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Buzz Out Loud: Ep. 1369: If it Biebs, it leads
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Buzz Out Loud: Ep. 1369: If it Biebs, it leads

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Twitter's top trending topics of 2010 sadly didn't include #mollyontopgear, but it's kind of a plus that Justin Bieber was only around No. 8. Also today, the 4Chan kids go crazy on Gawker and you know what? Innocent people are being caught in this hacker-gang crossfire, and it's frankly just not all that funny anymore. (If, um, it ever was.) Also, could Verizon make my universal data plan dreams come true? --Molly

Today is Monday. December 3. And the Gonzales on pretzel time Hollywood -- a buzz out loud is cnet's podcast of indeterminate length it is episode thirteen 160 that -- I feel a lot lighter let me tell -- got an elegant TT tech guys who I let the video removed it's not you streamlined look -- blue super -- -- -- -- Of -- that wouldn't. We don't wear it out like that Elena I don't like you like I don't like like -- -- the but I would compliment you I don't Clinton -- -- did -- and a. -- -- Nowadays -- your entire -- and. If you haven't made it on his -- takes a long -- -- wanna talk about it how long it takes I'm and I believe we think. I -- all that lets you type in -- I think I guess yeah yes and now I'm totally -- they take -- Apple -- new review though he needs you that there and do I have got a big yes -- turned out if you are. Frequent comment -- on gawker and or you worked there. You you probably wanna make some password changes like stacked AS AP -- has been hacked. By a a group that may or may not be related to fortune and they've taken down they take down all the Gawker Media sites over the weekend. And then they published staff passwords and obtained user names -- and passwords for one and a half million users won't. We finally know if you're not sure doctor media has sites like Lifehacker. Goddard is moto doesn't -- to talk to. That's been -- mean -- they have a family of web sites omelet this it kind of it appears again might have originated because there's a little beef. With the -- directly. Where doctor in the -- of their internal conversations they said bring it on the -- and there -- kind of joke -- -- I'm joking behind closed doors PM. The -- -- meteor potentially people associated with them. Allied of that and that's why they believe that this is kind of what they did in response -- it was like tablet or chapel we don't even show like Dallas pertain only if I go I don't -- our timing analysis. I have I've made -- Q you Howard Chan jokes ever and the most important every -- -- just. I mean. There and -- scene but. The thing that's I guess that's -- -- to me it it kind of reminds me it's not the same thing but. The whole point of like the whole Internet now leaking the confidential information you first start with they're not to literally be -- -- -- kiwi thing. And then you have sites like this that are literally feel completely comfortable with exposing. People's passwords that are linked to their account and every -- I don't know if that's oppressed -- -- people are now feeling more comfortable of the idea. And just publishing private information because they can get access to it if they try hard enough well. Also though the idea that if you have some sort of a beef with someone you go EUU. You take you hacked their site -- -- the user names and passwords of their users are coming on an island with it exactly like I don't wanna bring out of -- of portend but at the same time that's not okay. Like that is absolutely. Terroristic behavior that is hitting -- -- -- in the where parents and that's really what they doing there really hidden and users drive innocent by Saturday hurting the users and what the hell is the beef. You know like the holiday made a joke about -- and they said bring it on or who knows what it actually was -- This is I mean. It's been it's an interesting week and it's been inching few months of this because there's been this kind of like. Increasing web Vince vigilante -- sort of movement like operation payback taken on -- -- MPAA. Or. Taking down. Obviously. That going after sites that don't support Wiki leaks you have the Internet going after that woman who -- the cat in -- dumpster at you know and it's it's obviously. It was always gonna go too far. And I think now at the point which -- -- -- they're doing -- data dump of a million and a half user names and passwords of people who just did nothing but visit a website registered comment maybe. May be comment it's just you know what like. That's not at this. If anything reminds us that this is the type of behavior that these guys are doing engaging in so even if there are times -- it appears to be in line with like the common good. The fact is like they're doing it for it it's not it's totally immoral. And it is frequently an especially in this case like. Jerky for lack of a better word but it did continue. The kind of elevate its elevated each time along the way like -- you -- the -- through the cat. Now it's like users that are completely that have nothing to do with this and -- just released their -- mean a lot of people we know everyone says changer -- don't. -- the same pass from different web sites with this list they published on its foreign. David they put it up on torrent sites -- to be easily -- you you could just to take your pick -- -- like a delta try to play this and on Amazon or whatnot and the scope go to talent. Yeah and it landed sort of like it is to be the sort of low level joking around and his -- It's like what used to be low level street crime and now it's turned into gains yeah you know and that's kind of how it feels -- mean literally like. The web or web gang wars in no where somebody through their on time and now that now a million and -- passwords -- online it's like you know what there's nothing cool about this. At all. That being said don't -- -- -- like -- I don't think it had learned. And like all of you sixteen year old -- members send them seriously but I also really. -- until -- -- well somewhere else but from porn like everything like teenagers used to be -- but -- -- -- -- -- -- federal judge on Friday dismissed a patent infringement lawsuit. Filed against the Internet. By Paul Allen and his intellectual property company saying the -- Paul Allen in the cluster that he filed against Apple FaceBook YouTube Yahoo! they -- all -- other companies. -- plaintiff has failed to identify the infringing products or devices with any specificity. And said the courts and defendants are left to guess what devices infringe on the four patents it has almost exactly what Google. That's and thank goodness now to the patents this because -- become breeding like Powell brought these were to the pads -- -- that are making up the bulk of the claims one of almost. It was described as a browser for use in navigating a body of information -- Yeah aim with particular application -- browsing information represented by audio visual data I think everybody and then that I like this one down the second patent. Was literally alerting users to items of current interest strict. -- -- -- Yes I mean it was astonishing and it was so broad and terrifying that it was you know and since it was filed against basically everybody who's doing anything important on the web those like do you mean. -- semester and pop -- you mean like news v.s weigh nearly double that notification yes you are literally mean everything that happens online and by the way why -- these patents ever granted in the first place and how do we keep having to have this conversation how the patent the -- to be like -- look at -- stuff. On electronic -- -- move on with my finger. -- that the thing -- learning this shameful it is shameful that -- house to come to a federal judge being like this lawsuit doesn't say anything. -- all. I don't think so. Analysts at least -- -- right I hate the thing about is what. The internal research group that had the patents was started or funded in 1992 so you think okay think back in 1992. Something like this like. Like that allow you -- -- -- and the current address. -- little big town crier electronic data that prior art electronic. It's an outcry electronic -- I didn't she alienating it looked over the telephone ring no. Enough data out into -- pissed about -- It. But they got error they -- and at least the -- got it right the worst thing is though I think they said that a home they might this pollen might dispute this. I'm gonna try a second time to basically they say if he so Reese amidst now with specific products. That are involved in violating the -- and they can review this but -- idea I hope that even if he does that they're just gonna say sorry next try. -- -- -- Now we'll see the company -- in question by the way it's called interval -- does not necessarily it's not Paul Allen only but he is using an owner of that company. In other patent is apparently at Nortel. Has. What is thought to be an unbelievably valuable library of four G related patents that is is sparking this are threatening to speculative bidding war. Yahoo! right now what it is is that on -- have some to keep hands on technologies like LT and service architecture evolution. Right now the moment researcher motion Nokia Google and Apple. Are beating for their patent -- treasure -- -- patents for. Fourteen LT connectivity because. This that it obviously -- -- the four players right now that are fighting in that space may be able to secured and locked this down. Would give that would give them an added advantage moving forward with some of those technologies. I don't necessarily know once they acquire them they could. Charge the other companies because we don't have a specific layout. Of each of the technologies but that's where it really comes down to. Absolutely unable to beat the other guy into submission with your awesome patent library -- love that lets them but I love it. So good and helpful for innovation. Reached for comment Apple and rim declined to respond. Or declined I think it sounds like they denied it may -- Nokia and Google did not respond. One source that whoever buys these patents is buying a hell of an -- -- yet. Because our system is -- On that note so we take a little -- let's do it what do we come back -- an interview with the new Verizon Wireless box. Hollywood and practically inviting you to join us for the 2010 edition of cnet's holiday help desk that happens every Monday at 1 PM Pacific 4 PM eastern starting November 22. It's where we make you look like a brilliant tech gift giver as we take your live calls and we feel your emails in fact. Why -- you send us an email right now to holiday help desk at cnet.com and along with the rest of cnet's editors will point you to the right product at the right price. Holiday help desk Mondays at 1 PM Pacific time starting November -- seconds at cnet.com slash live. Welcome back about -- everybody -- we're timeout Verizon and -- recently appointed CEO Daniel -- He recently spoke the Wall Street Journal and to -- -- key things came out -- conversations one of them is that. Verizon has not decided at least. If they're going to do an unlimited data plan for consumers in the thirty dollar price point they're they're actually looking -- consider doing -- pricing which. Based on on an excellent proposals from SEC in the net neutrality. On guidelines. Would still be a possibility for wireless for wireless -- all the so they have -- violence isn't there yet but there's still a -- they learned with the idea. We're gonna meet -- -- they are also on their timeout if they would consider a family plan for price family plan pricing. For day and he responded that we should with -- in Texas for the family. I think it's fully in the realm of possibility and not too distant future that they start thinking through options for family get up right now -- pretty sweet. Yeah I would say and the not too distant future should be immediately. And that's definitely you know we've been talking about -- for -- I -- picked out while you journal picking up on my column where I asked about that. Apparently we need shared data plans is ridiculous that you have to pay thirty dollars a month for data plans you know four times over when it's the exact same pipe and so that -- it's. I'm happy to -- to see that they answer back on -- aspect questioned and that he is talking about it he said he would just you describe -- -- account level pricing. And which is -- -- -- -- -- the biggest headlines to come out of that by far I mean it sounds like there. -- definitely testing the waters on metered pricing in and they want to go there. 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