Ep. 1398: The Bing sting

Today's Tuesday February 1 when you left. And -- -- -- -- I've -- all of Hollywood positive buzz out loud podcast of indeterminate length it is episode thirteen ninety eighths. I realize if you are -- -- -- show we just -- things up with if you like we the musical renditions of different songs we have like black and yellow from was Khalifa representing. Pittsburgh Steelers and we do little switch on that for the giant's black and Koreans. And then we with doubts whether what I like it she said I like it she hasn't -- -- selling. It into our imported from tasters where at birth size gas -- he'd head like she's so getting -- -- -- the has gotten on regular pre sales of -- you if you don't like that exactly it that's why it's you know guide -- were like of these you -- -- via our corner that they. It's not cnet.com -- -- reluctantly -- and. -- -- -- -- -- At and generally -- it -- and -- it is. But let's get to the news because I know you're now listening to them again in your matte and if federal Internet and you don't hear about anymore. -- What's happening in the news Google and Twitter is actually really cool article Google and Twitter have released -- service for those in Egypt who cannot get online because yesterday. Egypt last he went down nor group with Apple on Monday. And -- they released the service that is basically speak to translate. And what's what's great about this is that uses one of their recent acquisitions. -- now and then plugs in to Twitter. And essentially you can you have the ability to communicate by calling in three. Landline numbers and then use your voice communicating that and it turns it into a tweet with the hatch -- Egypt. It's pretty amazing though they've got it likely that the three numbers and I can read about them zooming in on the Internet -- Egypt and listening to it. But go -- -- show notes that you think you can text that anybody -- problem with it and there's a cool video actually of volunteers. That's up on the next Web.Com. Volunteers translating the Egyptian protestors on messages into all that's crazy it's pretty remarkable as of 9:50 PM Pacific time some Catholic -- about an hour -- -- we went live. The volunteer translators that -- more -- -- completed the translation of almost 200 phone messages while of people calling in and -- -- three. You can't stop the technology machine you really can't cannot this is awesome and that it sounds like they're gonna re tweet them somehow like -- -- What I'm not clear about is to keep -- the other -- out on the account speak to tweet. I.s that idea so all -- -- between humans and -- -- that the number BTU tweak it back and undertaken right now and it upon. It was an experience. So far it looks like -- -- Tweet that with the late. So it says what to tweet from Egypt and then you click the link and then and it plays plays the voice message so -- -- -- for good. That are not very good and I think so far they haven't meant to play one -- -- actually -- go to this link twitter.com. -- speak to -- Yeah right now they're just putting up the actual voice messages and then they will put them out when -- translate -- later. -- so it hasn't it hasn't been voice -- text yet it's just the actual release file they're still working on the template and I think they have -- Not an English. Hold -- back fired on US and Canada. -- But it -- -- -- right now at the -- street from people inside Egypt and then they have these volunteers and there's some video of that which is actually pretty remarkable. And -- translating obviously than them just like putting them into a giant spreadsheet -- implement net Web.Com story. -- make and and -- it all over the world. -- -- me says he followed -- that -- -- he followed the Twitter feed but it kind of -- your feed because it's just like solid one come in yet another one. And it sounds they say that Google doesn't have. Any official connection with the volunteers. This is using they announced that lets them allow them to love -- -- and -- that -- out India in. In non real time and -- -- -- but it is really against sell well. Internet pretty crazy in that this is happening and or you can watch a video of a real time spreadsheet which. Hot -- If you have time to do that feel free to enjoy that I'm going actually do work and enjoy my life let but I gotta -- -- and keep it Roland intently. It -- now of course. If the simplest way to put it is yes they do you support human rights and he did like the portrait of the protesters to protest and -- -- it is remarkable how. Usually this is the kind of thing that happens and people think well that's right and some country that we don't go to. You know and it's possible that America only got interested when he -- turn off the Internet. But America's interest that now -- the Internet is like taking care -- you know. All to -- you know it the biggest thing about is you want they want their voice be heard they wanna know that the world tonight knowing that because they've been. Essentially walled off and everything right and it's working and now and and it's cool that you can have such a dramatic set -- of communication and that. People still find a way that it can not only like get the message out but that you know real anywhere to get in and help and math via. The Internet it is a good place to be. Unless you're in Canada. Unless you're in Canada yeah -- was if you're having a bad so what happened is mislead the Canadian radio television -- -- commission approved. For usage based billing. And it and -- carrier bell Canada who also licenses out. There -- lines to other like -- -- like last mile copper connections so that other ISPs that use their lines as well. They're going to be metered -- -- also what that comes down to. Is people that sign up bomb on ISPs like tech savvy who were initially on a plan that gave them 250 gigs. Or in some cases a limited access for no data caps. They'll be kiss scene that. Good -- and will be reduced to a cap of 25 gates and pump from ten million -- five gates and Matt didn't now this would this came out yesterday so. Which -- -- you know we kind of missile a bit but obviously we had to bring it up. Yeah just potential implications of what we will potentially see in the future. -- -- And -- believable. It sounded like it's of people have been picked up and expressing outrage about the proposal to move to -- UBB basically that the United States billing. And then now all of a sudden it's gone into effect -- panel those where it nobody really realized counting -- about it was really going to be until all of a sudden. One day you had been paying for -- and paying 32 bucks a month to get 200 gigs of data. And now you're going back down to 25. Point backwards using they like using the computer and access though but her videos movies down even file downloads can't -- it there's no it isn't a mile by -- -- five gigs -- And it -- your -- -- families. Good luck. Funny I think -- like all the stuff all the drivers yet to update every month you know. It is. I mean really it's like it reacted a reacted -- everything but if I can't. Actually update -- -- think may not so funny now is it. Note like double the Canadian radio telecommunications commission approved UBB for bell Canada and -- in September and in competitive eyes -- Will also be metered by bell and this of the kind of thing that are you guys -- have been making noise about in fact there's a proposal floating around the Internet yesterday. With US ISPs starting to look at charging you know per gigabyte -- areas. Various services starting to charge hopefully content providers and also users mean this -- Isn't that terrifying. Blood -- terrifying trend that we could potentially becoming -- US IPs -- and it is. It's just not its so. It's like we're the consumers -- -- -- -- way and the -- Yzerman in this way and there's just no way that that in a work. And this is down -- aren't as downright abusive like a great thing -- can't even believe that a consumer commission would allow Canadians to be subject to these kind of pricing. -- that -- and they're all part now there are -- -- some. They use quotations the good news so you're not you can still get more data or an in -- on your -- you can buy insurance. It's just that which is defined. As they see a -- -- subscription fee that gives you additional monthly usage so it's four dollars and Sony five cents for. Forty gigs more of additional data but at the end of the day you are still pain. Yeah you're that your pain a lot more than you ever had to other severe economic -- and -- 175 was gigs of data than you were. And you're still paying the same price as far as I know and that it's -- -- -- it's so unbelievably anti consumer can't believe it. Like give it an unbelievable. Tech savvy though the ISP apparently hates it just as much as consumers do and -- -- complaining about it and what's really interesting is that they say. That one certain result of this move is that bell which is doing all of -- meter in. Will make much more profit on its Internet service and Abel prize also would discourage Canadians from and we got an email about this last week. Discourage Canadians from watching TV and movies on the Internet instead of CTV which bell now bones. You I think -- permanently I think in in the context of -- -- -- until my friend in the context of Comcast NBC -- absolutely. Like that no old buddy in the TV business want you watching TV on the Internet and -- you have ISPs in the TV business. That's how this kind of thing. It pushed through because these guys have nothing but money to throw at little government commissions and convince them to just guru consumers company -- and though that they can preserve their TV -- And they've try to you know you've seen the whole Hulu model how it's changed over time and BC universal I mean they're they're not happy with how Hulu has panned out. They're not happy not enough I mean it's -- we've seen the service and how must -- for certain content we can't get. They're not happy with how that models are trying to figure out what else can we do. And to them the best solution is bullets is do things but ultimately we still want people to go back to their TV sets at home and watch it at all the app that's all it -- down. -- wanna be able to charge you at least four times for all of the data pipes that are coming into your house and they want a mixture that you're using the ones that are the most cost efficient for them. I mean it's real and you know Netflix is a huge target of the -- we've talked over the past week or two about Netflix is coming out. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- this is exactly. This is exactly. The nightmare scenario. One of the nightmare scenarios that we talked about we've that the Comcast should actually not true that the DOJ should not approve the Comcast NBC merger. -- mean this is plenty of people in a conflict of it just like that. Now luckily -- -- telling us that Canadian. Not surprisingly Canadian consumers are. That's not up to the little things that the Liberal Party is reviewing an opposing the decision and hopefully there won't be enough outrage I mean it might really be one of those things where. Think you -- consumers that -- really like they look at their bill particulate billing cycle they'll think one billing cycle and they are to be like agents out riot -- industry. Okay not -- not that extreme but not that it's not that extreme but that. I didn't -- I -- -- -- I just they don't -- -- camel and believe it. -- days they definitely need to -- this. AS AP now we'll move on our next story in things that might have been attracted we talked about Samsung's sales. -- -- you know they said they were pushed out two million. Units and everyone's like all great in there are reports -- -- Android talented -- like taking market share away from Apple tablets but it was like. And then the kind of clarified okay that was actually units shipped not sold to consumers with our hands and Samsung Wii title -- the Samsung outright at -- on at a recent policy was an earnings report they -- quarterly earnings. They said they -- Wright said -- executive said the figures don't actually represent sales to consumers. So those two -- you thought that were shipped out and sold in -- -- -- People you actually know honestly that have a Samsung Galaxy Tab that's always the best -- you know how many of these -- in the -- honestly. I haven't I've actually have yet to see someone using one in the wild and earth in -- so. Where he and the other thing that's interesting about is that even after they clarified the units sold vs sold to consumers number. They also ITG investment research tracked the point of sale data from 6000 wireless stores the US. And found that the svelte Galaxy Tab has an unusually high return rate. In fact that there assuming that the return rate might be a key is 16%. While. The return it at for the iPad at Verizon since its debut with the MiFi bundle is 2%. People seem like that product the -- they pretty much keep -- when they get it. -- -- -- -- That means those numbers and percentages that said like let Apple announced of the -- -- the -- market. What -- attract few million units or let's say even to attract a million and -- -- units because we don't know how many actually consumers but. I mean that number probably -- that more towards 8085%. -- easily rank. So he -- that if I mean. It doesn't. It bodes ill for the Galaxy Tab although it's not that surprising this is a very very first and product it's running what is basically and -- a blown up. Phone operating system and everyone who uses it not only the I turn based general and -- it realizes it you know. They're they're using obviously the your phone OS and it's not a tablet OS it's really -- tell -- it's cool that's kind of a beta it's gonna get gingerbread. It's getting if you're adding it. I -- honeycomb coming up cognac and it certainly is nowhere near the death knell for Android tablet no means that all the hopes. Obviously can't hang on only the -- them. Eleanor but I do I wish they had more data on why. Why they were returning them yet is it about the OS is that not quite -- is that the size you know and a. I have questioned. All we know we should conduct the survey of our own just double survey like forty people like gene Munster to -- -- Ouch yet -- well actually if any of you have. Purchase the Galaxy Tab. Tell us bloody like it and nor whether you have returned it -- why not also now we just see the lover chat room -- he died just totally -- -- -- thing Android central is saying that the that -- earnings sculpting is a misinterpretation. And that they're saying that there's fell in with quite aggressive earth being quoted it being interpreted to say that. The -- that they were not impressed with their sales. But the actual -- is even though cell outlets and -- fast as we expected we still believe sell out with quite okay. -- that is not bad habit and it. And that's just smoothing things over -- they've been widely reported over the past couple days that Samsung Galaxy -- still have been quote quite small. He didn't actually -- quite -- -- translation error but rather quite smooth. -- -- -- -- In I -- sell a company is not gonna say outright say quite small now whenever I don't know what are you gonna use the word small in a court in a corporate earnings report you're not yet. You're stupid there's still I mean there's no question there's still to return rate issue and -- still the question of sold to consumers as both -- the -- but again it's not only Android tablet that the beyond and more coming competition is -- -- let's take a quick. Break Natalie like over where matters -- deep deep deep into a hole that when we come back we're gonna talk about Google accusing them being of copying search results looked out. And why Apple's share maybe I -- my -- bank account that. All right the battle for -- obviously -- mobile search -- from your computer. Will Google. Is now saying that being of their friends being what makes the ground like 10% of the market share for circuit -- -- like that last time I heard. Some around that being used it's they're -- Google's claim that being is cheating. And popping their search results so recently happened at the end of 2010. Around December Google ran a sting operation. To try improve. That being has been watching what people search for on Google so because a lot of these babies sleep to this they treated. An algorithm where they use search terms that at the moment showed up nothing. Okay and so what happened they wrote a program that would then a specific type of site which -- in that search so they're obscure words or letters like. I don't even know what this is but I can you type in HI YA BB. PR QAG. They would Google created a little out of them where site would show up for that specific that maybe a hundred search terms -- if you -- in the same thing in Bing. Bing would also get that exact sites. That Google it used to try and see are they really copying our algorithm. The other really damning thing seems to be that they. They noticed that being got exceptionally well -- -- the same sites that Google listed in results. Even when someone would enter an unusual misspelling so over at Google. There's there and -- search engine land there's a good breakdown when it got over at Google -- -- -- search for horse or a fee. Right but M and Google says we're showing you results for cars are -- fee which is -- surgical procedure in which the islands are partially them together which is awful. Sounding. And then over at being -- didn't correct that misspelling but being listed the exact same Wikipedia page at the top of that there are -- Google does for its corrected spelling results. And is typically taking at least the top. Recommend -- recommended site from Google and -- also on the top and -- now they said one of the ways that they -- might be gathering this information. Is through their suggested sites because essentially. When people do searches in -- explore. -- -- it essentially pulled that -- And then see what people -- searching for and -- what they're clicking on what it's at the top right so that's why Google is like okay we're gonna trying -- this -- -- in this kind of obscure search words and see if there actually taking what we do and it's showing up in beings on search and. Now Microsoft. Said. Originally now as people have been asking what you deal. Are you copying Bing -- desire -- Google -- -- to that we use multiple signal and approaches and ranking search results the over arching goal. Is to do a better job determining the intent of the search -- we can provide the most relevant answer to a given query. Opt in programs like the toolbar help -- with click stream data. One of many input signals we and other search engines use. To help rank sites. And then they put out the new statement after they were asked again. Because silicon Alley insider had some good perspective apparently on how much that has been using its toolbar add on to keep tabs on search terms and topics. So they might actually be watching your search terms they Google through the toolbar. And then the new statements attributable to a company spokesman for Microsoft as we do not copy Google's results. Period. But they have not offered any kind of explanation for -- the things that Google found in the big thing. In it that being staying the big thing. It I mean thing. This isn't gonna change -- uses -- search engine it's just trying to stir. Stir up the pot exit off when you what -- and why it it's not like they're out I -- stealing algorithms -- -- if there. Browser and of Google allows that data to be. Sent away or imported by Internet explaining they could potentially try to block that are prevent Google from even being on Internet Explorer if they really -- -- -- and then. Microsoft wouldn't have that data if Google really wanna be like don't -- as we're gonna remove the option for Google search on and explore in what they do that no now that they're still making money off of it. I mean it doesn't. It's really interesting they -- so Microsoft has been. Openly talking about the fact that -- Alley insider on its site. As openly talked about the fact that they watch user behavior on their on their -- India Internet explore and then change the search results accordingly. Who doesn't and there's no reason I -- to assume that that wouldn't potentially include. Very similar results to Google if not the exact same ones. In some cases have not all the not all the hits are showing in the same of the Google is collectively the top ones -- I mean it might be one of those things where. You know Google thinks it's not ethical. Alleys that Alley insider's that they intend invested time in -- finished or to outgrow them and only theme being -- climate but from Microsoft's perspective it simply improving user experience. -- -- -- and that we back up the thing we're not stealing you know where I'm not being their results but it could definitely be that. That a Google results page might be one of there. -- metric against a methane is the nicest way to do business -- dumb yeah they're actually not exactly. Speaking of not very nice way to do business. That it -- -- blurred. Apple is apparently further tightening control over the App Store the company has told some application developers including Sony that they can no longer sell content like. Within their apps or. Nor can elect customers have access to purchases that they have made outside the apps are so if you're in that Sony e-book out. And -- bottom and just up at the Sony e-book store like on your reader. You wouldn't be able to access the that would be actually very very bad about started to apply to the Kindle app yeah I mean -- Everyone they use the -- knows that you jump out to the browser. Of buy to purchase the book of the transaction and then it goes directly to the Kindle App Store are sorry the Kindle app and -- Apple hasn't banned or stopped Amazon you know I don't. The thing that is curious about this is okay they rejected Sony's recent like submission -- to go outside of their captive to get them content. You would think that if this we don't know if it's anything specific to that app because if they were really to me if they were really against that they would've liked. Told Kindle like to changer app. -- it doesn't it doesn't add up for repeat I don't we just wanna be costs where people -- whenever you hear the word Apple in control everyone gets crazy about it. Well apparently they got -- crazy and and now I just Google that Apple has already issued her response. This claim which was made primarily in the New York Times and it with the original report was based on these though these comments from Sony. Which said that the e-book reader had failed to pass Apple's approval process because the in app sales weren't going -- Apple that. That did some moderately freak people out however. Apple has already responded and said we have not changed our developer terms or guidelines. We are now requiring though they say that if an app offers customers the ability to -- -- outside of the app. That the same option is also available to customers from within the app with in app purchase. So they -- -- -- actually -- like a distinction without -- -- they just want you didn't have both options basic purchase either directly in the app or outside the -- that sounded like if I -- translate you correctly back. -- all that speak. And it would be they say that would be the reverse of the situation reported by the time. Which does make more sense it pulls in popular titles like the Kindle. And then similar content access apps including -- Hulu and Netflix and pandora. They -- pulling that kind of thing would do little to benefit Apple which is totally true yeah I mean -- make everybody wondering are they really -- intended on Kindle. There but they are saying. We do want you to include an in app purchase option because we want a cut on sales enabled -- I -- -- -- And -- then I guess that that you as the developer at least for now to decide whether you want and them outside the app or whether you wanna get an apt get Apple had itself. Certainly could be a move in that direction. Maybe. -- -- yeah maybe it has developers nervous about that but really like there's no way Apple in and do something that would basically kick the can opt out. And kicking kicking other basically other apps that fueled the content for people to them. Either device wreck it just makes no sense the -- Are good although it does sound like there isn't a requirement that you should be aware of which is that you do you have to have an in app purchase option you can only rely on sending people -- the lab which is an honor for developers but you can't I can't say that there had been a fundamental change and -- -- there -- this shouldn't I know that's like we haven't -- a developer terms -- guidelines except for -- -- -- -- avenue -- aperture is not -- -- -- -- -- -- -- that but I'm assuming the developers actually a lot easier. The -- got to do this thing it's harder but other than that there's no change it that this change okay we don't we cleared that up for you. Everyone's fully well that I write something a little more easier to digest with Apple news Apple's 4% of the mobile market share. They only make up 4% of the mobile market in a phone sales but they rake in over 50%. Of the total profits -- -- -- 51%. So what you have here is it's all comes down to the price -- devices. The margins of their devices through Apple revealed earlier this month they sold sixteen -- -- -- Q4 million iphones. The average selling price of an iPhone increased from practically 610 dollars to 625. Dollars they're making O 32%. -- margins. Or sorry excuse me. -- Apple's part it sorry earlier Apple's reported making 32% of the industry's profits but I know the margins on their products are really high rent and that's one of the reasons why they're doing so while the. Or they had 32% of the industry's profits now there to 51 -- and -- -- the profits could continue to soar as Apple as the new Stevie Mac front -- of the land that is basically just a good follow on yesterday's story which is that the that Android may now all in the Smartphone market in terms of share. But the but Apple still raking in the lion's share of the money and would not try it out while profits from app purchases and what not this is purely from the hardware itself right. So the pictures and they're slated to just pump up those profits by and -- -- up. -- -- -- -- -- only make 4% market -- -- does kill and I did not even on Verizon. No not even and then one thing that we talk about is this was kinda on in the pre -- it matches with their boss because away away away away back in the day. When I was a young little upper snapper and I worked a lot of 41 of their Montrose what they have this thing that's at like 2% and 90%. And when Apple is still trying to like reinvigorate its brand and roll -- they retail stores. This story the story that. Mercedes-Benz. Ray tubes on the march of the BMW as the it's okay it doesn't mean. Your products you know. Why someone comes a sort of like -- -- in apples and of the windows machine. And then Dallas part of the story that they crafted in. Italy it holds choose their it holds true here -- when you have the price the hardware so high and the margins so high if they're gonna be driving the product they don't care everyone who says well they should do this news become more -- -- mainstream. A machine they don't they already are becoming more of -- means -- machine but they don't care. And the main thing is that it's K it's about consolidation on the one company so there you know -- -- and way more Android handsets Smartphones have sold. Then iphones. But all of the money from an iPhone unveiled goes Apple whereas like those Android handset sales are spread across manufactures and no one manufacturer. Is able to reap all of the reward then I mean partly it's just that it's a math game -- like of course Apple make no money for Mac until they the only ones -- -- -- Where like its -- -- make it a little money on Android name Earl is making them them and make them it is more dispersed. And uninteresting updates. -- Apple's money well maybe AT&T many and -- class action lawsuit has been filed against AT&T giving the carrier of measuring data use for the iPhone and iPad. Quotes like a rigged to gas pump. -- that -- that AT&T -- State's web server traffic on the iPhone and iPad by as much as 300%. If they investigate claims that an iPhone user on AT&T'S network -- download -- fifty -- website would actually be charged 53 point five K. A 7% over charts. -- and then they're saying if that data were to be calculated 300% higher which it could be again Catholic there. Yeah that's that it would be it would register as a 150 case -- -- -- that they systematically overstate their web server traffic by between seven and 14%. That -- try and find out you know how your being overcharged when not on independent coal consulting firm. Hired by Patrick Hendricks who basically is filing this complaint he took a new iPhone and he disabled all those kind of background services like. Push notifications location services -- had no email account configured closed all applications. And he said over ten days the phone allegedly. Used about two megs of AT&T data plan. Interesting that -- the lawsuit specifically targets eighteen to at this point does not tart Apple and anyway we'll obviously keep tabs on him. Microsoft -- real quickly before we get to the actual -- -- Microsoft has confirmed that Yahoo! mail as its windows phone seven data leak culprit. There was there were reports the people we're seeing massive data usage on windows phone seven phones Microsoft said. Neither party app and now with it and now unfortunately anything at the inefficiency of synchronization between the windows phone mail client and Yahoo! mail and romantic. Via windows phone seven phone though -- that. Yet there's there's a a variety of steps basically to stop it from downloading new content in the background constantly -- So protect and a it would do that and also quickly FaceBook is apparently planning to launch a third party commenting system. In a matter of weeks according to multiple sources and it would potentially mean that FaceBook is the engine behind the comment system on high profile blogs and other digital publications only that -- even -- company. Again there's nothing wrong that they you know it's like they can parse through all the words and things that people are seen are doing and then. You know mobilize them towards targeted advertising united they would use it and away and -- -- comments -- your comments they don't care there are also some startup that provide commenting technology like that get an echo those agreement can be done for. -- -- And men of weight -- but comments not work patent competitor sites overall and it is definitely there's a lot of questions about -- -- would go also it's not clear how if at all -- but commenting system would deal with. Quoting Carroll immigrant in the news that -- -- the tension between FaceBook insistent that members use their real identity. And the fact that much the comment and taking -- on blogs and other media outlets that still anonymous. We don't have comments on -- videos -- that implements. Its hand maybe it -- made it easier. I -- By it while we -- -- behind today let's get it that aggregate. Apple -- -- apparently relaxing its repair policy for I've. If you got them what. I get there they're they're -- a little easy on you with an internal -- indicate possible water damage not on the iPhone. But they are -- in service providers to make some repairs to those devices and and and while that's governments that this we -- them. Basically also airlines will be offering free in flight. FaceBook this is not why pilots are promotion with go go in -- Internet -- essentially can get access to the basement portal because like we have said. Before for some people FaceBook is the Internet. Com but if you wanna use active services you know detector emails or other web sites then you ought to have to -- -- plan was and is -- just open the gate for FaceBook. You know you can spend hours on FaceBook on a flight easily -- yet itself is -- is the Internet so get ready FaceBook is very. Craziest story over here. Local Linux dot com they studied. Android iPhone iPad Blackberry and windows phone seven apps using their real time -- analytic service -- And it but -- interestingly they found that apparently 26%. Of apps that were downloaded in 2010 were used only one time. Showing you just how competitive that marketed and actually backing up some of the studies we've seen where people's living there's really no -- -- that -- in a deterrent now. Also kind of in the sad news but how the business models change in both -- the online backup service is planning. -- dump their subscription. Service that allowed customers store unlimited data because they realized it wasn't a viable business plan anymore. So as mode looks to customers -- when your time and -- -- did assure there's a high percentage of people letters uploading. Hundreds of gigs of data I would -- and all those pictures all videos I had actually just the back and I haven't backed up. But they'll be charged lean on 599 per month for up that the -- of data. Costing two dollars per month for every twinkies. After that. They're -- kind of a family multi machine plan as well but. The days of unlimited data just. Uploaded one it just doesn't make it. And so so so and Canadian users of mosier pretty much screen. If you're Canadian -- -- and and you're not even get a life -- -- seriously again opt in and life science of the don't know that had been for some ill will on the island ferry. Awesome gadget news. The depending if you -- algae is confirming the optimists 3-D. For the mobile world congress this is a glasses free 3-D screen and camera. On iPhone 3-D camera we got a email from somebody who's who suggest that we should -- these naked eye candy neat -- Island. -- bad -- -- I a community. In Baghdad how can we get the entire and a speaker that we'll I think Apple already patented that probably couldn't get online know that only we're naked I three -- excited so much easier than glasses let the glasses pretty reliable -- -- -- free bullets. -- naked 3-D user we're gonna totally propagate throughout the industry that the -- that is the new term. Think if your editors the coolest thing about the app the cool thing about this on those 3-D dual lens V camera that's I mean taken three pictures on it's it's it's stupid now. So and it went out and -- will also but watch for that coming out of our Barcelona coverage. I. Nine. -- -- -- -- I am just excited about this button that literally have predicted and I have been making -- about essentially were all gonna eat -- meat and meat is gonna be vegetarian answer for it enough. Over at the Medical University of South Carolina Vladimir -- -- -- commuter a couple of -- working on growing meat. And he is one of only a few scientists worldwide involved in bioengineering. Cultured meat. It that it could help solve the global. Featured level food crisis is resulting from shrinking amount of land. Available for you know literally like rethink -- it's just like -- think about it -- is not sustainable. You can't does have that many -- Cali we don't have room for the sustainable population is not sustainable for popular and and it's just not a very efficient way to the people. So so I'm telling you with -- like. Fifty years maybe we're -- gonna be eating like PG -- and then real meat will be at its like art originals super expensive. Like luxury thing. -- out. He said there's a yuck fatter when people buy -- meat is grown a lab notes on how they do this on the journal has taken mile blast embryonic cells -- -- -- -- muscle tissue from Turkey. And he pays them in a nutrient back. A bovine serum on a scaffold -- of I don't know if -- pronounce this right she different type of plan. -- because on Palmer company -- obesity grow the animals' skeletal tissue. But how do you get that you -- -- all the -- the scientists wanna add fat to it and also add a vascular system. The interior cells can receive oxygen -- able enable the growth of state. This you know -- have just been through the muscle tissue. It's not emulate -- feeling of being disgusting but it's really not their growing it they're growing as it adds that it is animal tissue like it's not like it's gonna be that -- perky. Which noted that ever eat dismally Q and blissful thing is exactly what he said -- -- people don't like to associate technology with the -- They really don't and -- -- once we get over that hurdle and we will because he thought that 30% of the Earth's land surface area right now. Is associated with producing animal protein -- -- That's ridiculous. It's just under its pathetically and there's also the cost you know like maintain in the these animals and I mean it console on and the crew after which is -- But then -- was there is there any here. -- bringing any new technology on the market average cost one billion dollars we don't even have one million. We'll get there god they've got along with -- -- select you know this is not like. Really close fifty years -- -- -- is coming -- -- The idea alternately it taste it in that case better and is cheaper than buying -- get you aggregate your chance the palace what you think about it tomorrow. In the it's. I downloaded through these -- not valid -- immediate -- the -- now. In the voicemails -- our caller today and let -- -- out. Kindle I think the the panda birth is but the planning thing. If that's true the line from Iowa I was calling about the guys that that he had 5000 book on Kindle. Ghosting in way it's a conservative estimate of ten dollars per book I -- you're looking at. 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