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The 404: Ep. 1455: Where there's a sucker born every minute

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The 404: Ep. 1455: Where there's a sucker born every minute

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Find out if your Android phone is infected with a secret to mine Bitcoin, LAX baggage handlers caught red handed (plus some travel hacks and pro-tips), a Kickstarter for filthy rich cinephiles, and the X-II chip brings mixtapes back in style.

It's Friday, March 28, 2014. It's Friday, March 28, 2014. I'm Ariel Nunez from our CBS Studios in New York City. I'm Ariel Nunez from our CBS Studios in New York City. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] Welcome to the 404. Welcome to the 404. What's up, everyone? What's up, everyone? Welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Jeff Bakalar. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] And I'm Justin Yu. And I'm Justin Yu. That was an awesome intro. That was an awesome intro. I feel like. I feel like. Well, thank you. Well, thank you. 30 times more important right now. 30 times more important right now. [LAUGH] I'm not gonna lie. [LAUGH] I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. That was great, Ariel. That was great, Ariel. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Thank you. Thank you. Good job [INAUDIBLE]. Good job [INAUDIBLE]. We're like the only podcast on the internet with an official announcer. We're like the only podcast on the internet with an official announcer. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] No, no, no. No, no, no. [LAUGH] Does anybody else do that? [LAUGH] Does anybody else do that? Fug, yes. Fug, yes. No one else does that. No one else does that. [LAUGH] No one else had Ariel Nunez doing it for them, but us. [LAUGH] No one else had Ariel Nunez doing it for them, but us. Right, we're the only one with Ariel. Right, we're the only one with Ariel. And I said, [CROSSTALK] Fug by the way. And I said, [CROSSTALK] Fug by the way. [LAUGH] Either want to. [LAUGH] Either want to. Good to know that. Good to know that. What were you saying dude. What were you saying dude. Said I'm not cheap so. Said I'm not cheap so. You're not cheap. You're not cheap. [CROSSTALK] Only some people could afford to have me host. [CROSSTALK] Only some people could afford to have me host. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah. Yeah. Intro. Intro. Speaking of which we got to renew. Speaking of which we got to renew. His contract now. His contract now. [LAUGH] We're just going to keep adding more thing for you to do. [LAUGH] We're just going to keep adding more thing for you to do. In the intro. In the intro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause [LAUGH] it doesn't seem like you have enough. Cause [LAUGH] it doesn't seem like you have enough. It looks liek your nose is. It looks liek your nose is. Freeze. Freeze. [LAUGH] So we'll have you with that too. [LAUGH] So we'll have you with that too. Just have him painting something. Just have him painting something. Both hands, [CROSSTALK] and you're saying something, and you're painting at the same time. Both hands, [CROSSTALK] and you're saying something, and you're painting at the same time. [LAUGH] What else? [LAUGH] What else? He's an octopus. He's an octopus. [LAUGH] Alright, so welcome to the show everyone. [LAUGH] Alright, so welcome to the show everyone. I don't know, what are we calling this? I don't know, what are we calling this? Like, like black out 2014? Like, like black out 2014? [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Like itunes-mageddon? Like itunes-mageddon? Well, it's Friday. Well, it's Friday. We've now gone a full week in the dark. We've now gone a full week in the dark. We think it might be fixed today, but that's hilarious. We think it might be fixed today, but that's hilarious. [LAUGH] Yeah. [LAUGH] Yeah. So we'll see. So we'll see. I mean we really appreciate. I mean we really appreciate. If you are listening to this, we would imagine you're in very limited company, because of the difficulties people are having getting our program. If you are listening to this, we would imagine you're in very limited company, because of the difficulties people are having getting our program. I should say that we already know that the RSS feeds aren't updating. I should say that we already know that the RSS feeds aren't updating. We've been getting a lot of emails. We've been getting a lot of emails. [LAUGH] People. [LAUGH] People. Yeah but it's weird because they'll say hey I've been listening to the show for the past five years. Yeah but it's weird because they'll say hey I've been listening to the show for the past five years. Just wanted to let you know that your RSS feeds are down. Just wanted to let you know that your RSS feeds are down. Well you haven't listened for the past four days then. Well you haven't listened for the past four days then. Right. Right. Right. Right. Which I don't understand that. Which I don't understand that. We are aware of the problem. We are aware of the problem. Thank you to everyone who is letting us know that but. Thank you to everyone who is letting us know that but. We're working on that even though it doesn't seem like it because nothing changes. We're working on that even though it doesn't seem like it because nothing changes. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully today. Hopefully today. Yeah. Yeah. We got one email from some dudes like how hard is it to fix. We got one email from some dudes like how hard is it to fix. And dude, I, I don't know. And dude, I, I don't know. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Like a team of 30 people that are not getting any sleep all week just trying to solve this problem. Like a team of 30 people that are not getting any sleep all week just trying to solve this problem. And it's not just 404 either. And it's not just 404 either. Don't think that CNS just, you know, turning a blind eye to this problem. Don't think that CNS just, you know, turning a blind eye to this problem. You know this is affecting CNS update, apple bite, all the shows you like on CNS. You know this is affecting CNS update, apple bite, all the shows you like on CNS. So. So. Right. Right. Once we get up, everyone else will too. Once we get up, everyone else will too. Yes. Yes. I guess. I guess. I don't know. I don't know. Let's put that out of our minds. Let's put that out of our minds. Hope that it just works itself out. Hope that it just works itself out. Yeah, that always works well for this show. Yeah, that always works well for this show. [LAUGH] I feel like that's the mantra for this show. [LAUGH] I feel like that's the mantra for this show. Just slide that thing under the rug. Just slide that thing under the rug. It'll, it'll get fixed. It'll, it'll get fixed. There's really. There's really. You know, capable people. You know, capable people. Yeah. Yeah. Filled out our hand-out so I, I feel comfortable saying that. Filled out our hand-out so I, I feel comfortable saying that. We got bigger problems to deal with too and, let's do a really quick run-down before we get to the stories. We got bigger problems to deal with too and, let's do a really quick run-down before we get to the stories. We're gonna talk about. We're gonna talk about. An app that you may have downloaded on your Android phone, that actually has a Trojan on it to mine Bitcoin. An app that you may have downloaded on your Android phone, that actually has a Trojan on it to mine Bitcoin. It's really crazy. It's really crazy. I can live with that. I can live with that. Yeah. Yeah. And then, we're gonna find some way to sort of feed tech into this next story, but [INAUDIBLE] crazy. And then, we're gonna find some way to sort of feed tech into this next story, but [INAUDIBLE] crazy. Have you heard about those LAX baggage handlers, that were caught stealing things? Have you heard about those LAX baggage handlers, that were caught stealing things? And they've been doing so for years. And they've been doing so for years. Well, that's shocking. Well, that's shocking. I know. I know. So, we're gonna talk about that, give you the details, and exactly what they stole, and where they were selling it. So, we're gonna talk about that, give you the details, and exactly what they stole, and where they were selling it. Okay. Okay. Then we're gonna talk about a Tom Hanks project to basically start a new Kickstarter. Then we're gonna talk about a Tom Hanks project to basically start a new Kickstarter. Type app, online, but only for rich people. Type app, online, but only for rich people. It's basically a kick stater for rich people, hosted by Tom Hanks. It's basically a kick stater for rich people, hosted by Tom Hanks. Isn't that like real life? Isn't that like real life? [CROSSTALK] Isn't that just like the start market? [CROSSTALK] Isn't that just like the start market? Yea it's called, [LAUGH] it's called first world economy. Yea it's called, [LAUGH] it's called first world economy. I figure it's just called capitalism. I figure it's just called capitalism. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Yea. Yea. It's a new app called capitalism, download it now. It's a new app called capitalism, download it now. And then we are going finish up with a company that is sort of endeavoring to revive the mix tape. And then we are going finish up with a company that is sort of endeavoring to revive the mix tape. Okay. Okay. Which i think we all have a history with. Which i think we all have a history with. Very dearly. Very dearly. I know how many mix tapes you've sent out. I know how many mix tapes you've sent out. I mean, I mean, this isn't like 1994. I mean, I mean, this isn't like 1994. But you did in the past. But you did in the past. Of course I did. Of course I did. I know you did too? I know you did too? [CROSSTALK] Oh yea, well like make mix tapes? [CROSSTALK] Oh yea, well like make mix tapes? Yea. Yea. For sure. For sure. Right, and when I was a child I speak as a child but now I'm an old man and I do old man things. Right, and when I was a child I speak as a child but now I'm an old man and I do old man things. Oreal is really old. Oreal is really old. [CROSSTALK] He was making mix eight tracks. [CROSSTALK] He was making mix eight tracks. Yea. Yea. [LAUGH] Totally. [LAUGH] Totally. I was pressing vinyls. I was pressing vinyls. [LAUGH] Mix. [LAUGH] Mix. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] Very long process. Very long process. [LAUGH] Took about six months. [LAUGH] Took about six months. Yeah, that's genius. Yeah, that's genius. Let's start that. Let's start that. One, and it was only one side [LAUGH] because you just got fed up after. One, and it was only one side [LAUGH] because you just got fed up after. It's like. It's like. Yeah, those little 45s. Yeah, those little 45s. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] He was like forget it. He was like forget it. Two songs, that's it. Two songs, that's it. That's genius, let's do that. That's genius, let's do that. Getting into the first story though. Getting into the first story though. This is scary, and, Jeff, I know you have an Android phone so this may apply to you. This is scary, and, Jeff, I know you have an Android phone so this may apply to you. Hold on, you can hear me trembling in fear. Hold on, you can hear me trembling in fear. Can you let me finish there's, there's people that have actually downloaded these two apps. Can you let me finish there's, there's people that have actually downloaded these two apps. I'm sure I have too. I'm sure I have too. Yea, the apps are, that we're talking about are called. Yea, the apps are, that we're talking about are called. Songs and prized. Songs and prized. No I didn't. No I didn't. Those are the ones that you're looking for and, you know, it seems like every day we talk about a new security flaw but the latest one is that researchers just discovered. Those are the ones that you're looking for and, you know, it seems like every day we talk about a new security flaw but the latest one is that researchers just discovered. That at least those two apps, maybe more, in the Google play store. That at least those two apps, maybe more, in the Google play store. Actually contain hidden code that use your phone to mine crypto-currency. Actually contain hidden code that use your phone to mine crypto-currency. Stuff like bitcoin, and then doge-coin. Stuff like bitcoin, and then doge-coin. Doge-coin? Doge-coin? [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah, have you heard of that. Yeah, have you heard of that. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. Based on that internet meme. Based on that internet meme. So monies. So monies. Yeah, such awkwardness. Yeah, such awkwardness. [CROSSTALK] Right. [CROSSTALK] Right. and, and so this is how it works. and, and so this is how it works. Songs and Prize, those apps each have between a million and 5 million downloads a piece. Songs and Prize, those apps each have between a million and 5 million downloads a piece. So, just because you don't have it, just, there's definitely other people that are affected. So, just because you don't have it, just, there's definitely other people that are affected. You know, it's not really one of these problems that is really gonna ruin your phone. You know, it's not really one of these problems that is really gonna ruin your phone. You know, they're not stealing your personal information. You know, they're not stealing your personal information. It's just a process, man. It's just a process, man. [CROSSTALK] It's just a process that's running in the background. [CROSSTALK] It's just a process that's running in the background. Sure. Sure. That's just you volunteering to make money for somebody else who's running a program. That's just you volunteering to make money for somebody else who's running a program. So this is how it works. So this is how it works. They basically get around the legal ramifications of this by baring, of admitting the mining. They basically get around the legal ramifications of this by baring, of admitting the mining. In the terms of service, so you know that thing in the beginning where you have to put I agree. In the terms of service, so you know that thing in the beginning where you have to put I agree. Right. Right. You have to click I agree and it has a huge line of text no wants to read that crap. You have to click I agree and it has a huge line of text no wants to read that crap. No one ever does yeah. No one ever does yeah. Buried within that it actually says, in the background we're gonna mine bit coins using the processing power on your phone. Buried within that it actually says, in the background we're gonna mine bit coins using the processing power on your phone. And so, you know, since no one reads that and they just hit okay, then it kind of absolves them of, of any legal stuff. And so, you know, since no one reads that and they just hit okay, then it kind of absolves them of, of any legal stuff. It's it's brilliant, is what it is. It's it's brilliant, is what it is. Yeah, it's really smart. Yeah, it's really smart. So it harnesses the power of your phone to, basically collaborate on solving these complex equations, and then it takes that. So it harnesses the power of your phone to, basically collaborate on solving these complex equations, and then it takes that. And use with those solved equations in conjunction with other phones doing the same thing, to basically come up with new bitcoins which then, they can trade for money. And use with those solved equations in conjunction with other phones doing the same thing, to basically come up with new bitcoins which then, they can trade for money. Right. Right. It's kinda smart. It's kinda smart. It's like this really hidden pyramid scheme. It's like this really hidden pyramid scheme. It's still the wild west man, when it comes to apps and stuff. It's still the wild west man, when it comes to apps and stuff. The internet? The internet? Yeah, it's wild, wild west. Yeah, it's wild, wild west. Yeah, there's no getting around it right? Yeah, there's no getting around it right? I feel like everything's a Trojan nowadays. I feel like everything's a Trojan nowadays. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, everything you have, whether it's like. It's like, everything you have, whether it's like. You know, we always say this, but if the app is free then you're the product right? You know, we always say this, but if the app is free then you're the product right? Yes. Yes. Either they're taking control of your eyeballs with adds. Either they're taking control of your eyeballs with adds. Or they're tracking you. Or they're tracking you. [CROSSTALK] Or they're stealing your data. [CROSSTALK] Or they're stealing your data. You can't open up credit cards anymore. You can't open up credit cards anymore. They're leeches, these apps. They're leeches, these apps. They just want to suck some sort of information. They just want to suck some sort of information. Right. Right. Right, right, right. Right, right, right. And whether or not it's visible or not, it's happening in the background. And whether or not it's visible or not, it's happening in the background. So. So. Who downloads a, who downloads an app called songs? Who downloads a, who downloads an app called songs? Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know what songs does. I don't even know what songs does. Have you heard of that? Have you heard of that? Songs or prized. Songs or prized. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, I'm not sure what that is. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, I'm not sure what that is. Who are you people doing this? Who are you people doing this? But could you imagine I mean like, conspiracy theory alert. But could you imagine I mean like, conspiracy theory alert. What if something like I don't know Flappy Bird, or Angry Birds or something like that. What if something like I don't know Flappy Bird, or Angry Birds or something like that. Random game that got super popular. Random game that got super popular. Yeah. Yeah. Was actually a front for BitCoin mining, and meanwhile there's this like bird character. Was actually a front for BitCoin mining, and meanwhile there's this like bird character. [CROSSTALK] For a really long time and then get caught and that's that. [CROSSTALK] For a really long time and then get caught and that's that. Genius. Genius. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what we should [UNKNOWN]. I think that's what we should [UNKNOWN]. Think you're just bitter you didn't come up with it. Think you're just bitter you didn't come up with it. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. I am. I am. You can mine stuff. You can mine stuff. The problem is that you know, obviously mining Bitcoins takes huge computers that are running all day long. The problem is that you know, obviously mining Bitcoins takes huge computers that are running all day long. And you have to keep them powered and keep them from going to sleep. And you have to keep them powered and keep them from going to sleep. You would know if, if something was running this extreme in the background of your phone. You would know if, if something was running this extreme in the background of your phone. Because the battery life would get depleted. Because the battery life would get depleted. [CROSSTALK] Right, and then you would probably be able to say oh, I, you could isolate the problem through one. [CROSSTALK] Right, and then you would probably be able to say oh, I, you could isolate the problem through one. Cuz if you got, you got rid of it and you're done. Cuz if you got, you got rid of it and you're done. And you're done. And you're done. Your phone'll also get really hot. Your phone'll also get really hot. So if you've noticed those two issues, your phone getting really hot and your battery running down really quickly. So if you've noticed those two issues, your phone getting really hot and your battery running down really quickly. A hot phone? A hot phone? [CROSSTALK] A hot phone. [CROSSTALK] A hot phone. Just, you know, make sure that you're not, downloading one of these apps and that's it. Just, you know, make sure that you're not, downloading one of these apps and that's it. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, tell me about the L.A.X. Alright, tell me about the L.A.X. baggage handlers. baggage handlers. Yeah, I guess this isn't huge news, but it's definitely one of the biggest cases we've seen of baggage handlers stealing stuff from people's luggage. Yeah, I guess this isn't huge news, but it's definitely one of the biggest cases we've seen of baggage handlers stealing stuff from people's luggage. So, yesterday the authorities announced that for the last four months. So, yesterday the authorities announced that for the last four months. They've been conducting this investigation into 14 baggage handlers at LAX. They've been conducting this investigation into 14 baggage handlers at LAX. Who's this woman behind us right now? Who's this woman behind us right now? [CROSSTALK] I know, she's pretty. [CROSSTALK] I know, she's pretty. I know, it kinda stole my glance for a second. I know, it kinda stole my glance for a second. She is pretty. She is pretty. They suspected these 14 handlers of stealing. They suspected these 14 handlers of stealing. And so they set up a sting operation over the last four months. And so they set up a sting operation over the last four months. And then after. And then after. Basically, researching over 25 search warrants they found thousands of dollars worth of passenger stuff. Basically, researching over 25 search warrants they found thousands of dollars worth of passenger stuff. And not only that, they found the stuff, they also found records of Craig's lists transactions that they were going on afterwards. And not only that, they found the stuff, they also found records of Craig's lists transactions that they were going on afterwards. That's sort of the tech angle we're taking here. That's sort of the tech angle we're taking here. [LAUGH] They went on Craigs' lists and asked for it. [LAUGH] They went on Craigs' lists and asked for it. So just to sell the stuff that they had. So just to sell the stuff that they had. Craigslist, Craigslist was the fence. Craigslist, Craigslist was the fence. Yeah. Yeah. So, that, okay, fair enough. So, that, okay, fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's where they went. I mean, that's where they went. That's like basically the black market of stolen gear now. That's like basically the black market of stolen gear now. And it was like, you know, things like electronics, computers jewelry. And it was like, you know, things like electronics, computers jewelry. Why people were putting this expensive stuff into the baggage they checked in doesn't really make sense. Why people were putting this expensive stuff into the baggage they checked in doesn't really make sense. [CROSSTALK] Jewelry is strange. [CROSSTALK] Jewelry is strange. If you have stuff that. If you have stuff that. Jewel, oh, there she is again. Jewel, oh, there she is again. Jewel. Jewel. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, so if you [LAUGH] have stuff that you value, bring it on the plane with you. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, so if you [LAUGH] have stuff that you value, bring it on the plane with you. Yeah. Yeah. Jewel, Jewelry is bizarre. Jewel, Jewelry is bizarre. Like, what are you doing. Like, what are you doing. Stealing jewelry. Stealing jewelry. What do you do? What do you do? Like, in, in, well, not stealing it. Like, in, in, well, not stealing it. What are you doing putting it in there? What are you doing putting it in there? What, you mean travelers? What, you mean travelers? In your luggage? In your luggage? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. [CROSSTALK] Don't check that stuff in. [CROSSTALK] Don't check that stuff in. And what else was taken out? And what else was taken out? Electronics, computers? Electronics, computers? Who puts a computer in their laptop? Who puts a computer in their laptop? I guess, if you're, if it's not your personal one. I guess, if you're, if it's not your personal one. You know, [CROSSTALK] it's like company laptop, but you're probably not supposed to do that either. You know, [CROSSTALK] it's like company laptop, but you're probably not supposed to do that either. Just don't do that. Just don't do that. Well, it didn't seem like a good for tech stuff because [CROSSTALK]. Well, it didn't seem like a good for tech stuff because [CROSSTALK]. Everything's gonna get bounced around, yeah. Everything's gonna get bounced around, yeah. You've seen, yeah, you've seen how the handlers throw those things around. You've seen, yeah, you've seen how the handlers throw those things around. It's just not a good idea. It's just not a good idea. I've been flying a lot lately and I'm starting to learn like, the little secrets. I've been flying a lot lately and I'm starting to learn like, the little secrets. Yeah. Yeah. This is good, I'm glad you brought that up. This is good, I'm glad you brought that up. [CROSSTALK] I was gonna ask you about little pro-tips and life hacks for travelers cuz I'm going on that big trip. [CROSSTALK] I was gonna ask you about little pro-tips and life hacks for travelers cuz I'm going on that big trip. Oh. Oh. And I'm very less traveled than you. And I'm very less traveled than you. Pro tip one, two, and three. Pro tip one, two, and three. Okay. Okay. Wear super comfortable pants. Wear super comfortable pants. Okay. Okay. Like I wear these Adi, I have like Adidas flying pants I call them. Like I wear these Adi, I have like Adidas flying pants I call them. Right. Right. Right. Right. I put those on, wear the most comfortable, if you can, like slip on sneakers. I put those on, wear the most comfortable, if you can, like slip on sneakers. Yeah. Yeah. Like I have a pair of Adidas that I haven't tied in like four years. Like I have a pair of Adidas that I haven't tied in like four years. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. And there just my flying shoes. And there just my flying shoes. Yeah. Yeah. And I put them on because they're sneakers but they're not like slippers and you can rock those. And I put them on because they're sneakers but they're not like slippers and you can rock those. You don't have to worry about going through security. You don't have to worry about going through security. It's easy. It's easy. I try not to wear a belt cuz that's annoying. I try not to wear a belt cuz that's annoying. You've gotta take off your belt. You've gotta take off your belt. You also have to take off your shoes [CROSSTALK] when going through security. You also have to take off your shoes [CROSSTALK] when going through security. Try and get a, I still believe the best seat to have. Try and get a, I still believe the best seat to have. Goes window, aisle, middle. Goes window, aisle, middle. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. I just think that window seat is the, is the place to be because you don't have to deal with the people, you know, in the aisle with your elbows getting hurt. I just think that window seat is the, is the place to be because you don't have to deal with the people, you know, in the aisle with your elbows getting hurt. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. And then obviously the middle is like the third circle of hell. And then obviously the middle is like the third circle of hell. Right. Right. So, that sort of goes without saying. So, that sort of goes without saying. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I like that. Here's also, I got another one. Here's also, I got another one. [CROSSTALK] I would also put all of the stuff on my body in my pockets. [CROSSTALK] I would also put all of the stuff on my body in my pockets. You know, they give you the option to use that tiny little bucket, but that kinda scares me. You know, they give you the option to use that tiny little bucket, but that kinda scares me. What bucket? What bucket? When you're going through the security line, you know you put your jacket in the big bin. When you're going through the security line, you know you put your jacket in the big bin. Yeah. Yeah. And they give you a tiny little, change bucket to put in your watch, your wallet, your keys, whatever else is in your pockets. And they give you a tiny little, change bucket to put in your watch, your wallet, your keys, whatever else is in your pockets. But I never do that. But I never do that. I always just put that stuff into my jeans pockets beforehand. I always just put that stuff into my jeans pockets beforehand. You're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to do that. [CROSSTALK] You're not supposed to do that. [CROSSTALK] You're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to do that? You're not supposed to do that? When was the last time you flew? When was the last time you flew? Always. Always. To Vegas. To Vegas. Well no, listen me. Well no, listen me. So, I put all that stuff into the pockets of like my jacket or something then put the jacket through the conveyor belt. So, I put all that stuff into the pockets of like my jacket or something then put the jacket through the conveyor belt. Oh I'm sorry I thouhgt you kept it on your person. Oh I'm sorry I thouhgt you kept it on your person. Oh no, no because then the, [CROSSTALK] the thing would go off. Oh no, no because then the, [CROSSTALK] the thing would go off. Alright, alright. Alright, alright. I just put that in my jacket so it's all enclosed. I just put that in my jacket so it's all enclosed. Sure. Sure. Right I put it in my shoes. Right I put it in my shoes. [CROSSTALK] That way I don't have to worry about dealing with a bunch of different things. [CROSSTALK] That way I don't have to worry about dealing with a bunch of different things. Right. Right. Good tip, good tip. Good tip, good tip. Also. Also. Here's another one. Here's another one. Nine, like, I find half the time, if I have a carry-on bag, a carry-on piece of luggage, they're still not gonna let me bring it on. Nine, like, I find half the time, if I have a carry-on bag, a carry-on piece of luggage, they're still not gonna let me bring it on. Cuz it's too big? Cuz it's too big? Right, cuz it's too big. Right, cuz it's too big. So. So. I basically, without. I basically, without. The point is don't check it if, if you can get away with bringing it through the thing. The point is don't check it if, if you can get away with bringing it through the thing. Cause you're not gonna pay the fee. Cause you're not gonna pay the fee. So, you just check it at the gate, that's free. So, you just check it at the gate, that's free. You know? You know? Oh, they don't charge you if you. Oh, they don't charge you if you. Checking at the gate is free. Checking at the gate is free. You know, are forced to check it. You know, are forced to check it. [CROSSTALK] Yeah. [CROSSTALK] Yeah. I've done that too. I've done that too. That's the move right there. That's the move right there. Try to bring it on. Try to bring it on. And then if they make you not carry it on, [LAUGH] then they'll check it in. And then if they make you not carry it on, [LAUGH] then they'll check it in. [CROSSTALK] Like honestly try and bring everything with you to the gate. [CROSSTALK] Like honestly try and bring everything with you to the gate. Sometimes they have that thing where it says like if you can't fit your luggage into this. Sometimes they have that thing where it says like if you can't fit your luggage into this. Right. Right. You can't bring it on. You can't bring it on. [CROSSTALK] They have that at security gate. [CROSSTALK] They have that at security gate. If you can get past that you're fine. If you can get past that you're fine. Right, right. Right, right. The, the thing that was that little like size detector thing was at the actual gate. The, the thing that was that little like size detector thing was at the actual gate. Not the security. Not the security. Smart, smart. Smart, smart. So, I knew, I knew I probably wasn't having this come on the plane with me. So, I knew, I knew I probably wasn't having this come on the plane with me. But I didn't mind if it gets checked. But I didn't mind if it gets checked. Rock and roll. Rock and roll. Here's my pro tip. Here's my pro tip. If you're travelling internationally, take photos using your iPhone, whatever, of all of your identification like your passport, your [CROSSTALK] ID, credit card, driver's license, all that stuff and then email it to yourself. If you're travelling internationally, take photos using your iPhone, whatever, of all of your identification like your passport, your [CROSSTALK] ID, credit card, driver's license, all that stuff and then email it to yourself. And then have a local copy of it on your phone as well in case you lose it. And then have a local copy of it on your phone as well in case you lose it. Right. Right. What about dummy wallets? What about dummy wallets? Because I'm going to be going to not third world countries, definitely second world countries like China. Because I'm going to be going to not third world countries, definitely second world countries like China. [CROSSTALK] Dummy wallets? [CROSSTALK] Dummy wallets? Yeah, because I'm afraid of getting pick-pocketed and I don't want to have to have one of those like. Yeah, because I'm afraid of getting pick-pocketed and I don't want to have to have one of those like. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Why don't you put your wallet in your front pocket and never worry about it? Why don't you put your wallet in your front pocket and never worry about it? Yeah, I could do that. Yeah, I could do that. You'll have to get different kinds of jeans though. You'll have to get different kinds of jeans though. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah, [LAUGH] what if I had a dummy, I was thinking about doing a dummy wallet? Yeah, [LAUGH] what if I had a dummy, I was thinking about doing a dummy wallet? That's just another freakin' thing to carry. That's just another freakin' thing to carry. You're crazy. You're crazy. And then like have the pictures that come with the wallet. And then like have the pictures that come with the wallet. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Get a chain wallet. Get a chain wallet. Like Sons of Anarchy? Like Sons of Anarchy? [LAUGH] Yeah, dude. [LAUGH] Yeah, dude. Yeah. Yeah. No that's a. Security hazard too, right. No that's a. Security hazard too, right. I feel like you'd get a red flag for that. I feel like you'd get a red flag for that. [CROSSTALK] maybe, perhaps. [CROSSTALK] maybe, perhaps. yeah, I don't know what you do with that. yeah, I don't know what you do with that. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, you're kind of, you just put it in your front pocket. It's a, you're kind of, you just put it in your front pocket. Okay, put it in your front pocket. Okay, put it in your front pocket. What else? What else? You got, you have any travel tips for me? You got, you have any travel tips for me? That's about it. That's about it. [CROSSTALK] I think we've pretty we covered the gamut right that. [CROSSTALK] I think we've pretty we covered the gamut right that. Yeah, sounds about right. Yeah, sounds about right. I heard this life hack, reading this life hack online that when it comes time to by airline tickets, you should clear your cache. I heard this life hack, reading this life hack online that when it comes time to by airline tickets, you should clear your cache. And if you can, you should set your location to somewhere else. And if you can, you should set your location to somewhere else. RIght, right, yeah, we've talked about that. RIght, right, yeah, we've talked about that. Yeah, so that way you would get. Yeah, so that way you would get. And maybe even do the PC, too. And maybe even do the PC, too. Cause there's a rumor that they charge you more if they sense you're using a Mac. Cause there's a rumor that they charge you more if they sense you're using a Mac. Right. Right. yeah. yeah. What else you got? What else you got? That's it. That's it. We've spent a lot on. We've spent a lot on. Hacking. Hacking. [CROSSTALK] How are you at hacking? [CROSSTALK] How are you at hacking? Just, just. Just, just. You a roller? You a roller? Just terrible. Just terrible. [CROSSTALK] You gotta be a roller, not a folder, that's the life hack. [CROSSTALK] You gotta be a roller, not a folder, that's the life hack. For your jeans. For your jeans. Everything. Everything. No. No. Yes [CROSSTALK] You don't? Yes [CROSSTALK] You don't? Yes. Yes. With, dress shirts can't be rolled. With, dress shirts can't be rolled. Maybe not dress shirts, [CROSSTALK] but t-shirts definitely rolled up. Maybe not dress shirts, [CROSSTALK] but t-shirts definitely rolled up. Of course, yeah. Of course, yeah. Socks, underwear. Socks, underwear. Do not fold, roll. Do not fold, roll. Right. Right. It's even better to roll than to stack. It's even better to roll than to stack. You know, some people fold than stack. You know, some people fold than stack. Yeah. Yeah. Others just lay it out. Others just lay it out. Right. Right. It's better to roll. It's better to roll. Okay. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. You know, I learn something new every day on this show. You know, I learn something new every day on this show. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] My facts baby. My facts baby. I love them. I love them. Alright. Alright. Let's talk about Tom Hanks. Let's talk about Tom Hanks. I love Tom Hanks. I love Tom Hanks. Can I just say I love Tom Hanks. Can I just say I love Tom Hanks. I was watching Apollo 13 the other day. I was watching Apollo 13 the other day. Holy crap is that movie brilliant. Holy crap is that movie brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. It really is. It really is. It's so good. It's so good. They. They. I don't know what is it about him. I don't know what is it about him. I'm in love with Tom Hanks. I'm in love with Tom Hanks. I said it. I said it. I'm in love with Tom Hanks. I'm in love with Tom Hanks. [LAUGH] He's played every single role possible. [LAUGH] He's played every single role possible. Has he ever been in a bad movie before? Has he ever been in a bad movie before? Yeah. Yeah. Of course he has, but I can't think of anyway. Of course he has, but I can't think of anyway. That Castaway movie wasn't very good. That Castaway movie wasn't very good. No, Castaway was good. No, Castaway was good. DaVinci Code was worse. DaVinci Code was worse. DaVinci Code's very bad. DaVinci Code's very bad. Yeah. Yeah. Cool hair, very bad movie. Cool hair, very bad movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yea. Yea. What else is good that he's done. What else is good that he's done. Wha, are you serious? Wha, are you serious? Do you even have to like, name. Do you even have to like, name. Toy Story. Toy Story. No, that doesn't come up in like the great films he's made. No, that doesn't come up in like the great films he's made. I guess, [LAUGH] I mean it just voi, I mean voice acting is go, a thing. I guess, [LAUGH] I mean it just voi, I mean voice acting is go, a thing. Okay. Okay. What about Philadelphia, what about Forrest Gump? What about Philadelphia, what about Forrest Gump? You've got mail. You've got mail. [LAUGH] Forrest Gump yes! [LAUGH] Forrest Gump yes! Of course, Saving Private Ryan duh. Of course, Saving Private Ryan duh. Yea, but. Yea, but. I mean. I mean. Sleepless in Seattle's good, I mean, you've got Mail's great but Sleepless in Seattle's, its nonstop right there. Sleepless in Seattle's good, I mean, you've got Mail's great but Sleepless in Seattle's, its nonstop right there. Say what you need to say because I don't like being trolled on Friday. Say what you need to say because I don't like being trolled on Friday. Big? Big? Big oh legendary. Big oh legendary. Legendary film. Legendary film. Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks. [CROSSTALK] Bachelor Party. [CROSSTALK] Bachelor Party. Joins the ranks of the Zach Braffs of the world. Joins the ranks of the Zach Braffs of the world. In sort of having some having some questionable activity online. In sort of having some having some questionable activity online. So, there's this new service called Junction. So, there's this new service called Junction. And it's basically Kickstasrter for rich actors. And it's basically Kickstasrter for rich actors. And the idea is that you know it's basically just an investment company that's open to the public. And the idea is that you know it's basically just an investment company that's open to the public. And when you contribute you basically help to finance popular films from actors like Tom Hanks, who, in fact, is on here in a campaign. And when you contribute you basically help to finance popular films from actors like Tom Hanks, who, in fact, is on here in a campaign. Okay. Okay. So the catch though, is that they only support rich people. So the catch though, is that they only support rich people. So, it's kinda like you know, this network of, of really, really affluent people. So, it's kinda like you know, this network of, of really, really affluent people. It's the catch is that you can't even donate a little. It's the catch is that you can't even donate a little. You know on Kickstarter, there's the option to like donate $5 if you want? You know on Kickstarter, there's the option to like donate $5 if you want? Sure. Sure. well, in order to even sign up for Junction, you have to have an annual income of $200,000 or a net worth of at least a million dollars. well, in order to even sign up for Junction, you have to have an annual income of $200,000 or a net worth of at least a million dollars. Okay. Okay. Before you can even sign up, you have to, you have to at least. Before you can even sign up, you have to, you have to at least. Qualify for one of those. Qualify for one of those. Okay. Okay. So far, I don't, I'm not against this. So far, I don't, I'm not against this. Okay. Okay. And the money raised is used sort of as an additional cushion for money, movies that are already funded. And the money raised is used sort of as an additional cushion for money, movies that are already funded. So, whether or not you decide to fund a campaign, the movie's gonna get made, right. So, whether or not you decide to fund a campaign, the movie's gonna get made, right. It already has backers, so this isn't like an independent movie. It already has backers, so this isn't like an independent movie. Funding program. Funding program. These are moves that have already gotten backers, producers, and actors assigned. These are moves that have already gotten backers, producers, and actors assigned. Into the roles. Into the roles. But you're contributing money to basically just. But you're contributing money to basically just. Act as an additional cushion. Act as an additional cushion. Or a replacement for existing donations from other funders. Or a replacement for existing donations from other funders. So am I getting anything out of this. So am I getting anything out of this. Am I getting a return. Am I getting a return. You're getting. You're getting. [CROSSTALK] Clearly I'm not just donating. [CROSSTALK] Clearly I'm not just donating. A million dollars to a movie. A million dollars to a movie. Right. Right. I think the idea is that if you're so rich that you can donate a million dollars, you don't really care what the rewards are. I think the idea is that if you're so rich that you can donate a million dollars, you don't really care what the rewards are. No. No. I do. I do. It's just that. It's just that. People with millions of dollars want to make more millions of dollars. People with millions of dollars want to make more millions of dollars. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] It should be the option that if you donated a million dollars, you get producer credit. [LAUGH] It should be the option that if you donated a million dollars, you get producer credit. Or, you get a walk on rule. Or, you get a walk on rule. If you donate a million dollars to a film. If you donate a million dollars to a film. That's significant. That's significant. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you should really get either like, a percentage point of the box office gross, [CROSSTALK] or do something. I mean you should really get either like, a percentage point of the box office gross, [CROSSTALK] or do something. Right, yeah. Right, yeah. Come on. Come on. What, what the hell is this for then? What, what the hell is this for then? Well, [LAUGH] because I can't sign up since I don't, you know, I don't make $200,000 a year and I don't have a net worth of $4 million. Well, [LAUGH] because I can't sign up since I don't, you know, I don't make $200,000 a year and I don't have a net worth of $4 million. Yet. Yet. Yet. Yet. Yet. Yet. I can't see what the incentives are for you to donate. I can't see what the incentives are for you to donate. But if you do, [LAUGH] let us know cuz, there's, there's actually a Tom Hanks film that's on there right now. But if you do, [LAUGH] let us know cuz, there's, there's actually a Tom Hanks film that's on there right now. It's one of the biggest, the most funded campaigns. It's one of the biggest, the most funded campaigns. It's for a movie called A Hologram For the King, which is an adaptation. It's for a movie called A Hologram For the King, which is an adaptation. A novel by Dave Eggers. A novel by Dave Eggers. He's the guy that did, heartbreaking. He's the guy that did, heartbreaking. Oh, I'm sorry [CROSSTALK] A Staggering Work of Heartbreaking Genius. Oh, I'm sorry [CROSSTALK] A Staggering Work of Heartbreaking Genius. That, that's an intense book. That, that's an intense book. Whoo. Whoo. Have you read that? Have you read that? [CROSSTALK] I have. [CROSSTALK] I have. You don't read. You don't read. I do read, good. I do read, good. [LAUGH] I read real good. [LAUGH] I read real good. Alright, summarize that mov, the book for me. Alright, summarize that mov, the book for me. It's like his mom died. It's like his mom died. You didn't read that book. You didn't read that book. The film's gonna star Tom Hanks. The film's gonna star Tom Hanks. [LAUGH] And it's directed by. [LAUGH] And it's directed by. You didn't read it? You didn't read it? I didn't read it, no. I didn't read it, no. [CROSSTALK] I could barely even read the title. [CROSSTALK] I could barely even read the title. No, I did read that book. No, I did read that book. Really? Really? Yeah, Dave Eggers, man. Yeah, Dave Eggers, man. Okay, Dave Eggers. Okay, Dave Eggers. yeah. yeah. [LAUGH] It's directed by this German director named Tom Tykwer. [LAUGH] It's directed by this German director named Tom Tykwer. Okay. Okay. Anyway, so that's basically on its way to getting funded. Anyway, so that's basically on its way to getting funded. Thanks to. Thanks to. This company Junction. This company Junction. So, if you have a lot of money, here's something you can do with it that we can't. So, if you have a lot of money, here's something you can do with it that we can't. That, there, we haven't done enough research on this. That, there, we haven't done enough research on this. Something, there is something, some incentive to donate. Something, there is something, some incentive to donate. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Copious amounts of money, towards a movie that's already gonna be made whether or not you donate. Copious amounts of money, towards a movie that's already gonna be made whether or not you donate. Yeah, that was the part that confused me, cuz I figured oh this was for movies that would get trashed, or whatever if you didn't contribute. Yeah, that was the part that confused me, cuz I figured oh this was for movies that would get trashed, or whatever if you didn't contribute. But, yeah, it says right here, they're already funded. But, yeah, it says right here, they're already funded. [LAUGH] It doesn't matter if you do anything or not. [LAUGH] It doesn't matter if you do anything or not. It's a non-story. It's a non-story. Okay. Okay. Slow news day. Slow news day. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All right. All right. Last story of the day. Last story of the day. And what do we got? And what do we got? Mix tapes. Mix tapes. What do you think? What do you think? [CROSSTALK] Yeah, buddy. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, buddy. [LAUGH] That's the story. [LAUGH] That's the story. Mix tapes, what do you think, huh? Mix tapes, what do you think, huh? [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Sports night. Sports night. I don't know, what do we think about mix tapes? I don't know, what do we think about mix tapes? Mix tapes are still alive. Mix tapes are still alive. I, I made a mix tape for my girlfriend the other day, except it's, shouldn't be called a mix tape anymore. I, I made a mix tape for my girlfriend the other day, except it's, shouldn't be called a mix tape anymore. Cause I just gave her a CD. Cause I just gave her a CD. Really, you gave her a CD. Really, you gave her a CD. Yea, I gave her a CD, and then she burned and then uploaded the songs to her iPod. Yea, I gave her a CD, and then she burned and then uploaded the songs to her iPod. Why didn't you just give her a thumb drive. Why didn't you just give her a thumb drive. I dunno, that, I dunno I guess I could do that, but it, [LAUGH] the CD felt a lot cooler than giving someone a thumb drive. I dunno, that, I dunno I guess I could do that, but it, [LAUGH] the CD felt a lot cooler than giving someone a thumb drive. Alright. Alright. It's your life. It's your life. When was the last time you made a mix tape? When was the last time you made a mix tape? A tape? A tape? I'm gonna say, cassette. I'm gonna say, cassette. [SOUND] 1996? [SOUND] 1996? 7? 7? For Stacey? For Stacey? No. No. Didn't know her then. Didn't know her then. For some other girl? For some other girl? Really dude? Really dude? What? What? That's a long time ago. That's a long time ago. 1996. 1996. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were like. You were like. 12 years old. 12 years old. I was like 14. I was like 14. [SOUND]. [SOUND]. Yeah, I guess that's that's, that's probably the last time that I like really made the effort, you know, printed out the track listing. Yeah, I guess that's that's, that's probably the last time that I like really made the effort, you know, printed out the track listing. Oh, you put it on the cover. Oh, you put it on the cover. [CROSSTALK] Slid it in the little cassette cover. [CROSSTALK] Slid it in the little cassette cover. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Did you make art for it? Did you make art for it? Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes I would find the lyrics online and print those out as well. Sometimes I would find the lyrics online and print those out as well. Did you name the tapes? Did you name the tapes? Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. [CROSSTALK] A lyric to one of the songs that was on it. [CROSSTALK] A lyric to one of the songs that was on it. It was just like, utter confusion. It was just like, utter confusion. You know? You know? A heartbreaking work of staggering genius. A heartbreaking work of staggering genius. It would just be like, black soul death. It would just be like, black soul death. Geez. Geez. [LAUGH] What kinda mixes were you making for people? [LAUGH] What kinda mixes were you making for people? Whatever it is. Whatever it is. What about you, Ari, when was the last time you made a mix? What about you, Ari, when was the last time you made a mix? When, when I started talking to Christina, I made her one. When, when I started talking to Christina, I made her one. Nice. Nice. But, the, so that's probably like, four years ago? But, the, so that's probably like, four years ago? Did you make her, you made her a CD? Did you make her, you made her a CD? Yeah, I made a CD, yeah. Yeah, I made a CD, yeah. I definitely did the CD thing too. I definitely did the CD thing too. Sure. Sure. But I did it for myself. But I did it for myself. I don't think I ever made it for someone else. I don't think I ever made it for someone else. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Do you think Christine still kept that CD? Do you think Christine still kept that CD? She still has, probably not. She still has, probably not. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] No? No? I mean she probably like, just downloaded all the songs and then threw away the CD. I mean she probably like, just downloaded all the songs and then threw away the CD. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's probably would've done. You know, that's probably would've done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I miss those days. I miss those days. Do you? Do you? Fond memories. Fond memories. I, I mean, you still make mixes, maybe not a mix tape, quote unquote. I, I mean, you still make mixes, maybe not a mix tape, quote unquote. [CROSSTALK] You just click buttons to make [CROSSTALK] You just click buttons to make But if you've ever made a playlist. But if you've ever made a playlist. Yeah. Yeah. Then it's basically the same thing as a mix tape. Then it's basically the same thing as a mix tape. Right, it's your own mix. Right, it's your own mix. Yeah, but the problem with mixes now is that they're not tangible. Yeah, but the problem with mixes now is that they're not tangible. I think that was the cool part about it before. I think that was the cool part about it before. Right. Right. You actually had the artwork and personality. You actually had the artwork and personality. Yeah, [CROSSTALK] right, you'd be like aw, man, Jeff made that sick mix. Yeah, [CROSSTALK] right, you'd be like aw, man, Jeff made that sick mix. You got that? You got that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now that's what Jeff calls music, volume five. Now that's what Jeff calls music, volume five. [CROSSTALK] There you go. [CROSSTALK] There you go. so, the, and the problem with that is that there's no music discovery anymore either. so, the, and the problem with that is that there's no music discovery anymore either. It's all algorithms and stuff that recommend music to you. It's all algorithms and stuff that recommend music to you. Sure. Sure. But there's a new social experiment going on online and I think it's really cool. But there's a new social experiment going on online and I think it's really cool. It's called 12. It's called 12. Okay. Okay. Although, it's written X dash. Although, it's written X dash. Two, or X dash I,I. Two, or X dash I,I. Roman numeral two. Roman numeral two. Right But it's pronounced 12. Right But it's pronounced 12. And play this video while we talk about it. And play this video while we talk about it. It all starts with what we're seeing here. It all starts with what we're seeing here. Which is called the 12 tapes. Which is called the 12 tapes. And they kind of look like a regular cassette tape. And they kind of look like a regular cassette tape. But square. But square. Like, small and square instead of a rectangle. Like, small and square instead of a rectangle. And each of these 12 tapes has a low energy bluetooth. And each of these 12 tapes has a low energy bluetooth. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Sensor inside of it, right? Sensor inside of it, right? And so, when you get one of these, you basically just hold it up to your phone. And so, when you get one of these, you basically just hold it up to your phone. And by proximity, thanks to the bluetooth, it automatically pairs, and then starts up the app, which you previously downloaded, right? And by proximity, thanks to the bluetooth, it automatically pairs, and then starts up the app, which you previously downloaded, right? And then it shows a screen which basically has tiles of all the songs that are embedded. And then it shows a screen which basically has tiles of all the songs that are embedded. That's kinda cool. That's kinda cool. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Onto Onto It's Friday, March 28, 2014. It's Friday, March 28, 2014. I'm Ariel Nunez from our CBS Studios in New York City. I'm Ariel Nunez from our CBS Studios in New York City. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] Welcome to the 404. Welcome to the 404. What's up, everyone? What's up, everyone? Welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Jeff Bakalar. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] And I'm Justin Yu. And I'm Justin Yu. That was an awesome intro. That was an awesome intro. I feel like. I feel like. Well, thank you. Well, thank you. 30 times more important right now. 30 times more important right now. [LAUGH] I'm not gonna lie. [LAUGH] I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. That was great, Ariel. That was great, Ariel. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Thank you. Thank you. Good job [INAUDIBLE]. Good job [INAUDIBLE]. We're like the only podcast on the internet with an official announcer. We're like the only podcast on the internet with an official announcer. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] No, no, no. No, no, no. [LAUGH] Does anybody else do that? [LAUGH] Does anybody else do that? Fug, yes. Fug, yes. No one else does that. No one else does that. [LAUGH] No one else had Ariel Nunez doing it for them, but us. [LAUGH] No one else had Ariel Nunez doing it for them, but us. Right, we're the only one with Ariel. Right, we're the only one with Ariel. And I said, [CROSSTALK] Fug by the way. And I said, [CROSSTALK] Fug by the way. [LAUGH] Either want to. [LAUGH] Either want to. Good to know that. Good to know that. What were you saying dude. What were you saying dude. Said I'm not cheap so. Said I'm not cheap so. You're not cheap. You're not cheap. [CROSSTALK] Only some people could afford to have me host. [CROSSTALK] Only some people could afford to have me host. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah. Yeah. Intro. Intro. Speaking of which we got to renew. Speaking of which we got to renew. His contract now. His contract now. [LAUGH] We're just going to keep adding more thing for you to do. [LAUGH] We're just going to keep adding more thing for you to do. In the intro. In the intro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause [LAUGH] it doesn't seem like you have enough. Cause [LAUGH] it doesn't seem like you have enough. It looks liek your nose is. It looks liek your nose is. Freeze. Freeze. [LAUGH] So we'll have you with that too. [LAUGH] So we'll have you with that too. Just have him painting something. Just have him painting something. Both hands, [CROSSTALK] and you're saying something, and you're painting at the same time. Both hands, [CROSSTALK] and you're saying something, and you're painting at the same time. [LAUGH] What else? [LAUGH] What else? He's an octopus. He's an octopus. [LAUGH] Alright, so welcome to the show everyone. [LAUGH] Alright, so welcome to the show everyone. I don't know, what are we calling this? I don't know, what are we calling this? Like, like black out 2014? Like, like black out 2014? [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Like itunes-mageddon? Like itunes-mageddon? Well, it's Friday. Well, it's Friday. We've now gone a full week in the dark. We've now gone a full week in the dark. We think it might be fixed today, but that's hilarious. We think it might be fixed today, but that's hilarious. [LAUGH] Yeah. [LAUGH] Yeah. So we'll see. So we'll see. I mean we really appreciate. I mean we really appreciate. If you are listening to this, we would imagine you're in very limited company, because of the difficulties people are having getting our program. If you are listening to this, we would imagine you're in very limited company, because of the difficulties people are having getting our program. I should say that we already know that the RSS feeds aren't updating. I should say that we already know that the RSS feeds aren't updating. We've been getting a lot of emails. We've been getting a lot of emails. [LAUGH] People. [LAUGH] People. Yeah but it's weird because they'll say hey I've been listening to the show for the past five years. Yeah but it's weird because they'll say hey I've been listening to the show for the past five years. Just wanted to let you know that your RSS feeds are down. Just wanted to let you know that your RSS feeds are down. Well you haven't listened for the past four days then. Well you haven't listened for the past four days then. Right. Right. Right. Right. Which I don't understand that. Which I don't understand that. We are aware of the problem. We are aware of the problem. Thank you to everyone who is letting us know that but. Thank you to everyone who is letting us know that but. We're working on that even though it doesn't seem like it because nothing changes. We're working on that even though it doesn't seem like it because nothing changes. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully today. Hopefully today. Yeah. Yeah. We got one email from some dudes like how hard is it to fix. We got one email from some dudes like how hard is it to fix. And dude, I, I don't know. And dude, I, I don't know. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Like a team of 30 people that are not getting any sleep all week just trying to solve this problem. Like a team of 30 people that are not getting any sleep all week just trying to solve this problem. And it's not just 404 either. And it's not just 404 either. Don't think that CNS just, you know, turning a blind eye to this problem. Don't think that CNS just, you know, turning a blind eye to this problem. You know this is affecting CNS update, apple bite, all the shows you like on CNS. You know this is affecting CNS update, apple bite, all the shows you like on CNS. So. So. Right. Right. Once we get up, everyone else will too. Once we get up, everyone else will too. Yes. Yes. I guess. I guess. I don't know. I don't know. Let's put that out of our minds. Let's put that out of our minds. Hope that it just works itself out. Hope that it just works itself out. Yeah, that always works well for this show. Yeah, that always works well for this show. [LAUGH] I feel like that's the mantra for this show. [LAUGH] I feel like that's the mantra for this show. Just slide that thing under the rug. Just slide that thing under the rug. It'll, it'll get fixed. It'll, it'll get fixed. There's really. There's really. You know, capable people. You know, capable people. Yeah. Yeah. Filled out our hand-out so I, I feel comfortable saying that. Filled out our hand-out so I, I feel comfortable saying that. We got bigger problems to deal with too and, let's do a really quick run-down before we get to the stories. We got bigger problems to deal with too and, let's do a really quick run-down before we get to the stories. We're gonna talk about. We're gonna talk about. An app that you may have downloaded on your Android phone, that actually has a Trojan on it to mine Bitcoin. An app that you may have downloaded on your Android phone, that actually has a Trojan on it to mine Bitcoin. It's really crazy. It's really crazy. I can live with that. I can live with that. Yeah. Yeah. And then, we're gonna find some way to sort of feed tech into this next story, but [INAUDIBLE] crazy. And then, we're gonna find some way to sort of feed tech into this next story, but [INAUDIBLE] crazy. Have you heard about those LAX baggage handlers, that were caught stealing things? Have you heard about those LAX baggage handlers, that were caught stealing things? And they've been doing so for years. And they've been doing so for years. Well, that's shocking. Well, that's shocking. I know. I know. So, we're gonna talk about that, give you the details, and exactly what they stole, and where they were selling it. So, we're gonna talk about that, give you the details, and exactly what they stole, and where they were selling it. Okay. Okay. Then we're gonna talk about a Tom Hanks project to basically start a new Kickstarter. Then we're gonna talk about a Tom Hanks project to basically start a new Kickstarter. Type app, online, but only for rich people. Type app, online, but only for rich people. It's basically a kick stater for rich people, hosted by Tom Hanks. It's basically a kick stater for rich people, hosted by Tom Hanks. Isn't that like real life? Isn't that like real life? [CROSSTALK] Isn't that just like the start market? [CROSSTALK] Isn't that just like the start market? Yea it's called, [LAUGH] it's called first world economy. Yea it's called, [LAUGH] it's called first world economy. I figure it's just called capitalism. I figure it's just called capitalism. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Yea. Yea. It's a new app called capitalism, download it now. It's a new app called capitalism, download it now. And then we are going finish up with a company that is sort of endeavoring to revive the mix tape. And then we are going finish up with a company that is sort of endeavoring to revive the mix tape. Okay. Okay. Which i think we all have a history with. Which i think we all have a history with. Very dearly. Very dearly. I know how many mix tapes you've sent out. I know how many mix tapes you've sent out. I mean, I mean, this isn't like 1994. I mean, I mean, this isn't like 1994. But you did in the past. But you did in the past. Of course I did. Of course I did. I know you did too? I know you did too? [CROSSTALK] Oh yea, well like make mix tapes? [CROSSTALK] Oh yea, well like make mix tapes? Yea. Yea. For sure. For sure. Right, and when I was a child I speak as a child but now I'm an old man and I do old man things. Right, and when I was a child I speak as a child but now I'm an old man and I do old man things. Oreal is really old. Oreal is really old. [CROSSTALK] He was making mix eight tracks. [CROSSTALK] He was making mix eight tracks. Yea. Yea. [LAUGH] Totally. [LAUGH] Totally. I was pressing vinyls. I was pressing vinyls. [LAUGH] Mix. [LAUGH] Mix. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] Very long process. Very long process. [LAUGH] Took about six months. [LAUGH] Took about six months. Yeah, that's genius. Yeah, that's genius. Let's start that. Let's start that. One, and it was only one side [LAUGH] because you just got fed up after. One, and it was only one side [LAUGH] because you just got fed up after. It's like. It's like. Yeah, those little 45s. Yeah, those little 45s. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] He was like forget it. He was like forget it. Two songs, that's it. Two songs, that's it. That's genius, let's do that. That's genius, let's do that. Getting into the first story though. Getting into the first story though. This is scary, and, Jeff, I know you have an Android phone so this may apply to you. This is scary, and, Jeff, I know you have an Android phone so this may apply to you. Hold on, you can hear me trembling in fear. Hold on, you can hear me trembling in fear. Can you let me finish there's, there's people that have actually downloaded these two apps. Can you let me finish there's, there's people that have actually downloaded these two apps. I'm sure I have too. I'm sure I have too. Yea, the apps are, that we're talking about are called. Yea, the apps are, that we're talking about are called. Songs and prized. Songs and prized. No I didn't. No I didn't. Those are the ones that you're looking for and, you know, it seems like every day we talk about a new security flaw but the latest one is that researchers just discovered. Those are the ones that you're looking for and, you know, it seems like every day we talk about a new security flaw but the latest one is that researchers just discovered. That at least those two apps, maybe more, in the Google play store. That at least those two apps, maybe more, in the Google play store. Actually contain hidden code that use your phone to mine crypto-currency. Actually contain hidden code that use your phone to mine crypto-currency. Stuff like bitcoin, and then doge-coin. Stuff like bitcoin, and then doge-coin. Doge-coin? Doge-coin? [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah, have you heard of that. Yeah, have you heard of that. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. Based on that internet meme. Based on that internet meme. So monies. So monies. Yeah, such awkwardness. Yeah, such awkwardness. [CROSSTALK] Right. [CROSSTALK] Right. and, and so this is how it works. and, and so this is how it works. Songs and Prize, those apps each have between a million and 5 million downloads a piece. Songs and Prize, those apps each have between a million and 5 million downloads a piece. So, just because you don't have it, just, there's definitely other people that are affected. So, just because you don't have it, just, there's definitely other people that are affected. You know, it's not really one of these problems that is really gonna ruin your phone. You know, it's not really one of these problems that is really gonna ruin your phone. You know, they're not stealing your personal information. You know, they're not stealing your personal information. It's just a process, man. It's just a process, man. [CROSSTALK] It's just a process that's running in the background. [CROSSTALK] It's just a process that's running in the background. Sure. Sure. That's just you volunteering to make money for somebody else who's running a program. That's just you volunteering to make money for somebody else who's running a program. So this is how it works. So this is how it works. They basically get around the legal ramifications of this by baring, of admitting the mining. They basically get around the legal ramifications of this by baring, of admitting the mining. In the terms of service, so you know that thing in the beginning where you have to put I agree. In the terms of service, so you know that thing in the beginning where you have to put I agree. Right. Right. You have to click I agree and it has a huge line of text no wants to read that crap. You have to click I agree and it has a huge line of text no wants to read that crap. No one ever does yeah. No one ever does yeah. Buried within that it actually says, in the background we're gonna mine bit coins using the processing power on your phone. Buried within that it actually says, in the background we're gonna mine bit coins using the processing power on your phone. And so, you know, since no one reads that and they just hit okay, then it kind of absolves them of, of any legal stuff. And so, you know, since no one reads that and they just hit okay, then it kind of absolves them of, of any legal stuff. It's it's brilliant, is what it is. It's it's brilliant, is what it is. Yeah, it's really smart. Yeah, it's really smart. So it harnesses the power of your phone to, basically collaborate on solving these complex equations, and then it takes that. So it harnesses the power of your phone to, basically collaborate on solving these complex equations, and then it takes that. And use with those solved equations in conjunction with other phones doing the same thing, to basically come up with new bitcoins which then, they can trade for money. And use with those solved equations in conjunction with other phones doing the same thing, to basically come up with new bitcoins which then, they can trade for money. Right. Right. It's kinda smart. It's kinda smart. It's like this really hidden pyramid scheme. It's like this really hidden pyramid scheme. It's still the wild west man, when it comes to apps and stuff. It's still the wild west man, when it comes to apps and stuff. The internet? The internet? Yeah, it's wild, wild west. Yeah, it's wild, wild west. Yeah, there's no getting around it right? Yeah, there's no getting around it right? I feel like everything's a Trojan nowadays. I feel like everything's a Trojan nowadays. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, everything you have, whether it's like. It's like, everything you have, whether it's like. You know, we always say this, but if the app is free then you're the product right? You know, we always say this, but if the app is free then you're the product right? Yes. Yes. Either they're taking control of your eyeballs with adds. Either they're taking control of your eyeballs with adds. Or they're tracking you. Or they're tracking you. [CROSSTALK] Or they're stealing your data. [CROSSTALK] Or they're stealing your data. You can't open up credit cards anymore. You can't open up credit cards anymore. They're leeches, these apps. They're leeches, these apps. They just want to suck some sort of information. They just want to suck some sort of information. Right. Right. Right, right, right. Right, right, right. And whether or not it's visible or not, it's happening in the background. And whether or not it's visible or not, it's happening in the background. So. So. Who downloads a, who downloads an app called songs? Who downloads a, who downloads an app called songs? Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know what songs does. I don't even know what songs does. Have you heard of that? Have you heard of that? Songs or prized. Songs or prized. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, I'm not sure what that is. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, I'm not sure what that is. Who are you people doing this? Who are you people doing this? But could you imagine I mean like, conspiracy theory alert. But could you imagine I mean like, conspiracy theory alert. What if something like I don't know Flappy Bird, or Angry Birds or something like that. What if something like I don't know Flappy Bird, or Angry Birds or something like that. Random game that got super popular. Random game that got super popular. Yeah. Yeah. Was actually a front for BitCoin mining, and meanwhile there's this like bird character. Was actually a front for BitCoin mining, and meanwhile there's this like bird character. [CROSSTALK] For a really long time and then get caught and that's that. [CROSSTALK] For a really long time and then get caught and that's that. Genius. Genius. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what we should [UNKNOWN]. I think that's what we should [UNKNOWN]. Think you're just bitter you didn't come up with it. Think you're just bitter you didn't come up with it. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. I am. I am. You can mine stuff. You can mine stuff. The problem is that you know, obviously mining Bitcoins takes huge computers that are running all day long. The problem is that you know, obviously mining Bitcoins takes huge computers that are running all day long. And you have to keep them powered and keep them from going to sleep. And you have to keep them powered and keep them from going to sleep. You would know if, if something was running this extreme in the background of your phone. You would know if, if something was running this extreme in the background of your phone. Because the battery life would get depleted. Because the battery life would get depleted. [CROSSTALK] Right, and then you would probably be able to say oh, I, you could isolate the problem through one. [CROSSTALK] Right, and then you would probably be able to say oh, I, you could isolate the problem through one. Cuz if you got, you got rid of it and you're done. Cuz if you got, you got rid of it and you're done. And you're done. And you're done. Your phone'll also get really hot. Your phone'll also get really hot. So if you've noticed those two issues, your phone getting really hot and your battery running down really quickly. So if you've noticed those two issues, your phone getting really hot and your battery running down really quickly. A hot phone? A hot phone? [CROSSTALK] A hot phone. [CROSSTALK] A hot phone. Just, you know, make sure that you're not, downloading one of these apps and that's it. Just, you know, make sure that you're not, downloading one of these apps and that's it. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, tell me about the L.A.X. Alright, tell me about the L.A.X. baggage handlers. baggage handlers. Yeah, I guess this isn't huge news, but it's definitely one of the biggest cases we've seen of baggage handlers stealing stuff from people's luggage. Yeah, I guess this isn't huge news, but it's definitely one of the biggest cases we've seen of baggage handlers stealing stuff from people's luggage. So, yesterday the authorities announced that for the last four months. So, yesterday the authorities announced that for the last four months. They've been conducting this investigation into 14 baggage handlers at LAX. They've been conducting this investigation into 14 baggage handlers at LAX. Who's this woman behind us right now? Who's this woman behind us right now? [CROSSTALK] I know, she's pretty. [CROSSTALK] I know, she's pretty. I know, it kinda stole my glance for a second. I know, it kinda stole my glance for a second. She is pretty. She is pretty. They suspected these 14 handlers of stealing. They suspected these 14 handlers of stealing. And so they set up a sting operation over the last four months. And so they set up a sting operation over the last four months. And then after. And then after. Basically, researching over 25 search warrants they found thousands of dollars worth of passenger stuff. Basically, researching over 25 search warrants they found thousands of dollars worth of passenger stuff. And not only that, they found the stuff, they also found records of Craig's lists transactions that they were going on afterwards. And not only that, they found the stuff, they also found records of Craig's lists transactions that they were going on afterwards. That's sort of the tech angle we're taking here. That's sort of the tech angle we're taking here. [LAUGH] They went on Craigs' lists and asked for it. [LAUGH] They went on Craigs' lists and asked for it. So just to sell the stuff that they had. So just to sell the stuff that they had. Craigslist, Craigslist was the fence. Craigslist, Craigslist was the fence. Yeah. Yeah. So, that, okay, fair enough. So, that, okay, fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's where they went. I mean, that's where they went. That's like basically the black market of stolen gear now. That's like basically the black market of stolen gear now. And it was like, you know, things like electronics, computers jewelry. And it was like, you know, things like electronics, computers jewelry. Why people were putting this expensive stuff into the baggage they checked in doesn't really make sense. Why people were putting this expensive stuff into the baggage they checked in doesn't really make sense. [CROSSTALK] Jewelry is strange. [CROSSTALK] Jewelry is strange. If you have stuff that. If you have stuff that. Jewel, oh, there she is again. Jewel, oh, there she is again. Jewel. Jewel. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, so if you [LAUGH] have stuff that you value, bring it on the plane with you. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, so if you [LAUGH] have stuff that you value, bring it on the plane with you. Yeah. Yeah. Jewel, Jewelry is bizarre. Jewel, Jewelry is bizarre. Like, what are you doing. Like, what are you doing. Stealing jewelry. Stealing jewelry. What do you do? What do you do? Like, in, in, well, not stealing it. Like, in, in, well, not stealing it. What are you doing putting it in there? What are you doing putting it in there? What, you mean travelers? What, you mean travelers? In your luggage? In your luggage? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. [CROSSTALK] Don't check that stuff in. [CROSSTALK] Don't check that stuff in. And what else was taken out? And what else was taken out? Electronics, computers? Electronics, computers? Who puts a computer in their laptop? Who puts a computer in their laptop? I guess, if you're, if it's not your personal one. I guess, if you're, if it's not your personal one. You know, [CROSSTALK] it's like company laptop, but you're probably not supposed to do that either. You know, [CROSSTALK] it's like company laptop, but you're probably not supposed to do that either. Just don't do that. Just don't do that. Well, it didn't seem like a good for tech stuff because [CROSSTALK]. Well, it didn't seem like a good for tech stuff because [CROSSTALK]. Everything's gonna get bounced around, yeah. Everything's gonna get bounced around, yeah. You've seen, yeah, you've seen how the handlers throw those things around. You've seen, yeah, you've seen how the handlers throw those things around. It's just not a good idea. It's just not a good idea. I've been flying a lot lately and I'm starting to learn like, the little secrets. I've been flying a lot lately and I'm starting to learn like, the little secrets. Yeah. Yeah. This is good, I'm glad you brought that up. This is good, I'm glad you brought that up. [CROSSTALK] I was gonna ask you about little pro-tips and life hacks for travelers cuz I'm going on that big trip. [CROSSTALK] I was gonna ask you about little pro-tips and life hacks for travelers cuz I'm going on that big trip. Oh. Oh. And I'm very less traveled than you. And I'm very less traveled than you. Pro tip one, two, and three. Pro tip one, two, and three. Okay. Okay. Wear super comfortable pants. Wear super comfortable pants. Okay. Okay. Like I wear these Adi, I have like Adidas flying pants I call them. Like I wear these Adi, I have like Adidas flying pants I call them. Right. Right. Right. Right. I put those on, wear the most comfortable, if you can, like slip on sneakers. I put those on, wear the most comfortable, if you can, like slip on sneakers. Yeah. Yeah. Like I have a pair of Adidas that I haven't tied in like four years. Like I have a pair of Adidas that I haven't tied in like four years. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. And there just my flying shoes. And there just my flying shoes. Yeah. Yeah. And I put them on because they're sneakers but they're not like slippers and you can rock those. And I put them on because they're sneakers but they're not like slippers and you can rock those. You don't have to worry about going through security. You don't have to worry about going through security. It's easy. It's easy. I try not to wear a belt cuz that's annoying. I try not to wear a belt cuz that's annoying. You've gotta take off your belt. You've gotta take off your belt. You also have to take off your shoes [CROSSTALK] when going through security. You also have to take off your shoes [CROSSTALK] when going through security. Try and get a, I still believe the best seat to have. Try and get a, I still believe the best seat to have. Goes window, aisle, middle. Goes window, aisle, middle. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. I just think that window seat is the, is the place to be because you don't have to deal with the people, you know, in the aisle with your elbows getting hurt. I just think that window seat is the, is the place to be because you don't have to deal with the people, you know, in the aisle with your elbows getting hurt. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. And then obviously the middle is like the third circle of hell. And then obviously the middle is like the third circle of hell. Right. Right. So, that sort of goes without saying. So, that sort of goes without saying. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I like that. Here's also, I got another one. Here's also, I got another one. [CROSSTALK] I would also put all of the stuff on my body in my pockets. [CROSSTALK] I would also put all of the stuff on my body in my pockets. You know, they give you the option to use that tiny little bucket, but that kinda scares me. You know, they give you the option to use that tiny little bucket, but that kinda scares me. What bucket? What bucket? When you're going through the security line, you know you put your jacket in the big bin. When you're going through the security line, you know you put your jacket in the big bin. Yeah. Yeah. And they give you a tiny little, change bucket to put in your watch, your wallet, your keys, whatever else is in your pockets. And they give you a tiny little, change bucket to put in your watch, your wallet, your keys, whatever else is in your pockets. But I never do that. But I never do that. I always just put that stuff into my jeans pockets beforehand. I always just put that stuff into my jeans pockets beforehand. You're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to do that. [CROSSTALK] You're not supposed to do that. [CROSSTALK] You're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to do that? You're not supposed to do that? When was the last time you flew? When was the last time you flew? Always. Always. To Vegas. To Vegas. Well no, listen me. Well no, listen me. So, I put all that stuff into the pockets of like my jacket or something then put the jacket through the conveyor belt. So, I put all that stuff into the pockets of like my jacket or something then put the jacket through the conveyor belt. Oh I'm sorry I thouhgt you kept it on your person. Oh I'm sorry I thouhgt you kept it on your person. Oh no, no because then the, [CROSSTALK] the thing would go off. Oh no, no because then the, [CROSSTALK] the thing would go off. Alright, alright. Alright, alright. I just put that in my jacket so it's all enclosed. I just put that in my jacket so it's all enclosed. Sure. Sure. Right I put it in my shoes. Right I put it in my shoes. [CROSSTALK] That way I don't have to worry about dealing with a bunch of different things. [CROSSTALK] That way I don't have to worry about dealing with a bunch of different things. Right. Right. Good tip, good tip. Good tip, good tip. Also. Also. Here's another one. Here's another one. Nine, like, I find half the time, if I have a carry-on bag, a carry-on piece of luggage, they're still not gonna let me bring it on. Nine, like, I find half the time, if I have a carry-on bag, a carry-on piece of luggage, they're still not gonna let me bring it on. Cuz it's too big? Cuz it's too big? Right, cuz it's too big. Right, cuz it's too big. So. So. I basically, without. I basically, without. The point is don't check it if, if you can get away with bringing it through the thing. The point is don't check it if, if you can get away with bringing it through the thing. Cause you're not gonna pay the fee. Cause you're not gonna pay the fee. So, you just check it at the gate, that's free. So, you just check it at the gate, that's free. You know? You know? Oh, they don't charge you if you. Oh, they don't charge you if you. Checking at the gate is free. Checking at the gate is free. You know, are forced to check it. You know, are forced to check it. [CROSSTALK] Yeah. [CROSSTALK] Yeah. I've done that too. I've done that too. That's the move right there. That's the move right there. Try to bring it on. Try to bring it on. And then if they make you not carry it on, [LAUGH] then they'll check it in. And then if they make you not carry it on, [LAUGH] then they'll check it in. [CROSSTALK] Like honestly try and bring everything with you to the gate. [CROSSTALK] Like honestly try and bring everything with you to the gate. Sometimes they have that thing where it says like if you can't fit your luggage into this. Sometimes they have that thing where it says like if you can't fit your luggage into this. Right. Right. You can't bring it on. You can't bring it on. [CROSSTALK] They have that at security gate. [CROSSTALK] They have that at security gate. If you can get past that you're fine. If you can get past that you're fine. Right, right. Right, right. The, the thing that was that little like size detector thing was at the actual gate. The, the thing that was that little like size detector thing was at the actual gate. Not the security. Not the security. Smart, smart. Smart, smart. So, I knew, I knew I probably wasn't having this come on the plane with me. So, I knew, I knew I probably wasn't having this come on the plane with me. But I didn't mind if it gets checked. But I didn't mind if it gets checked. Rock and roll. Rock and roll. Here's my pro tip. Here's my pro tip. If you're travelling internationally, take photos using your iPhone, whatever, of all of your identification like your passport, your [CROSSTALK] ID, credit card, driver's license, all that stuff and then email it to yourself. If you're travelling internationally, take photos using your iPhone, whatever, of all of your identification like your passport, your [CROSSTALK] ID, credit card, driver's license, all that stuff and then email it to yourself. And then have a local copy of it on your phone as well in case you lose it. And then have a local copy of it on your phone as well in case you lose it. Right. Right. What about dummy wallets? What about dummy wallets? Because I'm going to be going to not third world countries, definitely second world countries like China. Because I'm going to be going to not third world countries, definitely second world countries like China. [CROSSTALK] Dummy wallets? [CROSSTALK] Dummy wallets? Yeah, because I'm afraid of getting pick-pocketed and I don't want to have to have one of those like. Yeah, because I'm afraid of getting pick-pocketed and I don't want to have to have one of those like. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Why don't you put your wallet in your front pocket and never worry about it? Why don't you put your wallet in your front pocket and never worry about it? Yeah, I could do that. Yeah, I could do that. You'll have to get different kinds of jeans though. You'll have to get different kinds of jeans though. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yeah, [LAUGH] what if I had a dummy, I was thinking about doing a dummy wallet? Yeah, [LAUGH] what if I had a dummy, I was thinking about doing a dummy wallet? That's just another freakin' thing to carry. That's just another freakin' thing to carry. You're crazy. You're crazy. And then like have the pictures that come with the wallet. And then like have the pictures that come with the wallet. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Get a chain wallet. Get a chain wallet. Like Sons of Anarchy? Like Sons of Anarchy? [LAUGH] Yeah, dude. [LAUGH] Yeah, dude. Yeah. Yeah. No that's a. Security hazard too, right. No that's a. Security hazard too, right. I feel like you'd get a red flag for that. I feel like you'd get a red flag for that. [CROSSTALK] maybe, perhaps. [CROSSTALK] maybe, perhaps. yeah, I don't know what you do with that. yeah, I don't know what you do with that. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, you're kind of, you just put it in your front pocket. It's a, you're kind of, you just put it in your front pocket. Okay, put it in your front pocket. Okay, put it in your front pocket. What else? What else? You got, you have any travel tips for me? You got, you have any travel tips for me? That's about it. That's about it. [CROSSTALK] I think we've pretty we covered the gamut right that. [CROSSTALK] I think we've pretty we covered the gamut right that. Yeah, sounds about right. Yeah, sounds about right. I heard this life hack, reading this life hack online that when it comes time to by airline tickets, you should clear your cache. I heard this life hack, reading this life hack online that when it comes time to by airline tickets, you should clear your cache. And if you can, you should set your location to somewhere else. And if you can, you should set your location to somewhere else. RIght, right, yeah, we've talked about that. RIght, right, yeah, we've talked about that. Yeah, so that way you would get. Yeah, so that way you would get. And maybe even do the PC, too. And maybe even do the PC, too. Cause there's a rumor that they charge you more if they sense you're using a Mac. Cause there's a rumor that they charge you more if they sense you're using a Mac. Right. Right. yeah. yeah. What else you got? What else you got? That's it. That's it. We've spent a lot on. We've spent a lot on. Hacking. Hacking. [CROSSTALK] How are you at hacking? [CROSSTALK] How are you at hacking? Just, just. Just, just. You a roller? You a roller? Just terrible. Just terrible. [CROSSTALK] You gotta be a roller, not a folder, that's the life hack. [CROSSTALK] You gotta be a roller, not a folder, that's the life hack. For your jeans. For your jeans. Everything. Everything. No. No. Yes [CROSSTALK] You don't? Yes [CROSSTALK] You don't? Yes. Yes. With, dress shirts can't be rolled. With, dress shirts can't be rolled. Maybe not dress shirts, [CROSSTALK] but t-shirts definitely rolled up. Maybe not dress shirts, [CROSSTALK] but t-shirts definitely rolled up. Of course, yeah. Of course, yeah. Socks, underwear. Socks, underwear. Do not fold, roll. Do not fold, roll. Right. Right. It's even better to roll than to stack. It's even better to roll than to stack. You know, some people fold than stack. You know, some people fold than stack. Yeah. Yeah. Others just lay it out. Others just lay it out. Right. Right. It's better to roll. It's better to roll. Okay. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. You know, I learn something new every day on this show. You know, I learn something new every day on this show. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] My facts baby. My facts baby. I love them. I love them. Alright. Alright. Let's talk about Tom Hanks. Let's talk about Tom Hanks. I love Tom Hanks. I love Tom Hanks. Can I just say I love Tom Hanks. Can I just say I love Tom Hanks. I was watching Apollo 13 the other day. I was watching Apollo 13 the other day. Holy crap is that movie brilliant. Holy crap is that movie brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. It really is. It really is. It's so good. It's so good. They. They. I don't know what is it about him. I don't know what is it about him. I'm in love with Tom Hanks. I'm in love with Tom Hanks. I said it. I said it. I'm in love with Tom Hanks. I'm in love with Tom Hanks. [LAUGH] He's played every single role possible. [LAUGH] He's played every single role possible. Has he ever been in a bad movie before? Has he ever been in a bad movie before? Yeah. Yeah. Of course he has, but I can't think of anyway. Of course he has, but I can't think of anyway. That Castaway movie wasn't very good. That Castaway movie wasn't very good. No, Castaway was good. No, Castaway was good. DaVinci Code was worse. DaVinci Code was worse. DaVinci Code's very bad. DaVinci Code's very bad. Yeah. Yeah. Cool hair, very bad movie. Cool hair, very bad movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yea. Yea. What else is good that he's done. What else is good that he's done. Wha, are you serious? Wha, are you serious? Do you even have to like, name. Do you even have to like, name. Toy Story. Toy Story. No, that doesn't come up in like the great films he's made. No, that doesn't come up in like the great films he's made. I guess, [LAUGH] I mean it just voi, I mean voice acting is go, a thing. I guess, [LAUGH] I mean it just voi, I mean voice acting is go, a thing. Okay. Okay. What about Philadelphia, what about Forrest Gump? What about Philadelphia, what about Forrest Gump? You've got mail. You've got mail. [LAUGH] Forrest Gump yes! [LAUGH] Forrest Gump yes! Of course, Saving Private Ryan duh. Of course, Saving Private Ryan duh. Yea, but. Yea, but. I mean. I mean. Sleepless in Seattle's good, I mean, you've got Mail's great but Sleepless in Seattle's, its nonstop right there. Sleepless in Seattle's good, I mean, you've got Mail's great but Sleepless in Seattle's, its nonstop right there. Say what you need to say because I don't like being trolled on Friday. Say what you need to say because I don't like being trolled on Friday. Big? Big? Big oh legendary. Big oh legendary. Legendary film. Legendary film. Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks. [CROSSTALK] Bachelor Party. [CROSSTALK] Bachelor Party. Joins the ranks of the Zach Braffs of the world. Joins the ranks of the Zach Braffs of the world. In sort of having some having some questionable activity online. In sort of having some having some questionable activity online. So, there's this new service called Junction. So, there's this new service called Junction. And it's basically Kickstasrter for rich actors. And it's basically Kickstasrter for rich actors. And the idea is that you know it's basically just an investment company that's open to the public. And the idea is that you know it's basically just an investment company that's open to the public. And when you contribute you basically help to finance popular films from actors like Tom Hanks, who, in fact, is on here in a campaign. And when you contribute you basically help to finance popular films from actors like Tom Hanks, who, in fact, is on here in a campaign. Okay. Okay. So the catch though, is that they only support rich people. So the catch though, is that they only support rich people. So, it's kinda like you know, this network of, of really, really affluent people. So, it's kinda like you know, this network of, of really, really affluent people. It's the catch is that you can't even donate a little. It's the catch is that you can't even donate a little. You know on Kickstarter, there's the option to like donate $5 if you want? You know on Kickstarter, there's the option to like donate $5 if you want? Sure. Sure. well, in order to even sign up for Junction, you have to have an annual income of $200,000 or a net worth of at least a million dollars. well, in order to even sign up for Junction, you have to have an annual income of $200,000 or a net worth of at least a million dollars. Okay. Okay. Before you can even sign up, you have to, you have to at least. Before you can even sign up, you have to, you have to at least. Qualify for one of those. Qualify for one of those. Okay. Okay. So far, I don't, I'm not against this. So far, I don't, I'm not against this. Okay. Okay. And the money raised is used sort of as an additional cushion for money, movies that are already funded. And the money raised is used sort of as an additional cushion for money, movies that are already funded. So, whether or not you decide to fund a campaign, the movie's gonna get made, right. So, whether or not you decide to fund a campaign, the movie's gonna get made, right. It already has backers, so this isn't like an independent movie. It already has backers, so this isn't like an independent movie. Funding program. Funding program. These are moves that have already gotten backers, producers, and actors assigned. These are moves that have already gotten backers, producers, and actors assigned. Into the roles. Into the roles. But you're contributing money to basically just. But you're contributing money to basically just. Act as an additional cushion. Act as an additional cushion. Or a replacement for existing donations from other funders. Or a replacement for existing donations from other funders. So am I getting anything out of this. So am I getting anything out of this. Am I getting a return. Am I getting a return. You're getting. You're getting. [CROSSTALK] Clearly I'm not just donating. [CROSSTALK] Clearly I'm not just donating. A million dollars to a movie. A million dollars to a movie. Right. Right. I think the idea is that if you're so rich that you can donate a million dollars, you don't really care what the rewards are. I think the idea is that if you're so rich that you can donate a million dollars, you don't really care what the rewards are. No. No. I do. I do. It's just that. It's just that. People with millions of dollars want to make more millions of dollars. People with millions of dollars want to make more millions of dollars. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] It should be the option that if you donated a million dollars, you get producer credit. [LAUGH] It should be the option that if you donated a million dollars, you get producer credit. Or, you get a walk on rule. Or, you get a walk on rule. If you donate a million dollars to a film. If you donate a million dollars to a film. That's significant. That's significant. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you should really get either like, a percentage point of the box office gross, [CROSSTALK] or do something. I mean you should really get either like, a percentage point of the box office gross, [CROSSTALK] or do something. Right, yeah. Right, yeah. Come on. Come on. What, what the hell is this for then? What, what the hell is this for then? Well, [LAUGH] because I can't sign up since I don't, you know, I don't make $200,000 a year and I don't have a net worth of $4 million. Well, [LAUGH] because I can't sign up since I don't, you know, I don't make $200,000 a year and I don't have a net worth of $4 million. Yet. Yet. Yet. Yet. Yet. Yet. I can't see what the incentives are for you to donate. I can't see what the incentives are for you to donate. But if you do, [LAUGH] let us know cuz, there's, there's actually a Tom Hanks film that's on there right now. But if you do, [LAUGH] let us know cuz, there's, there's actually a Tom Hanks film that's on there right now. It's one of the biggest, the most funded campaigns. It's one of the biggest, the most funded campaigns. It's for a movie called A Hologram For the King, which is an adaptation. It's for a movie called A Hologram For the King, which is an adaptation. A novel by Dave Eggers. A novel by Dave Eggers. He's the guy that did, heartbreaking. He's the guy that did, heartbreaking. Oh, I'm sorry [CROSSTALK] A Staggering Work of Heartbreaking Genius. Oh, I'm sorry [CROSSTALK] A Staggering Work of Heartbreaking Genius. That, that's an intense book. That, that's an intense book. Whoo. Whoo. Have you read that? Have you read that? [CROSSTALK] I have. [CROSSTALK] I have. You don't read. You don't read. I do read, good. I do read, good. [LAUGH] I read real good. [LAUGH] I read real good. Alright, summarize that mov, the book for me. Alright, summarize that mov, the book for me. It's like his mom died. It's like his mom died. You didn't read that book. You didn't read that book. The film's gonna star Tom Hanks. The film's gonna star Tom Hanks. [LAUGH] And it's directed by. [LAUGH] And it's directed by. You didn't read it? You didn't read it? I didn't read it, no. I didn't read it, no. [CROSSTALK] I could barely even read the title. [CROSSTALK] I could barely even read the title. No, I did read that book. No, I did read that book. Really? Really? Yeah, Dave Eggers, man. Yeah, Dave Eggers, man. Okay, Dave Eggers. Okay, Dave Eggers. yeah. yeah. [LAUGH] It's directed by this German director named Tom Tykwer. [LAUGH] It's directed by this German director named Tom Tykwer. Okay. Okay. Anyway, so that's basically on its way to getting funded. Anyway, so that's basically on its way to getting funded. Thanks to. Thanks to. This company Junction. This company Junction. So, if you have a lot of money, here's something you can do with it that we can't. So, if you have a lot of money, here's something you can do with it that we can't. That, there, we haven't done enough research on this. That, there, we haven't done enough research on this. Something, there is something, some incentive to donate. Something, there is something, some incentive to donate. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Copious amounts of money, towards a movie that's already gonna be made whether or not you donate. Copious amounts of money, towards a movie that's already gonna be made whether or not you donate. Yeah, that was the part that confused me, cuz I figured oh this was for movies that would get trashed, or whatever if you didn't contribute. Yeah, that was the part that confused me, cuz I figured oh this was for movies that would get trashed, or whatever if you didn't contribute. But, yeah, it says right here, they're already funded. But, yeah, it says right here, they're already funded. [LAUGH] It doesn't matter if you do anything or not. [LAUGH] It doesn't matter if you do anything or not. It's a non-story. It's a non-story. Okay. Okay. Slow news day. Slow news day. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All right. All right. Last story of the day. Last story of the day. And what do we got? And what do we got? Mix tapes. Mix tapes. What do you think? What do you think? [CROSSTALK] Yeah, buddy. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, buddy. [LAUGH] That's the story. [LAUGH] That's the story. Mix tapes, what do you think, huh? Mix tapes, what do you think, huh? [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Sports night. Sports night. I don't know, what do we think about mix tapes? I don't know, what do we think about mix tapes? Mix tapes are still alive. Mix tapes are still alive. I, I made a mix tape for my girlfriend the other day, except it's, shouldn't be called a mix tape anymore. I, I made a mix tape for my girlfriend the other day, except it's, shouldn't be called a mix tape anymore. Cause I just gave her a CD. Cause I just gave her a CD. Really, you gave her a CD. Really, you gave her a CD. Yea, I gave her a CD, and then she burned and then uploaded the songs to her iPod. Yea, I gave her a CD, and then she burned and then uploaded the songs to her iPod. Why didn't you just give her a thumb drive. Why didn't you just give her a thumb drive. I dunno, that, I dunno I guess I could do that, but it, [LAUGH] the CD felt a lot cooler than giving someone a thumb drive. I dunno, that, I dunno I guess I could do that, but it, [LAUGH] the CD felt a lot cooler than giving someone a thumb drive. Alright. Alright. It's your life. It's your life. When was the last time you made a mix tape? When was the last time you made a mix tape? A tape? A tape? I'm gonna say, cassette. I'm gonna say, cassette. [SOUND] 1996? [SOUND] 1996? 7? 7? For Stacey? For Stacey? No. No. Didn't know her then. Didn't know her then. For some other girl? For some other girl? Really dude? Really dude? What? What? That's a long time ago. That's a long time ago. 1996. 1996. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were like. You were like. 12 years old. 12 years old. I was like 14. I was like 14. [SOUND]. [SOUND]. Yeah, I guess that's that's, that's probably the last time that I like really made the effort, you know, printed out the track listing. Yeah, I guess that's that's, that's probably the last time that I like really made the effort, you know, printed out the track listing. Oh, you put it on the cover. Oh, you put it on the cover. [CROSSTALK] Slid it in the little cassette cover. [CROSSTALK] Slid it in the little cassette cover. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Did you make art for it? Did you make art for it? Sometimes. Sometimes. Sometimes I would find the lyrics online and print those out as well. Sometimes I would find the lyrics online and print those out as well. Did you name the tapes? Did you name the tapes? Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. [CROSSTALK] A lyric to one of the songs that was on it. [CROSSTALK] A lyric to one of the songs that was on it. It was just like, utter confusion. It was just like, utter confusion. You know? You know? A heartbreaking work of staggering genius. A heartbreaking work of staggering genius. It would just be like, black soul death. It would just be like, black soul death. Geez. Geez. [LAUGH] What kinda mixes were you making for people? [LAUGH] What kinda mixes were you making for people? Whatever it is. Whatever it is. What about you, Ari, when was the last time you made a mix? What about you, Ari, when was the last time you made a mix? When, when I started talking to Christina, I made her one. When, when I started talking to Christina, I made her one. Nice. Nice. But, the, so that's probably like, four years ago? But, the, so that's probably like, four years ago? Did you make her, you made her a CD? Did you make her, you made her a CD? Yeah, I made a CD, yeah. Yeah, I made a CD, yeah. I definitely did the CD thing too. I definitely did the CD thing too. Sure. Sure. But I did it for myself. But I did it for myself. I don't think I ever made it for someone else. I don't think I ever made it for someone else. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Do you think Christine still kept that CD? Do you think Christine still kept that CD? She still has, probably not. She still has, probably not. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] No? No? I mean she probably like, just downloaded all the songs and then threw away the CD. I mean she probably like, just downloaded all the songs and then threw away the CD. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's probably would've done. You know, that's probably would've done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I miss those days. I miss those days. Do you? Do you? Fond memories. Fond memories. I, I mean, you still make mixes, maybe not a mix tape, quote unquote. I, I mean, you still make mixes, maybe not a mix tape, quote unquote. [CROSSTALK] You just click buttons to make [CROSSTALK] You just click buttons to make But if you've ever made a playlist. But if you've ever made a playlist. Yeah. Yeah. Then it's basically the same thing as a mix tape. Then it's basically the same thing as a mix tape. Right, it's your own mix. Right, it's your own mix. Yeah, but the problem with mixes now is that they're not tangible. Yeah, but the problem with mixes now is that they're not tangible. I think that was the cool part about it before. I think that was the cool part about it before. Right. Right. You actually had the artwork and personality. You actually had the artwork and personality. Yeah, [CROSSTALK] right, you'd be like aw, man, Jeff made that sick mix. Yeah, [CROSSTALK] right, you'd be like aw, man, Jeff made that sick mix. You got that? You got that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now that's what Jeff calls music, volume five. Now that's what Jeff calls music, volume five. [CROSSTALK] There you go. [CROSSTALK] There you go. so, the, and the problem with that is that there's no music discovery anymore either. so, the, and the problem with that is that there's no music discovery anymore either. It's all algorithms and stuff that recommend music to you. It's all algorithms and stuff that recommend music to you. Sure. Sure. But there's a new social experiment going on online and I think it's really cool. But there's a new social experiment going on online and I think it's really cool. It's called 12. It's called 12. Okay. Okay. Although, it's written X dash. Although, it's written X dash. Two, or X dash I,I. Two, or X dash I,I. Roman numeral two. Roman numeral two. Right But it's pronounced 12. Right But it's pronounced 12. And play this video while we talk about it. And play this video while we talk about it. It all starts with what we're seeing here. It all starts with what we're seeing here. Which is called the 12 tapes. Which is called the 12 tapes. And they kind of look like a regular cassette tape. And they kind of look like a regular cassette tape. But square. But square. Like, small and square instead of a rectangle. Like, small and square instead of a rectangle. And each of these 12 tapes has a low energy bluetooth. And each of these 12 tapes has a low energy bluetooth. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Sensor inside of it, right? Sensor inside of it, right? And so, when you get one of these, you basically just hold it up to your phone. And so, when you get one of these, you basically just hold it up to your phone. And by proximity, thanks to the bluetooth, it automatically pairs, and then starts up the app, which you previously downloaded, right? And by proximity, thanks to the bluetooth, it automatically pairs, and then starts up the app, which you previously downloaded, right? And then it shows a screen which basically has tiles of all the songs that are embedded. And then it shows a screen which basically has tiles of all the songs that are embedded. That's kinda cool. That's kinda cool. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Onto Onto that tape. that tape. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's cute. It's cute. Really cool, right? Really cool, right? I love the little cassette. I love the little cassette. [CROSSTALK] Set square. [CROSSTALK] Set square. Yeah, it looks like one too. Yeah, it looks like one too. Has a little hole in the middle. Has a little hole in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] Scrolling necessary. [CROSSTALK] Scrolling necessary. Right. Right. It can hold 12 tracks. It can hold 12 tracks. You know, just like a regular mix. You know, just like a regular mix. That's exactly what I used to put on a CD. That's exactly what I used to put on a CD. Yeah, I would milk it till as much as I could. Yeah, I would milk it till as much as I could. Stuff that CD. Stuff that CD. Really? Really? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You'd go like 18 tracks. You'd go like 18 tracks. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] I would do like 33. I would do like 33. No pauses in between. No pauses in between. Yeah. Yeah. You get that extra 10 seconds. You get that extra 10 seconds. [LAUGH] I would eliminate the yeah, would eliminate the the gap. [LAUGH] I would eliminate the yeah, would eliminate the the gap. The buffer, yeah. The buffer, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Really? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. What, what is this? What, what is this? No, because you could have music overload. No, because you could have music overload. You want, you know, a succinct mix. You want, you know, a succinct mix. Oh you wanted the, [CROSSTALK] the, the collaboration. Oh you wanted the, [CROSSTALK] the, the collaboration. You wanted that whole thing to like. You wanted that whole thing to like. Speak is like a word? Speak is like a word? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. This says what I can't say to you. This says what I can't say to you. Right, exactly, [LAUGH] yeah, there's 18 minutes of blank at the end, so what? Right, exactly, [LAUGH] yeah, there's 18 minutes of blank at the end, so what? So what? So what? [LAUGH] Twelve tracks so short you gotta really pick your songs wisely. [LAUGH] Twelve tracks so short you gotta really pick your songs wisely. Each track actually holds a song, an image that you choose, so you can like take a photo of yourself and attach. Each track actually holds a song, an image that you choose, so you can like take a photo of yourself and attach. To the song. To the song. Yeah. Yeah. Which is kind of funny. Which is kind of funny. [LAUGH] Kind of corny, I know. [LAUGH] Kind of corny, I know. No, no, I'm just laughing because I remember making a cassette now for a girl. No, no, I'm just laughing because I remember making a cassette now for a girl. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And I did like Tom and Terry. And I did like Tom and Terry. Aah! Aah! [CROSSTALK] Dude, corniest recording ever. [CROSSTALK] Dude, corniest recording ever. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] No you want to know why. No you want to know why. It was just like. It was just like. Was it a different track prior to each song? Was it a different track prior to each song? No, like, oh ****. No, like, oh ****. What I would do is, so the [LAUGH]. What I would do is, so the [LAUGH]. I'm opening up to you right now. I'm opening up to you right now. Appreciate that. Appreciate that. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] You had like a desk mic. You had like a desk mic. No, no, no, no, way worse. No, no, no, no, way worse. So, [SOUND] So, [SOUND] A headset. A headset. A gaming headset. A gaming headset. [CROSSTALK] I guess I gotta like, I can't just stop now. [CROSSTALK] I guess I gotta like, I can't just stop now. Yeah, come on man. Yeah, come on man. So, check it out, which actually. So, check it out, which actually. Explains where we are today, I think. Explains where we are today, I think. Anyway, meaning like talking on. Anyway, meaning like talking on. Just tell the story. Just tell the story. [LAUGH] I'm trying to, dig my way out of it. [LAUGH] I'm trying to, dig my way out of it. So so no, no no no, what I would do is so the boombox I had, had like a little mic dot on the boombox. So so no, no no no, what I would do is so the boombox I had, had like a little mic dot on the boombox. Right? Right? Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Don't laugh, you prick, this is like, pure and genuine. Don't laugh, you prick, this is like, pure and genuine. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Okay, microphone on the boombox. Okay, microphone on the boombox. Son of a ****. Son of a ****. Right, so it had like a little microphne. Right, so it had like a little microphne. [COUGH] And when you were dubbing, you could stop the source cassette and just hit records. [COUGH] And when you were dubbing, you could stop the source cassette and just hit records. And the mike would activate. And the mike would activate. So, I would just be like. So, I would just be like. Yeah, that was rancid or something. Yeah, that was rancid or something. At the end of the song. At the end of the song. Yeah. Yeah. You don't interrupt the song. You don't interrupt the song. [CROSSTALK] I'm not a freakin' lunatic. [CROSSTALK] I'm not a freakin' lunatic. Yeah, I'll be like that's. Yeah, I'll be like that's. Like a DJ. Like a DJ. Yeah, like a radio DJ. Yeah, like a radio DJ. [CROSSTALK] That song's by Rancid from their album can you believe that? [CROSSTALK] That song's by Rancid from their album can you believe that? And then my voice was way [LAUGH] higher back then. And then my voice was way [LAUGH] higher back then. This is for you Mary. This is for you Mary. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Every track huh? Every track huh? Not every track but I'd be like, check out this one. Not every track but I'd be like, check out this one. That's cool! That's cool! And I'd be like another song or green day [LAUGH] or something. And I'd be like another song or green day [LAUGH] or something. No, all jokes aside. No, all jokes aside. That's freakin cool, man. That's freakin cool, man. Shut up. Shut up. No, no that's definitely not cool. No, no that's definitely not cool. Yeah, it is cool. Yeah, it is cool. [CROSSTALK] Definitely some high level corniness but. [CROSSTALK] Definitely some high level corniness but. It is cool. It is cool. It adds an extra personal element to it, which I respect so. It adds an extra personal element to it, which I respect so. [CROSSTALK] I think so. [CROSSTALK] I think so. You're damn freaking straight. You're damn freaking straight. Trey come on now. Trey come on now. That's so funny. That's so funny. Can you imagine as a parent if you walked in on your kid, recording something like that for his sixth grade girlfriend. Can you imagine as a parent if you walked in on your kid, recording something like that for his sixth grade girlfriend. It happens. It happens. Really? Really? [LAUGH] [LAUGH] That's like the only reason I wanna have kids too. That's like the only reason I wanna have kids too. Walk in on embarrassing situations like that. Walk in on embarrassing situations like that. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Their awkwardness? Their awkwardness? And then just have like 50 years of making fun of them. And then just have like 50 years of making fun of them. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And that happened to you? And that happened to you? Well. Well. [LAUGH] Like, just one track with your dad just going aah! [LAUGH] Like, just one track with your dad just going aah! [LAUGH] [LAUGH] No no no, my dad wasn't a **** like that. No no no, my dad wasn't a **** like that. I think, This wasn't maybe a mixtape, but I would do, like, radio broadcast. I think, This wasn't maybe a mixtape, but I would do, like, radio broadcast. What? What? Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I'm starting to remember a lot of stuff now. I'm starting to remember a lot of stuff now. It's all coming back to me, man,like. It's all coming back to me, man,like. My college, like, drug phase is, like, lifting. My college, like, drug phase is, like, lifting. And everything's coming back to me now. And everything's coming back to me now. And I understand my memories. And I understand my memories. And I. And I have this, like, new sense of vividness. And I. And I have this, like, new sense of vividness. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And lucidity. And lucidity. What's. What's. Tell that story. Tell that story. [CROSSTALK] No. [CROSSTALK] No. So, what I would do is I would basically make my own radio programs, which I had no intention of ever listening back to. So, what I would do is I would basically make my own radio programs, which I had no intention of ever listening back to. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. I just would record, like, 90 minutes. I just would record, like, 90 minutes. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. And I would just like be a DJ, and I'd be like, yo, what's up, this is Jeff. And I would just like be a DJ, and I'd be like, yo, what's up, this is Jeff. I'm a crazy, you know. I'm a crazy, you know. [CROSSTALK] I don't have the sense that you were broadcasting to anybody. [CROSSTALK] I don't have the sense that you were broadcasting to anybody. No. No. Like, I would just record it. Like, I would just record it. And then what would you do with it? And then what would you do with it? Would you give it to people? Would you give it to people? I guess maybe I would like, listen to it or maybe give it to someone, or like give it to a friend or something. I guess maybe I would like, listen to it or maybe give it to someone, or like give it to a friend or something. But I was basically recording like a 90-minute. But I was basically recording like a 90-minute. Block of music with me, VJing. Block of music with me, VJing. VJ, DJing. VJ, DJing. Right. Right. That's cool. That's cool. [CROSSTALK] It is cool. [CROSSTALK] It is cool. And I guess it explains why my career [CROSSTALK]. And I guess it explains why my career [CROSSTALK]. Basically like a, a DJ mix. Basically like a, a DJ mix. They do that with but you just didn't have the drops. They do that with but you just didn't have the drops. Like you would just record those live. Like you would just record those live. Instead of having like a DJ Jeff. Instead of having like a DJ Jeff. Like you would just be like [CROSSTALK]. Like you would just be like [CROSSTALK]. I would do like sound effects with my voice. I would do like sound effects with my voice. Like that. Like that. I'd be like [SOUND] You know, crap like that. I'd be like [SOUND] You know, crap like that. [LAUGH] I was like. [LAUGH] I was like. Six. Six. Maybe like ten or eleven. Maybe like ten or eleven. So, that's really cool and that's what I did. So, that's really cool and that's what I did. And I guarentee you people listening to this are going to be like that's pretty cool, that's old school. And I guarentee you people listening to this are going to be like that's pretty cool, that's old school. Come on, Mario. Come on, Mario. Yeah I think it's cool. Yeah I think it's cool. Thank you. Thank you. [CROSSTALK] Like yeah really cool. [CROSSTALK] Like yeah really cool. Mario. Mario. [LAUGH] That's a really cool thing you did when you were younger. [LAUGH] That's a really cool thing you did when you were younger. That was super sincere. That was super sincere. You what I. You what I. I'll tell you an embarrassing story that'll hopefully make you feel better. I'll tell you an embarrassing story that'll hopefully make you feel better. Sure,, sure, sure. Sure,, sure, sure. So I dedicated a song to my girlfriend for our one year anniversary when I was in like seventh grade [LAUGH] and I don't even know if kids know you can do this. So I dedicated a song to my girlfriend for our one year anniversary when I was in like seventh grade [LAUGH] and I don't even know if kids know you can do this. But there was a radio station that was called 103,5 in Southern California. But there was a radio station that was called 103,5 in Southern California. Kost, right? Kost, right? K o s t. K o s t. The Kost? The Kost? The Kost. The Kost. And then, every evening, Terrence Sharp, the radio DJ, she would have love songs on the Kost. And then, every evening, Terrence Sharp, the radio DJ, she would have love songs on the Kost. And, she would invite people to call in, and dedicate songs to their loved ones. And, she would invite people to call in, and dedicate songs to their loved ones. You know, of course there would also be like a lot of angry people, that were dedicating mean songs, [CROSSTALK] but I called up and actually got on the air. You know, of course there would also be like a lot of angry people, that were dedicating mean songs, [CROSSTALK] but I called up and actually got on the air. I've no idea how I lucked out on doing this. I've no idea how I lucked out on doing this. But [LAUGH] I called up, and probably my squeaky voice too, I requested somewhere over the rainbow for. But [LAUGH] I called up, and probably my squeaky voice too, I requested somewhere over the rainbow for. Oh my god. Oh my god. My girlfriend [LAUGH] in the seventh grade. My girlfriend [LAUGH] in the seventh grade. So. So. They play it? They play it? You're welcome, Joann. You're welcome, Joann. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. [LAUGH] They have it? [LAUGH] They have it? They, they played it and I recorded it, like in the other room while I was live on the phone. They, they played it and I recorded it, like in the other room while I was live on the phone. So, when I heard them pick up I had to run to my mom's room and hit record on the tape player. So, when I heard them pick up I had to run to my mom's room and hit record on the tape player. Right. Right. Right right right. Right right right. [CROSSTALK] Yeah yeah yeah. [CROSSTALK] Yeah yeah yeah. And then I ran back to actually do the live recording. And then I ran back to actually do the live recording. God dude, you sound so old. God dude, you sound so old. And I gave that tape. And I gave that tape. [CROSSTALK] To my girlfriend. [CROSSTALK] To my girlfriend. Yeah. Yeah. As part of a mix. As part of a mix. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] To say like, this is what, this is how I feel about you, girl. To say like, this is what, this is how I feel about you, girl. This is how I feel about you. This is how I feel about you. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] This is what I'd for for you, girl. This is what I'd for for you, girl. This is how much I love you. This is how much I love you. [CROSSTALK] You know all those times you were alone at night? [CROSSTALK] You know all those times you were alone at night? Yeah. Yeah. Just know I'm thinking about you, girl. Just know I'm thinking about you, girl. Mm. Mm. It's like an interlude in a Boyz II Men record. It's like an interlude in a Boyz II Men record. [LAUGH] Let Peabo Bryson tell you what I cannot. [LAUGH] Let Peabo Bryson tell you what I cannot. That's so awesome. That's so awesome. [LAUGH] Oh man. [LAUGH] Oh man. Great stuff, great stuff. Great stuff, great stuff. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] What abour you Ariel? What abour you Ariel? You have anything to contribute to this horroible conversation. You have anything to contribute to this horroible conversation. Yeah [CROSSTALK] why were all just laying it out there. Yeah [CROSSTALK] why were all just laying it out there. I don't think I've ever done anything I. I was horrible at like you know, showing how much I cared about my girlfriend. I don't think I've ever done anything I. I was horrible at like you know, showing how much I cared about my girlfriend. Like every time I had a crush on a girl in high school. Like every time I had a crush on a girl in high school. You'd beat her up. You'd beat her up. No, no. No, no. [LAUGH] I would put a cassestte single in their locker, but I wouldn't put my name or anything. [LAUGH] I would put a cassestte single in their locker, but I wouldn't put my name or anything. Oh that's cool. Oh that's cool. Oh. Oh. [CROSSTALK] Like a secret admirer or something? [CROSSTALK] Like a secret admirer or something? Yeah, it would be like everything I do you're on my mind. Yeah, it would be like everything I do you're on my mind. Song, you know what I mean? Song, you know what I mean? So for real. So for real. [LAUGH] And then I would just put it, yeah, that was so for real yeah. [LAUGH] And then I would just put it, yeah, that was so for real yeah. So good. So good. And I just put it in their locker and [LAUGH] then just leave. And I just put it in their locker and [LAUGH] then just leave. You know, and they would never know who gave it to them. You know, and they would never know who gave it to them. I was really shocked. I was really shocked. [LAUGH] Chicks will be like man, I really wish. [LAUGH] Chicks will be like man, I really wish. Someone signed this. Someone signed this. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] This is really romantic. [LAUGH] This is really romantic. I wanna follow up with this person. I wanna follow up with this person. And then you just like never talked about it again. And then you just like never talked about it again. [CROSSTALK] Never talk about it. [CROSSTALK] Never talk about it. Just act like nothing happened. Just act like nothing happened. You're like the mystery tape deliverer. You're like the mystery tape deliverer. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] Wow. [LAUGH] Wow. We love it. We love it. We're like this. We're like this. Serial romantic. Serial romantic. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] Undercover. [LAUGH] Undercover. That's sick. That's sick. Yeah. Yeah. Before we say good-bye for the weekend, I wanna, I wanna try and get to maybe like, one or two emails cuz a lot of people have been writing in and we haven't necessarily you know, acknowledged any of this stuff. Before we say good-bye for the weekend, I wanna, I wanna try and get to maybe like, one or two emails cuz a lot of people have been writing in and we haven't necessarily you know, acknowledged any of this stuff. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. There's here's one from a guy who calls himself Miedi. There's here's one from a guy who calls himself Miedi. And, he calls, the subject of the email stupid techno illiterate kids. And, he calls, the subject of the email stupid techno illiterate kids. Have you seen this email? Have you seen this email? Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I saw that. It came in to us, about, it came in to us yesterday. It came in to us, about, it came in to us yesterday. Um-hm. Um-hm. He says, hey, I was just catching up with the episodes. He says, hey, I was just catching up with the episodes. Last week I caught the show where you were saying, that our generation is in a unique situation technologically. Last week I caught the show where you were saying, that our generation is in a unique situation technologically. Because we have looked through the transitional period that allows to understand tech better. Because we have looked through the transitional period that allows to understand tech better. Your question whether kids today actually understand tech. Your question whether kids today actually understand tech. They are using or they are just sitting with their hands open, waiting to be delivered ready-made solutions? They are using or they are just sitting with their hands open, waiting to be delivered ready-made solutions? So, we said, yeah, by and large, they are tech dummies but consider this, how many people drive cars but don't know the first thing about working on one? So, we said, yeah, by and large, they are tech dummies but consider this, how many people drive cars but don't know the first thing about working on one? Even worse, how many people have human bodies? Even worse, how many people have human bodies? [LAUGH] And not know the first thing about how they actually work. [LAUGH] And not know the first thing about how they actually work. Where their organs are, which one of them actually does. Where their organs are, which one of them actually does. She says you guys are tech nerds, you know how to use the tech you grew up with because it was your interest and hobby. She says you guys are tech nerds, you know how to use the tech you grew up with because it was your interest and hobby. You questioning the tech literacy of the average person, is like a bunch of mechanics standing around questioning the auto literacy of the average person. You questioning the tech literacy of the average person, is like a bunch of mechanics standing around questioning the auto literacy of the average person. It's not your place in time, rather your personal interest which made you more tech savvy than most. It's not your place in time, rather your personal interest which made you more tech savvy than most. People know about what they choose to know about. People know about what they choose to know about. Alright, so I understand the point that he's making. Alright, so I understand the point that he's making. But I also kind of don't fully agree. But I also kind of don't fully agree. Just because, I still think. Just because, I still think. You'll still find that in our generation. You'll still find that in our generation. We are just filled with more people who get it. We are just filled with more people who get it. And is it because more people in our generation chose. And is it because more people in our generation chose. To align themselves with this technological revolution? To align themselves with this technological revolution? Perhaps, but we also had no choice. Perhaps, but we also had no choice. Where it's like if you're an auto enthusiast, you go out and seek that, you go out and do that. Where it's like if you're an auto enthusiast, you go out and seek that, you go out and do that. Where for us, it was kind of like par for the course. Where for us, it was kind of like par for the course. It was like a rite of passage. It was like a rite of passage. [COUGH] Yeah. [COUGH] Yeah. You know, it was like we, it was like being bar mitzvahed. You know, it was like we, it was like being bar mitzvahed. You, you like had this, you know, relationship with tech that you kind of, I don't wanna say were forced into but it was a way more accessible and social, you know, dynamic than it was. You, you like had this, you know, relationship with tech that you kind of, I don't wanna say were forced into but it was a way more accessible and social, you know, dynamic than it was. A niche like automotives or something like that? A niche like automotives or something like that? Do, do you what are your thoughts on that? Do, do you what are your thoughts on that? well, I was gonna say that I remember the first time where I felt like the internet wasn't a luxury anymore, and it was a necessity and that was when we began using the internet in school. well, I was gonna say that I remember the first time where I felt like the internet wasn't a luxury anymore, and it was a necessity and that was when we began using the internet in school. And, we use this app, called Blackboard. And, we use this app, called Blackboard. Sure. Sure. You know what that is? You know what that is? Yep. Yep. And, it basically lets teachers post essays, and homework, and notes from the lectures in class, online. And, it basically lets teachers post essays, and homework, and notes from the lectures in class, online. And, you would go to this hub, after your classroom, on Blackboard, and read it all. And, you would go to this hub, after your classroom, on Blackboard, and read it all. And, I remember, if you didn't do that. And, I remember, if you didn't do that. Then you had to stay after class and talk to the teacher, and since nobody wanted to do that, everyone then went home and, like, begged their parents to get the internet. Then you had to stay after class and talk to the teacher, and since nobody wanted to do that, everyone then went home and, like, begged their parents to get the internet. Right. Right. Because that meant that you could basically take tests online. Because that meant that you could basically take tests online. Right. Right. Which we all know were a front for cheating. Which we all know were a front for cheating. Right. Right. So, you know, [LAUGH] like, either you actually had to study really hard and take the test after class, or you could, you know, get the internet and do it at home. So, you know, [LAUGH] like, either you actually had to study really hard and take the test after class, or you could, you know, get the internet and do it at home. And that was the moment when I remember thinking, like, man. And that was the moment when I remember thinking, like, man. This is not just a hobby. This is not just a hobby. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, yeah, like this is gonna be a universal thing. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, yeah, like this is gonna be a universal thing. It's not just a tool to go online and get free music. It's not just a tool to go online and get free music. The pervasiveness of tech has definitely transcended the hobbyist sort of angle of tech. The pervasiveness of tech has definitely transcended the hobbyist sort of angle of tech. For sure. For sure. so, you make a good point, Mr. so, you make a good point, Mr. Mighty, but I still think. Mighty, but I still think. You know, this is something that. You know, this is something that. I mean and the evidence is there. I mean and the evidence is there. Like there are less IT people around. Like there are less IT people around. Are there? Are there? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. So, I think you know, and look, like I said we were casting a wide net with saying the generation coming up right now doesn't know a thing about tech. So, I think you know, and look, like I said we were casting a wide net with saying the generation coming up right now doesn't know a thing about tech. You said that. You said that. [CROSSTALK] We didn't say that. [CROSSTALK] We didn't say that. Oh no, I said it because it's true. Oh no, I said it because it's true. In my experience it's true. In my experience it's true. But you know. But you know. I'm sure there's still people out there like us who embrace it at an early age [CROSSTALK] and make it their, their, you know, sort of hobby. I'm sure there's still people out there like us who embrace it at an early age [CROSSTALK] and make it their, their, you know, sort of hobby. Jeremy writes in. Jeremy writes in. He has the subject programmer syndrome. He has the subject programmer syndrome. He wrote in yesterday. He wrote in yesterday. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Remember we talked about programmer, sort of like, not diseases, but like ailments. Remember we talked about programmer, sort of like, not diseases, but like ailments. Yeah, it's where they get overworked and they feel competitive with everybody else. Yeah, it's where they get overworked and they feel competitive with everybody else. Sure. Sure. Jeremy writes in and says I just listened to the March 17th show. Jeremy writes in and says I just listened to the March 17th show. Heard the story about mental disorders in programmers. Heard the story about mental disorders in programmers. I have firsthand experience with this. I have firsthand experience with this. I used to work as a programmer at a giant international bank. I used to work as a programmer at a giant international bank. The workload was huge and deadlines unreasonable. The workload was huge and deadlines unreasonable. There was a push for globalization, which really just meant that they're shipping programming jobs to India. There was a push for globalization, which really just meant that they're shipping programming jobs to India. Because they got paid less. Because they got paid less. That's messed up to call it globalization, just a euphemism for outsourcing. That's messed up to call it globalization, just a euphemism for outsourcing. It got to the point where I was the only U.S.-based programmer on my team, and I definitely suffered from that imposter issue. It got to the point where I was the only U.S.-based programmer on my team, and I definitely suffered from that imposter issue. Right, right. Right, right. When I often felt I was just winging it and didn't really know what I was doing and soon would be. When I often felt I was just winging it and didn't really know what I was doing and soon would be. Skulls and possibly fire. Skulls and possibly fire. It was especially bad for me because I always felt I had to justify my bigger American salary. It was especially bad for me because I always felt I had to justify my bigger American salary. This is crazy. This is crazy. Oh because developers make a ton of money. Oh because developers make a ton of money. Listen to this. Listen to this. I eventually ended up in a psychiatric ward on death watch. I eventually ended up in a psychiatric ward on death watch. What? What? Woah. Woah. I spent a week there trying to get my head on straight. I spent a week there trying to get my head on straight. And when I got out I quit my job and started driving a big rig cross country. And when I got out I quit my job and started driving a big rig cross country. Eww. Eww. That only lasted about six months, but it got me out of my own head and provided some perspective on life. That only lasted about six months, but it got me out of my own head and provided some perspective on life. I now have another programming job, at a much smaller more local company where demands are more reasonable and globalization is not an issue. I now have another programming job, at a much smaller more local company where demands are more reasonable and globalization is not an issue. I make a concerted effort not to take my work home with me, both literally and mentally and now I'm very happy and less stressed. I make a concerted effort not to take my work home with me, both literally and mentally and now I'm very happy and less stressed. By the way huge fan been listening for years. By the way huge fan been listening for years. You guys help me get through some long hours, while I was driving a truck. You guys help me get through some long hours, while I was driving a truck. Keep up the great work and that's. Keep up the great work and that's. Obviously quote unquote Jeremy. Obviously quote unquote Jeremy. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Wow, dude that is amazing. Wow, dude that is amazing. Yeah, I'm glad he's doing okay now. Yeah, I'm glad he's doing okay now. I'm glad you're doing all right, dude. I'm glad you're doing all right, dude. Yeah. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] That's a horrible. [CROSSTALK] That's a horrible. Everybody should listen, and listen to his story and learn. Everybody should listen, and listen to his story and learn. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] For sure. For sure. It's the real deal. It's the real deal. Be careful. Be careful. It's the total real deal. It's the total real deal. Finally Israel Perez writes in and says. Finally Israel Perez writes in and says. I just wanna give you guys an update on the ATM issue, that has made my work phone and email go crazy with inquires of customers wondering what they plan on doing. I just wanna give you guys an update on the ATM issue, that has made my work phone and email go crazy with inquires of customers wondering what they plan on doing. Remember the whole thing with like, they would, they would ATMs are all running on XP. Remember the whole thing with like, they would, they would ATMs are all running on XP. Oh right. Oh right. Out of support. Out of support. To clarify Jeff's comment about banks owning their own software, that is true. To clarify Jeff's comment about banks owning their own software, that is true. And they most likely still run XP, as a platform. And they most likely still run XP, as a platform. We still have our own software as a team of programmers that work, with the ATN company in order for both the bank software and ATN to run cohesively. We still have our own software as a team of programmers that work, with the ATN company in order for both the bank software and ATN to run cohesively. And guess what that platform is. And guess what that platform is. Well, it's Windows XP. Well, it's Windows XP. Mm. Mm. So, I dunno what that means, but apparently it's a big issue. So, I dunno what that means, but apparently it's a big issue. And this guy works in the industry, he would know. And this guy works in the industry, he would know. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. There's a lot more emails, but we'll get to them maybe next week. There's a lot more emails, but we'll get to them maybe next week. Cool. Cool. All right? All right? Thanks for tuning in everyone, shoot us an email, the404@cnet.com You can reach out on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and of course, our favorite naughty little spot on the internet, our sub Reddit. Thanks for tuning in everyone, shoot us an email, the404@cnet.com You can reach out on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and of course, our favorite naughty little spot on the internet, our sub Reddit. That's reddit.com/r/the404. That's reddit.com/r/the404. We're back here on Monday. We're back here on Monday. Everyone have an awesome weekend. Everyone have an awesome weekend. Until then I'm Jeff Bakalar. Until then I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Justin Yu. I'm Justin Yu. I'm Ariel Nuñez. I'm Ariel Nuñez. This has been the 404 Show. This has been the 404 Show. High tech, low brow. High tech, low brow. Hope all these RSS feed issues are fixed. Hope all these RSS feed issues are fixed. We are not holding our breath. We are not holding our breath. Hm-mm. Hm-mm. We will see you guys, Monday. We will see you guys, Monday. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] That's cool. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's cute. It's cute. Really cool, right? Really cool, right? I love the little cassette. I love the little cassette. [CROSSTALK] Set square. [CROSSTALK] Set square. Yeah, it looks like one too. Yeah, it looks like one too. Has a little hole in the middle. Has a little hole in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] Scrolling necessary. [CROSSTALK] Scrolling necessary. Right. Right. It can hold 12 tracks. It can hold 12 tracks. You know, just like a regular mix. You know, just like a regular mix. That's exactly what I used to put on a CD. That's exactly what I used to put on a CD. Yeah, I would milk it till as much as I could. Yeah, I would milk it till as much as I could. Stuff that CD. Stuff that CD. Really? Really? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You'd go like 18 tracks. You'd go like 18 tracks. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] I would do like 33. I would do like 33. No pauses in between. No pauses in between. Yeah. Yeah. You get that extra 10 seconds. You get that extra 10 seconds. [LAUGH] I would eliminate the yeah, would eliminate the the gap. [LAUGH] I would eliminate the yeah, would eliminate the the gap. The buffer, yeah. The buffer, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Really? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. What, what is this? What, what is this? No, because you could have music overload. No, because you could have music overload. You want, you know, a succinct mix. You want, you know, a succinct mix. Oh you wanted the, [CROSSTALK] the, the collaboration. Oh you wanted the, [CROSSTALK] the, the collaboration. You wanted that whole thing to like. You wanted that whole thing to like. Speak is like a word? Speak is like a word? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. This says what I can't say to you. This says what I can't say to you. Right, exactly, [LAUGH] yeah, there's 18 minutes of blank at the end, so what? Right, exactly, [LAUGH] yeah, there's 18 minutes of blank at the end, so what? So what? So what? [LAUGH] Twelve tracks so short you gotta really pick your songs wisely. [LAUGH] Twelve tracks so short you gotta really pick your songs wisely. Each track actually holds a song, an image that you choose, so you can like take a photo of yourself and attach. Each track actually holds a song, an image that you choose, so you can like take a photo of yourself and attach. To the song. To the song. Yeah. Yeah. Which is kind of funny. Which is kind of funny. [LAUGH] Kind of corny, I know. [LAUGH] Kind of corny, I know. No, no, I'm just laughing because I remember making a cassette now for a girl. No, no, I'm just laughing because I remember making a cassette now for a girl. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And I did like Tom and Terry. And I did like Tom and Terry. Aah! Aah! [CROSSTALK] Dude, corniest recording ever. [CROSSTALK] Dude, corniest recording ever. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] No you want to know why. No you want to know why. It was just like. It was just like. Was it a different track prior to each song? Was it a different track prior to each song? No, like, oh ****. No, like, oh ****. What I would do is, so the [LAUGH]. What I would do is, so the [LAUGH]. I'm opening up to you right now. I'm opening up to you right now. Appreciate that. Appreciate that. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] You had like a desk mic. You had like a desk mic. No, no, no, no, way worse. No, no, no, no, way worse. So, [SOUND] So, [SOUND] A headset. A headset. A gaming headset. A gaming headset. [CROSSTALK] I guess I gotta like, I can't just stop now. [CROSSTALK] I guess I gotta like, I can't just stop now. Yeah, come on man. Yeah, come on man. So, check it out, which actually. So, check it out, which actually. Explains where we are today, I think. Explains where we are today, I think. Anyway, meaning like talking on. Anyway, meaning like talking on. Just tell the story. Just tell the story. [LAUGH] I'm trying to, dig my way out of it. [LAUGH] I'm trying to, dig my way out of it. So so no, no no no, what I would do is so the boombox I had, had like a little mic dot on the boombox. So so no, no no no, what I would do is so the boombox I had, had like a little mic dot on the boombox. Right? Right? Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Don't laugh, you prick, this is like, pure and genuine. Don't laugh, you prick, this is like, pure and genuine. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Okay, microphone on the boombox. Okay, microphone on the boombox. Son of a ****. Son of a ****. Right, so it had like a little microphne. Right, so it had like a little microphne. [COUGH] And when you were dubbing, you could stop the source cassette and just hit records. [COUGH] And when you were dubbing, you could stop the source cassette and just hit records. And the mike would activate. And the mike would activate. So, I would just be like. So, I would just be like. Yeah, that was rancid or something. Yeah, that was rancid or something. At the end of the song. At the end of the song. Yeah. Yeah. You don't interrupt the song. You don't interrupt the song. [CROSSTALK] I'm not a freakin' lunatic. [CROSSTALK] I'm not a freakin' lunatic. Yeah, I'll be like that's. Yeah, I'll be like that's. Like a DJ. Like a DJ. Yeah, like a radio DJ. Yeah, like a radio DJ. [CROSSTALK] That song's by Rancid from their album can you believe that? [CROSSTALK] That song's by Rancid from their album can you believe that? And then my voice was way [LAUGH] higher back then. And then my voice was way [LAUGH] higher back then. This is for you Mary. This is for you Mary. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Every track huh? Every track huh? Not every track but I'd be like, check out this one. Not every track but I'd be like, check out this one. That's cool! That's cool! And I'd be like another song or green day [LAUGH] or something. And I'd be like another song or green day [LAUGH] or something. No, all jokes aside. No, all jokes aside. That's freakin cool, man. That's freakin cool, man. Shut up. Shut up. No, no that's definitely not cool. No, no that's definitely not cool. Yeah, it is cool. Yeah, it is cool. [CROSSTALK] Definitely some high level corniness but. [CROSSTALK] Definitely some high level corniness but. It is cool. It is cool. It adds an extra personal element to it, which I respect so. It adds an extra personal element to it, which I respect so. [CROSSTALK] I think so. [CROSSTALK] I think so. You're damn freaking straight. You're damn freaking straight. Trey come on now. Trey come on now. That's so funny. That's so funny. Can you imagine as a parent if you walked in on your kid, recording something like that for his sixth grade girlfriend. Can you imagine as a parent if you walked in on your kid, recording something like that for his sixth grade girlfriend. It happens. It happens. Really? Really? [LAUGH] [LAUGH] That's like the only reason I wanna have kids too. That's like the only reason I wanna have kids too. Walk in on embarrassing situations like that. Walk in on embarrassing situations like that. [CROSSTALK] [CROSSTALK] Their awkwardness? Their awkwardness? And then just have like 50 years of making fun of them. And then just have like 50 years of making fun of them. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And that happened to you? And that happened to you? Well. Well. [LAUGH] Like, just one track with your dad just going aah! [LAUGH] Like, just one track with your dad just going aah! [LAUGH] [LAUGH] No no no, my dad wasn't a **** like that. No no no, my dad wasn't a **** like that. I think, This wasn't maybe a mixtape, but I would do, like, radio broadcast. I think, This wasn't maybe a mixtape, but I would do, like, radio broadcast. What? What? Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I'm starting to remember a lot of stuff now. I'm starting to remember a lot of stuff now. It's all coming back to me, man,like. It's all coming back to me, man,like. My college, like, drug phase is, like, lifting. My college, like, drug phase is, like, lifting. And everything's coming back to me now. And everything's coming back to me now. And I understand my memories. And I understand my memories. And I. And I have this, like, new sense of vividness. And I. And I have this, like, new sense of vividness. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And lucidity. And lucidity. What's. What's. Tell that story. Tell that story. [CROSSTALK] No. [CROSSTALK] No. So, what I would do is I would basically make my own radio programs, which I had no intention of ever listening back to. So, what I would do is I would basically make my own radio programs, which I had no intention of ever listening back to. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. I just would record, like, 90 minutes. I just would record, like, 90 minutes. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. And I would just like be a DJ, and I'd be like, yo, what's up, this is Jeff. And I would just like be a DJ, and I'd be like, yo, what's up, this is Jeff. I'm a crazy, you know. I'm a crazy, you know. [CROSSTALK] I don't have the sense that you were broadcasting to anybody. [CROSSTALK] I don't have the sense that you were broadcasting to anybody. No. No. Like, I would just record it. Like, I would just record it. And then what would you do with it? And then what would you do with it? Would you give it to people? Would you give it to people? I guess maybe I would like, listen to it or maybe give it to someone, or like give it to a friend or something. I guess maybe I would like, listen to it or maybe give it to someone, or like give it to a friend or something. But I was basically recording like a 90-minute. But I was basically recording like a 90-minute. Block of music with me, VJing. Block of music with me, VJing. VJ, DJing. VJ, DJing. Right. Right. That's cool. That's cool. [CROSSTALK] It is cool. [CROSSTALK] It is cool. And I guess it explains why my career [CROSSTALK]. And I guess it explains why my career [CROSSTALK]. Basically like a, a DJ mix. Basically like a, a DJ mix. They do that with but you just didn't have the drops. They do that with but you just didn't have the drops. Like you would just record those live. Like you would just record those live. Instead of having like a DJ Jeff. Instead of having like a DJ Jeff. Like you would just be like [CROSSTALK]. Like you would just be like [CROSSTALK]. I would do like sound effects with my voice. I would do like sound effects with my voice. Like that. Like that. I'd be like [SOUND] You know, crap like that. I'd be like [SOUND] You know, crap like that. [LAUGH] I was like. [LAUGH] I was like. Six. Six. Maybe like ten or eleven. Maybe like ten or eleven. So, that's really cool and that's what I did. So, that's really cool and that's what I did. And I guarentee you people listening to this are going to be like that's pretty cool, that's old school. And I guarentee you people listening to this are going to be like that's pretty cool, that's old school. Come on, Mario. Come on, Mario. Yeah I think it's cool. Yeah I think it's cool. Thank you. Thank you. [CROSSTALK] Like yeah really cool. [CROSSTALK] Like yeah really cool. Mario. Mario. [LAUGH] That's a really cool thing you did when you were younger. [LAUGH] That's a really cool thing you did when you were younger. That was super sincere. That was super sincere. You what I. You what I. I'll tell you an embarrassing story that'll hopefully make you feel better. I'll tell you an embarrassing story that'll hopefully make you feel better. Sure,, sure, sure. Sure,, sure, sure. So I dedicated a song to my girlfriend for our one year anniversary when I was in like seventh grade [LAUGH] and I don't even know if kids know you can do this. So I dedicated a song to my girlfriend for our one year anniversary when I was in like seventh grade [LAUGH] and I don't even know if kids know you can do this. But there was a radio station that was called 103,5 in Southern California. But there was a radio station that was called 103,5 in Southern California. Kost, right? Kost, right? K o s t. K o s t. The Kost? The Kost? The Kost. The Kost. And then, every evening, Terrence Sharp, the radio DJ, she would have love songs on the Kost. And then, every evening, Terrence Sharp, the radio DJ, she would have love songs on the Kost. And, she would invite people to call in, and dedicate songs to their loved ones. And, she would invite people to call in, and dedicate songs to their loved ones. You know, of course there would also be like a lot of angry people, that were dedicating mean songs, [CROSSTALK] but I called up and actually got on the air. You know, of course there would also be like a lot of angry people, that were dedicating mean songs, [CROSSTALK] but I called up and actually got on the air. I've no idea how I lucked out on doing this. I've no idea how I lucked out on doing this. But [LAUGH] I called up, and probably my squeaky voice too, I requested somewhere over the rainbow for. But [LAUGH] I called up, and probably my squeaky voice too, I requested somewhere over the rainbow for. Oh my god. Oh my god. My girlfriend [LAUGH] in the seventh grade. My girlfriend [LAUGH] in the seventh grade. So. So. They play it? They play it? You're welcome, Joann. You're welcome, Joann. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. [LAUGH] They have it? [LAUGH] They have it? They, they played it and I recorded it, like in the other room while I was live on the phone. They, they played it and I recorded it, like in the other room while I was live on the phone. So, when I heard them pick up I had to run to my mom's room and hit record on the tape player. So, when I heard them pick up I had to run to my mom's room and hit record on the tape player. Right. Right. Right right right. Right right right. [CROSSTALK] Yeah yeah yeah. [CROSSTALK] Yeah yeah yeah. And then I ran back to actually do the live recording. And then I ran back to actually do the live recording. God dude, you sound so old. God dude, you sound so old. And I gave that tape. And I gave that tape. [CROSSTALK] To my girlfriend. [CROSSTALK] To my girlfriend. Yeah. Yeah. As part of a mix. As part of a mix. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] To say like, this is what, this is how I feel about you, girl. To say like, this is what, this is how I feel about you, girl. This is how I feel about you. This is how I feel about you. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] This is what I'd for for you, girl. This is what I'd for for you, girl. This is how much I love you. This is how much I love you. [CROSSTALK] You know all those times you were alone at night? [CROSSTALK] You know all those times you were alone at night? Yeah. Yeah. Just know I'm thinking about you, girl. Just know I'm thinking about you, girl. Mm. Mm. It's like an interlude in a Boyz II Men record. It's like an interlude in a Boyz II Men record. [LAUGH] Let Peabo Bryson tell you what I cannot. [LAUGH] Let Peabo Bryson tell you what I cannot. That's so awesome. That's so awesome. [LAUGH] Oh man. [LAUGH] Oh man. Great stuff, great stuff. Great stuff, great stuff. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] What abour you Ariel? What abour you Ariel? You have anything to contribute to this horroible conversation. You have anything to contribute to this horroible conversation. Yeah [CROSSTALK] why were all just laying it out there. Yeah [CROSSTALK] why were all just laying it out there. I don't think I've ever done anything I. I was horrible at like you know, showing how much I cared about my girlfriend. I don't think I've ever done anything I. I was horrible at like you know, showing how much I cared about my girlfriend. Like every time I had a crush on a girl in high school. Like every time I had a crush on a girl in high school. You'd beat her up. You'd beat her up. No, no. No, no. [LAUGH] I would put a cassestte single in their locker, but I wouldn't put my name or anything. [LAUGH] I would put a cassestte single in their locker, but I wouldn't put my name or anything. Oh that's cool. Oh that's cool. Oh. Oh. [CROSSTALK] Like a secret admirer or something? [CROSSTALK] Like a secret admirer or something? Yeah, it would be like everything I do you're on my mind. Yeah, it would be like everything I do you're on my mind. Song, you know what I mean? Song, you know what I mean? So for real. So for real. [LAUGH] And then I would just put it, yeah, that was so for real yeah. [LAUGH] And then I would just put it, yeah, that was so for real yeah. So good. So good. And I just put it in their locker and [LAUGH] then just leave. And I just put it in their locker and [LAUGH] then just leave. You know, and they would never know who gave it to them. You know, and they would never know who gave it to them. I was really shocked. I was really shocked. [LAUGH] Chicks will be like man, I really wish. [LAUGH] Chicks will be like man, I really wish. Someone signed this. Someone signed this. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] This is really romantic. [LAUGH] This is really romantic. I wanna follow up with this person. I wanna follow up with this person. And then you just like never talked about it again. And then you just like never talked about it again. [CROSSTALK] Never talk about it. [CROSSTALK] Never talk about it. Just act like nothing happened. Just act like nothing happened. You're like the mystery tape deliverer. You're like the mystery tape deliverer. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] Wow. [LAUGH] Wow. We love it. We love it. We're like this. We're like this. Serial romantic. Serial romantic. Yeah. Yeah. [LAUGH] Undercover. [LAUGH] Undercover. That's sick. That's sick. Yeah. Yeah. Before we say good-bye for the weekend, I wanna, I wanna try and get to maybe like, one or two emails cuz a lot of people have been writing in and we haven't necessarily you know, acknowledged any of this stuff. Before we say good-bye for the weekend, I wanna, I wanna try and get to maybe like, one or two emails cuz a lot of people have been writing in and we haven't necessarily you know, acknowledged any of this stuff. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. There's here's one from a guy who calls himself Miedi. There's here's one from a guy who calls himself Miedi. And, he calls, the subject of the email stupid techno illiterate kids. And, he calls, the subject of the email stupid techno illiterate kids. Have you seen this email? Have you seen this email? Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I saw that. It came in to us, about, it came in to us yesterday. It came in to us, about, it came in to us yesterday. Um-hm. Um-hm. He says, hey, I was just catching up with the episodes. He says, hey, I was just catching up with the episodes. Last week I caught the show where you were saying, that our generation is in a unique situation technologically. Last week I caught the show where you were saying, that our generation is in a unique situation technologically. Because we have looked through the transitional period that allows to understand tech better. Because we have looked through the transitional period that allows to understand tech better. Your question whether kids today actually understand tech. Your question whether kids today actually understand tech. They are using or they are just sitting with their hands open, waiting to be delivered ready-made solutions? They are using or they are just sitting with their hands open, waiting to be delivered ready-made solutions? So, we said, yeah, by and large, they are tech dummies but consider this, how many people drive cars but don't know the first thing about working on one? So, we said, yeah, by and large, they are tech dummies but consider this, how many people drive cars but don't know the first thing about working on one? Even worse, how many people have human bodies? Even worse, how many people have human bodies? [LAUGH] And not know the first thing about how they actually work. [LAUGH] And not know the first thing about how they actually work. Where their organs are, which one of them actually does. Where their organs are, which one of them actually does. She says you guys are tech nerds, you know how to use the tech you grew up with because it was your interest and hobby. She says you guys are tech nerds, you know how to use the tech you grew up with because it was your interest and hobby. You questioning the tech literacy of the average person, is like a bunch of mechanics standing around questioning the auto literacy of the average person. You questioning the tech literacy of the average person, is like a bunch of mechanics standing around questioning the auto literacy of the average person. It's not your place in time, rather your personal interest which made you more tech savvy than most. It's not your place in time, rather your personal interest which made you more tech savvy than most. People know about what they choose to know about. People know about what they choose to know about. Alright, so I understand the point that he's making. Alright, so I understand the point that he's making. But I also kind of don't fully agree. But I also kind of don't fully agree. Just because, I still think. Just because, I still think. You'll still find that in our generation. You'll still find that in our generation. We are just filled with more people who get it. We are just filled with more people who get it. And is it because more people in our generation chose. And is it because more people in our generation chose. To align themselves with this technological revolution? To align themselves with this technological revolution? Perhaps, but we also had no choice. Perhaps, but we also had no choice. Where it's like if you're an auto enthusiast, you go out and seek that, you go out and do that. Where it's like if you're an auto enthusiast, you go out and seek that, you go out and do that. Where for us, it was kind of like par for the course. Where for us, it was kind of like par for the course. It was like a rite of passage. It was like a rite of passage. [COUGH] Yeah. [COUGH] Yeah. You know, it was like we, it was like being bar mitzvahed. You know, it was like we, it was like being bar mitzvahed. You, you like had this, you know, relationship with tech that you kind of, I don't wanna say were forced into but it was a way more accessible and social, you know, dynamic than it was. You, you like had this, you know, relationship with tech that you kind of, I don't wanna say were forced into but it was a way more accessible and social, you know, dynamic than it was. A niche like automotives or something like that? A niche like automotives or something like that? Do, do you what are your thoughts on that? Do, do you what are your thoughts on that? well, I was gonna say that I remember the first time where I felt like the internet wasn't a luxury anymore, and it was a necessity and that was when we began using the internet in school. well, I was gonna say that I remember the first time where I felt like the internet wasn't a luxury anymore, and it was a necessity and that was when we began using the internet in school. And, we use this app, called Blackboard. And, we use this app, called Blackboard. Sure. Sure. You know what that is? You know what that is? Yep. Yep. And, it basically lets teachers post essays, and homework, and notes from the lectures in class, online. And, it basically lets teachers post essays, and homework, and notes from the lectures in class, online. And, you would go to this hub, after your classroom, on Blackboard, and read it all. And, you would go to this hub, after your classroom, on Blackboard, and read it all. And, I remember, if you didn't do that. And, I remember, if you didn't do that. Then you had to stay after class and talk to the teacher, and since nobody wanted to do that, everyone then went home and, like, begged their parents to get the internet. Then you had to stay after class and talk to the teacher, and since nobody wanted to do that, everyone then went home and, like, begged their parents to get the internet. Right. Right. Because that meant that you could basically take tests online. Because that meant that you could basically take tests online. Right. Right. Which we all know were a front for cheating. Which we all know were a front for cheating. Right. Right. So, you know, [LAUGH] like, either you actually had to study really hard and take the test after class, or you could, you know, get the internet and do it at home. So, you know, [LAUGH] like, either you actually had to study really hard and take the test after class, or you could, you know, get the internet and do it at home. And that was the moment when I remember thinking, like, man. And that was the moment when I remember thinking, like, man. This is not just a hobby. This is not just a hobby. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, yeah, like this is gonna be a universal thing. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, yeah, like this is gonna be a universal thing. It's not just a tool to go online and get free music. It's not just a tool to go online and get free music. The pervasiveness of tech has definitely transcended the hobbyist sort of angle of tech. The pervasiveness of tech has definitely transcended the hobbyist sort of angle of tech. For sure. For sure. so, you make a good point, Mr. so, you make a good point, Mr. Mighty, but I still think. Mighty, but I still think. You know, this is something that. You know, this is something that. I mean and the evidence is there. I mean and the evidence is there. Like there are less IT people around. Like there are less IT people around. Are there? Are there? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. So, I think you know, and look, like I said we were casting a wide net with saying the generation coming up right now doesn't know a thing about tech. So, I think you know, and look, like I said we were casting a wide net with saying the generation coming up right now doesn't know a thing about tech. You said that. You said that. [CROSSTALK] We didn't say that. [CROSSTALK] We didn't say that. Oh no, I said it because it's true. Oh no, I said it because it's true. In my experience it's true. In my experience it's true. But you know. But you know. I'm sure there's still people out there like us who embrace it at an early age [CROSSTALK] and make it their, their, you know, sort of hobby. I'm sure there's still people out there like us who embrace it at an early age [CROSSTALK] and make it their, their, you know, sort of hobby. Jeremy writes in. Jeremy writes in. He has the subject programmer syndrome. He has the subject programmer syndrome. He wrote in yesterday. He wrote in yesterday. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Remember we talked about programmer, sort of like, not diseases, but like ailments. Remember we talked about programmer, sort of like, not diseases, but like ailments. Yeah, it's where they get overworked and they feel competitive with everybody else. Yeah, it's where they get overworked and they feel competitive with everybody else. Sure. Sure. Jeremy writes in and says I just listened to the March 17th show. Jeremy writes in and says I just listened to the March 17th show. Heard the story about mental disorders in programmers. Heard the story about mental disorders in programmers. I have firsthand experience with this. I have firsthand experience with this. I used to work as a programmer at a giant international bank. I used to work as a programmer at a giant international bank. The workload was huge and deadlines unreasonable. The workload was huge and deadlines unreasonable. There was a push for globalization, which really just meant that they're shipping programming jobs to India. There was a push for globalization, which really just meant that they're shipping programming jobs to India. Because they got paid less. Because they got paid less. That's messed up to call it globalization, just a euphemism for outsourcing. That's messed up to call it globalization, just a euphemism for outsourcing. It got to the point where I was the only U.S.-based programmer on my team, and I definitely suffered from that imposter issue. It got to the point where I was the only U.S.-based programmer on my team, and I definitely suffered from that imposter issue. Right, right. Right, right. When I often felt I was just winging it and didn't really know what I was doing and soon would be. When I often felt I was just winging it and didn't really know what I was doing and soon would be. Skulls and possibly fire. Skulls and possibly fire. It was especially bad for me because I always felt I had to justify my bigger American salary. It was especially bad for me because I always felt I had to justify my bigger American salary. This is crazy. This is crazy. Oh because developers make a ton of money. Oh because developers make a ton of money. Listen to this. Listen to this. I eventually ended up in a psychiatric ward on death watch. I eventually ended up in a psychiatric ward on death watch. What? What? Woah. Woah. I spent a week there trying to get my head on straight. I spent a week there trying to get my head on straight. And when I got out I quit my job and started driving a big rig cross country. And when I got out I quit my job and started driving a big rig cross country. Eww. Eww. That only lasted about six months, but it got me out of my own head and provided some perspective on life. That only lasted about six months, but it got me out of my own head and provided some perspective on life. I now have another programming job, at a much smaller more local company where demands are more reasonable and globalization is not an issue. I now have another programming job, at a much smaller more local company where demands are more reasonable and globalization is not an issue. I make a concerted effort not to take my work home with me, both literally and mentally and now I'm very happy and less stressed. I make a concerted effort not to take my work home with me, both literally and mentally and now I'm very happy and less stressed. By the way huge fan been listening for years. By the way huge fan been listening for years. You guys help me get through some long hours, while I was driving a truck. You guys help me get through some long hours, while I was driving a truck. Keep up the great work and that's. Keep up the great work and that's. Obviously quote unquote Jeremy. Obviously quote unquote Jeremy. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Wow, dude that is amazing. Wow, dude that is amazing. Yeah, I'm glad he's doing okay now. Yeah, I'm glad he's doing okay now. I'm glad you're doing all right, dude. I'm glad you're doing all right, dude. Yeah. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] That's a horrible. [CROSSTALK] That's a horrible. Everybody should listen, and listen to his story and learn. Everybody should listen, and listen to his story and learn. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] For sure. For sure. It's the real deal. It's the real deal. Be careful. Be careful. It's the total real deal. It's the total real deal. Finally Israel Perez writes in and says. Finally Israel Perez writes in and says. I just wanna give you guys an update on the ATM issue, that has made my work phone and email go crazy with inquires of customers wondering what they plan on doing. I just wanna give you guys an update on the ATM issue, that has made my work phone and email go crazy with inquires of customers wondering what they plan on doing. Remember the whole thing with like, they would, they would ATMs are all running on XP. Remember the whole thing with like, they would, they would ATMs are all running on XP. Oh right. Oh right. Out of support. Out of support. To clarify Jeff's comment about banks owning their own software, that is true. To clarify Jeff's comment about banks owning their own software, that is true. And they most likely still run XP, as a platform. And they most likely still run XP, as a platform. We still have our own software as a team of programmers that work, with the ATN company in order for both the bank software and ATN to run cohesively. We still have our own software as a team of programmers that work, with the ATN company in order for both the bank software and ATN to run cohesively. And guess what that platform is. And guess what that platform is. Well, it's Windows XP. Well, it's Windows XP. Mm. Mm. So, I dunno what that means, but apparently it's a big issue. So, I dunno what that means, but apparently it's a big issue. And this guy works in the industry, he would know. And this guy works in the industry, he would know. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. There's a lot more emails, but we'll get to them maybe next week. There's a lot more emails, but we'll get to them maybe next week. Cool. Cool. All right? All right? Thanks for tuning in everyone, shoot us an email, the404@cnet.com You can reach out on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and of course, our favorite naughty little spot on the internet, our sub Reddit. Thanks for tuning in everyone, shoot us an email, the404@cnet.com You can reach out on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and of course, our favorite naughty little spot on the internet, our sub Reddit. That's reddit.com/r/the404. That's reddit.com/r/the404. We're back here on Monday. We're back here on Monday. Everyone have an awesome weekend. Everyone have an awesome weekend. Until then I'm Jeff Bakalar. Until then I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Justin Yu. I'm Justin Yu. I'm Ariel Nuñez. I'm Ariel Nuñez. This has been the 404 Show. This has been the 404 Show. High tech, low brow. High tech, low brow. Hope all these RSS feed issues are fixed. Hope all these RSS feed issues are fixed. We are not holding our breath. We are not holding our breath. Hm-mm. Hm-mm. We will see you guys, Monday. We will see you guys, Monday. [MUSIC] [MUSIC]

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