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Ep. 1,327: Where Yahoo and Google are 'Trading Places': The 404

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The 404: Ep. 1,327: Where Yahoo and Google are 'Trading Places'

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A single-serving Tumblr of the most facepalm-inducing Kickstarter campaigns, Yahoo overtakes Google, a resurgence of cassette tapes lead to the first Cassette Store Day next month, and a NY programmer plays "Trading Places" with a homeless man.

-Hey, everyone. It's Thursday, August 22nd, 2013. Thanks for tuning in to today's episode of The 404 Show on CNET.com. My name is Justin Yu. -My name is Richard Peterson. -And me llamo es Bridget Carey. -What's that all about? -My name is. -Okay. Yeah. I took Spanish from High School. -That was incorrect. -Well, you know, this entire week I've been starting these shows by just gushing about you guys. But I'm gonna continue doing that again today. -Are you not tired of us yet? Oh. -No. I'm not tired of it yet. -I thought you're gonna say, but today I'm not going to. -But today is different. No, it's not different at all. Thank you, guys, for joining me this entire week. Let's kick it off again with a good one. It's Richard Peterson on the boards, doing the production work for 404 while Ariel is getting married and we got Bridget Carey in the studio as well, helping us out with the hosting duties and looking up stories and helping us talk about those stories. -Word. -So, thank you so much for coming in, you guys. Richard, gotta give you a special thanks for helping out with your YouTube stream this morning. -Yeah. -It's kinda funky but yeah, you guys don't know how much work goes into putting the stream up in so many different places because we're up on Ustream and YouTube, CNET Live, all that stuff and Richard is the one taking care of that. -Yeah. They switched their interface. They did like a new thing and so it's confusing me and I didn't know how to do it. -Yeah. -But I figured it out, I think. -Yeah, because you're a producer and that's what you got. You're an expert, a professional in your field. So, that's great. -Yeah, I am. I should be paid more. -Well, unfortunately I don't have control over that, otherwise, I'll be paying myself more too. Bridget, what's going on? -Just doing the thing. -Yeah. -I took a lovely walk around New York. I don't do that enough. Now that the weather is nice, -Uh-huh. -last night, I went over on the East side and checked out, I guess, the area where the UN is, -Okay. -and it's funny, we just take some time. Like, I was amazed how old some of these buildings are like they do like castles. -Right. -And like one-- and they have like stained glass, like on this spot on pond which this building was built, there was a German sword of the clan blah blah blah and I'm like, what? -I've never seen that stuff. -Yeah, I've never seen that before either. -It's pretty amazing. Like these places were built in like the '20s. -Uh-hmm. -And they look like Cinderella's castle. Yeah. -Wow. -I mean, on the entrance side, not obviously the actual top. I'm talking like the whole doors being rounded in glass. -Uh-hmm. -And it's just pretty amazing, you know, you could just stop and take a look. -Yeah. -Not everything is cold and concrete. -Yeah, I guess if you're up by the UN building, that's like on 56th, right? -Uh-hmm. -Upon like what, 7th Avenue I want to say, or 6th Avenue. -No, it's on the East side. -That's on the East side? -Like 1st Avenue. -It's on the East side. -Oh, okay. Yeah. Then you were buy Trump Towers, right? -I guess so. -Did you say Trump Towers? That's probably the gaudiest of all of the buildings around that area. -I could pay more attention, see, I'm-- so much to see. I don't get to get it all in you know, just the two years I've been here. -Yeah. That's a very New York thing too. It's just walking around and not paying attention to any of the architecture, just focusing-- -Because you have somewhere to go or somewhere to be, gotta be. -fiercely on where you gotta go, yeah. -But it's just-- and a beautiful, just kinda walk around and go, and we walked down like, what is this building? Like oh, it's a residential area. -Yeah. -Okay. Princesses live here? -Well, glad you're enjoying it because we're gonna have probably 3 or 4 days of fall and then it's gonna start snowing. -Yeah. -Goody. That's it for me. -The weather is great here. So, I wanted to kick off our new segment here with an update to yesterday's stories. Remember we talked about that hacker, -Uh-hmm. -which was actually also an update on a previous story we talked about. This thing keeps going but it was that hacker who posted a bug to Facebook's wall and then yesterday, we talked about Go Fund Me campaign that raised him a crazy amount of money. I think he got a few thousand dollars, I guess. -Yeah. It was something pretty absurd that like the normal reward is 500 bucks. -Right. -And was it something like 10 grand or more than that. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. So, he ended up getting $10,000 that was pulled by the hacker community. -Which is a symbol from everyone going, you know, here's a couple of bucks. I'm proud of you. -Uh-hmm. -But in the end, did they deserve that? -I don't think it did. -Yeah. I'm with you on that. -Yeah. -And you know we talked about a lot of kickstarters that just are funding useless products and why do we crowd fund the stuff? And there's such thing as over funding too. Well, today, I sort of wanted to break it off into a separate segment because of this Tumblr account that I found. It's the single serving Tumblr and it's called yourkickstartersucks.tumblr.com. -That's awesome. -And as the name suggests, it pretty much just points out the most ridiculous kickstarter funding campaigns. And so, I wan to talk about a few of them and Bridget, you pick out a few of your favorites too. -Yeah, yeah. When you told me about the page, I went through it, that's pretty funny. -Yeah. So, I want to talk about a few of them today. The first kickstarter campaign that-- I don't know, this is ridiculous. It's called The GrappL and of course, in internet terms, it leaves out the E in the end. It's just G-R-A-P-P-L. This is a real product and basically, you know, to the video and the description this guy discusses how he was getting really sick or losing his Apple TV remote control. You know, that little like candy bar shaped. -It's a little silver thing. Yeah. -Yeah. It's maybe an inch across. -Yeah. -And a few inches long. But you know, apparently he was having a hard time keeping track of this thing and he was losing it a lot. So, he invested a lot of his own money to make a cradle for the Apple remote called the GrappL. And basically what it is, it's just a piece of-- looks like CNC, like aluminum maybe, and he basically just attached two rubber bands to that and this is a cradle for the Apple remote. -Pretty cradle. -He attached it to a block of, was it wood? -Yeah. So, there are, you know, in true kickstarter fashion, you can invest in different versions of this GrappL as well. So, they have an aluminum version, they also have a wood version as well. -It's just 2 by 4. -It's just-- it's exactly what it is. It's just a piece of metal or wood. Here's the wood version with two rubber bands that look like hair ties around the middle of it. -So, instead of investing in maybe a maid to clean up your place because you can't find your remote, -Right. -just you know, put-- make your remote so giant that like-- -Or even just a bigger remote, you know, just design a separate remote. -Yeah. -But I mean, the problem with Apple TV-- -That will take actual thinking and programming skills you know. -Right, right. Why do that when you can just make a block? Ridiculous. So, here it is. If you wanted to buy it when-- during the time of the campaign, you'd have to spend $20 to get your own investment. Unfortunately, they needed $2,000. At 27 days to go, there only had $176 with 5 backers. So, you can invest in this right now if you want. -I think what these backers must be is grandma, who feels pity on over something. -Yeah. -Why don't you just pay like 50 cents for a piece of Velcro to put on the back and stick it somewhere? -Or like, yeah, exactly, or a piece of tape, like a piece of yellow tape to keep you from losing it or something. -Yeah. -Oh, it's ridiculous. Also-- -Or clean your apartment. -Yeah, exactly. That's free. The funny thing is that you can also invest an extra $15 bumping up to $35 and just buy the Chromecast. Right? And you wouldn't need Apple TV at all. -I need the gold version. I'll hold out for that. There's another one here. A watermelon-- I'm laughing so much, I can't even pronounce my word. -This is crazy. -Watermelon strap holder, because you never have to worry about dropping your watermelon again. Watermelon straps. It basically is just some material wrapped around one side of the watermelon-- -Right. -with the handle and you know, there's so many people who are dropping their watermelons. This person needs $25,000 to produce it. -Yeah. And then it has a handle on the other side of it too. -Yeah. You know, I think his customer base is 1 person, Gallagher. -Yeah. Exactly. -That's about it. -Who cares more than one watermelon round with them, right? -Right. I mean, usually, a watermelon isn't too handy. They got this, that's about it. -Yeah. -You know, not like, what was that old meme? I have too many limes or too many oranges. -Yeah. -The guy is like, too many watermelons, at least, now you have a holder. -Someone out there that's been carrying 4 watermelons around is like, yes, finally. -Finally. -It's about time. -They should have done an infomercial style thing where it's just like, they drop it all over the-- -Yeah. Just a guy joggling watermelons. -Like, whoa, whoa. -Black and-- yeah, it's in black and white. Hate when you make a mess with your watermelon. This is actually not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea but it's not something that people should have to pay for. It's something that the grocery stores should be giving away for free. -Yeah. -Like those twist ties that you get. -No, no. The reusable bags are bag already. He's making something that you can never use again in any way. -Yeah. -And it's just a plate upon our garbage system. -Right. -This is just-- put it in a bag with handles. Any tote bag would work. -Yeah. -This is very funny. This is like a tote bag without being able to hold anything else. -Right, yeah, yeah. You can't stock it at all. This is great. And I love how there's only 8 backers and I guarantee you, 8 of those backers are all family members of this kickstarter. -A $25,000. -What's the goal? -The goal is $25,000. How many of these bags does he plan and manufacture? -Yeah. -This is the finest bag material there is. -Twenty-five thousand dollars. -Woven from the tears of-- -Oh, my God. It's crazy. So, this next one is really ridiculous. This is a guy who-- -Oh, my. -Yeah. Oh, my, indeed. This is a guy who dares to ask the question, "What would happen if we took the turtle out of Ninja Turtles and made a photography set out of it?" So, this is a professional photographer who normally shoots auto sports in California but he's such a big Ninja Turtles fan that he wants to know what the Ninja Turtles would look like if we used humans instead of turtles. -So-- -So, just Ninjas. -Yeah. -So, teenage ninjas with painted face masks. -Yeah. That's basically what I want to see. -Yeah, it's just muscled guys with face masks. -Right. -And they're not teens, by the way, those are, yeah, those are older gentlemen. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I mean-- -These are older guys definitely. -Yeah. They're like in their 20's, yes. -Yeah. -Oh, my-- yeah, there's no mutant. -Uh-hmm. -There's no turtle. It's just hot guys. -This guy just wants to take photos of naked guys. -Hot guys in colorful masks. -Yeah. -Yeah. I support that. -Yeah, yes, you are the first one. -Cowabunga! -Those mutant abs and like-- -Yeah, Jesus. -Pizza time. -That's really [unk] and that stuff. So, this is the first start. -I want to see Splinter like a crotchety old man and Shredder would be shredded in his abs of course. -Yeah. -Of course. Oh, that's good. So, they started off by just doing the turtles but they're also planning on doing April O'Neil, that's some hot chick, which I can see as being kind of lucrative. -She's half naked. You cannot report the news half naked. -Uh-hmm. Yeah, that'd probably be a problem. Bebop and Rocksteady look kinda gross here. They kind of have like, some proof of concepts about the characters they want to use. The Bebop character is usually the rhino, right? With like the army gear on and the fatigues. This is just some random Venice Beach muscleman that's like in a pair of exercise shorts and a leather strap across his chest. That doesn't look anything like the original. -They're like-- they just find someone without even dressing them up to prove we're gonna use your money wisely. -Yeah. -And the point that we're making fun of this is that they're just not putting in effort to show why you should give them the money. -No. -You're just basically going to guys who have interesting face and their good body and they're like-- -Yeah. -let's make a movie with guys and their hot bods which-- -Right. -What are they gonna do with it? Is it just like a photo shoot? -Yeah. It's a photo shoot and they're gonna make posters out of them. So, that's where all your money is going to. -Posters. -So, if you donate like $25 or more, you're gonna get a free poster sent to you. Right? But the problem with kickstarters and this is the largest story about all these kickstarter campaigns is that there's no guarantee that you'll actually get the product once you funded it, right? -No. -That's true. -If you dig deep into kickstarters' FAQs, they tell you there's no guarantee, you don't have to sign an agreement or anything if you start a kickstarter campaign. You don't have to do anything to make sure that you put a product into their hands. -This is a donation. -That's the bad part. Yeah, exactly. -You are saying, I have faith in you that I wanna see your dreams come true. -Uh-huh. -If they don't deliver, you have no rights to do anything with it. You just give your money away. -And yeah, and we've also seen time after time that these successful campaigns, a lot of times they can't make it through the product cycle, they don't have the manufacturing setup for that foundation. And so they end up just pocketing the money because they don't have to do what they say. -And these people-- -Once it's a successful funded campaign, it's just money in the bank for them. -And these people don't have to have business sense. -Right. -You know, there's no requirement to even getting on kickstarter as what's clearly apparent-- -Right. -by looking at some of these. -Right. -So, exactly. People have good intentions but okay, a poster set? How about a coffee book table? And put that in comic book stores and I bet you that, that's a better business model that people would buy. -Nice. Right. -Especially on like you know, giving it to your girlfriend on their bashment party, you know. -Yeah. -Forget the firemen, give me that for a calendar. -Right. -Yeah. I think that'd be a good calender actually. -Yeah. Would you invest in a calendar like this? -I like that actually. I could see you buy own kickstarter. -If they set up different scenes. -Just naked dudes calendar. -Yeah. -People would definitely buy that. -True. -There's no shortage of that in this world. But no, you're right. You're right, Bridget. It's really just-- yeah, I feel like people think of kickstarter as a store and it's really not. -Yeah. -It's really just handouts. -Uh-hmm. -Right? -Yeah. -Like people are just asking for money and a lot of times it just doesn't happen. -I mean, there are times when it looks like they have their act together that you might have a better chance of actually seeing it become a reality, -Right. -but even with these tech products that look like and how they act together, -Yeah. -they just might hire great graphic designer to make a good video. -Yeah. -It doesn't even mean you're still gonna see it. -Yeah. It's just marketing. A lot of times it seems like a lot of people just put all their money into making a snazzy viral video for it and then you know, there's no guarantee that they're gonna have all the manufacturers to come through afterward. It's really crazy. -A lot of times you forget about it too because if you're funding a film or something, it could be a couple of years later before they actually finish the film. -Right. That's a great point. -And like I've forgotten about a couple of things that I funded. -Yeah. Not to mention, I mean, even with the product, a base kickstarters like the Pebble for example, I feel like 75% of the-- that campaigns that I've seen are always delayed. -Yeah. -You know, it's always like, oh, well, we said it was gonna get delivered in 6 months but now, because we don't have the process setup, I'm gonna push it back to a year, a year and a half or something. -There's some [unk] here where you have to swear that they know it's a scam and they're just trying to just see if they can get a way with it. -Yeah. -There's one on here called Paris & Rome: Through the Eyes of a Teenager. Please give me money to show photos of what teenagers see when they go to Rome on a trip. -He's just planning a vacation. -And she wants $5,000 and the worst part of it is, she didn't put the effort to show what her photos would be like. So, she just like stole something off the internet from a professional photographer of the Eiffel Tower and said, this is one of my [unk]. -Yeah. -And-- I mean, she just basically wants to go to Europe but she calls it-- -Crazy. -a photo book to show what I see when I travel. -No one gives a shit. -Does a teenager see something different than [unk]? -Yeah. -And I wanna see, is it slightly like an in shorter, like what everyone else sees? -Yeah. -Oh, man. This is the worst. -And you know that she just like, I bet you people will do it because, I mean, if you put something on here, that is just the most ridiculous fake product. -Yeah. -I mean, I guess I wouldn't because of ethics and having a heart, -Yeah. -but in no time, I bet there'll be people who go sure and just give me money for it. -You know, maybe if she wanted $500, because that wouldn't pay for the flight, so that way we know that she's not using the money to fund her trip, right? It's all for photography. -I don't even know if she's a photo student. I don't even know what her photos look like. -But she wants $5,000. -What camera is she using? -Yeah and it looks like she's gonna buy, use that money to buy a digital camera. -Yeah. -And then print up the photos afterward and then bind them into a book. It's just ridiculous and maybe some of that money will go into her hotel fees too. -Yeah. -And some room service following that. -Yeah, that-- like at least put some effort if you're gonna scam the world, honey. -Yeah. -I think we should come up with a crazy kickstarter just for an experiment. -Yeah. -See how much money we get. -That's not a bad idea. -Let's come up with some weird product. -Uh-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's not a bad. If you guys have an idea for what our kickstarter campaign should be, just try to fund the show, send us a million times but we should just do it. But if you guys have a creative idea, maybe e-mail us the404@cnet.com. All right. So, just moving along here. I wanna talk about Yahoo really quick and it's kind of a short story but-- -Yahoo. -This is interesting. For the first time in five years, -Beautiful. -Google has finally been toppled as the number one ISP with the most internet traffic. Right? So, since 2007. -Toppled by CNET maybe. -In 2000-- yeah, exactly. No, I wish. Right. It was toppled by Yahoo. This is really crazy. So, since 2008, Google has been on top but comScore just released their annual report on the top 50 U.S. internet properties and Yahoo is finally the top dog in July with 196 million visits compared to Google lagging slightly behind. -There are some things I didn't measure. -Yeah. -Like mobile. -Oh, right, like mobile. -I'm telling you, when those broader numbers come out, -Right. -You know, enjoy it while it last, Yahoo, because when it comes to mobile, -Right. -Google is gonna have everyone beaten as usual. -And this is also for all of Yahoo's properties and Google's properties, right? So, Google has definitely still dominated in terms of search. -Uh-hmm. -So, Yahoo's homepage has gone really popular but their search-- -The ad at Tumblr-- -is clearly better. -but the whole Tumblr question is they're not being very clear how much they're counting up Tumblr but there is like an asterisk by it, -Right. -saying like, some of it is counting towards Yahoo. -Uh-hmm. -So, you know, it's-- maybe it's a clever game of number crunching. -Yeah, yeah. -You know what's funny is, we test a lot of out of the box desktops and laptops in the office and I noticed that when you fire up Internet Explorer on those devices, the homepage is always Microsoft Bing but a lot of times it's also Yahoo as well. So, I'm not sure what the licenses there are for what they ship with. -Yeah. -You know, because you could set whatever you want for that homepage button but I don't know if someone is doing some of the various stuff behind the scenes, setting each browser to Yahoo before they ship it out. -Yahoo has also been in the news lately. People have it on their mind more. We weren't talking about Yahoo a year ago, now we are. -Right. Yeah. Yeah, Yahoo has actually gotten pretty big in the past year. They've done a lot to revamp their service after getting a new CEO. I remember, I don't know if you guys are big Flickr users but this past March they revamped their entire website and they made a lot more social friendly and now you also get one terabyte of space. So, I personally have been using a lot, using Flickr a lot to store my photos instead of something like imager for example and just hiding it from everyone else. -And they had something where like you can go in if you ignored your e-mail. You can steal someone, you know, with-- -Yeah. -[unk] ignore their e-mail, you can get their username. Maybe there's a rush of people who go, my Yahoomail, almost running back and get it. -Yeah. -I doubt that but-- -Yeah. It's funny. -I mean, but they're doing a lot of stuff lately. So, something's working. -Yeah. Do you guys do use any of other Yahoo properties like Yahoomail for example or News? -No. -I guess not a lot of people do. -I have a Yahoo account but I haven't used them like 5 years. -Yeah? You still own it? -Yeah. -That's funny. I actually use-- I use Yahoo News for a lot of the stories that we source on The 404 to populate the rundown everyday. -Uh-hmm. -I like it because like Google News, Yahoo just aggregates a bunch of different wires. So, like Reuters, AP, those types of news wires, and they actually have a curated set of editors that help to filter out stories so that you don't get duplicates. -Uh-hmm. -And I think that's a big problem with RSS feeds and Twitter, is that, you know, you'll see multiple headlines for the same news story. It's like, man, you have already read this. I'm not sure that, you know, whoever else, like Gizmodo or Verge is gonna give me a separate take on it. -Uh-hmm. -But what's great about Yahoo is that they'll eliminate those duplicates for you. So, that's another boon for Yahoo News. -Yeah. I'm nothing against Yahoo. I'll read up on their news but they have so many kind of products that I guess it's about making myself getting the habit of changing how I take photos or save them. -Right. -And it's kinda worth looking into the Flickr. -Uh-hmm. Yeah, once you get into a work flow, it's kind of hard to separate yourself in silos, right? So, if you already have Picasa, for example, then you're gonna use other Google properties or if you have Google Mail then you're gonna use Google Calendar. You always sort of dedicate it to one brand, right? -Or just, you know, too lazy to learn another. -Yeah. -That's it too. Maybe not too much brand loyalty which is laziness, right? -Yeah. -I have enough going on, it's like all right, there's a lot of things to learn out there. Some are great but sometimes when you hear about good improvements, -Yeah. -it's worth it, especially they'll have free storage. -Yeah. It's also good to know that companies can come back from being the underdog. You know, I think if 5 years ago we were to talk about the story and someone came from the future and told us, Yahoo is gonna be, you know, number one in July of 2013. -I have to tell you about the future. -Yeah. -You have to invest in Yahoo. -You can-- -Yeah, exactly. -I don't know if that's the message to them or anyone. -Yeah. He would have been like, get out of here dog, something is wrong with the time machine. The DeLorean has messed up. But yeah, it's an awesome story because it's possible for companies to come back from behind and get that number one spot again. Maybe there's room for another social network to come back on top. Like MySpace or Live Journal or something like that. It gives hope for the little people. -Oh, Live Journal. -Right? -I was just talking about Neopets the other day. Do you guys have a Neopet? -What the heck means is that? -It's still around too. It's just a virtual pet. -Like a Tamagotchi? -But more like in terms of Sims without the animation. Like I'm gonna take care of it and it's gonna play with other people online. -Uh-huh. -So, it's just an online thing. -Yeah. -Okay. So, that's like Farmville, before Farmville, and online. -That's so much more advanced than what Neopets were, you know. -All right. -And the amazing part is, is that you have these things like 10 years ago, what was I doing as a kid. And you go in this website like, oh, that's what it is now. Like it's amazing [unk] that 10 years later they just evolve or they're still the same. I think Neopets now has like a million other things kids can buy, -Yeah. -and there's stuffed animals that are tied with it. I'm like, oh, wow, I thought that just fell off the face of the earth. -Yeah. -There is a site I used to go to called Kiwibox when I was really young and it was like, it's a forum for like kids to chat and there's like little stories about, you know, cool things you can do for crafts and now it's like dating for teenagers. I'm like, oh, my God. -Oh, Jeez. -What happened? -What happened to like feeding your dog, your virtual dog? -Yeah. -I remember looking at those Tamagotchis and thinking that it was so cool how it would mvoe on the screen and stuff. -Uh-hmm. -But now, if you go back and look at them, I bet it would be ridiculous. They're like-- -They have an app. -Yeah, it's like-- it's a-- -Tamagotchi is now on the iPhone and it was ridiculous. I was like, oh, let me play. -Yeah. -I think this isn't-- -No, I mean like, the old key chain ones. -Uh-hmm. -Yeah. -You know, if someone still have that and you re-serviced it, it's probably like 5 LCD pixels that are put together to make it look like a dog or like an elephant but there's no way to distinguish. It's like 4 legs and a tail basically. -Yeah, I never understood what the appeal was of those things. -Yeah and they like barely moved. -Yeah. -Oh, man. I never had one myself. -I never had one. I know everyone around me did. -Yeah. -I kinda said, oh, that's nice. -Yeah. -And then I-- because I missed that I download the app and I was like, nope, I didn't miss out on anything. -That's funny. -Did you guys ever have your own website like on GeoCities or Angelfire? -No. I never had like an amateur website. -I did. -I did and it was always under construction. -Yeah. -Yeah. -I had a couple ones based off the AOL. What do they call it? Like home something and it was a hotdog maker or something. I kept-- -What was the theme of your websites? -I think I never went through with any of my goals. I was just kinda like, I'm gonna put cool pictures of Sailor Moon here. -Yeah, Sailor Moon. -I never really had like a goal. -Right. -So like, I'm totally gonna like make this like a fun place for all my nerdom. -Yeah. -Yeah. -And I was gonna steal gifts from the internet and put them on here. Well, that's what we do. Now, it's like Tumblr. -See, that's like Pinterest. Yeah, that's exactly like Pinterest or Tumblr. Yeah. Move board. -We were-- that's why these things were invented. -Yeah. -We just wanted a place to put our pictures. -Yeah. -What about you, Richard? What was your website? -I have a lot of goofy pictures that I had Photoshopped. -What? Are there your friends or yourself? -No. I would get like-- because I was in like this class in high school where we were learning Photoshop and we had like all this clipart and like different photos that we could use. -Yeah. -And so I would just put them all together and just make goofy pictures. I had like this picture of a pool with like a rhino walking on the side and this weird lady standing there. That's awesome. -So funny. Did you advertise it to your friends and stuff? How much traffic did you get? -Yeah. Like-- I didn't get a ton of traffic but I don't know, yeah, my friends. -Yeah. -I did actually publish a website for a class project, this extra credit. I went above and beyond. I was the kid everyone hated. -Uh-huh. -And it was just a basic high school Economics class where it was like start of business and write a business plan. -Uh-huh. -And we like made a commercial and I made a basic website and it was a video game store called Sailor Pluto's Time Warp. -Oh, my God. -I like [unk] on and there was splash pages as well come enter the Time Warp and I'm like stealing all these images from the internet and they're like, "You know, this wasn't part of the assignment." I'm like, "I just wanted to do it." -An over-- classic over achiever. -I want all my video game dreams to come true. -Oh, my God. You guys are such nerds. -Oh, I just remember one of the pictures I had was a horse with human legs. It was so awesome. -Like an Animorph. -Yeah. -Animorph. -So, those are the kind of Photoshops I did. They were good too. -Somewhere online they still exist. -They probably do. -Yeah, you need to go to that way back machine in archive and check it out. -Yeah. -I bet they're still there. I remember my friend had a Newsies fansite that he created on GeoCities and I contributed some fan fiction to that website, -Newsies fan-- -because I was really into Newsies when I was a kid. You guys have watched that movie, right? -Yeah. -That Disney movie from the '90s. Great movie. -It's good. -But anyways, I was-- all my friends were really into it. So, we just have this Newsies for all week and my friend had-- -Which one are you? -I was Spot, Spot Collins. You had like the sling shot and I used to like write and fiction about this character. Anyway, if you could probably find that online too, although I did use a surname, so good luck with that. -Have you seen it on Broadway? Newsies? It's good. -I have not but Stacie Bakalar was telling me about it when she's here last time. She really liked it. So, you saw it. Was it good? -Yeah, it was good. They changed the story a little bit but it was still really good. -Yeah. -Are the songs the same? -Yeah. They have a couple of new songs as well but they have a lot of the same songs. -Nice. Like I have to check that out. Oh, kind of a relic of my past I wanna forget. But speaking of the past, let's talk about another thing that we all used to enjoy. Cassette tapes. -Oh, yes. -So, a couple of weeks ago, we talked about how vinyl sales have gotten a huge boost over the past few years and in fact, in the first half of 2013, they've actually seen their highest growth of sales up 33.5% in the past 15 years. So, it's the highest it's been in the past 15 years. -Well, when you go to Hot Topic, they have a whole section for vinyls. -Yeah, it's incredible and if-- there's a lot of new independent record stores coming up, a lot of buying and trading going on online-- -Uh-hmm. -that's been boosting sales. So, it's really no surprise that we're starting to see resurgence and other sort of antique media formats like cassette tapes. And I follow this Instagram called TapeNerds and it's really cool. If you guys are into like old punk rock from the '80s and '90s, they actually just excavate like old tower records and virgin records and stuff like that. All the record stores to find this very rare, like new in the box tapes that still have the wrapping on them. It's really cool. So, they post photos of that. And in fact, next month, and this is the big story that I wanted to talk about. There's gonna be the first Cassette Store Day. So, Record Store Day happens every year. I'm not sure what the exact date is but next month, in September, they're gonna have the first Cassette Store Day. -What does that mean? -Well, if you go into a lot of record stores, they're gonna give away free cassettes, they'll have cassette displays where they just put in their favorite, you know, like singles and-- -There's not that many to give away, I mean, there's not that-- I don't know. -Yeah. -Like item of surprise but there's even a supply still around. -Yeah. Well, you know, clearly a big part of like a cassette tape coachers, mixed tapes right? -Uh-hmm. -And so, a lot of what Cassette Tape Day will be is like exchanging different mixes and stuff. -Oh, yeah, I have plenty of mixed tapes. -Yeah. -I even-- actually, first month of dating my now fiance, he gave me a cassette mixed tape. -Yeah. -And this was only 3 years ago and I'm going, "Oh, my God. This is adorable." He like hides it and I find it and I'm like, "But where am I gonna play it on?" -Yeah. -I have to know what's on this. And they searched the house and I didn't have any cassette tape player but I remembered, oh, I have my Talkboy. -Yes. -That was from Home Alone 2. -Yes. You just-- wait. What-- wow. These moments are why I love you. -Do you remember the commercial for the Talkboy [unk]? -Yes, yes. -Hi, kids. I'm home early. It's-- for those that don't know, it was just a basic voice recorder but it gets to slow down and speed up. -Right. -And so it was great for kids to pretend there are spy and like-- -Yeah, and Kevin McCallister used it in the movie to sort of trick hi family into thinking that he was home. -Right. Exactly and-- -Fool the criminals. -And they sold the one that was in the movie and it was a big thing. So, my brother and I both had one and it works. I had to like make sure all the corroded batteries were gone. -Oh, my-- I think it's awesome that, you know, I think most people would probably have a Walkman or some kind of tape player in their house. -I didn't have one. -But the closest thing you had was a Talkboy. Oh, that's amazing. -I think by then my Walkman just needed to be tossed out. I had a CD player. I upgraded but I don't wanna get rid of my Talkboy FX Plus. -Do they even have a headphone jack on it? -Yeah. -Or do you play it out of the speaker? -Oh, you could play it on speaker but I think there was a headphone jack. -Oh, that's incredible. -Yeah. -And it had the huge microphone that stuck out of the side of it too. -It's extended. Yeah. -Yeah and there was a strap or something that you put your hand into. It was probably the size of an old school video tape recorder. -No, it wasn't that big. -Like video recorder that you actually had to put the entire tape into, it was like around that size. -It's about the size of today's video recorders. -Yeah. Ridiculous. Oh, that's great. -How did he record it? -Oh, yeah. He is a music, you know, guy and he just had like some equipment around, you know. -Okay. -So, yeah, he had all the equipment around. -Right. -But-- -Yeah, it's funny. I'm actually dealing with that same sort of conundrum right now. So, I have a little brother who's 11 years old right now and I was talking to him about what kind of music he listens to and he's into like Bruno Mars and sort of like top 4 is Lady Gaga stuff. But you know, I feel like as the older brother, I should be the one to be introducing him to stuff that's maybe not on the radio. -Right. -Like stuff that preceded his time, you know, like '90s, '70s, '60s, stuff like that. -So, the '60s, '70s, and today. -Yeah, you know, like really introducing him to cooler music. -You are-- -But you know, I think it's kinda lame. -You're the easy listening radio for him probably. -Yeah. You know, some kind of alternative stuff. Maybe introduce him to punk and things. It's about that time and I wish I had someone to introduce me to that stuff when I was a kid. So, I'm really excited about it but I feel like it'd be kinda lame to just send him a USB key in the mail because he does have an iPhone, so he can listen to MP3s. But I want something a little bit more tangible and I was thinking, maybe I should send him my cassette tape or like an actual CD and he could burn that. I'm not sure. I kinda want your ideas. -Or like a Spotify playlist. -Yeah but I want something that he can hold onto. You know what I mean? Like a physical memory that he can store in like a shoebox or something. -Uh-huh. -Because I wanna continue sending him tapes, you know, and I don't want it just to be like a folder that he dumps all this music into. I want it to be a real memory. -Well, CDs are still something. -Yeah. -Yeah, yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah, I think that's a good idea. -But I would do a data CD obviously. -Right. Maybe-- well, I kinda wanted to do like an audio CD so that way it could be like a very curated, like 13 track list. -Okay. -And then a CD is good too because then you can add art too, right? -Right. -I can then create like different album arts for the various mixes I make him. -And it would be easier for him to look up those songs on iTunes or whatever, like if you just send a cassette tape, it would be hard for him to find-- -Yeah. -what names of the songs are and that kind of stuff. -Yeah, yeah. There's a lot to think about. I was thinking about whether to maybe make him a mix CD or tape versus burning full albums. You know what I mean? Like what do you think kids have in terms of an attention span like-- -I think a mixed tape would be better. -Right. Yeah. So, that way he can sort of cherry pick, oh, I like this band, so I'm gonna look into it more. -Yeah. -Yeah, that's a good idea. So, maybe I'll do that. -Uh-hmm. -Because I was thinking about sending him a Walkman with a tape, and I was like, "Man, this kid is gonna get beaten up." -Yeah. -And I don't wanna beat the past for that. -No. I don't know about that. I mean, all of a sudden you're like, have some like, you know, it was kind of I guess hipster in a way, you know. -Sort of, yeah. -Yeah, I was just kinda like, yeah, I just got this whole thing, they're like, "Oh, wow. That's crazy." I think it's-- -Oh, you guys don't know about cassette tapes? -I think it's so a couple of steps back that it's just being different. -Right. -Because you know what, if you have to sit on your computer to listen to the music on audio CD, I don't know if he's got a CD player. See, those were all the questions. -Well, he has a computer, so he can play-- -Yeah, I guess he could, you know, do that way. -Uh-hmm. Chat room is suggesting that I get a minidisk player and do it that way because it's kind of a mix of old and new. That's actually not a bad idea either. I used to have a minidisk player when I was in high school. -Oh, man. -I remember thinking it was so ridiculous that you couldn't transfer it at high speeds. So, if you wanted to record to a minidisk like off the radio or from a CD player, you had to record it Real Time. So, I think the minidisk used to hold like 80 or 85 minutes of time. So, it would take 85 minutes to fill up that whole minidisk. Ridiculous. -But like making a cassette tape took time. -Yeah. -I had to sit by that radio. -It was an analog transfer. -And I will just wait, and I will just wait for that song to come on and then at that obviously like [unk] jumping across the room to hit the record button. -Right. -And so I like I missed a few seconds at the beginning or at the end it will have like a little bit of someone talking from the DJ. -Uh-hmm. -But that was real. -Yeah. -I actually used to make-- means it's how bored I was in the summer. -Okay. -Music video mixed tapes, it's by VHS. -Ooh. -I would sit there with like MTV and VH1. -Interesting. -And so I have a couple of music video mixed tapes. -Cool. -And these are all just for yourself. -Yeah. -Like you could watch them later on. -Yeah. -Wow, that's awesome. -But I better transfer them soon because you know, time goes by, these tapes you know, they kind of lose their quality. -Yeah. Do you remember what music videos were on the tapes? -I'm a B, I'm a mother, I'm a child. Or like Smashing Pumpkins' Tonight Tonight. It's about-- it was the '90s in there. So, yeah. -Right. Yeah, you have like Simon Rex or something in there doing VJ work right before the video started too? Oh, that's amazing. -Yeah. So, it was yeah. That was Carson Daly didn't have a speaking role. He would just like, in the morning he had some show, it was like, like at 6:00 AM. I get up early when they-- they just play music videos in the morning-- -Wow. -without any stupid DJs talking. -This is pre-TRL you're talking about. -Yeah. Right, right, right. Pre-TRL. That's what he did before he got his job. Yeah. -You are so old. I'm just kidding. I'm older than you. Oh, that's awesome. So, that's cassette tape coacher. Go and check out-- we'll post a link to it in the blog today if you wanna find out where the nearest record store around you will be celebrating Cassette Tape Day. That's next month in September. Last story of the day, you know, I wanted to talk about this because it's kind of a terrible story and it makes me feel awful about humanity, but maybe you guys can make me feel a little better about it. So, anyone that lives in a metropolitan area like we do, right? Is used to homeless people just being around. -It's still jarring but you're used to. -Yeah. -You've seen terrible things, yeah. -Yeah, you sort of numb to it after a while and it's sort of a sad thing, you know, itself that you know, it's sort of easier to like step over these people or ignore them. -Well, if you live-- I mean, when I first got here, it got to me but then I realized you have to move on with your life or it will always just, you know, there's only so much you can do in your energy, you know, thinking about it. -Right. Yeah. I would definitely say that there are a lot more homeless people that I've noticed in San Francisco versus New York. -Oh, really? -Yeah, I definitely noticed many in the city but anyway, you know, you can either go one of two ways on it. You can either be irritated or ignore them or you can actually help them out. But it turns out there's actually a third way to respond to a homeless person asking for change. And there's a software programmer in New York named Patrick McConlogue, who wrote a blog on Medium. Medium is sort of like a new way to blog about long form subjects online and he sort of wrote a Medium article about his fascination with homeless people in New York. And this guy is a young entrepreneur and he started a business in New York during the recession. And so, he's sort of taking it upon himself to help out one homeless guy that he sees on his way to work everyday. This guy lives on Hudson Street and he passes him every single morning, he's sort of a young guy. And so, this is what he decided to do, this is his project and I wanna know what your guys' take on this. He decided that today, because he wrote this blog yesterday, he said, "Today, I'm going to go to this homeless guy. I'm gonna give him a proposition. I'm gonna say either one, I will come back and give you $100 in cash." This was yesterday. So, this is gonna happen today. -Uh-hmm. -"I'm gonna give you $100 in cash. You can either take it or the second option is, I can come back tomorrow and I can give you three JavaScript books-- JavaScript being a programming language. I'll also give you a super cheap basic laptop and then I'm gonna come an hour early from work each day when you feel prepared and I'm gonna teach you how to code using the laptop and the books that I've provided." So, it's sort of like the teach a man to fish cliché. -Yeah. Interesting. -But that's-- it's such a leader's backward way of thinking about it. -Yeah. -How about the food and the shower and the shelter-- -Yeah. -before caring about you know, and if-then statement? -Yeah. This is your-- I'm totally with you on this, by the way, and I feel like everybody else on the internet is, and it's sort of it's catching fire on the internet right now. People are shaking their heads. -I get the point. You wanna help someone really jump-start their life with a job. -Right. -That in San Francisco you could be a coder or something basic. -Right. -But first off, just having the computer alone is actually more helpful than learning to code because he can now job hunt and he could find any sources. -Right. -Right. But this-- -So-- -But I would also argue that where is gonna charge this laptop, right? The laptop is gonna go out of-- get out of batteries in a day, right? How is he gonna protect the laptop from getting stolen, right, by other homeless people? -He's-- yeah. -And then what's to prevent him from just taking those books and the laptop and selling it himself and then moving spots? -Well-- -You know, he doesn't live on Hudson. -It's such a-- it's being too simple about the problem because sometimes, there are so much depth to why someone is on the street. -Right. -And that they didn't have someone in their family to help them, -Exactly. -and that they maybe have a mental illness that you're not aware of. -There's a story to each homeless person. -Yes. There is more than just I couldn't find a job. -Right. -It's sometimes a so much deeper and a lot of times there are mental health issues involved too. -Right. -So, as this guy comes off as just very assuming and pompous to be like, I'll give you-- -I agree. -Like, how-- sometimes you just need something basic, you know. -How about just talking to him? -Yeah. -You know, like let's talk about basic human rights. How about just talking to him for a while, getting to know who this guy is, finding out what his skills are and what his job was before he lost it and became homeless, and then really guiding him through the process of finding a job, right? If this guy is really that philanthropic, take the money you would spend on that basic laptop, maybe what, 500, 600 bucks, and the money you spend on those books. Get him a hotel room, a shave, some clothes, and then maybe help him out with some job placement. -Yeah. -That seems like the most logical way to do it. -You know, there was something when I went to South by Southwest in a year ago or so. -Yeah. -Oh, this was the worst. -I saw it, where-- maybe to a double-take, there were some people who-- -Yeah. -who were, I guess, you know, kinda scraggly wearing these t-shirts, -Yup. -asked me about my WiFi. -Right. -I am a mobile hotspot and I kinda-- so many stunts going on at South by, that you just kinda go, oh, what is-- I don't know. -Right. -And I walked by but it ends up that this company paid homeless people-- -Uh-hmm. -to be portable hotspots. -To carry a WiFi hotspot around. -Right. Exactly. They're carrying a hotspot and they put a t-shirt on with the company's name. -Right. -And on one hand you first go, well, it's a job, -Uh-hmm. -but it also is a little bit demeaning. -Oh, hugely demeaning. -And people really got worked up over like, "Is this what you do, just to stand out?" -Right. -So, I didn't wanna criticize at the moment because I didn't know to what degree they were getting paid. -Right. -I didn't know to what kind of food they were getting. -Very debasing, though. -Yeah, but the whole concept is like you're-- and then I saw this a couple of weeks ago, the whole-- or maybe a couple of days ago. I don't know how long ago it was. -Uh-huh. -But the people making fancy signs for the homeless. -Oh, yes, yes. That's another story I wanted to get into. Yeah. -It was like some graphic designs like, hey, I bet you and all those homeless cardboard signs that say, "Please help. I'm hungry." -Right. -If we made them like 1950's billboard style, like awesome you know, cool fonts, people will give them more money. What are-- and now these poor homeless people are doing before and after pictures, -Right. -holding their amazing blue and red signs. -That's ridiculous. Right. -Rather than-- and they're still hungry and tired-- -Right. -and homeless. -Yeah. -And so, with just amazing signs. I don't know if that helps them. -The deal with-- I kind of supported that project. I mean, yeah, it can definitely seem sort of inhumane, right? And there are definitely other options you can go to for avenues to help these homeless people. But for those two artists, I like what they did because they accepted volunteers for this program and so people had to sign up for it. And then after the interview was over and the sign was completed, the two artists actually gave the homeless people $40 each. -Uh-hmm. -So, you know, they were sort of helping them out monetarily while also improving their situation with a sign. I agree though. You know, like it does seem like there's so much-- so many other things you can do for them. -All these people, you know, who have this tech mind go, I'll think of some way to use them, how about putting on all this effort you have into making an app-- -Yeah, homeless people donate technology. -into making something where like you have a project to help them, you know, have a housing situation to get them back on their feet in a training program? -Right. -The other day, Mark Zuckerberg was talking about how there's 5 billion people in the world without internet. I know. I'll give them internet. I think a lot of them have more bigger issues than getting online, like maybe being able to eat everyday. -Right. -Yeah. -But so it came off for some people as it's like, oh, you just want more Facebook customers. -Yeah, terrible. -Yeah. -It sounds good. You don't wanna completely bash the idea, -Yeah. -but it's the same thing that Bill Gates said the other day, "When you're sitting on a toilet with diarrhea, like who cares about the internet?" -Right. -Right. Yeah, you know, I feel like a lot of these campaigns are just all about shock value marketing, right? -Uh-hmm. -And I think that South by Southwest thing was definitely employed to get people to pay attention to that company. Same thing with this guy, this Patrick McConlogue. He has his own startup that he's trying to promote here. I'm sure it's just to get a quick few page views. But you know what, no one ever remembers what that South by Southwest company was that was offering the homeless-- -You just remember how bad-- yeah, I remember. -you remember homeless WiFi but no one gives a shit about who the company behind it was. -I still remember what it was. -And you know, I have to keep looking down at his name but no one really cares on what his startup does and if in fact, doing something as horrible to humanity as this would definitely prevent people from signing up for your company. You know, if I recognize it and put the two together, like oh, this is the company that put up the WiFi homeless hotspots, I would go out of my way to not support this company. It's actually terrible market. -I think we need a touch of reality. -Yeah. -I think people who get too into this startup world, whether in San Francisco or in your own world of just complaining about your why-people problems, -Yeah. -you know, you just kinda need a little bit of humble pie, -Right. -and wake up to what maybe really matters. -Makes me really sad. I also read the story on Gizmodo who had-- Gizmodo had interviewed the Snapchat CEOs and they were talking about the sort of expositional process of like creating Snapchat and testing it on users. And they said that they've tested it on amateurs and random people and even homeless people. Like they brought a phone to a homeless person and the whole idea was that, it's so easy that even a homeless person can use Snapchat. What is that for you? -Okay, guys, something that maybe you don't realize; homeless people do use the internet. I-- back in my old job, I did a story about how when you need a computer to hunt for jobs or just to do something, they go to the public library, -Uh-huh. -and many people on the computer on the library are actually people who are just looking for something to do and-- -Right. -a lot of them have Facebook accounts, you know, to like assume that like if you're homeless you don't know anything about technology, you're not really understanding like the full depth of it all. -Right. And you're also projecting these stereotypes about homeless people onto them. You have no idea. -Yeah. -They could have been a computer programmer or an IT specialist before they got fired or got laid off, whatever. -Yeah, yeah. You have no idea and it just makes you look like an idiot. -Yeah. Stuff like this makes me feel really sad. -They're not-- yeah, this isn't like, like oh, so easy, a caveman can do it. It's not like that, guys. -Yeah. Where's 4chan when you need them on this stuff, right? Direct them towards this Patrick McConlogue guy, right? He really needs a lesson [unk]. -I'm sure the internet probably did teach him a lesson of all the comments he's gotten. -Yeah, right. He's getting flamed right now. So, anyway, let's get to some e-mails and we also have a couple of voicemails I don't wanna play but let's power through these ones really quick. Our buddy, Dustin, e-mailed us and he says, "What's going on, 404 crew? I just got done listening to the episode where Justin and Bridget were talking about tech etiquette to enforce in the office. Well, the tech etiquette I have isn't tech related but it's definitely something that drives me crazy that somebody in my office does. Please never ever cut your fingernails at work." -Uh. -He says, "It's disgusting. It makes me cringe whenever I hear someone in the next cubicle over cutting their nails at their desk. All I can picture is shards of fingernails flying aimlessly over the office and into my cubicle. Keep those nail clippers at home, people." -Oh, my God. It's like-- -Yeah, it's kinda gross. -Like don't go brushing your hair. -Yeah. -Don't go picking your nose, you know, like-- -Oh, I mean the fingernail thing is an auditory problem, right? -Yeah. -Like-- I've definitely seen people in the subway across from me, sitting down, cut some nails. -Yeah. I've seen that in the subway too. -What? What? -That's terrible. -That's gross. -They have no concept, this is a public area. -Yeah. -Oh, my God. These people need to go away. -Right. Yeah, you would never allow someone to just cut their hair in the middle of a subway or next to your cube but for some reason, for fingernails, it's okay. -Someone's gonna clean this up. Ain't my problem. Yeah. And that's why we have the wonderful society we have today. -Yeah. -Ain't my problem. -Oh, fingernails. -I'm like, go wipe it here, it's not my problem. -Fingernails-- -They shoot far sometimes. -Yeah. That's what I was gonna say. -What if you're just sitting there, typing away, all of a sudden [unk] on your face. -What if you got it? It's like-- it's just like put yourself in someone else's shoes. -Yeah. -And what if you got that? -Beautiful song. -Thank you. -Yeah, you know, like cutting your fingernails-- -Think that next time you want to cut your fingernails. -It takes 3, 4 minutes to cut your fingernails, you know, like you don't have an extra couple of minutes before you leave the house to do this. -Or go to the bathroom in the company you work if you need to do it. -No, even that, that will be gross stuff. -It's still better than doing at your cubicle. -I agree. -If you gotta hang nail, take care of it in the bathroom. -Yeah, I agree. All right. Next e-mail is from our buddy Mike. He has-- -I'm so worked up-- -I know, I know. This is one way better. It's a little more heartwarming. He wants to talk about the photo booth phenomenon we spoke about yesterday. He says, "I had a photo booth at my wedding two years ago and it ended up being a really great decision. Some of our favorite photos from the wedding were the ones from the photo booth. The guests got to take home their 4 photo strips for free and I got copies of all the individual photos as high res. digital files after the fact to commemorate the wedding. Almost all the guests took advantage of the photo booth, both as couples and as large groups of friends and family. People were being really silly and the props resulted in great photos that you really couldn't get in any other way. I'm not sure if it's a nostalgia thing but it turned out great. I think that's a great idea and you know, we're kinda touched on this yesterday. But my cousin's wedding, she had a photo booth and she has--" -Were there mustaches involved? -Yeah. -Everyone's got the mustaches, -Yeah. -but I think it's getting little like we're at the end of it, I think. -It's cool. Well, you gotta maybe be a little more creative with your props. -Yeah. -Like make a crown or like a monocle or something like that. -I just see a lot of paper mustaches. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. But overall, I think it's a great idea to sort of alleviate the pressure from the wedding photographer, right? And then people are a lot more natural in front of cameraman. -It gives you something to do, yeah. Yeah, it gives you a souvenir, gives you something to do, it's kinda fun and technology makes it even easier now. They don't have like rolling an old school booth. -Right, right. Exactly. And yeah, it's great. It's great all around, I guess because afterward you still have access to those photos to commemorate the time you had. -Yeah and everyone's gonna remember they're like goofy, you know. -Or not remember because they're so drunk. -Yeah, there you go. That's a good party. -I think the perfect place for photo booths are bars. Have you ever seen them in bars? -Oh, yeah. -Yeah. Drunk people just taking pictures of themselves. -Uh-hmm. Yeah, yeah. That's great. We should do a 404 photo booth pics, see how many people we can fit into one of those. -Yeah. -Or just randomly set up a booth in the middle of like the street. -Yeah. -That's funny. All right, voicemails time. We don't have the voicemail jingle. I don't believe, right? But let's just get straight into them. -Voicemail. -I like that vibrato. The first voicemail is from Dana in Richmond. Remember a couple of days ago, I was talking about that mosquito that I found in my apartment that kept me up all night? -Yeah. -Because you don't have sheets. -Yeah because I don't sleep in sheets and Dana has a great idea, a genius idea on how to prevent mosquito bites in your home. Here it is. -So, I was watching your show on-- -Wrong guy. -Hey, guys. This is Dana from Richmond. I was just calling in, in response to yesterday, Tuesday's show, where Justin was talking about punching a mosquito. Well, because I live in the south, I keep my windows open at the summer. It's cool now, we noticed but one trick is just use a fan of some sort. Mosquitoes can't fly against anything greater than 1 or 1 to 5 miles per hour, so basically a fan will disrupt their fly time and basically if you have a fan blowing in your area or on you, a mosquito can't land, they can't function, can't fly and bite you. So, anyway, just get one of those little clip-on fans, they have like [unk] and stuff and just put it on your headboard and you'd be all set. -That's a-- I like that. -All right, buddy. Take it easy. Bye. -Man. -Hey, guys-- -Sorry about that. Dana is a genius. -It' a good idea. -Have you guys ever thought about that before? -Yeah. -I have never considered that. -I have never thought of that. -How come you didn't say that when I talked to you about it earlier in the week, Richard. -I'm sorry. -You're like, oh, yeah, I have five fans and prevent any insects from coming your way. -Because if you have a fan blowing on your face all night, you could die. -That is true. How did you know about that? -What? What? -Have we talked about that before? -I think I've heard you talked about it before, yeah. -So, in the Korean culture, there's an urban myth, an urban legend or maybe it's a real legend, I don't know. It's an-- anyway, it's this myth that says if you fall asleep with a fan turned on and blowing into your face, you will die. I don't know why. -They never lived in New York. -You will die. -You'll wake up dead. -Yeah. To the point where every fan that you buy in Korea-- -Even a ceiling fan which is meant to be on? -Even a ceiling fan, yeah. Even a ceiling fan, they all have timers on them for auto shutoff because the entire country is deathly afraid of fans. It's true. Look up Korean fan death on Google. It's a real thing. -Is there gonna be like a movie about that? -Yeah. -The America is going to copy. -I'm glad you brought that up, Richard. That's the reason why I can't do it now. -Really? -Yeah. That was a genius idea. -Okay. -But you just saved my life. -All right. I've slept a plenty of fans. I think we are going to be okay. -Yeah. -That is interesting. -Yeah. It's a crazy phenomenon. I don't get it either but I'm gonna go ahead and believe that. It's true. Next voicemail we got is from Gustavo. You know, we're overly getting a lot of very complimentary voicemails in the show, I don't know why. Maybe people don't like us. Maybe they just don't want to put the effort in. I don't know what it is. But Gustavo left a very, very nice one for us and so, let us listen to what he has to say. -Hey, guys. This is Gustavo from Sao Paulo, Brazil. I'm waiting for a long time to call you guys because it's really expensive to call from here in Brazil. So, I managed-- I don't know if it's hack or something but I downloaded an app on my iPhone, -Uh-hmm. -so I can call you guys for free. And I just like to say that I love your show and I started listening to you just to practice my English. So, sorry fro my bad English so far. But I just want to let you know that you guys have helped me a lot with my English and still, just keep the good work and I'm always spreading a word here in Brazil about you guys, to all my friends. -Nice. -So, that's it. Thanks, guys. -Oh. -It's awesome. -I love that. -I feel like I need to speak better English now. -Right. Yeah. -[Foreign Language]. Oh, no. -Yeah. -You maybe start speaking gooder. -Yeah, much gooder. I thought Gustavo's English is pretty good. It's a lot better than a lot of Americans that I know. -Yeah. It was good. -So, I didn't-- -Muchas gracias. -Yeah. There you go. I'm glad you started off with a little Spanish there too. -Yeah. -Although I'm pretty sure-- -Okay. I pretty much-- oh, that's right. -I'm pretty sure they speak Portuguese in Brazil. -I don't know Portuguese. -Yeah. That's okay. Gustavo, his English is great. So, I didn't realize we had listeners in Sao Paulo. -Yeah, that's pretty cool. -And I guess we have a very small group of them. That's awesome. Last voicemail of the day, I have no idea what this guy is talking about but he has a funny voice. So, I'm gonna play the voicemail anyway. -Yeah, hi. So, I was watching your show on YouTube. I have a Chromecast, I put it on the TV and what I'm asking is I don't know. Yesterday, I was watching it, my friend is watching with me and then they bring up, they put very inappropriate [unk], you know, they do-- they-- it's too inappropriate. They have like the picture inappropriate talk, I thought it was-- I think it was tech show, right? -What? -No. No. Because you know what it is, it was showing their private parts on it. -Who was? -Covered my son's eyes and take him to bathroom. And now

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