn't redirect video streams from your home to your devices, and we were up in arms about this, and now AT&T says, oopsies [phonetic]. And the company has sent us, sent an egagenous [phonetic] statement saying, "The language added on March 30th to AT&T's wireless data service terms and conditions was done in error - >> Molly Wood: Error. >> Rafe Needleman: "Error, it was brought to our attention by legions of people with pitchforks, [laughter] and we have since removed it. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused doubt." AT&T, thank you. Good for you. Thank you for doing it, though, because it was fun to talk about. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman : But I'm glad they undid it. >> Jason Howell: Move along, nothing to see here. >> Molly Wood: I know. [crosstalk] I'm kind of sorry I wasn't there to talk about it, but yeah, that's, so that's good, right. >> Jason Howell: Alright. >> Molly Wood: See, this is the kind of outcry. This is, this is the kind of thing you need to keep the pressure on. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. Keep it up. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: Maybe we'll, they'll fix the tethering thing too. More pitchforks and, and, and torches everybody. >> Molly Wood: Pitchforks. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: Alright. We've talked about Palm's for a really long time. It's time for a social networking chaser. [laughter] >> Jason Howell: Where's the music for that? [laughter] I have no music for it. Sorry. I can't make it on the fly unless I have a guitar sitting here in the studio. >> Molly Wood: It should be in the future a little like an IM noise. You know like - >> Jason Howell: Ding. >> Molly Wood: Not that I am - >> Rafe Needleman: Oh, oh. [crosstalk] [laughter] >> Molly Wood: Oh, oh. Social networking butterflies are all aflutter about the Friend Feed redesign. >> Jason Howell: This is huge. >> Molly Wood: Which I almost didn't put in a line. >> Jason Howell: You want me to do this? >> Molly Wood: Yeah. [laughter] >> Jason Howell: So, Friend Feed has a, I can't even say that - >> Rafe Needleman: Friend Feed. >> Jason Howell: It's like saying sixth. Friend Feed, it's actually a [inaudible], I think Josh [inaudible]. Anyway, has a new redesign that is real time. If you go to beta.friendfeed.com, you can see it if you can't see it already, and basically everything that is happening on Friend Feed, which for those of you who don't know is kind of a Twitter/Facebook aggregator thing where you can comment and talk and be all social and stuff. It runs in real time. So you're looking at Friend Feed, and you see the comments pop onto the screen as you're reading them. >> Rafe Needleman: Oh. >> Jason Howell: They just kind of show up in comments to other people's posts kind of like fill ins. >> Rafe Needleman: Similar to search.twitter.com where like if you do a search, and you monitor it over time, - >> Molly Wood: Right. [crosstalk] >> Rafe Needleman: New things appear in real time, [crosstalk] - >> Jason Howell: Well what twitter.com does, says, [crosstalk] - >> Molly Wood: Well, it really reminds me of Election. [crosstalk] >> Rafe Needleman: Well, right, the election site. >> Molly Wood: Dot twitter dot com. That's actually one - >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: If you watched that, it looks just like that. >> Rafe Needleman: Right. This is so cool, but it is borderline unreadable. Now, as you pointed out, Jason, you can, if you hover the mouse over an item, it'll freeze - >> Jason Howell: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: And pause - >> Jason Howell: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: But if you don't, basically, it just all comes in. It's a fire hose of Friend Feed, and it's overwhelming, and yeah, it's like such a big deal, and [inaudible] is not sleeping waiting for it to come up and the [inaudible] Gilmore thing is the biggest thing in the universe and [crosstalk] - >> Jason Howell: Depending on the amount of people that you subscribe to it could be, it completely useless at a certain degree - >> Rafe Needleman: Right, because [crosstalk] unreadable - >> Jason Howell: Just flashing by you. You can't hardly focus on anything. >> Rafe Needleman: Now, maybe that's just because I'm old, and I can't take in the fire hose of the real world data stream that we should all becoming accustomed to. I need like an extra brain to process this stuff. >> Molly Wood: I just don't like who wants this? Who wants this? Who needs to have, be so, like plugged in second by second? Who has this kind of time? That, really, what are you going to do? Like what is the, what is Friend Feed imaging? That you're going to sit here, you're going to open this page, - >> Rafe Needleman: Time. >> Molly Wood: And then you're just going to sit there - >> Rafe Needleman: Time. >> Molly Wood: Like a drooling idiot and stare at it? >> Rafe Needleman: No, no, no. It takes no time. You can go into this thing, and in two minutes you will be, you'll have ten gigabytes of information in your eyeballs, and your head will be so much smarter after - >> Molly Wood: And I don't want to miss a thing. Like, it's like you can't look away. [laughter] Just visit the page a few times a day, and refresh it, and look back at what you've read. Like you don't, this, this assumes that what you really are going to do is sit there with Friend Feed open all day, staring at it until your eyes glaze over and a puddle of drool forms in your lap. [laughter] Like this is just, I don't understand why you need this and to be a very - >> Rafe Needleman: [crosstalk] Well, you know, it's blipverting [phonetic]. >> Molly Wood: In social networking. >> Rafe Needleman: This is social blipverting like Max Headroom. Remember that? You watch these advertisements, your head explodes. That's what this is. >> Molly Wood: Oh, my God. >> Rafe Needleman: Social blipvert. >> Jason Howell: Well, and this kind of like one of the, one of the hot current things in these social network sites. Like I've, I've heard about - >> Molly Wood: Oh, my God. [crosstalk] >> Jason Howell: Possibly happening on Facebook, you know, automatic updates as they arrive. It's on Twitter. So it's kind of like they're hopping on the bandwagon too. They just, it just so happens that they aggregate all of these different services that it gets out of hand. >> Rafe Needleman: Let me [inaudible] the record say that I really think Friend Feed is cool. I really like Friend Feed. It's, it's, it's a great community. This is more than I can handle, but the way Friend Feed is organized, the way it manages comments, and the way the community works together, up until today, I thought it was really cool. I really like it. So there. [laughter] >> Molly Wood: I would like to give two points to Phoenix Fury [assumed spelling] who says if I stare at Friend Feed long enough, could I potentially wind up downloading the intersect into my brain? [laughter] >> Jason Howell: Exactly. >> Molly Wood: Yes. Two points for a chuck shoutout. From the chat room. Scary news from the U.K. The ISP's there, as promised, have now begun storing details of user e-mails and net phone calls under then EU directive that was drawn up in the wake of the London bombings in 2005, and this is really unabashedly and unequivocally and incontrovertibly terrible. >> Rafe Needleman: No, but, Molly, their own, they're not storing content of e-mails. Just who you connect to. >> Molly Wood: Details. >> Jason Howell: Really. Because I thought they were just really - >> Molly Wood: It does not, no, [crosstalk] I mean, it does make [crosstalk] content - >> Rafe Needleman: Not content of e-mails. Right. >> Molly Wood: Neverthe, yeah, it just determine connections between individuals. Like, you know, whether you know that one terrorist or something. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. They don't, so they've got this, they're running some analysis on this to see who's talking to whom and when, and I don't know if they're recording >> Molly Wood: Like what if I - >> Rafe Needleman: Bodies of e-mails or subject lines or what - >> Jason Howell: Right, right. >> Rafe Needleman: But it, you know what - >> Jason Howell: How deep does that go? >> Molly Wood: But it's terrible. >> Jason Howell: You're right. It is terrible. This is actually when all the stuff was going around when, you know, about the London bombings and, and 2001, 9/11, it was all about, oh, they're trying to attack our freedoms. You know, terrorists were trying, they hate our freedoms trying to track. Well, guess what? They've won. >> Molly Wood: They've won. >> Jason Howell: Because this is taking away our, this is, they, these attacks have managed to force, cause us to overreact so that we have basically cut our own legs out from under us when it comes to freedom and privacy. This is, blah. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. This was - >> Jason Howell: People are becoming afraid to associate with others because of stuff like this. This is exactly what we were, people were saying we were fighting for. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. And the eve, this directive was pushed through with a simple vote. It was not discussed widely in the marketplace, and it was pitched to people as a commercial matter, not a police matter. >> Rafe Needleman: Although what a lot of baloney. >> Molly Wood: Which is unbelievable. Like the idea that they pushed through, because, they, no, in a panic after these 2005 attacks, they pushed through what they called a commercial matter which amounts to an unbelievable collection of personal data. Now, it is being stored, and it can be accessed with a warrant. Period. Like that to me, that to me, no matter what argument you say about like it's not being distributed, and it's not be sent out to people and whatever, and it's not being grabbed unless someone comes with a warrant, this is, this is a monitoring of your behavior that, frankly, Orwell could have only dreamed of. >> Rafe Needleman: Cappy [assumed spelling] has a great, in the chat room, has a great line. So if I was a terrorist, I should just send periodic e-mails to the leaders of every country to incriminate them? [laughter] >> Molly Wood: Well, yeah. I mean, that's what you start, you know like, what if the e-mail consists of like I, me approving a friend request from a person in Iran - >> Jason Howell: Right. >> Molly Wood: Which I do all the time on Facebook, right? [crosstalk] I mean, I've got, right. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah, or what if a, a known terrorist is also a passionate fan of Britney Spears, and has filed there [laughter] [inaudible] network that you happen to connect to. [Crosstalk] These ID's addresses are locked. >> Jason Howell: Our, our social, are, are, are the good guys analysts, the social network analysts who look at all these connections, are they smart enough, are there many, enough of them, are the tools good enough for them to tell the difference between social spam and gaming, and stuff like this, and actual real connections? >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Jason Howell: Who knows? >> Molly Wood: Well, - >> Jason Howell: I mean - >> Molly Wood: Have you noticed that the government has proven itself particularly adapt well staffed and well resourced in technological matters? >> Jason Howell: Yeah, totally. >> Molly Wood: You know. [crosstalk] I'm thinking, aw, no. >> Jason Howell: No, this is, this is scary. People are going to be, you know, they'll be knocks on the door, black helicopters or the whole - >> Molly Wood: People are going to be falsely accused, yeah. This is absolutely terrifying. Not OK. Not OK. Also, apparently not OK - >> Rafe Needleman: I'm afraid, I'm afraid to leave the studio. [laughs] I'm just going to stay here. Jason, if a black fedora - >> Jason Howell: Well, they are kind of locked here. I can just lock the door. We'll be fine. >> Molly Wood: It is in the, it is in the, in the EU right now. Maybe just don't send e-mail to your EU friends. >> Jason Howell: Great protection. >> Molly Wood: All ISP's in the European Union by the way. So hold telephone records and net records for 12 months. >> Jason Howell: Yuck. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. Fox News, Rupert Murdoch's empire showing that it has a zero tolerance policy when it comes to movie piracy. They've actually fired an entertainment columnist for foxnews.com for reviewing "X-Men: Origins Wolverine", which he downloaded illegally. >> Rafe Needleman: Well, of course, you know, the early cut, or the fake cut, or I don't know, whatever it was, leaked, right, of, of the X-Men, the next X-Men movie. So this guy who [laughs] oops, this is a big oopsy, downloaded it, which was wrong, and then reviewed it, which was kind of pointless, I guess, and got fired, which was probably the right thing to do. >> Molly Wood: It, it is the right thing to do. I mean he downloaded this movie illegally and reviewed it, and then he even said it just took a few seconds to download onto my computer. [laughter] >> Jason Howell: It was really easy. >> Molly Wood: Are you a maroon? >> Rafe Needleman: Wow. >> Molly Wood: It's super simple. It really took less than, and if you read this, and you're just reading it like, oh, wow, you can totally get "X-Men: Origins" on my computer right now. >> Jason Howell: Right. Yeah. It's annoying. >> Molly Wood: Boop a de boop boop boop boop. [phonetic] >> Rafe Needleman: See, people need editors. People need some, because you get all excited and turned on by what's going on. It's like, oh, I got to try this, and you know, sure. I bet a lot of people did it, right, but you don't go out and broadcast it. >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: And, and if, if he had an editor who said, you know what, dude, calm down. That's, like, kind of wrong. It's just a little adult supervision could have fixed this. That's, I'm, I'm sad for this guy. >> Molly Wood: It's not even like, yeah, it's, it's like some, someone with a lick of common sense would tell him to, I don't know, not drive drunk. >> Rafe Needleman: Common - >> Molly Wood: Like and then write about it. Like you don't do illegal things and then write articles about them. That's not even, that's not even that hard. Like that shouldn't have been that hard for him to figure out, and then presumably, presumably he must have had some kind of editor, right? Like do they just put whatever they want out - >> Rafe Needleman: Come on. Even we don't have editors for our blogs. We, the, the editors are after the fact to correct the typos. >> Molly Wood: Yeah, but it never occurred to him, like, we at least have some sort of standing, like, if it involves p to p, we usually talk to somebody or [laughs], you know like. >> Jason Howell: Right. Yeah, right. >> Molly Wood: People don't even review the services anymore - >> Rafe Needleman: I'm just saying people get all excited about what's happening right now, and they don't stop to think because they've got to be first. >> Jason Howell: Right, exactly. >> Molly Wood: Yes. Well - >> Rafe Needleman: And you'd be the first major person writing a column about this movie - >> Molly Wood: And reviewing it. >> Rafe Needleman: So you knew you'd get a lot of attention on it. Actually, he did get a lot of attention on it. [laughs] >> Jason Howell: [crosstalk] Hopefully [crosstalk] - >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah, hopefully, he can find a new job based on those - >> Molly Wood: I do kind of understand, though, that it would be hard, it's hard journalistically to say, this material is available, and I have access to it, and I know about, like, it's hard, like, it always has - >> Jason Howell: Hard to pass that up. >> Molly Wood: Been this idea that when you're a journalist, if you know information, you should share it. You know. Unless there's a [crosstalk], but this you should consider an [inaudible] because you didn't, it's not, it's not legal. >> Jason Howell: Well, as journalists, you try not to break laws generally - >> Molly Wood: Exactly. >> Jason Howell: As a human being, we try not to break laws, - >> Molly Wood: And admit it. >> Jason Howell: And, and, and, yeah. Anyway, so speaking of movies - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: So Nikon, and this is, I'll show you, this is going to be a movie story. So Nikon, there are rumors going around that their next SLR, DSLR, or semi-pro camera will have an articulating screen, which means that the, the LCD screen at the back instead of being, you know, flat on the back like they are right nowadays - >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Jason Howell: SLR's - >> Molly Wood: It's totally a new thing now. A bunch a cameras that I saw at PMA had this, and it's nice. >> Jason Howell: Yeah, well, well, you know, tilt out and around so you can hold your camera at an angle while you're seeing the screen. Now, this is kind of irrelevant for SLR's that are just through the lens, but now they're getting live view. So like, you know, cheap cameras where you can see that, but they're also getting movie - >> Molly Wood: Yeah, video capture. >> Jason Howell: Movie, video capture, and that's where you need this thing so that you can like hold it over your head or move it around and have the watch screening when you're not holding it at eye level. It gives you a whole lot more creative control. And I owe Steven Shankling [assumed spelling] the, the hat tip on this reasoning for the why they might be doing this. So, a big rumor on that. >> Molly Wood: I think, I actually think, though, that it's not, that it, it still is relevant for, the ones that I tried out at PMA, it's still pretty relevant for shooting even stills >> Jason Howell: Oh, yeah. >> Molly Wood: Because especially like if you're shooting a child who's down low, you know, you can kind of hold the camera down there, and I mean, it's, it's useful anyway, but it's absolutely does pre-stage probably in the new digital SLR from Nikon that's going to have video capture because now they have the D90, which frankly, the best camera in the world, I think. Like, sounds like all the features that I would ever want in a camera. >> Jason Howell: Oh, yeah. >> Molly Wood: But then whatever they're going to do next, now, I have to wait. >> Jason Howell: Josh has one, and he, he loves it. He, they do need to work on the video, though. It has some little weird warbling if you, if you pan too quickly. >> Molly Wood: Oh. Warbling? >> Jason Howell: Yeah. Warbling. >> Molly Wood: Unacceptable. >> Rafe Needleman: What I find interesting about this is is it creates a whole new subset of feature film making potentially. There's actually a new movie coming out called "Searching for Sunny", which is the first feature film shot on a DSLR, [crosstalk] and you watch some of the clips from this thing, it's just super crisp and clear and - >> Molly Wood: Really. >> Rafe Needleman: Just kind of an interesting new, new kind of direction for feature films. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. Cool. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. They're pretty cool looking. >> Molly Wood: And then finally, before we get to your voice mails and e-mails, steam car. [laughter] Two words, people. Steam car. >> Rafe Needleman: Back in the day, - >> Molly Wood: Rafe's going to crazy for this. >> Rafe Needleman: It's just so steaming cool. [laughter] So the British steam car. We haven't talked about this already. I've, I've been reading about this. It's, I left this story on Crave. Looks like the love child of the Batmobile and an F15 fighter jet. >> Molly Wood: Sweet. It does. That's a good description. >> Rafe Needleman: Modern-day automotive design to break the 125, 127 mile-an-hour landspeed record for steam - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: Set by Stanley Steamer way back in 1906. This thing does look kind of cool. You know what the problem with the steam powered landspeed car, though, is it doesn't have enough like brass knobs and fittings on it. >> Molly Wood: It needs to be steampumped? >> Rafe Needleman: It needs to be a steam pump car. [Crosstalk] >> Molly Wood: In addition to steam power. [crosstalk] >> Jason Howell: That's what I want to see. Yeah. Absolutely. >> Molly Wood: Steam powered steam pump. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: You're so picky. Apparently, it has a - >> Jason Howell: Plume of white smoke. I'm watching the video right now. >> Molly Wood: It did manage to have a run of better than 80 miles-per-hour on a test track in England, and then next month the British steam car will be shipped from England to the United States, and then they're going to attempt to break the record at the Dry Lake Bed at Edwards Air Force Base, where I think all such things occur. >> Rafe Needleman: No, no. They occur in Utah on the Salt Lakes as well. >> Molly Wood: Oh, that's true. Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: Hey, we should go. Hey, you know what? We should go here and do a video. >> Jason Howell: Oh totally. >> Molly Wood: We live in California. >> Rafe Needleman: Road trip. >> Molly Wood: Road trip. >> Jason Howell: Take our steam cars. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: Take our electric car to see the steam car. >> Molly Wood: Rafe and I, we're going on a steam punked, steam car road trip. >> Jason Howell: I'm not punking up, - >> Molly Wood: Steamy. >> Jason Howell: But I'll, I'll try. >> Molly Wood: Not very punk. I don't really get the whole steam [inaudible] thing. OK, but let's do voice mail before we start e-mailing me. [laughter] Our first caller is calling for innovation not around but through bandwidth caps. >> Hey, Buzz crew. It's James from Irvine. Last week, Alex from Buffalo called in to complain about Time-Warner's bandwidth cap saying that his Gen2 [phonetic] Linux update consumes 5 gigabytes a month, and it just reminded me of how the Buzz crew is always complaining about bandwidth cap stifling innovation, and I think maybe it would be time to foster innovation through bandwidth caps. I mean, I'm sure if the Linux community can find a way to distribute updates more efficiently than consuming 5 gigs just to distribute an update to two computers, there's got to be a way to dips or something. I mean, these bandwidth caps are still eating the system. It's just kind of a double [inaudible] argument, but come on, that's the, that's the dumbest excuse I've heard for fighting against bandwidth caps in awhile. Love the show. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: I, that's a good point. >> Molly Wood: I know. Those are really good points. Like what - >> Rafe Needleman: I mean, so many cool technologies are in response to restrictions and limitations and stuff like that. >> Molly Wood: Right. >> Rafe Needleman: Now, granted. We, none of us think bandwidth caps are smart, but come on. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: Come on. Deal with it. >> Molly Wood: I mean we just. Yeah, like we did just have the conversation about how they've been stifling innovation in cell phones and, and so on and so forth. But yeah, like, that's a very good point about the updates. I mean, we do have [inaudible] like we do have sort of distributed packet delivery technologies, and that you would think that I like his point that if anyone could find a way around it, it ought to be the Linux community. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. That's true. >> Molly Wood: Come on, hackers. >> Jason Howell: And then we'd all end up with more efficient use of bandwidth because it would all be open source, and people would start to adopt it, and, and it would actually save energy - >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: Which would make the world a greener place. >> Molly Wood: Fix it, Linux. [laughter] >> Jason Howell: That's the way it goes. >> Molly Wood: Our next caller was very excited to spot one of our good, good friends on the TV recently. >> Hey, Buzz crew. This is Shane in Las Vegas again. I just saw something pretty interesting. I was watching Discovery channel, and they went to a commercial about visiting their site about Alaska Week, and the browser they were using was Google Chrome. This is the first time I've actually seen Google Chrome in the wild on something like a commercial. Usually, you'll see a Firefox or IE. Maybe even Safari on a Mac, but Google Chrome for you. Thought I'd share it. Love the show. Bye. >> Jason Howell: Wow. >> Molly Wood: Wow. >> Rafe Needleman: Chrome's getting popular. >> Molly Wood: Chrome is the big time. >> Jason Howell: Aw, it's good. [laughter] >> Rafe Needleman: Add ons, plug ins. We need them now, Chrome guys. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: Make them happen. >> Molly Wood: Yeah, definitely do. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: Onto your e-mails, Brad the writer wrote in and wanted to give us a little update. He said last week, y'all had a short piece about Twitter jurors and their potential legal affect on our legal system. Sorry, potential affect on our legal system. Two issues that have come up include a system that doesn't fully understand how people utilize the new technology and people that might be using the technology during inappropriate times such as the trial and deliberations. And he said, "Thought you would enjoy seeing the story about our very own Arkansas Twitter juror, Johnathan Powell [assumed spelling], the one who where lawyers were seeking a mistrial based on a handful of Tweets that he had made. The lawyers contended that he Tweeted during the trial. Powell said it was after. It turns out that time stamps on his Tweets were, did make them look like Powell sent them two, two hours earlier than he actually did, and the judge ended up ruling that there were no grounds for a mistrial. >> Jason Howell: In this case. >> Rafe Needleman: Time stamps to the rescue, but still, don't Twitter during trials. >> Molly Wood: I know. He said I have no doubt that at some point during, at some point, inappropriate Tweeting could lead to major legal snap use in the future, but since this was clearly not the case, Johnathan really helped introduce a few of our local legal experts to the world of modern Internet-based communication. >> Jason Howell: Dodged a bullet and made us stronger. >> Molly Wood: Yeah, exactly. Dodged a bullet, but didn't, didn't excuse the behavior. >> Rafe Needleman: But now, people know so that maybe they won't be as dumb in the future. Not that he was. I'm not saying that, but you know, they won't do dumb things in the future. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: Yup. OK. So, Dushawn [assumed spelling]. Is that how you pronounce that? >> Jason Howell: Dushawn. [crosstalk] >> Rafe Needleman: OK. I found some information on an iPhone 32 gigabyte 3G from AT&T's website. Perhaps there's an update coming this summer. I know hope so, but at the same time, I do not because I still have an iPhone 16 gigabyte under contract. So what he did was, he was looking at the tradeups program on BlackBerry Bold, and in a drop down, there was a, a picture of, let me if there's, there was a link to a picture of, of an item pointing to iPhone 32 gigabyte 3G. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: In the tradeup program. So why do people do this. This happens all the time. The catalogs get pushed out there, and somebody like, oh, I won't put a permanent link into so nobody will see it. People will see it. >> Molly Wood: They'll see it. >> Rafe Needleman: This stuff goes out there. >> Molly Wood: They'll find it. Now, this is, this is a good find, Dushawn, actually because I've - >> Jason Howell: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: After we saw your e-mail, we were like, is this thing [mumbling] we went to [crosstalk] - >> Jason Howell: Is this real? Yeah. Exactly. >> Molly Wood: And I was like, that's either kind of just a bad mistake, like the they don't know the versions of it but >> Jason Howell: Yeah, like, well - >> Molly Wood: [crosstalk] Tradeups.com, but I don't think so. >> Jason Howell: Yeah. What is blackberrybold.tradeups.com? Is, is it a company that would know this type of stuff? >> Molly Wood: Yeah. I don't know, or they're just sort of trying to future proof based on rumors - >> Jason Howell: Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. >> Molly Wood: I don't know. >> Rafe Needleman: Or, let's tradeups.com is the, the main site. What's, this is news to me? What is this thing? >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Jason Howell: To specifically call it out, though, as 32 [crosstalk] gigabyte, you know what I mean? [crosstalk] >> Rafe Needleman: So maybe you could infer that, but - >> Jason Howell: So this is what happens. Tradeups.com, which is running this Blackberry upgrade program is a market research, or market sales thingy [phonetic] that obviously companies like AT&T contract with in order to get people to do more stuff with their accounts like trade up their, upgrade their apps. And these are the kind of people, the contractors who mess everything up when people are trying to keep secrets by doing stuff like this. >> Molly Wood: Yup. >> Jason Howell: But on the other hand, I mean, just, you know, obviously, we're going to have a 32 gigabyte iPhone - >> Rafe Needleman: Right. >> Jason Howell: Pretty obviously to me, we're going to have one when the 30 software comes out. So, whatever. >> Molly Wood: Whatever. >> Jason Howell: I think. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. No, well, I think minimum of 32 gigs iPhone is [crosstalk] - >> Jason Howell: Yeah, because if you're throwing video on that iPhone, you know, you're going to need that extra - >> Rafe Needleman: And a video editor and an FM transmitter, you're going to need all that. [laughter] >> Molly Wood: And you're going to need a battery the size of a Volkswagen bus. >> Jason Howell: That's right. >> Rafe Needleman: Totally. >> Molly Wood: So that's going to be awesome. [laughter] >> Rafe Needleman: A Chillie [assumed spelling] , formerly Eric [assumed spelling] the MBA student, writes in and says, "You guys talked about On Live, the streaming game company, some time in the last couple of weeks. Randy, Scott, and Patrick, same Patrick Bashay [assumed spellings], whose e-mails you guys have been reading on the show lately, also discussed it on the Instance last week, and they really got me thinking. For what I've seen, game prices on the service haven't been announced, but I would hope they would be cheaper than store-bought games as it sounds like you will have to pay for the subscription. I wonder if this model could be applied to other processor graphics-intensive programs such as Photoshop, things like that. Seems that it would be almost more suited to this application as latency would not be as much of an issue. What do you think?" I think that's kind of interesting. I mean, Rafe, well, you pointed out in, in prep that, you know, the computers nowadays that, that consumers are bringing into their homes are crazy - >> Rafe Needleman: Right. >> Jason Howell: Able to do most of these processor-intensive applications, but I like the idea of like networked, farmed out like high, high-end processing for certain things like rendering and, and CG maybe, or I don't know what you'd use that for, but that's cool. >> Rafe Needleman: Well, the right job at the right task. I mean, if I've got a, if my Quad Core desktop at home can do a lot of stuff, there's no point for me to farm that stuff out over the Internet and introduce, you know, transmission time and lag in order to do minor rendering. On the other hand, if I'm trying to do it on my netbook, then I do want to do it. So why don't why have applications that know where the power is and put the task in the right spot automatically. >> Molly Wood: That's what I was, yeah - >> Rafe Needleman: Depending on the bandwidth, depending on the CPU's where they are, and where you are. >> Molly Wood: I saw an interview with Ben Surf [assumed spelling] where he sort of, I think it was Ben Surf, and he talked about how he thought that was going to be sort of the, the future on the netbook revolution. It's not that it's about the netbook specifically, but it's about the ability to seamlessly use the power where you can find it. So if you're working on a task that is too much for your machine that you could just kind of like the way that you can transfer between the cell tower and WiFi. You know. Scouch [phonetic] onto the cloud. >> Jason Howell: There you go. >> Molly Wood: [crosstalk] And, and get cloud services. >> Rafe Needleman: There are some people including tales in the chat room who are saying that they do this at, at their school, and it's slow. It, it takes a long time to update. It's, it's annoying and painful. So. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: Maybe it's not the best, best idea in the world. >> Molly Wood: Well, probably, well, we're just not all the way there yet. >> Rafe Needleman: Yeah. >> Molly Wood: It doesn't mean that, you know, it's not a good idea. >> Rafe Needleman: Right. >> Molly Wood: I think it's still a really good idea. >> Rafe Needleman: Well, the cloud keeps getting more powerful. Our desktop computers keep getting more powerful. It's, it's just a question of, you know, putting the right, the right job in the right place. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. >> Rafe Needleman: Right tool for the job like they always say. >> Molly Wood: Yeah. [crosstalk] >> Jason Howell: So, if you want to possibly, I have to image the Indecent Exposure podcast is going to talk a little bit about the DSLR that we were talking about earlier. You should check out that podcast. They're at podcast.cnet.com. I just emphasized podcast very strangely. >> Molly Wood: I know, podcast. >> Jason Howell: Podcast. >> Rafe Needleman: It's part of the whole British thing, you guys. [laughter] >> Molly Wood: I liked it. Podcast. >> Jason Howell: Maybe I'm going to change things. One podcast at a time. >> Molly Wood: And then, of course, since I can't let Rafe do his own pimping, it is still, there's still time to vote in the Webware 100. >> Rafe Needleman: The whole month. >> Molly Wood: The whole month? Hey. See. There's still time - >> Rafe Needleman: But do it now. [crosstalk] Do it now. Do it now. >> Molly Wood: The entire month, yeah. Get your votes in early and often at webware.com/100 [laughter] and vote in the Webware 100. For your favorite web service. >> Rafe Needleman: Yes. Thank you. >> Jason Howell: Awesome. >> Rafe Needleman: And for all notes about our show including links to all the topics we've talked about, our phone number so you can call in and leave us a voice mail, e-mail address, bol.cnet.com is the website to visit. >> Molly Wood: And have a lovely Monday everyone. >> Jason Howell: See y'all later. >> Molly Wood: Bye. [ Music ]