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Buzz Out Loud: Ep. 1307: A zero-day porn moment

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Buzz Out Loud: Ep. 1307: A zero-day porn moment

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On today's Buzz Out Loud, Jason confesses his noob security mistake, Consumer Reports wants the world to know they STILL don't recommend the iPhone 4. Plus, Mark Zuckerberg's Hollywood moment isn't going to be as fun as he hoped, and we predict the MPAA will go nuclear if rumors of a permanent HDCP crack are true.

Since September 14 -- -- -- now I'm Donald bell I am Hollywood welcome to buzz out loud to that podcast -- indiscriminately -- episode thirteen 107. Parade is at demo. Because sometimes like to go do real work. I I I I. Happen and it. I didn't know that the demo is a thing happens here is like at a demo -- -- -- no way that Jambo LO easily live halo reach a demo actually should definitely come blaming him it's gonna. Now demo is -- conference where. New up coming businesses kind of show off their stuff and then sometimes like I think last year -- was -- shown off the abdominal super secret -- It's definitely think it's worth covering -- you follow Rick on Twitter twitter.com slash street -- get a whole stream the things that's happening there. The doing the things that's happening and he's tapping at the demo them alias then thing that's happened hair there with the -- and that's where he has. Yeah we're gonna flail helplessly without him -- Oh fun doing it now. -- know exactly we had a whole talk about eighty scratches an hour on the tech news. For example. Apple announced yesterday we mentioned on the show that they will be ending their free bumper. Give away Nomar bumpers so you know free bumpers for you. As of September 30 which immediately -- consumer reports that -- -- say they're getting quite media savvy over a consumer reports. You announce that they -- to reiterate. That they. -- not recommend the iPhone for. In light of them ending the pre -- -- going back to recommending duct tape now yes -- and saying we don't think he's about a because they they basically -- look at that offer free bumper to fix this is I got -- -- of solution in and out of the solution and if it's not free then you know frenetic. And it's not that you can't get it for free I didn't realize this you just have to jump through extra hoops right is if you too. What's that since I don't at all -- -- and explain the problem. And then. Then you can -- you just have to say they're having a problem you deal out of your way to do it and a lot of users won't know that any idea. He just hold it cantonment in the store yeah who doesn't know yeah. -- really. -- you don't know that the Jesus -- have a design filing where do you live you know but consumer reports that by putting the onus on any owners of a product obtaining remedy to -- -- was not acceptable to us. We therefore continue not to. There's what I mean about immediate -- right here -- -- we therefore continue not to recommend the iPhone four and call on Apple to provide a permanent fix for the -- receptionist. Permanent fix being iPhone for the next generation. I haven't put you are already over evil for that -- Though we will we also will be waiting for a month or not. There was a New Yorker profile of Mark Zuckerberg that was circulating yesterday and people are happily. And I appreciate this breaking down -- fourth for example in this interview he did admit that he once called users of its popular social networking site. -- -- There was and it appear -- is actually there is that -- dominant. FaceBook letters -- -- and RR I believe we characterize it on the show as -- ducts. There was there was an -- thread someone had released that I am thread purportedly between him and another person. Where he was basically bragging about all of the personal information that he was getting users to turn over. Of this -- service then and to look at what I would they do that annually ROW looks. So any said in this interview -- -- it's true I did I I did -- they were dumb they were kinda. They still are they -- it that you know that's when that's. I was young and stupid but now that I'm a very mature incredibly grown up 26. Have a few more -- who made words they can use them of eight to replace that particular -- I've learned a lot less -- pretty much think that -- parties the. They and the article goes on to quote a source who says look -- a lot more damning items out there. And and it's interesting that he's doing this interview now and I think it's it's probably part of what isn't going to be a concerted ongoing attempt. To improve his image because apparently some screeners who have seen. The social networks say. -- -- Let's just as brutal as Mark Zuckerberg with the public and is a preemptive strike of that the murder of his reputation that's gonna happen because of this and the -- I think. Do you think that a movie like this would really have that much effects on Alec Zuckerberg. I think people already kind of thing it's about it right right I mean yet. So far been pretty impervious to -- the bad press yeah. Especially would -- consider all the privacy stuff but they're. -- -- as resilient as ever they really -- is one of those things that were people that the vast majority of users don't think of the man behind. That service that these. -- a majority of people -- -- and once there is kind of you know years you can't help but beaten about the what could be this. Yeah impeached at this seems kind -- you -- dumb ass yeah then -- -- in my AP the experiential bit boring I hate those -- of since it do you think the majority of people are actually gonna go out to a movie about FaceBook. I mean like I a lot of people are gonna and if you think about it right potentially. Let's say half of the -- the FaceBook user base goes to see this. Right half of them are engaged enough in it in the idea FaceBook in their you know they've they've seen the privacy concerns and whatever and and like one and -- I'm -- that's 250 million people right well I'll say this -- incumbent Debbie downer but we -- a culture that loves to see people fall we are. Photo quality will come out just to see that happen yep we like to build an up and turned I mean I do actually think that -- I think the movie is gonna be big. Because I think it's a really because FaceBook it's so hyper relevant to so many people and to the target kind of movie going demographic. And I actually am not totally sure that Mark Zuckerberg is going to survive. Like I think that this might the movie might finally you know I'm an you know I've been saying for months like they need to get a grown up and put -- -- -- -- -- but. And I think that there's enough of his DNA. On the site if you will and and that -- attitude toward users has been so public in the past few months. That. -- that it can it do. Damage that he can come up my my thinking but I like it and ahead. There rob that -- I think what it's gonna happen. Yeah it's pretty -- the season. According to the knowledgeable sources more the unpublished I -- that are cuper embarrassing. When they actually had a meeting between lawyers and FaceBook executives they review -- the messages. In a two hour meeting in January 26 at 2000 think. At the offices of Jim Breyer was the managing partner at excel partners which is their largest outside investor and he said you know everything -- -- 2006. I gave my competence -- him as CEO FaceBook is in no way -- can. But that's totally different and 500 million users thing like you've -- of the jerk. And he doesn't respect us and he's just gonna use our information however what he -- I still think there's another way to spin that's and I think you've probably got enough people he can paid just in this whatever way he won yeah which is you can be the tyrannical these -- You know that Steve Jobs CEO really yeah I'm a jerk and I helping with the gonna -- all the time that's part of methane Brenda. As opposed to being more of like that he's -- kind of in this. Make sweat shirt wearing -- nice teenage guy kind of five reasons bikinis to be the tyrannical dictators and just be that yeah. I do wonder though. Can you pull that off if your product isn't good. I mean Steve Jobs can only pull that off because you know the stuff pretty get right and -- and people are incredibly -- and about the product they people like to be on FaceBook. But. Pretty passionate about FaceBook and ended it when you consider all of -- were saying earlier all the bad stuff that's happened yet it still just as popular as that are. And many people would wonder what they would. What they would replace space but with now that they're using to YouTube used to using tools like -- now that they're totally. Addicted to it yet. Yet convincing also I'm I'm an early screening. But the social network do -- -- radio. We'll do with Canada as -- little -- -- us you know but element here you could be happening there -- I mean have a lot of -- we'll -- we'll bring our -- -- In other tech news today Wal-Mart has introduced its own wireless cellphone plan under its own Wal-Mart brands. So you can now get Wal-Mart branded family mobile service there -- -- definitely pitching it for families. And it is. Pretty cheap heard talking and texting. Yes and unlimited calling -- -- crossed 45 dollars a month for the first time in 25 dollars for each additional line for the family which is in fact. Really pretty incredibly -- especially considering that most plans don't include unlimited texting man at all. A comment I want this now now I'm looking at -- close them yeah -- not via it is their prepaid plans. And -- -- -- their post paid like conventional contract if -- can't plans but they don't come of the contract. Or early term termination is now so that's getting anything dividends on T-Mobile yet -- -- on T mobile's network. The catch. In case you're thinking -- hot damn I'm getting argue that is that they the data plans are. Ludicrously expensive. So that's definitely not like a -- from planet -- Even though that's -- own an example like that click. -- -- -- -- Yeah that's -- thing happens my plans but that the way that they're turning pretty. A single gigabyte costs forty dollars compared to 1850 gigs for -- time dollars a month or T-Mobile thirty dollars a month for unlimited data. But John Strickland McCarron points out that it it is this is problematic for the mom and pops up on companies like -- hee ha ha ha those -- in -- but you gotta wonder if like. The boost mobile and virgin mobile I mean that that. Wal-Mart is a pretty recognizable name absolutely -- people lying low and. Yeah but that's saved boost and version of kind of dug their own graves as -- as customer service is concerned -- -- my experience that like the prepaid services. These -- with not. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Betty they're cutting out there I'm not any cell phone service plan it out to get you gave him some him -- -- an infinite. I feel like a lot of the -- they want their pretty pretty vicious and Eagles remaining 3-D something trying to get money back on something -- port charge I dislike. I would rather deal to walk into a Wal-Mart talk to somebody about you know yeah and then -- it. -- in prepaid service I think this apology did he get at least Wal-Mart as it was being recognized name and brand. You know if it's something about there the prepaid plan is like. Malicious or poorly done -- someone complains about I don't find out every -- -- find out is also bad for their brand that the whole stretching out beyond you know just the phone service. Yeah I -- not that you know Wal-Mart and it is you know analysts. They're less evil than they used to be -- now this I I suspect -- will be very successful I mean there are still a lot of people out there who aren't consuming a lot of data. On their own then you know they say the cheapest -- for the service will be like -- Nokia for 35 bucks and they click. Like it it that they do of the click and it's 250 dollars from Wal-Mart where -- 330. From T-Mobile contract. So they're gonna be maybe discounting phones -- done done done and all my taking over for more. More than -- -- it Twitter decided that it also want. And hey oh yeah. Something. It's just really kind of beg the question like an earth. Could it possibly everybody's going to say I'm surprised. Actually legitimate is this September music I don't -- Al -- -- No it that Twitter headquarters and that all things. Yeah like -- yet other than that I don't know I hope -- the -- gonna kill off a whole bunch of other you know -- going to be on the platform to follow the I've been I think about -- those little like -- -- Twitter that the developers mingling mean. I'm sure that whatever that that'll be -- -- like. Oh cool. I bet they'll do their own picture uploading and killed twit -- and then do their own video think you interpret it all of what -- what. And then hopefully better search. And if and then them and they -- we want is better and mention vague talk about how they're gonna make the money and the keys a. I wish you should take -- that -- them. I I had few dollars on the picture thing. And because those like you know they've got -- data issues and. Now that is -- it now I like it. Aren't -- the -- that'll let you know tomorrow what happens all that I have not been invited. But I assume someone from years probably going by -- three children at the temple -- from -- -- -- yeah. -- -- -- -- -- -- Exciting rumor or news today -- from -- of the rumor mill content contempt and. Who could do it we gotta and the fact that effect for the remote Tibetan people and O'Donnell ethnic. Anyway and -- reporting that there are. Increased rumors about a supposedly master key that would. Hopefully released and on rot unlocked HDTV copy protection -- this is the dreaded HD CP that is hard wired into you. Hardware baked -- hardware and HDMI cables. And that sometimes causes you to put in in perfectly good Blu-ray disc. And then get the fact -- and it TVM playback anything because -- HD CP shake it it held in the -- -- because this one can hold this one new and in this one is new and and it's just one of those and here and things. That everyone freaking -- right and they don't just hated because they want to rip and pirate their dvd if they hate it because frequently African dvds all. Or -- -- -- pirated dvds or just two right or they just plain wanna rip them right rate lighten up and not necessarily pirate to yes rip them. Yes so there who discovered this mastered -- suppose that master key which by the way is apparently being reported primarily and and what technique they use is not immediately clear although people have been they've people security researchers have proposed proposed for a long time that. It that it could be a simple matter of kind of flashing not the year hardware. Flashing -- rob. And -- -- using a new key. So your your Tivo or some active hypothetically start encoding. Like unprotected and hear -- yeah video content. And might have otherwise that's the opening jailbreak -- -- all -- -- an out right Saturday jail broken before -- cottage industry in -- -- me for team though you'll download the new jailbreak laws and allow or number presumably they'll. Actually presumably they would and maybe that's why. You know the tweeters are coming on the -- -- -- -- okay you can. If you are legally allowed to jailbreak -- your hardware then here you go here's another one it would though it would basically allow permanent in imperfect high Def copies of anything. As long as the current connector standard stayed the -- yeah but right now the only law aside from like software loopholes -- -- -- on your computer. Via other loophole it's like that analogue Alan hall. Which -- PA is hoping. They know they got the FCC basically to agree to selectively reach into your house and disable your output. Those -- slows your ear analog hole. And there and a half. Shut your analog hole that shocking. An outrageous that the FCs even agreed that at all that be a pig in there -- that's how you can get movies while you're while they're still in theaters they're Republican Max Headroom I contend the volume down on -- No you certainly can turn TVs -- some -- -- and he's really yeah I remember that though that one of the things in the future you can't turn the volume down or shut off your television. That sounds fine I can imagine that actually it HD CP is permanently cracked them. That that the MPAA will impact on nuclear and headline get rid of making great -- crazy production day they will. Lose their ever loving mind they will carpet bomb America with insanity because -- to be like right no movie's for you ever ever. You know what I mean doing dvds as well you can -- and I think -- the exact. I go back -- -- is what. -- -- Because that. Wow -- that the theory of nuclear new Koehler. It's pronounced new Miller stand up for -- now. In other dvd is there are reports that Google TV -- officially launching on October 17. There was a an internal best -- document. -- disclosing that the original plan launched it was October 3 but it has been mysteriously pushed by two weeks which would put it at. If you're good at math means which -- not seventeenth and I'm not get credit happening and then. Leo so we will see. Call four digit been holding out on in the Apple TV deceive the cool PB yeah. -- more more worth your attention I know it's like all of the -- -- that purchase decision. Towards the end of October there's this embarrassment of -- now because -- got Apple TV -- who Boxee box coming out November you can -- -- expensive. It a little bit expensive and -- shape and cheaper than. But cheaper than Google TV. -- TV and I'm really curious to -- with the. Yesterday there were reports that Microsoft's. Was being used as basically a patsy for Russian investigators. Who were invading. Dissident. Homes and businesses in computers and arresting people her for speaking out against the government. The pretext they were using for that was to say well -- -- told us that you're using unlicensed software. Or where you know we're rating you can we can you think we think you're doing mass pirating of Microsoft software. And today in response that Microsoft announced that it will start issuing blanket software licenses to nonprofit groups and journalist groups outside the US. So that authorities who were actually hoping to crack down on free speech right. -- not use software piracy as an excuse they'll have to come up with another lame excuse exactly I'm sure they'll -- -- -- he inhibit it's patently. Or they'll stop coming up with excuses I only governments of of them clearly Russia to the Microsoft pirating angle to break on -- -- like that -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I think the reason Microsoft responded so quickly is because the story yesterday -- saying that their lawyers were basically in cahoots with -- and and -- can actually see exactly how this happened this is what has happened as a result of us. Exporting our intense -- -- of piracy in all forms across the the world is that the authorities are able to say. Well Microsoft we think that they could be pirating. And then you know -- lawyers were like well if you think that they're pirating your software than I guess you have to. Deal with that right they're not gonna try to stand in the way of actual piracy investigations drive and and far be it from members of their intended sort through which ones are legit and which ones aren't like you can sort of see how. They would find -- government situation but it's terrible precedent. Then of course that is like. I think to -- the blanket and. License for NGOs and that's actually a really smart solution. That's safer from Microsoft this is my solution -- They'll break down the doors of late NGOs and irony in our -- read his stuff. And -- I'm -- here you're Jack booted bugging freedom fighters in the name of Microsoft off. -- -- How about if that now. That they maybe I'll be actually -- -- about it -- -- -- the -- -- profits is they have like peeled. This logo -- isn't the right at the south not using anymore. Meals and there they are at the -- -- and and in not in our name. The good for that on the other Microsoft news according to Nielsen being. Has. Past Yahoo! to become the number and choose search engine for intentional search for a -- and that accident I don't know and I love that. Yahoo! has seen its share slipped two point nine percentage points while being has gained 3.2. And is in the number two spot. Way way way way way way to hire some deal where Bing was actually going to be supplying search for Yahoo! him anyway. The winner they haven't figured together that. I mean yeah Aaron it is -- the other out because Yahoo!'s still has Yahoo! branded search site. So you can so go to Yahoo.com I -- -- search. And then -- their -- instantly people are going to be. As a destinations I think maybe that it doesn't HI yeah the destination part -- it's -- destination search. Google is still -- additional destinations and we still exist in the realm of destination search. Oh but. And then Google still the dominant market leader with roughly 65%. Of the market. Way way way way security news today Adobe is warning of a zero day hole in the flash player we totally looked up zero day. I'm glad I cannot tell us that is worthy you've heard a million times these kept happening in my view what Sony is -- equity of the verbalize -- like hello. Just -- someone in our travels like exactly does the sailors and -- -- I I I I enjoy playing the idiot who's in the room was as they I had no idea to -- explain and then we're all like. Utterly don't -- look look it up -- eight hours -- like well like you know for like right now. I was -- when did they like at that of the Elijah page type thing like -- -- zeroes -- -- -- weed them out there off and they're quite out of the eyes and you minus one my nerd -- all you wanna -- -- -- the chat room but it but nobody ever and they just say it. All the China they just say it it just means that it came out like you know that -- before a security fix is available. But anyway this -- -- about apparently it can be it could allow an attacker to take control of the computer. It -- that the current version of -- -- -- on ten point one does not need to about them that. An earlier versions for pretty much every platform windows Mac Linux select an Android. And they are not anticipating a fixed until the week of September 27 -- Be careful. With the old flash player that now the deal plus there there which we thought we compelled to mention because we -- that but. Interesting really interesting -- that post about. I was actually from an SF weekly story about Zynga. Because the thing is the maker of farm -- -- mafia wars as you know and there are huge San Francisco business now -- and there certainly in. The return of the dotcom era. And they have a couple of interviews with former -- workers. -- David basically. That's the secret to -- -- success -- steal other people's games. Shamelessly. Blatantly. Constantly. And it's a fairly wildly successful then yeah if there's a formula that works -- you can't really do anything about it than. Yeah it's I'm I'm I think it's a -- -- -- all this time. As someone comes -- is copied everything and -- sets everybody out. And then make millions of dollars via it is fascinating. As a -- they did -- extensive article on their aggressive business practices and a lot of there. Employees painted a picture of the company more concerned with the bottom line -- with ethics. -- -- to the sleeping and about a money right now. -- -- that -- like cardboard box a couple years ago now suddenly it's the swing out the best anti corruption -- on the the smell of a -- of money. I it would make me wanna copy someone else's work -- -- line that paperwork one former employee and fluffy. Do because otherwise you know you know they -- -- adding that all the eight -- that gets a little rough it gets smashed down and and it's just like -- They could they went of the complaint quoted -- -- CEO mark -- as saying I don't -- want innovation here outsmarted any competitor just copy what they do we do it until you get their numbers. Okay then I mean not unreasonable I'm glad we gotta see I mean that -- -- same mind. -- Apple time. Farm bill in particular has been called a blatant copy of farm town which was developed by an independent developer called slash key. That one there are also facing one lawsuit -- mafia wars of the trademark and then they will be facing another for the content of the game itself. Anyway the this this it's pretty -- like that the plane is like I think it's most evil place I've ever been and I -- my friends not to work there. -- but I'll do a little money how long had that been like I think for of the -- I think -- -- Atari -- can't aliens yeah yeah like copycats of like pac man and of my glove isn't out yet active. Whatever you know in pole position -- eaten and I think it's been a series of copies and he would try to do the same thing in and -- old patterns and but there. That if that -- they'll only be deals -- much obscene money thing is -- and I know exactly by annoying if all the death on FaceBook like that's the real crime here. I mean you know. If they -- stuff they'll get sued. And then all of them though just make them go away but I think this would result is that whatever that thing means the woman was probably stole from the law enforcement people that -- -- -- expected some 1978. You know -- Yeah obviously if everything conservative from pop and a half and I just driven even songs. Works of art in in my belief that turns out. Ha -- latent written -- yeah you know while my son and I were Mona Lisa that's your pocket and. And from the department of died today McAfee put out a study that says that adding the word. Free -- looking for entertainment content and search engines greatly increases the chance of landing on a site hosting malware. That's right when you search for free stuff a lot of time -- It just you move ahead and you've -- -- that's appeared. Why do that but it -- it's actually really interest in searching for free music ringtone increases the chances of having a malicious site by 300%. Searching for leader. On a particular artist is twice as risky as searching for ringtone for in the same artist for the perspective to the results we -- -- leader small. -- free -- that I guess because lyrics are not really allowed anyway great thing is sort of -- to be ante by nature and help them. Including the term mp3 increases the risk in as a music searches in general and then they said that there's been a 40% increased number of -- that are delivering. Infected MP3 files or that seem to be built for purposes of financial -- or delivering power you know okay is it time for me to tell my -- -- here. Okay I our. I think a lot of us has first hand knowledge of the dangers bielsa yesterday -- I was working a little bit on this insurer for the new gadgets best compilation I want to get the songs be perfect for -- I go to Google -- put in the name of the song and you know MP3 and totally -- you know I know not to do this that I did it anyways like I'll -- I'll be defined it. Totally you know follow through click the link to download in the Firefox does this and this you know the full screen pop up and that you can't acts out and get rid -- -- suddenly the screens filled with porn. And sit in my desk like a -- -- Right to the power button had to wait the five seconds which seemed like an eternity for it actually shut off. Luckily -- side -- -- yeah. It don't think it got me pirated Saturday -- whatever I Orlando zero day Adobe Flash exploit ITT I think that's probably want to ask. First instances of that being -- -- -- -- -- it as urinate -- moment and yeah I don't have to do that. And I didn't want to do that and now -- reward you know soon. I think I'm glad the rumors that Jason Howell looking upon the computer because he's leaving and non alignment palette title that that was kind of sketchy now on how to weed out of the disease if it or I guess he's not gonna be here I always Wii just doesn't care -- care -- you're never gonna impact that is get a leg. A -- that machine CNET when -- heartland. I'm -- the buyers without this computer. I'm sorry about your search for free music all day yeah yeah. I have the highest ever at that data. -- that ran into points or so authority. Onto the emails buzz that cnet.com is our address -- this -- -- to use -- okay some buzz -- cool and this is cool I thought you might be interested this is filmed in the Frazier. -- that -- for your -- in British Columbia Canada and ditched in the -- China Bart tunnel on highway one just north of it's buzz some yes this -- -- -- town -- of them. You I love gull wing doors to begin with and commercial makes me drool for the car more than socially acceptable. And Maliki -- had to stop laughing at the name that town. Adequately defend this kind of in edge average Linksys security wise than -- with a little bad at them. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- if it's an ad for okay and also I can't believe they're advertising. The Mercedes that -- MG because that's just mean. But this. It's awesome we doubt -- you know we don't know if it's taken this -- I'm pretty sure we're kind of assuming as I understand I don't know for sure I don't -- But you know it's -- makes a good. What fast and furious seen. I. Must have must have. Firemen in total. And and totally realistic I -- -- -- Yeah that totally -- Happens. It is that -- can do that if you get this guy -- market due to that -- -- that Tom -- moustache of cars it is. That let it be fed in that car has the planted Aston Martin as my lottery I realize now you're -- about the URL because -- -- Mercedes role but each being that would be it a Rick roll out. -- Paul Horn role or if I mean we know it's an advocate and we haven't investigated they continued I'm sure it's the fake it -- who freaking cares for me just -- like the THX 1138. You know. Gone with a tunnel. Raising such and music. -- -- -- -- moving on an email Graham frightens -- just adding tamales rant about Android fragmentation why it's annoying. Is the support burden it puts on corporate IT staff and and when under advanced exchange active sync integration and is thrilled adage or supported devices here work but because it's -- HTC -- motor blurs Samsung TouchWiz that. That happens they override the stock -- -- -- calendar apps -- -- -- naps while there's still theoretically providing exchange active sync. Are broke it. So nothing popped properly some -- talked to the global address -- -- only -- you think of what exchange -- -- defense. Sometimes you can get around this by side loading dock apps back in but if there's a carrier data can break the -- but -- -- -- because they weren't updated in the carrier date. I'm all for open as a member of the platform particularly you have to be a geek to get Android phones to work and we want them to or the way they were supposed to where they got skin with crappy third party. It's true but I gotta say. We were like rinse and repeat on the fragmentation in the scanning issue but the fact that it is that much of a problem in corporate environments. Is pretty months. Well a problem. Yeah the deal breaker and a that it can -- do over I mean it in unless your company is going I'll Google apps. But even then the star web OS. Somebody you don't know -- -- yeah. -- -- ridiculous to say this everyone Nexus One. But it it -- -- kind of calls out four's some manufacturers to. Set themselves apart from the pack by releasing develop. -- yeah which it seems like they're all moving away from that and. There is a need for Vanilla Android and now it's pretty -- only the drives now -- the term Android one into and then the Nexus One yeah I think benefit minimum 900 leaves them. Interesting interesting point and that of our show for today you can find all the links to everything that we talked about including -- known -- the link to watch that video over and over again. At our blog -- -- that he didn't like -- you can email us with your thoughts on everything we discussed today and really like whatever and -- cnet.com. College that when he hundreds excellent 62638. And follow some -- -- twitter.com slash Hollywood I'm at Donald well revealed -- and because soon and I'm more I don't Bowman and is Donald I thought I'd do yeah it's really -- you just -- -- he's an owning -- cost them.

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