The 404: Ep. 1455: Where there's a sucker born every minute
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The 404: Ep. 1455: Where there's a sucker born every minute39:22 /
Find out if your Android phone is infected with a secret to mine Bitcoin, LAX baggage handlers caught red handed (plus some travel hacks and pro-tips), a Kickstarter for filthy rich cinephiles, and the X-II chip brings mixtapes back in style.
It's Friday, March 28, 2014. I'm Ariel Nunez from our CBS Studios in New York City. [MUSIC] Welcome to the 404. What's up, everyone? Welcome to the show. I'm Jeff Bakalar. [MUSIC] And I'm Justin Yu. That was an awesome intro. I feel like. Well, thank you. 30 times more important right now. [LAUGH] I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, that's cool. That was great, Ariel. [CROSSTALK] Thank you. Good job [INAUDIBLE]. We're like the only podcast on the internet with an official announcer. [LAUGH] No, no, no. [LAUGH] Does anybody else do that? Fug, yes. No one else does that. [LAUGH] No one else had Ariel Nunez doing it for them, but us. Right, we're the only one with Ariel. And I said, [CROSSTALK] Fug by the way. [LAUGH] Either want to. Good to know that. What were you saying dude. Said I'm not cheap so. You're not cheap. [CROSSTALK] Only some people could afford to have me host. [LAUGH] Yeah. Intro. Speaking of which we got to renew. His contract now. [LAUGH] We're just going to keep adding more thing for you to do. In the intro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause [LAUGH] it doesn't seem like you have enough. It looks liek your nose is. Freeze. [LAUGH] So we'll have you with that too. Just have him painting something. Both hands, [CROSSTALK] and you're saying something, and you're painting at the same time. [LAUGH] What else? He's an octopus. [LAUGH] Alright, so welcome to the show everyone. I don't know, what are we calling this? Like, like black out 2014? [LAUGH] Like itunes-mageddon? Well, it's Friday. We've now gone a full week in the dark. We think it might be fixed today, but that's hilarious. [LAUGH] Yeah. So we'll see. I mean we really appreciate. If you are listening to this, we would imagine you're in very limited company, because of the difficulties people are having getting our program. I should say that we already know that the RSS feeds aren't updating. We've been getting a lot of emails. [LAUGH] People. Yeah but it's weird because they'll say hey I've been listening to the show for the past five years. Just wanted to let you know that your RSS feeds are down. Well you haven't listened for the past four days then. Right. Right. Which I don't understand that. We are aware of the problem. Thank you to everyone who is letting us know that but. We're working on that even though it doesn't seem like it because nothing changes. [LAUGH] Yeah. Hopefully today. Yeah. We got one email from some dudes like how hard is it to fix. And dude, I, I don't know. [CROSSTALK] Like a team of 30 people that are not getting any sleep all week just trying to solve this problem. And it's not just 404 either. Don't think that CNS just, you know, turning a blind eye to this problem. You know this is affecting CNS update, apple bite, all the shows you like on CNS. So. Right. Once we get up, everyone else will too. Yes. I guess. I don't know. Let's put that out of our minds. Hope that it just works itself out. Yeah, that always works well for this show. [LAUGH] I feel like that's the mantra for this show. Just slide that thing under the rug. It'll, it'll get fixed. There's really. You know, capable people. Yeah. Filled out our hand-out so I, I feel comfortable saying that. We got bigger problems to deal with too and, let's do a really quick run-down before we get to the stories. We're gonna talk about. An app that you may have downloaded on your Android phone, that actually has a Trojan on it to mine Bitcoin. It's really crazy. I can live with that. Yeah. And then, we're gonna find some way to sort of feed tech into this next story, but [INAUDIBLE] crazy. Have you heard about those LAX baggage handlers, that were caught stealing things? And they've been doing so for years. Well, that's shocking. I know. So, we're gonna talk about that, give you the details, and exactly what they stole, and where they were selling it. Okay. Then we're gonna talk about a Tom Hanks project to basically start a new Kickstarter. Type app, online, but only for rich people. It's basically a kick stater for rich people, hosted by Tom Hanks. Isn't that like real life? [CROSSTALK] Isn't that just like the start market? Yea it's called, [LAUGH] it's called first world economy. I figure it's just called capitalism. [CROSSTALK] Yea. It's a new app called capitalism, download it now. And then we are going finish up with a company that is sort of endeavoring to revive the mix tape. Okay. Which i think we all have a history with. Very dearly. I know how many mix tapes you've sent out. I mean, I mean, this isn't like 1994. But you did in the past. Of course I did. I know you did too? [CROSSTALK] Oh yea, well like make mix tapes? Yea. For sure. Right, and when I was a child I speak as a child but now I'm an old man and I do old man things. Oreal is really old. [CROSSTALK] He was making mix eight tracks. Yea. [LAUGH] Totally. I was pressing vinyls. [LAUGH] Mix. [INAUDIBLE] Very long process. [LAUGH] Took about six months. Yeah, that's genius. Let's start that. One, and it was only one side [LAUGH] because you just got fed up after. It's like. Yeah, those little 45s. [LAUGH] He was like forget it. Two songs, that's it. That's genius, let's do that. Getting into the first story though. This is scary, and, Jeff, I know you have an Android phone so this may apply to you. Hold on, you can hear me trembling in fear. Can you let me finish there's, there's people that have actually downloaded these two apps. I'm sure I have too. Yea, the apps are, that we're talking about are called. Songs and prized. No I didn't. Those are the ones that you're looking for and, you know, it seems like every day we talk about a new security flaw but the latest one is that researchers just discovered. That at least those two apps, maybe more, in the Google play store. Actually contain hidden code that use your phone to mine crypto-currency. Stuff like bitcoin, and then doge-coin. Doge-coin? [LAUGH] Yeah, have you heard of that. Yeah, I know. Based on that internet meme. So monies. Yeah, such awkwardness. [CROSSTALK] Right. and, and so this is how it works. Songs and Prize, those apps each have between a million and 5 million downloads a piece. So, just because you don't have it, just, there's definitely other people that are affected. You know, it's not really one of these problems that is really gonna ruin your phone. You know, they're not stealing your personal information. It's just a process, man. [CROSSTALK] It's just a process that's running in the background. Sure. That's just you volunteering to make money for somebody else who's running a program. So this is how it works. They basically get around the legal ramifications of this by baring, of admitting the mining. In the terms of service, so you know that thing in the beginning where you have to put I agree. Right. You have to click I agree and it has a huge line of text no wants to read that crap. No one ever does yeah. Buried within that it actually says, in the background we're gonna mine bit coins using the processing power on your phone. And so, you know, since no one reads that and they just hit okay, then it kind of absolves them of, of any legal stuff. It's it's brilliant, is what it is. Yeah, it's really smart. So it harnesses the power of your phone to, basically collaborate on solving these complex equations, and then it takes that. And use with those solved equations in conjunction with other phones doing the same thing, to basically come up with new bitcoins which then, they can trade for money. Right. It's kinda smart. It's like this really hidden pyramid scheme. It's still the wild west man, when it comes to apps and stuff. The internet? Yeah, it's wild, wild west. Yeah, there's no getting around it right? I feel like everything's a Trojan nowadays. Yeah. It's like, everything you have, whether it's like. You know, we always say this, but if the app is free then you're the product right? Yes. Either they're taking control of your eyeballs with adds. Or they're tracking you. [CROSSTALK] Or they're stealing your data. You can't open up credit cards anymore. They're leeches, these apps. They just want to suck some sort of information. Right. Right, right, right. And whether or not it's visible or not, it's happening in the background. So. Who downloads a, who downloads an app called songs? Yeah. I don't even know what songs does. Have you heard of that? Songs or prized. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, I'm not sure what that is. Who are you people doing this? But could you imagine I mean like, conspiracy theory alert. What if something like I don't know Flappy Bird, or Angry Birds or something like that. Random game that got super popular. Yeah. Was actually a front for BitCoin mining, and meanwhile there's this like bird character. [CROSSTALK] For a really long time and then get caught and that's that. Genius. Yeah. I think that's what we should [UNKNOWN]. Think you're just bitter you didn't come up with it. Mm-hm. I am. You can mine stuff. The problem is that you know, obviously mining Bitcoins takes huge computers that are running all day long. And you have to keep them powered and keep them from going to sleep. You would know if, if something was running this extreme in the background of your phone. Because the battery life would get depleted. [CROSSTALK] Right, and then you would probably be able to say oh, I, you could isolate the problem through one. Cuz if you got, you got rid of it and you're done. And you're done. Your phone'll also get really hot. So if you've noticed those two issues, your phone getting really hot and your battery running down really quickly. A hot phone? [CROSSTALK] A hot phone. Just, you know, make sure that you're not, downloading one of these apps and that's it. For sure. Yeah. Alright, tell me about the L.A.X. baggage handlers. Yeah, I guess this isn't huge news, but it's definitely one of the biggest cases we've seen of baggage handlers stealing stuff from people's luggage. So, yesterday the authorities announced that for the last four months. They've been conducting this investigation into 14 baggage handlers at LAX. Who's this woman behind us right now? [CROSSTALK] I know, she's pretty. I know, it kinda stole my glance for a second. She is pretty. They suspected these 14 handlers of stealing. And so they set up a sting operation over the last four months. And then after. Basically, researching over 25 search warrants they found thousands of dollars worth of passenger stuff. And not only that, they found the stuff, they also found records of Craig's lists transactions that they were going on afterwards. That's sort of the tech angle we're taking here. [LAUGH] They went on Craigs' lists and asked for it. So just to sell the stuff that they had. Craigslist, Craigslist was the fence. Yeah. So, that, okay, fair enough. Yeah. I mean, that's where they went. That's like basically the black market of stolen gear now. And it was like, you know, things like electronics, computers jewelry. Why people were putting this expensive stuff into the baggage they checked in doesn't really make sense. [CROSSTALK] Jewelry is strange. If you have stuff that. Jewel, oh, there she is again. Jewel. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, so if you [LAUGH] have stuff that you value, bring it on the plane with you. Yeah. Jewel, Jewelry is bizarre. Like, what are you doing. Stealing jewelry. What do you do? Like, in, in, well, not stealing it. What are you doing putting it in there? What, you mean travelers? In your luggage? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. [CROSSTALK] Don't check that stuff in. And what else was taken out? Electronics, computers? Who puts a computer in their laptop? I guess, if you're, if it's not your personal one. You know, [CROSSTALK] it's like company laptop, but you're probably not supposed to do that either. Just don't do that. Well, it didn't seem like a good for tech stuff because [CROSSTALK]. Everything's gonna get bounced around, yeah. You've seen, yeah, you've seen how the handlers throw those things around. It's just not a good idea. I've been flying a lot lately and I'm starting to learn like, the little secrets. Yeah. This is good, I'm glad you brought that up. [CROSSTALK] I was gonna ask you about little pro-tips and life hacks for travelers cuz I'm going on that big trip. Oh. And I'm very less traveled than you. Pro tip one, two, and three. Okay. Wear super comfortable pants. Okay. Like I wear these Adi, I have like Adidas flying pants I call them. Right. Right. I put those on, wear the most comfortable, if you can, like slip on sneakers. Yeah. Like I have a pair of Adidas that I haven't tied in like four years. Mm-hm. And there just my flying shoes. Yeah. And I put them on because they're sneakers but they're not like slippers and you can rock those. You don't have to worry about going through security. It's easy. I try not to wear a belt cuz that's annoying. You've gotta take off your belt. You also have to take off your shoes [CROSSTALK] when going through security. Try and get a, I still believe the best seat to have. Goes window, aisle, middle. Mm-hm. I just think that window seat is the, is the place to be because you don't have to deal with the people, you know, in the aisle with your elbows getting hurt. Mm-hm. And then obviously the middle is like the third circle of hell. Right. So, that sort of goes without saying. Yeah, I like that. Here's also, I got another one. [CROSSTALK] I would also put all of the stuff on my body in my pockets. You know, they give you the option to use that tiny little bucket, but that kinda scares me. What bucket? When you're going through the security line, you know you put your jacket in the big bin. Yeah. And they give you a tiny little, change bucket to put in your watch, your wallet, your keys, whatever else is in your pockets. But I never do that. I always just put that stuff into my jeans pockets beforehand. You're not supposed to do that. [CROSSTALK] You're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to do that? When was the last time you flew? Always. To Vegas. Well no, listen me. So, I put all that stuff into the pockets of like my jacket or something then put the jacket through the conveyor belt. Oh I'm sorry I thouhgt you kept it on your person. Oh no, no because then the, [CROSSTALK] the thing would go off. Alright, alright. I just put that in my jacket so it's all enclosed. Sure. Right I put it in my shoes. [CROSSTALK] That way I don't have to worry about dealing with a bunch of different things. Right. Good tip, good tip. Also. Here's another one. Nine, like, I find half the time, if I have a carry-on bag, a carry-on piece of luggage, they're still not gonna let me bring it on. Cuz it's too big? Right, cuz it's too big. So. I basically, without. The point is don't check it if, if you can get away with bringing it through the thing. Cause you're not gonna pay the fee. So, you just check it at the gate, that's free. You know? Oh, they don't charge you if you. Checking at the gate is free. You know, are forced to check it. [CROSSTALK] Yeah. I've done that too. That's the move right there. Try to bring it on. And then if they make you not carry it on, [LAUGH] then they'll check it in. [CROSSTALK] Like honestly try and bring everything with you to the gate. Sometimes they have that thing where it says like if you can't fit your luggage into this. Right. You can't bring it on. [CROSSTALK] They have that at security gate. If you can get past that you're fine. Right, right. The, the thing that was that little like size detector thing was at the actual gate. Not the security. Smart, smart. So, I knew, I knew I probably wasn't having this come on the plane with me. But I didn't mind if it gets checked. Rock and roll. Here's my pro tip. If you're travelling internationally, take photos using your iPhone, whatever, of all of your identification like your passport, your [CROSSTALK] ID, credit card, driver's license, all that stuff and then email it to yourself. And then have a local copy of it on your phone as well in case you lose it. Right. What about dummy wallets? Because I'm going to be going to not third world countries, definitely second world countries like China. [CROSSTALK] Dummy wallets? Yeah, because I'm afraid of getting pick-pocketed and I don't want to have to have one of those like. [CROSSTALK] Why don't you put your wallet in your front pocket and never worry about it? Yeah, I could do that. You'll have to get different kinds of jeans though. [LAUGH] Yeah, [LAUGH] what if I had a dummy, I was thinking about doing a dummy wallet? That's just another freakin' thing to carry. You're crazy. And then like have the pictures that come with the wallet. [CROSSTALK] Get a chain wallet. Like Sons of Anarchy? [LAUGH] Yeah, dude. Yeah. No that's a. Security hazard too, right. I feel like you'd get a red flag for that. [CROSSTALK] maybe, perhaps. yeah, I don't know what you do with that. Yeah. It's a, you're kind of, you just put it in your front pocket. Okay, put it in your front pocket. What else? You got, you have any travel tips for me? That's about it. [CROSSTALK] I think we've pretty we covered the gamut right that. Yeah, sounds about right. I heard this life hack, reading this life hack online that when it comes time to by airline tickets, you should clear your cache. And if you can, you should set your location to somewhere else. RIght, right, yeah, we've talked about that. Yeah, so that way you would get. And maybe even do the PC, too. Cause there's a rumor that they charge you more if they sense you're using a Mac. Right. yeah. What else you got? That's it. We've spent a lot on. Hacking. [CROSSTALK] How are you at hacking? Just, just. You a roller? Just terrible. [CROSSTALK] You gotta be a roller, not a folder, that's the life hack. For your jeans. Everything. No. Yes [CROSSTALK] You don't? Yes. With, dress shirts can't be rolled. Maybe not dress shirts, [CROSSTALK] but t-shirts definitely rolled up. Of course, yeah. Socks, underwear. Do not fold, roll. Right. It's even better to roll than to stack. You know, some people fold than stack. Yeah. Others just lay it out. Right. It's better to roll. Okay. Interesting. You know, I learn something new every day on this show. [LAUGH] My facts baby. I love them. Alright. Let's talk about Tom Hanks. I love Tom Hanks. Can I just say I love Tom Hanks. I was watching Apollo 13 the other day. Holy crap is that movie brilliant. Yeah. It really is. It's so good. They. I don't know what is it about him. I'm in love with Tom Hanks. I said it. I'm in love with Tom Hanks. [LAUGH] He's played every single role possible. Has he ever been in a bad movie before? Yeah. Of course he has, but I can't think of anyway. That Castaway movie wasn't very good. No, Castaway was good. DaVinci Code was worse. DaVinci Code's very bad. Yeah. Cool hair, very bad movie. Yeah. Yea. What else is good that he's done. Wha, are you serious? Do you even have to like, name. Toy Story. No, that doesn't come up in like the great films he's made. I guess, [LAUGH] I mean it just voi, I mean voice acting is go, a thing. Okay. What about Philadelphia, what about Forrest Gump? You've got mail. [LAUGH] Forrest Gump yes! Of course, Saving Private Ryan duh. Yea, but. I mean. Sleepless in Seattle's good, I mean, you've got Mail's great but Sleepless in Seattle's, its nonstop right there. Say what you need to say because I don't like being trolled on Friday. Big? Big oh legendary. Legendary film. Tom Hanks. [CROSSTALK] Bachelor Party. Joins the ranks of the Zach Braffs of the world. In sort of having some having some questionable activity online. So, there's this new service called Junction. And it's basically Kickstasrter for rich actors. And the idea is that you know it's basically just an investment company that's open to the public. And when you contribute you basically help to finance popular films from actors like Tom Hanks, who, in fact, is on here in a campaign. Okay. So the catch though, is that they only support rich people. So, it's kinda like you know, this network of, of really, really affluent people. It's the catch is that you can't even donate a little. You know on Kickstarter, there's the option to like donate $5 if you want? Sure. well, in order to even sign up for Junction, you have to have an annual income of $200,000 or a net worth of at least a million dollars. Okay. Before you can even sign up, you have to, you have to at least. Qualify for one of those. Okay. So far, I don't, I'm not against this. Okay. And the money raised is used sort of as an additional cushion for money, movies that are already funded. So, whether or not you decide to fund a campaign, the movie's gonna get made, right. It already has backers, so this isn't like an independent movie. Funding program. These are moves that have already gotten backers, producers, and actors assigned. Into the roles. But you're contributing money to basically just. Act as an additional cushion. Or a replacement for existing donations from other funders. So am I getting anything out of this. Am I getting a return. You're getting. [CROSSTALK] Clearly I'm not just donating. A million dollars to a movie. Right. I think the idea is that if you're so rich that you can donate a million dollars, you don't really care what the rewards are. No. I do. It's just that. People with millions of dollars want to make more millions of dollars. Yeah. [LAUGH] It should be the option that if you donated a million dollars, you get producer credit. Or, you get a walk on rule. If you donate a million dollars to a film. That's significant. Yeah. I mean you should really get either like, a percentage point of the box office gross, [CROSSTALK] or do something. Right, yeah. Come on. What, what the hell is this for then? Well, [LAUGH] because I can't sign up since I don't, you know, I don't make $200,000 a year and I don't have a net worth of $4 million. Yet. Yet. Yet. I can't see what the incentives are for you to donate. But if you do, [LAUGH] let us know cuz, there's, there's actually a Tom Hanks film that's on there right now. It's one of the biggest, the most funded campaigns. It's for a movie called A Hologram For the King, which is an adaptation. A novel by Dave Eggers. He's the guy that did, heartbreaking. Oh, I'm sorry [CROSSTALK] A Staggering Work of Heartbreaking Genius. That, that's an intense book. Whoo. Have you read that? [CROSSTALK] I have. You don't read. I do read, good. [LAUGH] I read real good. Alright, summarize that mov, the book for me. It's like his mom died. You didn't read that book. The film's gonna star Tom Hanks. [LAUGH] And it's directed by. You didn't read it? I didn't read it, no. [CROSSTALK] I could barely even read the title. No, I did read that book. Really? Yeah, Dave Eggers, man. Okay, Dave Eggers. yeah. [LAUGH] It's directed by this German director named Tom Tykwer. Okay. Anyway, so that's basically on its way to getting funded. Thanks to. This company Junction. So, if you have a lot of money, here's something you can do with it that we can't. That, there, we haven't done enough research on this. Something, there is something, some incentive to donate. Mm-hm. Copious amounts of money, towards a movie that's already gonna be made whether or not you donate. Yeah, that was the part that confused me, cuz I figured oh this was for movies that would get trashed, or whatever if you didn't contribute. But, yeah, it says right here, they're already funded. [LAUGH] It doesn't matter if you do anything or not. It's a non-story. Okay. Slow news day. I'm sorry. All right. Last story of the day. And what do we got? Mix tapes. What do you think? [CROSSTALK] Yeah, buddy. [LAUGH] That's the story. Mix tapes, what do you think, huh? [LAUGH] Sports night. I don't know, what do we think about mix tapes? Mix tapes are still alive. I, I made a mix tape for my girlfriend the other day, except it's, shouldn't be called a mix tape anymore. Cause I just gave her a CD. Really, you gave her a CD. Yea, I gave her a CD, and then she burned and then uploaded the songs to her iPod. Why didn't you just give her a thumb drive. I dunno, that, I dunno I guess I could do that, but it, [LAUGH] the CD felt a lot cooler than giving someone a thumb drive. Alright. It's your life. When was the last time you made a mix tape? A tape? I'm gonna say, cassette. [SOUND] 1996? 7? For Stacey? No. Didn't know her then. For some other girl? Really dude? What? That's a long time ago. 1996. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were like. 12 years old. I was like 14. [SOUND]. Yeah, I guess that's that's, that's probably the last time that I like really made the effort, you know, printed out the track listing. Oh, you put it on the cover. [CROSSTALK] Slid it in the little cassette cover. Mm-hm. Did you make art for it? Sometimes. Sometimes I would find the lyrics online and print those out as well. Did you name the tapes? Yeah. Oh yeah. [CROSSTALK] A lyric to one of the songs that was on it. It was just like, utter confusion. You know? A heartbreaking work of staggering genius. It would just be like, black soul death. Geez. [LAUGH] What kinda mixes were you making for people? Whatever it is. What about you, Ari, when was the last time you made a mix? When, when I started talking to Christina, I made her one. Nice. But, the, so that's probably like, four years ago? Did you make her, you made her a CD? Yeah, I made a CD, yeah. I definitely did the CD thing too. Sure. But I did it for myself. I don't think I ever made it for someone else. Mm-hm. Do you think Christine still kept that CD? She still has, probably not. [LAUGH] No? I mean she probably like, just downloaded all the songs and then threw away the CD. Yeah. You know, that's probably would've done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I miss those days. Do you? Fond memories. I, I mean, you still make mixes, maybe not a mix tape, quote unquote. [CROSSTALK] You just click buttons to make But if you've ever made a playlist. Yeah. Then it's basically the same thing as a mix tape. Right, it's your own mix. Yeah, but the problem with mixes now is that they're not tangible. I think that was the cool part about it before. Right. You actually had the artwork and personality. Yeah, [CROSSTALK] right, you'd be like aw, man, Jeff made that sick mix. You got that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now that's what Jeff calls music, volume five. [CROSSTALK] There you go. so, the, and the problem with that is that there's no music discovery anymore either. It's all algorithms and stuff that recommend music to you. Sure. But there's a new social experiment going on online and I think it's really cool. It's called 12. Okay. Although, it's written X dash. Two, or X dash I,I. Roman numeral two. Right But it's pronounced 12. And play this video while we talk about it. It all starts with what we're seeing here. Which is called the 12 tapes. And they kind of look like a regular cassette tape. But square. Like, small and square instead of a rectangle. And each of these 12 tapes has a low energy bluetooth. Mm-hm. Sensor inside of it, right? And so, when you get one of these, you basically just hold it up to your phone. And by proximity, thanks to the bluetooth, it automatically pairs, and then starts up the app, which you previously downloaded, right? And then it shows a screen which basically has tiles of all the songs that are embedded. That's kinda cool. [CROSSTALK] Onto that tape. That's cool. Yeah. It's cute. Really cool, right? I love the little cassette. [CROSSTALK] Set square. Yeah, it looks like one too. Has a little hole in the middle. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] Scrolling necessary. Right. It can hold 12 tracks. You know, just like a regular mix. That's exactly what I used to put on a CD. Yeah, I would milk it till as much as I could. Stuff that CD. Really? Oh yeah. You'd go like 18 tracks. [CROSSTALK] I would do like 33. No pauses in between. Yeah. You get that extra 10 seconds. [LAUGH] I would eliminate the yeah, would eliminate the the gap. The buffer, yeah. Yeah. Really? Hell yeah. What, what is this? No, because you could have music overload. You want, you know, a succinct mix. Oh you wanted the, [CROSSTALK] the, the collaboration. You wanted that whole thing to like. Speak is like a word? Yeah. Okay. This says what I can't say to you. Right, exactly, [LAUGH] yeah, there's 18 minutes of blank at the end, so what? So what? [LAUGH] Twelve tracks so short you gotta really pick your songs wisely. Each track actually holds a song, an image that you choose, so you can like take a photo of yourself and attach. To the song. Yeah. Which is kind of funny. [LAUGH] Kind of corny, I know. No, no, I'm just laughing because I remember making a cassette now for a girl. Uh-huh. And I did like Tom and Terry. Aah! [CROSSTALK] Dude, corniest recording ever. [LAUGH] No you want to know why. It was just like. Was it a different track prior to each song? No, like, oh ****. What I would do is, so the [LAUGH]. I'm opening up to you right now. Appreciate that. [CROSSTALK] You had like a desk mic. No, no, no, no, way worse. So, [SOUND] A headset. A gaming headset. [CROSSTALK] I guess I gotta like, I can't just stop now. Yeah, come on man. So, check it out, which actually. Explains where we are today, I think. Anyway, meaning like talking on. Just tell the story. [LAUGH] I'm trying to, dig my way out of it. So so no, no no no, what I would do is so the boombox I had, had like a little mic dot on the boombox. Right? Yeah. [LAUGH] Don't laugh, you prick, this is like, pure and genuine. [CROSSTALK] Okay, microphone on the boombox. Son of a ****. Right, so it had like a little microphne. [COUGH] And when you were dubbing, you could stop the source cassette and just hit records. And the mike would activate. So, I would just be like. Yeah, that was rancid or something. At the end of the song. Yeah. You don't interrupt the song. [CROSSTALK] I'm not a freakin' lunatic. Yeah, I'll be like that's. Like a DJ. Yeah, like a radio DJ. [CROSSTALK] That song's by Rancid from their album can you believe that? And then my voice was way [LAUGH] higher back then. This is for you Mary. [LAUGH] Every track huh? Not every track but I'd be like, check out this one. That's cool! And I'd be like another song or green day [LAUGH] or something. No, all jokes aside. That's freakin cool, man. Shut up. No, no that's definitely not cool. Yeah, it is cool. [CROSSTALK] Definitely some high level corniness but. It is cool. It adds an extra personal element to it, which I respect so. [CROSSTALK] I think so. You're damn freaking straight. Trey come on now. That's so funny. Can you imagine as a parent if you walked in on your kid, recording something like that for his sixth grade girlfriend. It happens. Really? [LAUGH] That's like the only reason I wanna have kids too. Walk in on embarrassing situations like that. [CROSSTALK] Their awkwardness? And then just have like 50 years of making fun of them. Right. Yeah. And that happened to you? Well. [LAUGH] Like, just one track with your dad just going aah! [LAUGH] No no no, my dad wasn't a **** like that. I think, This wasn't maybe a mixtape, but I would do, like, radio broadcast. What? Yeah, dude. What are you talking about? I'm starting to remember a lot of stuff now. It's all coming back to me, man,like. My college, like, drug phase is, like, lifting. And everything's coming back to me now. And I understand my memories. And I. And I have this, like, new sense of vividness. Okay. Yeah. And lucidity. What's. Tell that story. [CROSSTALK] No. So, what I would do is I would basically make my own radio programs, which I had no intention of ever listening back to. Mm-hm. I just would record, like, 90 minutes. Mm-hm. And I would just like be a DJ, and I'd be like, yo, what's up, this is Jeff. I'm a crazy, you know. [CROSSTALK] I don't have the sense that you were broadcasting to anybody. No. Like, I would just record it. And then what would you do with it? Would you give it to people? I guess maybe I would like, listen to it or maybe give it to someone, or like give it to a friend or something. But I was basically recording like a 90-minute. Block of music with me, VJing. VJ, DJing. Right. That's cool. [CROSSTALK] It is cool. And I guess it explains why my career [CROSSTALK]. Basically like a, a DJ mix. They do that with but you just didn't have the drops. Like you would just record those live. Instead of having like a DJ Jeff. Like you would just be like [CROSSTALK]. I would do like sound effects with my voice. Like that. I'd be like [SOUND] You know, crap like that. [LAUGH] I was like. Six. Maybe like ten or eleven. So, that's really cool and that's what I did. And I guarentee you people listening to this are going to be like that's pretty cool, that's old school. Come on, Mario. Yeah I think it's cool. Thank you. [CROSSTALK] Like yeah really cool. Mario. [LAUGH] That's a really cool thing you did when you were younger. That was super sincere. You what I. I'll tell you an embarrassing story that'll hopefully make you feel better. Sure,, sure, sure. So I dedicated a song to my girlfriend for our one year anniversary when I was in like seventh grade [LAUGH] and I don't even know if kids know you can do this. But there was a radio station that was called 103,5 in Southern California. Kost, right? K o s t. The Kost? The Kost. And then, every evening, Terrence Sharp, the radio DJ, she would have love songs on the Kost. And, she would invite people to call in, and dedicate songs to their loved ones. You know, of course there would also be like a lot of angry people, that were dedicating mean songs, [CROSSTALK] but I called up and actually got on the air. I've no idea how I lucked out on doing this. But [LAUGH] I called up, and probably my squeaky voice too, I requested somewhere over the rainbow for. Oh my god. My girlfriend [LAUGH] in the seventh grade. So. They play it? You're welcome, Joann. Yeah, yeah. [LAUGH] They have it? They, they played it and I recorded it, like in the other room while I was live on the phone. So, when I heard them pick up I had to run to my mom's room and hit record on the tape player. Right. Right right right. [CROSSTALK] Yeah yeah yeah. And then I ran back to actually do the live recording. God dude, you sound so old. And I gave that tape. [CROSSTALK] To my girlfriend. Yeah. As part of a mix. [INAUDIBLE] To say like, this is what, this is how I feel about you, girl. This is how I feel about you. [LAUGH] This is what I'd for for you, girl. This is how much I love you. [CROSSTALK] You know all those times you were alone at night? Yeah. Just know I'm thinking about you, girl. Mm. It's like an interlude in a Boyz II Men record. [LAUGH] Let Peabo Bryson tell you what I cannot. That's so awesome. [LAUGH] Oh man. Great stuff, great stuff. [LAUGH] What abour you Ariel? You have anything to contribute to this horroible conversation. Yeah [CROSSTALK] why were all just laying it out there. I don't think I've ever done anything I. I was horrible at like you know, showing how much I cared about my girlfriend. Like every time I had a crush on a girl in high school. You'd beat her up. No, no. [LAUGH] I would put a cassestte single in their locker, but I wouldn't put my name or anything. Oh that's cool. Oh. [CROSSTALK] Like a secret admirer or something? Yeah, it would be like everything I do you're on my mind. Song, you know what I mean? So for real. [LAUGH] And then I would just put it, yeah, that was so for real yeah. So good. And I just put it in their locker and [LAUGH] then just leave. You know, and they would never know who gave it to them. I was really shocked. [LAUGH] Chicks will be like man, I really wish. Someone signed this. Yeah. [LAUGH] This is really romantic. I wanna follow up with this person. And then you just like never talked about it again. [CROSSTALK] Never talk about it. Just act like nothing happened. You're like the mystery tape deliverer. Yeah. [LAUGH] Wow. We love it. We're like this. Serial romantic. Yeah. [LAUGH] Undercover. That's sick. Yeah. Before we say good-bye for the weekend, I wanna, I wanna try and get to maybe like, one or two emails cuz a lot of people have been writing in and we haven't necessarily you know, acknowledged any of this stuff. Mm-hm. There's here's one from a guy who calls himself Miedi. And, he calls, the subject of the email stupid techno illiterate kids. Have you seen this email? Yeah, I saw that. It came in to us, about, it came in to us yesterday. Um-hm. He says, hey, I was just catching up with the episodes. Last week I caught the show where you were saying, that our generation is in a unique situation technologically. Because we have looked through the transitional period that allows to understand tech better. Your question whether kids today actually understand tech. They are using or they are just sitting with their hands open, waiting to be delivered ready-made solutions? So, we said, yeah, by and large, they are tech dummies but consider this, how many people drive cars but don't know the first thing about working on one? Even worse, how many people have human bodies? [LAUGH] And not know the first thing about how they actually work. Where their organs are, which one of them actually does. She says you guys are tech nerds, you know how to use the tech you grew up with because it was your interest and hobby. You questioning the tech literacy of the average person, is like a bunch of mechanics standing around questioning the auto literacy of the average person. It's not your place in time, rather your personal interest which made you more tech savvy than most. People know about what they choose to know about. Alright, so I understand the point that he's making. But I also kind of don't fully agree. Just because, I still think. You'll still find that in our generation. We are just filled with more people who get it. And is it because more people in our generation chose. To align themselves with this technological revolution? Perhaps, but we also had no choice. Where it's like if you're an auto enthusiast, you go out and seek that, you go out and do that. Where for us, it was kind of like par for the course. It was like a rite of passage. [COUGH] Yeah. You know, it was like we, it was like being bar mitzvahed. You, you like had this, you know, relationship with tech that you kind of, I don't wanna say were forced into but it was a way more accessible and social, you know, dynamic than it was. A niche like automotives or something like that? Do, do you what are your thoughts on that? well, I was gonna say that I remember the first time where I felt like the internet wasn't a luxury anymore, and it was a necessity and that was when we began using the internet in school. And, we use this app, called Blackboard. Sure. You know what that is? Yep. And, it basically lets teachers post essays, and homework, and notes from the lectures in class, online. And, you would go to this hub, after your classroom, on Blackboard, and read it all. And, I remember, if you didn't do that. Then you had to stay after class and talk to the teacher, and since nobody wanted to do that, everyone then went home and, like, begged their parents to get the internet. Right. Because that meant that you could basically take tests online. Right. Which we all know were a front for cheating. Right. So, you know, [LAUGH] like, either you actually had to study really hard and take the test after class, or you could, you know, get the internet and do it at home. And that was the moment when I remember thinking, like, man. This is not just a hobby. [CROSSTALK] Yeah, yeah, like this is gonna be a universal thing. It's not just a tool to go online and get free music. The pervasiveness of tech has definitely transcended the hobbyist sort of angle of tech. For sure. so, you make a good point, Mr. Mighty, but I still think. You know, this is something that. I mean and the evidence is there. Like there are less IT people around. Are there? Yeah, for sure. Mm-hm. So, I think you know, and look, like I said we were casting a wide net with saying the generation coming up right now doesn't know a thing about tech. You said that. [CROSSTALK] We didn't say that. Oh no, I said it because it's true. In my experience it's true. But you know. I'm sure there's still people out there like us who embrace it at an early age [CROSSTALK] and make it their, their, you know, sort of hobby. Jeremy writes in. He has the subject programmer syndrome. He wrote in yesterday. Mm-hm. Remember we talked about programmer, sort of like, not diseases, but like ailments. Yeah, it's where they get overworked and they feel competitive with everybody else. Sure. Jeremy writes in and says I just listened to the March 17th show. Heard the story about mental disorders in programmers. I have firsthand experience with this. I used to work as a programmer at a giant international bank. The workload was huge and deadlines unreasonable. There was a push for globalization, which really just meant that they're shipping programming jobs to India. Because they got paid less. That's messed up to call it globalization, just a euphemism for outsourcing. It got to the point where I was the only U.S.-based programmer on my team, and I definitely suffered from that imposter issue. Right, right. When I often felt I was just winging it and didn't really know what I was doing and soon would be. Skulls and possibly fire. It was especially bad for me because I always felt I had to justify my bigger American salary. This is crazy. Oh because developers make a ton of money. Listen to this. I eventually ended up in a psychiatric ward on death watch. What? Woah. I spent a week there trying to get my head on straight. And when I got out I quit my job and started driving a big rig cross country. Eww. That only lasted about six months, but it got me out of my own head and provided some perspective on life. I now have another programming job, at a much smaller more local company where demands are more reasonable and globalization is not an issue. I make a concerted effort not to take my work home with me, both literally and mentally and now I'm very happy and less stressed. By the way huge fan been listening for years. You guys help me get through some long hours, while I was driving a truck. Keep up the great work and that's. Obviously quote unquote Jeremy. Mm-hmm. Wow, dude that is amazing. Yeah, I'm glad he's doing okay now. I'm glad you're doing all right, dude. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] That's a horrible. Everybody should listen, and listen to his story and learn. [LAUGH] For sure. It's the real deal. Be careful. It's the total real deal. Finally Israel Perez writes in and says. I just wanna give you guys an update on the ATM issue, that has made my work phone and email go crazy with inquires of customers wondering what they plan on doing. Remember the whole thing with like, they would, they would ATMs are all running on XP. Oh right. Out of support. To clarify Jeff's comment about banks owning their own software, that is true. And they most likely still run XP, as a platform. We still have our own software as a team of programmers that work, with the ATN company in order for both the bank software and ATN to run cohesively. And guess what that platform is. Well, it's Windows XP. Mm. So, I dunno what that means, but apparently it's a big issue. And this guy works in the industry, he would know. Okay. All right. There's a lot more emails, but we'll get to them maybe next week. Cool. All right? Thanks for tuning in everyone, shoot us an email, email@example.com You can reach out on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and of course, our favorite naughty little spot on the internet, our sub Reddit. That's reddit.com/r/the404. We're back here on Monday. Everyone have an awesome weekend. Until then I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Justin Yu. I'm Ariel Nu