The 404: Ep. 1,326: Where we learn our manners
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Bridget Carey and Richard Peterson return for another episode of 404 Misfit Week! Today we're talking crowdsourced over-funding, library selfies at the NYPL, and eight tech etiquette tips to survive your office space.
-Welcome to the show everyone. You're tuned into a very special episode of The 404 Show on CNET.com. I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Richard Peterson. -And I'm Bridget Carey. -Yeah, you are. I was hoping you were gonna do that in one of your signature vocal impressions-- -Oh, sure. -'cause you're so good at them, but it has to be an organic moment and I just like that. -Yeah, it is. The magic-- The magic just happens, you know. -Yeah. Well, in case you're just tuning in for the first time this week, Jeff and Ariel are both out on vacation/getting married, not to each other, separately, and-- -Was Jeff already married? -Jeff was already married to my knowledge, yes. Ariel is getting married this week and then going on his honeymoon for the rest of the month. So, it's just me on the boards today and Richard is helping me out producing. Thank you very, Richard-- -You're welcome. -you know, and then Bridget Carey is here as well. She runs CNET Update which is CNET's daily video news show. -That's right. -Yeah. Okay. -I like the stare. You make me uncomfortable. -Yeah. -What else you had to say about it, huh? -Awkward silence is always great for a podcast. When do you guys usually release CNET Update everyday and how can people find it? -Yeah, CNET.com/Update,-- -Uh-huh. -very easy URL, and everyday about like 4 o'clock, it'll be ready for you on your way home, so that way, you can get three minutes of all the top headlines. -Uh-huh. -Yeah. I feel like when people watch that show, since it's so well produced, you and Mark do a great job with it, they always think that-- -And Richard. -And Richard. -And then Richard, I'm sorry. -Everyone thinks that you have so many people working on it, but it's really- -No. -just three of you guys. -Just me writing and the guys editing and we're making the magic happens. -Yeah. Yeah, you guys do a great job with very little resources. -Yeah. -So, my hats off to you, guys. -Thank you. -Thank you. -Always welcome to come back on the show. So, thanks a lot for helping me out today. -Always fun. You always have a little surprise and you enlighten my world with the weird stuff you find online and talk about. -Well, thank you so much, Bridget. I appreciate that. Hopefully, I won't let you down today. Actually, speaking of stories, the first one in the rundown is actually an update to a story we talked about earlier in the week. So, remember how that story about the programmer that found a bug on Facebook? -Yeah. -And no one would really respond to it when he submitted it to the right channels and so he ended up posting that vulnerability to Mark Zuckerberg's profile page, right? -It can't get hurt, you know, let the CEO know. -Yeah, right. That was-- That was the whole thing. -It was brilliant. -Right. It turns out everybody lost because Facebook kind of lost out on their vulnerabilities, but also that hacker, a guy named Khalil Shreateh, he was denied that $500 that Facebook guarantees anyone who finds a vulnerability in their site. They didn't give it to him because they said anyone that tests these bugs out on real-life users isn't gonna get that bounty. So, he lost out on 500 bucks, but there's an update to that story, and apparently, after that news broke on Monday, the internet went crazy and they got super pissed at Facebook, and of course, they started a crowdfunding campaign to get Khalil the money that he deserves. -That's awesome. -Wow. -How much do you guys think that he got? -More than $500, for sure. -Oh, yeah. -Definitely more than $500. That's a good guess, but let's do an over/under. How much do you guys think? How much do you think he deserves? Because, I mean, people submit bugs to Facebook all the time. -I would tell you that I stumbled upon the story and I think it's way more than he deserves. -Okay, so it's-- -So, you know the answer? -Yeah, so you know the answer? -I know it's way more. -I'm gonna-- -I'm just-- Yeah, go ahead. -I'm gonna say $2000. -Two thousand would be a lot of money for someone that's just discovered a bug-- -Yeah. -who did this for exposure, but it wasn't $2000. It was five times that. He got $10,000. -Wow. -So, this is really insane. -And he's gonna pay taxes on it, maybe? I don't know. -Still much more money. -How are they gonna get-- And how do they get the money to him? I guess he's gonna verify who he is and they can-- they can send it to him. -Right. Yeah. -Very interesting. But I love it, like, you know, the group comes together and to say, you know, forget you Facebook, you know. -Yeah. You know, I'm all for this. It's really sort of Facebook sending a message to their users that, you know, you need to be-- go to the right channel and then make sure you're not actually white-hating people which is good. I like that. But again, let's be honest here, when we talked about this several times in the show, when these crowdsourced campaigns get really popular, they go, you know, viral, whatever on the internet, eat that word. But you know, when they get really popular, sometimes, it's possible to over-fund and I think-- -Right. -that's the case here, $10,000 for someone who just discovered a bug. How many other hackers have done this exact same thing and they've gotten $500 or even less? You know, like the Twitter system. -It makes you wonder, like, everyone gets really worked up about something like this when it's against a big company,-- -Yeah. -but how many causes out in the world could be solved really fast-- -Yeah. -if we all just got on and donated 5 bucks-- -That's true. -to end hunger or something-- -Right. -I know. -[unk] -It's like-- It's like, "Oh, this guy found one bug, let's give him-- -Yeah. -money right now. -Yeah. They could have built a library for a school,-- -Yeah. I wanna give him-- -right, in the $10,000. -I wanna give him a slow clap-- -Uh-huh. -and move on with my life. I don't need to give him my money. -Yeah. -You know, I think people online are confusing online crowdsourced funding campaigns with just petitions. -Uh-huh. -You know, they're signing with their dollar, right? But in this case, it's $10, $15 per campaign and that really adds up overtime. It's a valiant effort, I think, on the part of the internet, but-- -It's a symbol of what people-- -how about just signing a petition and sending that to Facebook that this guy should receive the $500, you know. -Right. -They're sort of even letting Facebook off the hook for not paying him by doing it themselves. -Yeah, right. -That's-- -You're absolutely right. They're not making the point that the Facebook shouldn't have given him the cold shoulder. -Right. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I think-- -'Cause they're not doing it because they think he deserves that, like, $2000 or $5000-- -Five hundred dollars. -Right. Well-- -So, he was supposed to get $500 from Facebook. -Oh. -He got $10,000-- -All right. -from the public. -But anyway, they're not doing it because they think he deserves $10,000. They're doing it because he got shafted by Facebook. -Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's more of a slight against Facebook. -Yeah. -They're trying to get back at Facebook by paying this guy, but I guess there is a winner and that's our dude, Khalil. So, congratulations. I don't know what he's gonna do with that money. I would like to think that he will maybe do the right thing and donate it maybe to like a school so they could boost their programming classes for younger kids so that maybe future programmers can get a foot-in-the-door-- I don't know-- that would be the-- that would be the right thing to do. Somehow, I don't think he's gonna do this. -Well, maybe, yeah. Who knows what-- Yeah. But it's interesting. I just came out laughing. I don't know what to say sometimes when it comes to these things like-- -Yeah. -like all the kick starters for a movie, like, yeah, yeah. Let's give, you know, people who don't deserve lots of our money. -Right. The internet just has way too much money, right? I mean, I don't know. Every time, one of these stories comes up, I'm always thinking, "What should our kick starter be? Should we just have a 404 Kick Starter? Or a Go Fund Me campaign like what we all got here? -No, because you're bigger than that. -I'm not that-- -Not, like, Justin's Lunch Fund, -Yeah. -please help-- -The thing is I'm a little behind on rent this month. -this starving-- -Maybe, a little something like that will be good. All right. Well, let's move on to a different story here. Let's switch gears and talk about the library, the New York Public Library. Let me ask you guys a question before we start. When was the last time you guys even stepped foot into a library? -Well, I've-- like a year ago, to the New York Public Library 'cause it was cool to see. -Yeah, oh, okay. So, you went as like a tourist thing. -Yeah. -Okay. -And my family wanted to see-- Yeah, yes. So, I guess I don't really go for-- When it comes to New York, it's just iconic. You know, they go more for the sites-- -Right. -for the actual city that they are working. -Yeah, yeah. I go to reenact-- -But there's a lot of people in their hoop. -the opening scene of Ghostbusters. -Yeah, exactly, that's why. I'm like, it's Ghostbusters day! -Yeah. -I gotta go. No, but I don't really go in there and sit there and work, but I do see people working in there often. -Right. Yeah, it is a popular work spot because they have free Wi-Fi-- -Uh-huh. -and you don't have to buy a cup of coffee or anything like that. So, it's good. -Uh-huh. -What about you, Richard? Are you a frequent library user? -It's been awhile. No, no. I think the last time I went was for some press event that's like-- some tech company was having an event there-- -Oh, okay. -in one of their big rooms [unk] -You didn't step in to go to the restroom or anything like that? -No. -You know what's funny? I remember going to the library a lot before Netflix came out, that was like in high school, and I used to go because they would have a free DVD rental program. So, instead of going to like a Blockbuster, look it up if you're too young or a warehouse [unk] -And people do this for music too. -Yeah. -I know people who, like, went to the library, you know, like-- -Yeah. -got their CDs then sent them back, but somehow, that music is now in their computer. -Yeah. -'Cause it is just an easy way to get copies of songs. -Yeah. They should just turn the museum into a-- I'm sorry. They should just turn libraries into museums 'cause that's really all they are now, right? -Well, I hate to think that. -I remember I used to rent magazines from libraries, which is really crazy. I used to rent like Disney Adventures and Boy's Life when I was a kid. -Oh, Disney Adventures. -Of course, you know what Disney Adventures is. -Uh-huh. -Air Five, Bridget. Pow! I love that magazine. It was so great and they also had that like a picture finder on the back page, too. I bet you're a Highlights fan as well. -Yeah, but Highlights was only for the doctors' offices. -Yeah, that's true. -Yes. -It's like-- -No one actually subscribed it. -Goofus and Gallant. -Goofus and Gallant. -Gallant. He never really got it right. He wasn't thinking about others. -Oh, that sniffling Goofus. When will he learn? -Oh, well, the New York Public Library is apparently not getting as many visitors as they had in the past because they're sort of starting this new PR campaign. That seems like a desperate attempt to get people interested back into the library. -What? It is-- What is it? -So, they're setting up these photo booths, which is actually kind of a cool idea. I'm not hitting on this at all because I love the New York Public Library. And they set up these random photo booths on 42nd Street in that building. So, check this out. This is what they look like. They're big, rectangular kiosks that you can just stand in front of and you can take your picture, but it's kind of smart. This is all sort of like a nontraditional attempt to just get more information about the people going into the library. So, when you access these kiosks, the first thing they ask you is, "What are you doing in the library? Are you working? Are you renting books? Are you going to the bathroom? Are you looking a porn?" whatever. You know, they ask you-- -I don't think that's a question. Just gonna-- Just gonna make a guess. -Maybe, not, okay. -I don't think that's a question. -Watching videos? -Are you looking at porn? -Yes, right now. -In our library? -That's like a red light goes off on the top. -[unk] library. -Handcuffs come out of the kiosk and just grab you. -But yeah it's-- -And you don't rent books, by the way. -Right. -You take them out. -You borrow or check out books. -Books. Check them out. -It's been so long. So, they ask you what you're doing there. In that way, they can aggregate more information and sort of get people back interested into it, and then after, they'd take you to the camera app that snaps your photo and then they put that onto the New York Public Library website where you can check out all the different people that are frequent in the website. Everyone in the city that doesn't have internet, you can check out on this home page, which is kind of cool. They also put it on their Twitter page, in their Instagram profile, in their Flickr page, and all that stuff. So, it's kind of a relic of the past, you know, public library, not a lot of people go into that. You don't really find a lot of photo booths around the city, so it's kind of like a best of both worlds. Getting all the old stuff into one building. -You know, it kind of blurs that concept of like us already sharing where we're at by using location on Facebook-- -Right. -or Foursquare, but it's a little bit more like, "Oh, my picture is now on the website," you know. -Yeah. What is it-- What is it about photo booths that people are so attracted to because it is sort of a vintage thing, but you know, there are so many apps. You have a photo booth in your hand at all times now, right? And you can post it to anywhere you want on the internet. It's basically just one big photo booth now. So, why do you think people are into it? -Because not everyone can actually, I guess, do this black and white photo the way they have it setup on your phone. It just kind of looks like, "Yup, it's me on the website." -Yeah. -You know, everyone wants their, like, moment of fame, even if it's [unk] like this, like-- -Yeah. -it's just kind of a fun thing to do to make you smile. -Yeah. -I think it's creative. I've never heard of someone doing something like this. -Yeah. I've also heard a lot of people that have gotten married and have photo booth that they rent from a service-- -Yeah. -Oh, right. -and have people take pictures at the wedding. -And I've even looked into this, you know. You can get apps on-- from like an iPad setup. Instead of having a full giant booth-- -Uh-huh. -you could just set up an iPad or a camera with the clicker. So, I know everyone-- it's just a little thing that's coming back 'cause everyone-- I think, now, we're getting used to take, you know, pictures and doing selfies or just try that arm coming out. -Right. -Uh-huh. -Or maybe-- maybe if that arm is not there, we'll have a little more thumb with it, but I think we're a culture that actually likes posing now. I mean-- -Right. -I mean, look at our parents and the generation before that, maybe a little more camera shy. -Right. -I think the younger generation that's coming in, they're gonna be so used to having video of themselves. -Yeah. -I think we're still a little shy sometimes with video. Oh, oh, it's recording. What do I say? -Uh-huh. -I know how to pose with duckface, but I don't know what to say. -Yeah. -And now, the younger generations having video taken of them as they grow up-- -Right. -and having documented everything. So, there are gonna be little hands, all of them. -Yeah. You know, what's really strange is, the other day when I was walking around the East Village, I saw my first in-real-life video chat. Someone was using, what's it called, FaceTime-- -Uh-huh. -on their iPhone and they were just standing in the middle of the intersection and I could see the other person on their screen and they were lying in bed sort of like looking at it from the side. -Uh-huh. -Really weird, right? I feel like as long as FaceTime and video chat has been out, you hardly ever see people in the street just using it. -No, you don't because, well, I mean, the-- -Sort of a private moment. -Well, it's gotten to the point now where you can use it more on wireless that isn't Wi-Fi. -Right. -Remember it was kind of limited to Wi-Fi, so you don't really see a lot of it and it made people-- the moment to use it for-- you know, is when you're out and about. Hey, check this thing out-- -Yeah. -and what do you think about it? Should I buy it? Or whatever it maybe but-- -Yeah. I'm surprised I don't see people in stores more, in grocery stores and things like that picking up stuff when they go home. -Just one more thing to do,-- -Yeah. -you don't always want to be looked at. -Yeah, I guess so. -But you know what? Yeah, I still-- I still haven't done that myself really. -What's that? Video chat? -Yeah. Just like start a video chat rather than just call someone and-- -Yeah. -or text them a photo. -Well, it's also very rare that I'm only focusing on the conversation that I'm having. -Uh-huh. -Yeah. -Usually, I'm multitasking on the internet or I have the TV on. I don't want video evidence of that, someone catching me in the act. So, I usually just make it audio. -Yeah. -Then, your audio is gonna be broadcasted to everyone around you 'cause you're on speakerphone, right? -Right. -So, everyone is gonna hear you. -Right, yeah, exactly. Good point. You know what, I think the other thing that makes photo booths more appealing is that selfies are always so damn unflattering. Right? It's-- And I think it's because people can only hold it at arm's distance which is always an awkward angle. You know, people don't really know to lift the phone up to get a downward angle of the photo. -For they don't take the time to like put it-- -Refrain it. Yeah. -to like use an app with a timer-- -Right, right. -you know, like, the little extra steps you have to take sometimes. -Oh, I think the best in-flight product that I have ever seen is a wand that's used to take selfies of yourself-- -Okay. -when you're out by yourself. It was so depressing. I saw this-- -Oh, like, in SkyMall Magazine. -Yeah, I saw this in SkyMall Magazine and the photo was-- -I think I've seen that. -just a lady holding a wand that had a tripod at the end of it that you could screw into a case, you put your iPhone in, right? And so, you just hold that at arm's distance and it basically makes your arm longer so you get more background behind you. -That might be good. -So sad, though. -That is kind of sad. -That is [unk] like at the Empire State Building or at Angkor Wat or you're wherever, you know, like, one of the Seven Wonders of the World. -Yeah. -And you see this random person with that cane and an iPhone attached to the end of it. -But if you're going on a vacation by yourself, that might be good. -A forever alone one. They should call it that. -I used to have a weird thing, but I thought it was funny a few years ago that whenever someone wanted to take a photo, like a group of people together, like we're all posing, I still stick my arm out just so my arm can take a picture. -Wait, what? -I was really weird. -What? -I thought this was funny. -Even though someone else was taking a picture? -And everyone in the group would all stick their like sidearms out-- -Wait. I am still confused. -I'm-- as if we had massively long hand. -You guys are so weird. That must be a Floridian thing. -You know what, it's just one of those things that I've been so tired of the trend, I just wanted to provide my own way to mock it. -Yeah, I can appreciate that. You know what, photo-- -No one else could. -You know, one photo trend I like recently is that phenomenon of Hadoukening. -I did-- Oh, oh. -So nerdy. -It's like the nerdiest thing you can do in a photo. -Oh, I've done that. Oh, if I have my phone with me, I could show you. -Yeah. So, basically, if you ever played Street Fighter, you know the Hadouken, that big fireball-- -Uh-huh. -that Ryu puts out and you're basically supposed to emulate that and mimic, you know, like if you have two people in a photo, one person does the Hadouken with their hands and the other person sort of jumps back and-- -And tries to touch their toes. -and curves their body,-- -Yeah. -trying to touch their toes to make it look like they've just been hit in the stomach with a fireball. -Yeah. -But it's a job of the photographer to take it at the exact moment, so it looks like that scene when you're fighting. It's a ridiculous thing when you do it right. -Oh. It's just a moment of pride. -So, you've done it before? -Oh, yeah. -How many tries did it take before you got that perfect Hadouken? -Two. Well, the perfect one really was more like a punch-- -Uh-huh. -and the Hadouken looked a little strange, you know, but-- -Yeah. -but, yeah, it just came out beautiful. -I don't know what you call it, but a lot of people also do the ground smash and that way you can get more than two people-- -Oh, yeah. -in the shot 'cause that way when you hit the ground, you have a-- -Everyone has to be timed. -circle around you and they all do the-- -It's hard enough to get those stupid photos where everyone is trying to jump in the air at the same time 'cause you always got like, you know, the seventh person, Sally, who is like, "I jumped too late." -Right, right. -So, doing something like that takes a lot of practice. -Yeah. In order to touch your toes too,-- -[unk] -you've got to be fairly flexible. -Yeah. -So, I guess the most out-of-shape guy is the one who's doing the move and then like-- -I love that. The arms look pretty musclely. -Yeah. I think it looks insane actually. We gotta try this as a 404 [unk] CNET. -Let's do it. -Yeah. We have to make our own version of it. We'll figure it out. -Yeah. We got to-- We've got to start a new trend. -Yeah, I don't know what that would be, though. -We're so trendy. I'm sure we'll figure it out. -Yeah. We will figure that out. All right. So, moving right along, let's jump into the next story here. Tech etiquette tips for the office. And now, we go over these etiquette things every once in a while, you know, in terms of like what to post on Instagram or how not to cheat on Facebook or whatever, but you know, these are-- with fall coming up, you know, a lot of kids are starting their fall internships, right, the economy is getting a little better, so a lot of jobs are-- new jobs are coming up-- -Uh-huh. -and have some new hires in the office or you may have a new job yourself. So, before you start that new thing, I think we should go over a few tech tips for how to comport yourself in the office. -How to not annoy the people around you. -Yeah. You know, a modern workplace is filled with technology now, right? You have everything from laptops and tablets and printers all around you at all times. So, how should you really conduct yourself so as not to piss everyone else off? -Oh, I got one on the top of my list. -Uh-huh. Lay it on me. -When your volume is up on your phone,-- -Uh-huh. -and you're in the middle of getting just rapid fire texts from your friend like-- and it's just-- you don't silence it, but you know, you guys are having a serious conversation. The person next to you just hears da ding, da ding, da ding, da ding, da ding, da ding, da ding ding, ring. -Yeah. -especially if it's a longer one-- whatever it is. -What kind of ring tone is that? -It just came to me, but you know exactly what I mean, especially the ones that talk, oh, my mom, lover, but she has an entire song for just a text message. -Guys,-- -So, whenever, like, I'm texting a lot at work, she's like it just keeps going off an entire Aerosmith song and I'm like, "I know mom, but you gotta change it to a short tone." -Right. -And you always hear people around you just like walk away from their phones and it's ringing a lot like, you know, everyone gets like a chance. All right, I get it. You didn't know your phone was going off, but-- -Right. -It's probably good practice to keep your phone on silent at all times when you're at work. -Well-- -There's really no need unless you're across the room 'cause, so many times, someone's left a phone at their desk and they've gotten up to the bathroom, right,-- -Uh-huh. -and they get a phone call or several phone calls-- -Yeah, and it just keeps ringing. -and it just keeps ringing, but you don't know whether or not it's okay to go over there and put it on silent or just destroy it-- -Or answer it. -I've done that. -Yeah, or answer it. -No. I've-- I have done it when-- Okay. When you have an alarm on your phone, having your phone on silent, that doesn't matter, the alarm will still sound-- -Right. -Right. -in order to wake you up. And I have done it if I know the person is not coming back-- -Uh-huh. -and when they come back to their seat, I'd say, "Hey, I turned your alarm off for you," or "Your phone was ringing"-- -Right. -you know, and just kind of like hit that silent button, but you don't actually touch anything on the screen. I think the proper etiquette is if there's something-- if people working hard around you,-- -Uh-huh. -the phone is going off and very loud and people are trying to do something on the phone maybe and they can't hear the person their talking to,-- -Uh-huh. -I think it's fine to go up and just hit that silent button or hit the volume down-- -Right. -just to quickly quiet it, but not hang up on the person. -Right. Yeah. I agree. -I think it's funny when we have like a calendar invite that gets sent out to all of us, around us-- -Uh-huh. -and we all have like on our phone and it will, like I see here, like these five phones go ding, ding, ding-- -Yeah, right. -that's always good. -Yeah, that's kind of interesting. -I always like when we plan meetings together, but then we all sit within like a 5-meter radius. You know, we could just like turn around and talk to each other, but we still-- -Yeah. -IM'ing for some reason. That's okay, though. I won't say that's against the rules. What I really dislike is when people don't refill the toner cartridge in a printer and this is so office [unk] stuff -Are you talking about a massive printer in the office or, you know, because, I mean, if-- -The massive printer. Yeah, the big guy. -People usually depend on someone, like there is to be a designated person-- -Yeah. -or instructions for everyone to know how to do it-- -Yeah. -because there are times people just don't know how to do it. -And fill that paper too. You know, I feel like not doing that is the equivalent of not putting the toilet paper roll back-- -Yeah. -when you reuse it. -Paper is so easy to fill. -Come on. -I agree with you there. -Yeah. Put that paper back in there. -If you see it's empty, you just go and grab a rim right next to you. -Right. -There ain't people get a little squeamish about not knowing. Maybe, they're intimidated by it, but-- -Right, maybe. But there's no excuse for not putting paper in there-- -Yeah. -especially 'cause so few people use the printer now anyway. I pretty much know who it is when it's not there. So, don't do that. -Are you talking to me? No. We use different printers. -Yeah. We use different printers. I'm not printing [unk] here. So, the other one that they list in this mashable article about the eight tech etiquette tips to enforce in your office, don't wear headphones when you're away from your desk. So, this is sort of a contentious issue, I think, in every office and it really depends on, like, sort of the office layout, right, and sort of the attitude in your office. But a lot of people say you shouldn't wear headphones at your desk at all, you know, or use one earbud 'cause it could be kind of antisocial. It could be deemed sort of rude. -I think it depends on factors like how your desk is setup, if your back is always to-- if someone has to tap you on the shoulder as the only way to get your attention-- -Right. -because you have headphones on, X, no. They shouldn't have to scream and touch you to get your attention. -Yeah. -If you're at a desk where people can see you face to face and you have headphones on, that's perfectly acceptable that they can't get your attention, you could just take them off. -Right, yeah, I agree. -So, I think-- I think that's where people get really awkward, like, not only is this person just in another world and totally out of it, but they can't even have any visual cues to know if someone's talking to them. -Yeah. -That's when it just feels more alienating. -Well, that's how my setup is and I wear headphones all day, but I'm editing video-- -Right. -so I kind of have to. -That's a good excuse. -Well, as long-- I mean, I guess I come up behind you and I go, "Rich," and you hear me, you know, so-- -Yeah, right. I think the other thing is also that, you know, it's a good idea to maybe buy like a mirror or something. It's what you-- -Oh, one of those rearview mirrors? -Yeah, yeah, but it's so nerdy, but you're actually going to think he can buy a rearview mirror that you put on top of your monitor that lets you see what's going on behind you. So, if someone tries to contact you in your cube and they walk up, you're not gonna get scared every single time which is why I bought it because I kept getting-- I kept like, you know, jumping up in my seat every time someone would tap me on the shoulder. -I think-- Oh, yeah. But with you, I have to shout at you. I'm like, "Justin!"-- -Yeah, yeah. -Like do old dance and everything. -Sometimes, I'm not even listening to music. I just do it because I don't wanna be bothered. -You just don't want-- Nobody is-- -Yeah. -talking to you. Yeah. Now, with Richard editing video, we all get it, you know. -Yeah. -There's different jobs for different, you know, ways you should handle it. -Right. -I like it for way not having to hear other people's conversations if I'm really in the zone. -Right. So, that's the other thing. Another one in this list is, don't put your phone on speakerphone if it's a private conversation. Right? And don't-- If you do have to use speaker 'cause you're doing something on your desk at the same time, don't turn that volume up too load 'cause not everyone wants to hear your conversation even if it is professional. -[unk] private conversations. -Please do. -My peeve is e-mail etiquette. You are writing to someone and just one other person and they forward it to someone else-- -Uh-huh. -and you're like, "That wasn't meant for other people to see." You can't just-- But now, you have to really act sometimes as if whatever you're gonna write to that person, whether it's a co-worker or boss, just know that maybe someone can forward it on-- -Right. -'cause I think that's rude. I think, like, let's say you have person X goes, "Hey, I have a question about such and such, how should I handle it?" -Uh-huh. -They just forward it to another person going, "Hey, can you deal with this?" -Yeah. -I could have e-mailed that person directly. I was asking you, you know, or-- -Yeah. -I don't want them to know I talked to you first. You don't know how people react. It's the lazy way and it can cause people feeling awkward about-- unintentionally awkward. -Right. It's sort of a passive aggressive way. It's sort of passing your work off to someone else. -This person was talking about you by the way-- -Right. -or this person went to me instead of you and I, you know. -Right, right. -I don't know. It's one of those things, but I just think it's not sensitive. -That's the other thing 'cause I feel, with corporate e-mail, you really can't look too much into what people do. Right? 'Cause it's hard not to take stuff personally when they do that, right? -Uh-huh. -When they forward your stuff or if they left you off an e-mail or maybe put you onto an e-mail that you shouldn't have been on. It's always up for interpretation, but I don't think too much into it. -It can cause paranoia. -Yeah, it really can. It really can. So, the last one I wanted to say is kind of funny, but this one is, don't be a screen smearer. So, it's funny like a lot of people don't like it when you put your finger prints on their screen and that's a first world problem. Another thing is that, you know, Cheryl, who was on the show last week. She doesn't like when people come into her cube and throw trash away into her trash can. -Uh-huh. Yeah, she gets really annoyed by that. -Which is a very specific gripe, but I think it's a good one. -There's-- No, no. There's truth to that. If someone's walking around eating with, say, banana peel-- -Yeah. -in their hand 'cause they just finished it or talking to you or they have a cup of empty water, -Yeah. -all of a sudden, "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't [unk] yours." I ask-- I'm like, "Hey, [unk]," you know. -Yeah. -'Cause it feels like a violation of, like, I now own your property too. -Right. -You know, it's almost like a subconscious like-- -It's like sticking your flag in someone else's territory. -Yeah, yeah. We already don't have enough space as it is, but I'm just gonna like come up and just use your stuff if that-- -Right. -if that's okay, you know. -Right. -I know people who do that and they don't think twice and I just have to shrug it off, like-- -Such a [unk]. I remember the first time that happened to me. It was like a piece of paper or something. It wasn't even food. And I walked into Cheryl's cube and I threw it and when she's like, "Dude, what are you doing? That's my trash can." I was like, "What? It's not your trash can. I'm pretty sure this company issued you this trash can. -Yeah. -I could throw whatever I want away and-- -I know. It's just-- -she got so mad. -It's a little specific. -But you know, it's little things like that. So, just be respectful and I think that's the moral of the story. -Or sitting on someone else's desk, you know, when you're having a conversation. -Yeah. -I'm like, "They, maybe, didn't want your butt on their desk." -Right. -I know. -Yeah. I just don't like anyone hovering over my screen-- -Uh-huh. -you know, because I might not be looking at something that's work related, but that's okay 'cause I'm allowed to like goof off every once in a while and I might have tabs open that you might not wanna see, but I don't like it when people just hover over you and you can tell they're reading exactly what's on your screen. -I think-- I think I hover over Rich that's why he's quiet. I think-- I think-- I think I'm the screen smudger. -Oh, really? -We're like going over a rough cut of something. I'm like, "Can you fix that right there?" -Yeah. -Well, that's fine, though, because you have a reason to be there and you have a reason to be looking my screen. -Yeah, but you guys are collaborating, you're not just talking socially. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Anything else you guys wanna give to our listeners? Any other tips for working your way around the tech office? -There's one thing that happens in our office a lot-- -Okay. -that bothers me. -Is this a surprise? -So-- No. Whenever there's a new hire or someone gets a promotion or something,-- -Oh, yes. -they send out, like, the manager sends out an e-mail, "Congratulations to this person." And they send it out to everybody, and all of a sudden, there's like all these reply alls, "Congratulations. Welcome to the team." -Uh-huh. -And it just gets, Oh,-- -Yeah. -It's-- -like, why don't they just reply to the person that got hired,-- -I agree. -"Congratulations. Welcome to the team." -I agree. -It's almost like saying to everyone, "I'm a good person and I have replied to all to let all of you know that I care about this new hire-- -Yeah. -and that I'm going to be their friend and I'm going to be friendly with everyone." And then it becomes a matter of, okay, so like, let's say something good happen to one person the next day,-- -Right. -another e-mail happens. You now have to do this for everyone because they knew the person who didn't say a good thing about-- -Yeah, [unk] one person. -you know, "You said it's about this guy, not my guy." -Right. -And then it becomes, "Oh, I'd better say something too." And all of a sudden, in my inbox, I have like 17 people all going,-- -Yes. -"I'm a good person and it's good to have you on board." Exactly, I'm with Rich, be private about it. We all know that you're a good person and I'm judging you. -Uh-huh. -But it just becomes-- it just becomes clutter in an inbox. -That was a great rant, by the way. -Maybe, I think-- Maybe, I was a little passionate about it. I don't know. -Very passionate rant and I like that. That's why I invite you on this show to guest with me because I want someone else that's animated in this studio, you know, someone that's like flailing their arms and like making funny faces and stuff like that. -That I do well. -That's why I like you. So, that's true. I agree with that. And you know, announcing promotions to everyone in the company is always kind of a sticky situation, right? -Right. -You might as well just tell people how much money they're making now because it's always making-- it just makes people feel awkward. -No. Well, I think-- I think there is just a way of doing it. If someone gets a new position, you need to know what kind of role they have. -Right. -Right. -If they're in charge of a new department,-- -Yeah. -you don't wanna be like, "Oh, no one told me." I think that's also the opposite problem. You don't-- You don't wanna feel like you have no idea what's going on in your company, but-- -Right. -Yeah. -maybe it's a matter of just internal team e-mails-- -Right. -instead of like-- -Only people that need to know maybe, I think that's the way you can do with tact and subtlety. -Uh-huh. -So, yeah, those are their tech tips. If you guys have your own tech tips for us, send it in to email@example.com. That's when I get too some voice mails? -Yeah. -Let's do it. The first one today is from Larissa. She has a comment about something you said the other day, Bridget. We're talking about nerdy tattoos-- -Uh-huh. -and you said that you would never get a Star Wars tattoo because you would be worried about the future gifts that you'll get based on that theme. -Yeah. Well, it was just one example, like you're always get kind of lumped into that-- into that, I guess, assumption-- -What? -that you must want everything of that-- -[unk] love Star Wars -of that one geekdom that you got a tattoo of. -Right. All right. So, Larissa has a comment about that. Let's hear what she has to say. -Hey, guys. This is Larissa from Houston. I was listening to Monday's episode when you were talking about nerdy tattoos and Bridget was commenting that she wouldn't wanna get like a Star Wars tattoo because then people would give you gifts for it-- -Uh-huh. -like the Star Wars gifts all the time and then I was thinking about the tattoos that I had and I was like, "Nobody does that. Nobody gives you gifts based on your tattoos." And then I thought of, like, out of the ones that I have I've got like this awesome tree and I've got this [unk] that's like [unk] design 'cause I really like the [unk]. Anyway, so, I was thinking about how many tree I get and how that [unk] always get. It's like very Islamic art [unk] before. I think I thought that people in my life were just super intuitive than like-- I don't know. It's just-- It's like [unk] this awesome like art personality or something. -Right. Insensitive. -but I'm pretty sure [unk] that's what I like 'cause I had tattoos. I just realized that stuff. -Yeah. -[unk] guys. -That's awesome, though. Hey, as long as you like the gifts. -Yeah. Do you have something like that? When I was really young, I was obsessed with penguins and I wanted to like-- I wanted my mom to like adopt a penguin so I would have a brother and-- -Oh. -I remember like my mom got me a few penguin dolls, and then after that, people thought I had a penguin collection and it really was and it was like $3 a day I'd had from my mom, and after that, everyone started buying me like penguin pot holders, penguin salt and pepper shakers, penguin figurines, like penguin pencil toppers and things like that. And I guess it sort of cultivated this interest in penguins for me because, at that time, I was like, "Okay, I guess I love penguins now." So, I did look more into it after that. -I had a roommate who had a duck bathroom and everything became ducks. She's just like, "I didn't really care that much about ducks,-- -Yeah. -but suddenly, like, everyone visits my home and goes to the bathroom and then wants to give me a duck." -Yeah. It's a very mom thing to subscribe to like one design piece. -Yeah. -You know what I mean, like, "Oh, I'm obsessed with the roosters in the kitchen." And then two months later, everything in the kitchen is rooster thing. What about you, Richard? Do you have anything that you collect or that people buy for you constantly? -No. I don't think I do. -Yeah. -It's Disney for me. -Oh, yeah. -When I was growing up, it was like, "Oh, get Bridget something at Disney." And I didn't mind it-- -Yeah. -'cause I was obsessed. So, I was like, "Good, good job on reading my obsession. I'm a happy camper." -Well, that's good 'cause there's so much in the Disney Universe for you. -Yeah, exactly. -and there's a Disney Store too. Do they still have those in the mall? -Yeah. Yeah, but it's mostly kid focused now. It used to be good half and half where you can get adult stuff too, but not anymore. -Oh, really? -It's about the kids. -I don't know. When I was a kid, I just went straight for the stuffed animal like-- -[unk] -[unk] that they had there. It's so great. It was like a fountain of stuffed animal stores. -I know. -I love those. All right. So, next voicemail we have is from an unknown caller. He doesn't really say his name in the voicemail, but here he is. -Hey, Justin, Bridget, and Richard Peterson. How are you guys? You're doing a great job this week. Regarding the iPhone discussion you were having, I wouldn't personally wanna have a gold-plated anything, especially since [unk] live in New York, so people would probably snatch those whatever. -Uh-huh. -But anyway, keep up the good work, even though Justin is already out having a great time, you guys can have a great time soon. You guys do. So,-- -Yeah. -keep up the good work. I'll keep listening. Have a good-- -All right. Thank you, caller. Unknown mystery caller. -We're gonna have a totally awesome party. We're like, "Oh, you guys weren't here for that thing that we did" or we're gonna just make it up, like, it was so epic. -Yeah. -It was the most epic thing. Nothing like this will ever happen again. -We'll have to make a bunch of stories. But you know what, he brings a good point about the gold iPhone. I don't know anybody that would actually buy something like that. Me, personally, I'm waiting for a titanium iPhone. That would be awesome if they made the case out of titanium 'cause it's lightweight and it's super durable. You could drop it without a case. I don't have to worry about the screen if they put Gorilla glass on there. That's what I want. -I'm telling you the big-- the big question is gonna be, will that gold scratch off easily? -Oh, there's nothing worse. Do you ever-- you ever see girls carrying around like clutches that are gold-- -Uh-huh. -painted, but then there's-- and they get scratches on them,-- -And there's like scratch. Yeah. -but oh, those scratches-- they gross me out. -Okay. You're like you have an issue. -I'm repulsed by then. Yeah. I don't know it's some kind of phobia. -Oh, but man-- I mean, I think it's fine to have a slight, you know, tint to the covering, but I know, if it's gonna be scratched, you're not gonna be happy no matter what-- -Yeah. Yeah, I agree. -and you're gonna get a case and then no one's gonna know you have a gold phone. Oh. -Right, so forget it. -I'm like-- -What about like a silver or a copper phone? Would you be into that? -I'd do copper. -Yeah? -Well, see, I like them all, like I don't mind doing it. It's different. It's refreshing. I just mean about how easy it is to get nicked. -I just want new stuff. -I want a brass phone,-- -Yeah. -like-- make it look like a trumpet or something like that. -You want a gigantic phone. This is why you don't work for Apple. Our last one of the day is from Brandon. Brandon has comments about a story we talked about the other day as well. Here he is. -Hi, guys. Just listening to-- Oh, this is Brandon from Milwaukee by the way. -Uh-huh. -And I listened at the 1324. In reference to Bridget asking the guy can she have something, probably, the reason he said anything is possible because you asked can it happen. I always get on wife about this. So, when you're ordering from a restaurant, or what not, the proper way to ask for your meal is, I'll have. -Uh-huh. -There's no need to ask for it, just tell them what you want. Other than that, I love the show, guys. Keep up the great work. -I like that. So, Brandon is referencing your story the other day about-- -Yeah. Can I? -Burger King and you-- What did you say? -I mean-- I mean, he's probably saying like when people say, "Can I get something?" -Right. -You know, it's a matter of like linguistics to be like, "Well, you can. May I?" you know. -Yeah. So, what did the guy say when you wanted to order. -All right. So, I went up to the counter and I was like, "I'm just gonna get-- I just wanna get one of those soft serve cones," okay, you know. -Uh-huh. Yeah. -And then he goes, "Anything is possible." And then the girl next to him goes, "Anything is possible? It's like no never-ending story. What do you mean, anything is possible?" She's just like going off on him for his weird comment and he was hysterical. It was the best ice cream I ever had at Burger King, but yeah, I remember growing up. My mom was always like, "It's not can I. It's may I," and you know. -Right, right. Maybe, we should have an etiquette section on how to order at Burger King or fast-food restaurants 'cause I guess there is a way to ask or don't ask. He says just give them your order. -I'll have. -Yeah. Let me get this ice cream, or if you are gonna ask may I versus can I. -Yeah. -There's always a smart ass that say that, right? -Yeah, I can, but should I? -Yeah. I hate that. Shut up. Give me my ice cream. Take my money. Well, that's the end of the show for today, you guys. We've got no more stories left, but thanks for the voicemail everyone that left them for us. If you wanna leave your own voicemail, you could do that. Give us a call, 1866-404-CNET or you can e-mail us a message and we'll read it for you on the air because you're lazy. It's firstname.lastname@example.org. We're also starting to read tweets as well, so don't think we don't monitor those. If you tweet us, we'll check it out and maybe read them on the air too. It's @the404. Check out our subrating as well. Finally, last thing I wanna say about this and we'll keep pimping it all week, but we're still running our Powerocks contest, you guys. So,-- -Shiny. -this is a great way to get a little shiny device that helps charge your own electronics, your phone, your mp3 players, wireless headphones, whatever unit that uses a mini-USB, plug it into this guy and you can charge several devices at a time. That's really cool. We have five of these to give away. All you gotta do to enter that contest, just go to last Wednesday's episode. Last Wednesday was the 14th, go to 14th and just leave a comment. That's it. That's what you gotta do. It's really easy to enter this contest. -If they leave a mean comment, do they get disqualified or can they be really mean? -Say whatever you want. You know, I'm gonna regret doing this, but say whatever you want. No guarantee that you'll win if it's extra mean, but you can do that to enter if you like. -That's 'cause this is America. -Yeah. -You could do what you want. -These colors don't run. And so, you have about, what, two more days-- well, not, I guess five more days with the weekend included 'cause we'll announce the winners on Monday when Jeff gets back. That's on Monday, the 26th, so check out that show here if you won. That's gonna do it for us today, you guys. Thanks again, Richard and Bridget, for joining me today. -Much obliged. -Yes, yes, yes. -Richard, again,-- -It's always great being here. -great job being here. -Thank you. -Yes, yes. Very positive attitude here in the podcast studio this morning. I like that. So, we'll be back tomorrow with another show. I'm Justin Yu. -I'm Richard Peterson. -And I'm Bridget Carey. -It's The 404, high tech. It's also low brow. See you guys tomorrow.