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CNET Live: March 13, 2008 Molly and Brian talk DIY dentistry, Hulu haps, and explore the surprising 'Tech of the Irish.'
[ Music ] ^M00:00:08 >> Coming up on CNET Live painless shots. >> And a device that lets you be your own dentist. >> Yea. >> Oh. >> Plus the tech of the Irish. And we're not talking pub layer unfortunately. All that and more coming up on CNET Live. ^M00:00:24 [ Music ] ^M00:00:31 >> Hey folks welcome to CNET Live with guess who, the prodigal son and. >> And Molly Woods. >> Molly Woods. >> I don't know what this guy's doing trying to come up on my show. >> Okay, this is the Molly show I just hang out in it once in a great while. Good to be back here on the set. And I've been gone a long time. The Mallster has been doing yomens work along with Dr. Merit who of course is off today. That's why you've got the two of us. He's off on spring training, big baseball week for him. >> This is like his year. He's gonna make the pros. >> Of course he is. >> It's gonna happen. >> Of course he is. >> He can't take the show anymore. >> That's really, what it is, yes. The pros of the bullitics [assumed spelling] league that's what he's really gonna try and make. >> Yeah. >> So, the phones are open. You know how we do it around here triple eight 900-CNET, triple eight 900-2638. >> Cheryl's gonna be answer the those calls as she always is. There she is. >> There's Cheryl, hello Cheryl. Okay ready to roll right after we take a look at a couple of things we crave. [ Music ] >> Alrighty crave toys every week we bring them to you from the CNET Crave blog at crave.CNET.com. I have the unenviable task of going into your mouth for the first one. Ha, oh there it is. The endocam, which I thought about this could have different meanings to different people. If you're a hip hop fan, it sounds like a big old camera on the end of a blunt. If you're a motor cross rider, it sounds like a camera that goes on your handlebars. Or, if you're a dentist endodontics is where this endo comes from. So, all you other endo fans relax. It isn't that kind of endo. So, here we got with this thing you plug into a standard, what do they call it, a base band video jack, a yellow RCA. And it will then take video right out of this little camera and put it up on, you know, a screen, a video recording program on your PC. I know a lot of you want to look into your mouth. I know you do. Just like she's doing right there, that's how you use it. That just isn't right. >> I don't like it. >> It's not right. >> I don't wanna see that. Why do you need to do this at home, oh my goodness. >> Because the mirror, because the mirror fogs up. That's why I love this. The mirror fogs up. And this, I assume, doesn't. >> There's a reason it fogs up you're not supposed to be looking inside your mouth. >> You wanna get behind these. >> You have specialists to do it. >> You get behind theses here. It's hard to see back there and make sure you've got all your little business done. >> I don't know, I don't know. >> It's really gross but of course, it's the Miharu intra oral camera, which in a week of Eliot Spitzer headlines I'm just gonna leave right where it is. What do you got Mo? >> I actually I'm gonna spend my evenings not looking deep into my own molars. >> Good. >> But killing little kids on this website. >> How happy is that? >> It's good times. So, it's not enough that we have perfectly ergonomically designed game controllers that have multiple buttons and perfect little rocker javies [assumed spelling] >> They spent millions of dollars to invent. >> That's right. They're insufficiently sensitive for awesome killing and or escape from snipers. >> That would be you. >> So, that's why I am frequently killed by snipers. I need the SPS freak. I know I don't condone the spelling but I do like the idea. >> Yeah nice. >> It's a little knobby that goes over top of the other little knobbies there and then. >> Well, it's a clip it's a snap on. >> Knobby. >> Knob thing. >> Yeah. >> For your little controller. >> And then it's a more sensitive knobby. >> Oh, it amplifies the, the, the accuracy. >> Yeah the sensitivity. >> Of your thing. >> It's turns out, I read this on the crib log, the first 20 percent of the range of motion is the hardest because of spring resistance, it's like vague steering. >> Yeah. >> It's like movie steering in a car. And so when you're like moving your things like the first 20 percent you don't actually move in the game and then that's when you get shot. >> So, this is where you get to where you can accelerate into the useful part of the motion of the controller. >> Yes, useful being not getting killed. >> And getting into the pointing and get to the shooting. >> Yeah. >> Get to the killing better faster. That's our motto around here. >> For ten bucks. >> For ten dollars a pair, you gotta love that. >> Ten dollars for [inaudible] of killing. >> Ah so, there's a couple of whacky things to crave. We hope you crave them too, although if you don't we wouldn't be too surprised. >> Let's get to your calls at triple eight 900-CNET. Let's see who we take for our first call of the day always a special moment. Let's go to Alex. He's in Pennsylvania. Question about a laptop computer but he wants to play it close to the wallet. Hello Alex, welcome to CNET Live. >> Hi. >> How you doing? What's on your mind today? >> I have a question about a Barebones laptop. >> What are you thinking? >> I'm not sure, sure where to get them. I've seen them on the internet but I haven't actually been able to buy one anywhere. >> Now, by Barebones do you mean you're trying to hit a certain super low price point? Or you want a machine that's particularly simple in it's hardware which is usually kind of the same thing? What do you, what do you mean by Barebones? >> I just want something that I can kind of put together myself. >> Oh, so you just want to buy like a chasse and start adding stuff to it like build your own kind of white box machine. >> Pretty much, yeah. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> That's a little different. >> So then, what's the part you wanna buy the chasse? >> Just the case. >> Okay. Let's see. >> Hum, I gotta say. I don't know the idea of getting what they call a white box PC is very common for a desktop machine where you got down to, you know, the computer store and you buy the chasse. It may have the power supply in it. But maybe that's it. And then you go mother board drive we all know the drill. I don't know that I've ever actually seen that at least not in this country although I hear it's done a little more commonly in other parts of the world. You can get very basic machines. But I still don't know if it's really a build your own laptop because notebook computers have very specific form factor of the internal components especially mother boards. They're married to the case very specifically because they're all proprietary. >> That's right. >> At least many of them are. >> It sounds like some manufacturers are starting to get in the game though a little but with some white box at least chasses. You can rjtech.com is one resource that I found that does appear to sell some of those white box sort of just a starter kit. >> Yeah. >> For building your own laptop. And then there's notebookforums.com which just has a lot of information about building your own machine. It probably has some links to stores where you can at least, you know, start buying the building blocks. >> Yeah and also, check out a site called laptop logic which has a couple of tutorials I just found here. I haven't run through these to tell you if they're good or not. But they step through the idea of where to get components to build up a laptop a DIY machine. The question I have for you though is, is it going to be worth it? If you're doing it just as a project that's cool. But if you're doing it to save money, you know, we like machines in the 700 dollar range maybe even less like a Dell Inspiron 1525 series, 750 with a good configuration with a cord two duo two gig of ram. Is that right for that price? >> Yeah. >> That's really good. >> You know and that's always the question with a DIY thing, a build your own PC versus the build your own notebook is if you're trying to get better performance for a lower price a lot of times if you're buying those components separately you're not going to. [ Talking at once ] >> Right. >> Right I mean this is just economics about tech. But anyway, those are a couple of ideas but you know we don't really, I don't know. We haven't really had a lot of experience with building up laptop because that's not really, where the sweet spot is on those. >> It's just not done Alex. >> Okay so stop being so cantankerous. Coming up we'll be talking to News.com's Mike Kanellos [assumed spelling] he just got back from an interesting multi tech trip to Ireland where he found some cool stuff from one end of the technology spectrum to the other. But first, Bonnie Cha has a cool first look of the newest member of the Blackberry family. Check it out. [ Music ] >> Hi, I'm Bonnie Cha Senior editor at CNET.com and today we're taking a first look at the Rim Blackberry Pearl 8120 for AT and T. It's been a while since the carrier has had a new Pearl and from the design, it looks pretty much the same. But, inside it's got some nice stuff going on. First of all, it now has integrated wifi so that's an alternative to surfing the web versus edge speed so the wifi should provide you with faster web browsing. And so they've made some enhancement to the web browser. You know, Blackberry hasn't had the best browsers in the world but it's improved here. And you've got a nice new interface as well. You've got this L shaped icon if you want to choose that. Also, it has a two mega pixel camera now and you can record video which is new. Otherwise, you know, I would've like to see maybe some three G or GPS but, you know, the Blackberry Pearl's been really popular and I think these editions will be nice. It's available now for 199.99 with a two year contract. Also offers pretty good call quality. So, if you really like the phone go ahead and get it. I'm Bonnie Cha this has been the first look at the Blackberry Pearl 8125. >> Thanks Bonnie. And let's get into our talk here about a very strange mix of technologies. Who else to bring that to us but Michael Kanellos from CNETnews.com? Mr. World Traveler, Mr. Tech Soaker Upper, he just got back from Ireland. >> Yeah. >> And I was looking at the list of stuff you saw. My little list right here has four things that are completely unrelated to the other three. One called a Porto a movie kios [assumed spelling]. >> Porto Media yeah it's kind of a fun start. Up here's kind of one thing they're doing. They're going to put Kias in convenience stores, retail outlets and things like that. >> Yeah. >> And they're packed with hard drives and it would hold about 300 to 1,000 movies. So, you say oh God I wanna win something tonight right. >> Yeah. >> And you just plug in this key. >> Okay. >> Click, you know, punch Shrek 3 and it's down in 17 seconds. >> Oh, fast download. >> Oh super fast download. I mean. >> Now, why wouldn't I bring my own USB drive? What's this thing do? >> They demote the chip for high speed sustained downloads, you know, basically. >> Oh, right. >> They were gonna sell it in a separate chip and they thought well let's get into the movie rental business first. Let's try this out. And it's, so it's much faster, it's must faster than downloads. >> That's ridiculous for a chip technology. >> Right. >> And besides the leverage of business out of it as well. >> Exactly. That's, it's more fun to a Sony Chip computer major so. >> So, it's kind of like a movie rental. You're gonna have a certain number of hours or days to watch it. >> Lent to buy. They're going to do trials and states in the next couple of months. >> Oh they are. >> Four cities. >> Oh yeah. >> Those are just out and we're gonna see it here. >> Oh yeah and you've got major studios that are backing this so you, and there's probably one or two other companies doing this. But it's pretty interesting. >> Now completely opposite direction. >> Right. >> You're huge on the energy and the green, and you saw away to make power out of just the rise and fall of the waves. >> Yeah, a company called Wavebob had a gullaway [assumed spelling] which is way in the west. >> Yeah. >> Right on the coast. And they had a big device and it's, and you can fit four people on it. >> Yeah. >> And it bobs up and down. And when it bobs up and down, it pressurizes a liquid. And then that liquid, the pressurized liquid turns to turban and that makes electricity. >> This big orange apparatus is what goes up and down in the ocean. >> Yeah. >> And what it's on like an arm or something? >> It's, it's only a chain. And it just, you know, there's a middle part that stays, that bobs one direction. >> Yeah. >> And the bigger one bobs outside of it and that's how you get the pressure. >> So, it's like a piston engine they turn up and down motion into turning motion. >> Right. >> At a turbon. >> Right, and the soft part is how do you put something in the ocean that's gonna stay there for 20 years. [ Talking at once ] >> Right and end up on your coast. >> Right. >> Now, this sounds like it needs really strong waves. >> They need really strong waves but that's why they do it there. You've got the strongest waves in the world hitting that coast. >> Yeah northern Atlantic. >> Yeah. >> That's the place where oil decks get torn down in storms. >> Right, and there's nothing between the ocean, Canada, and Ireland. They come sweeping across the ocean and the wind drives them and you get tons of energy. >> Does it sound to you like it's a big answer for a lot of areas or is it kind of a regional answer. Could be both. You know, their, their plan actually is to do a good portion of their grid. And they can do 70 percent of their electricity from the waves, you know if they really build it out. >> Well, that's a lot. >> But then they go further ashore, this is just near shore, if they go further ashore. >> Yeah. >> Possibly, they could export in other countries you know like England. >> That's the one thing we never run out of is the ocean. As far as we know it's never gonna stop rising and falling. >> Right, [inaudible]. >> The stuff of poetry. >> Yeah you can't do it everywhere in the world. >> So now, are you, of course you're just back from Ireland so you're probably having some sleep lag and some sleep depravation and jet lag. You saw a company diving into logging of sleep. >> Yeah, a company called Bianca Med. It's out of the University of, the University of Dublin. And the university there is basically trying to look at inventions and commercializing them. And what this is it's a, it's a motion sensor. And you put it in your bed and you got to sleep. And in the morning you get this printout on your computer and it tells you when you fell asleep, how long you slept, how efficient your sleep was. >> Just by motion sensing how your body moved and turned? >> How you went, and it even monitors your breathing. In fact, the baby monitor version, if your baby doesn't breath for ten seconds, you get a [inaudible] right away so that way you don't have to hover over the crib. >> Interesting. >> To make sure [inaudible]. >> Yeah, yeah. >> You just get this thing and you don't have to worry about sleep apnea. And insomnia's a big problem. And they're really gonna attack this. You may see health companies. >> Yeah. >> You see wire companies. No one's focusing on sleep so the said well. >> Yeah. >> Let's give it a whirl. >> It's amazing how much sleep ties into diet, fitness. >> Yeah. >> You go to the gym and you're working all the time you have still no energy and you don't realize. >> Right. >> A lot of it is because your sleep patterns are lousy. Diet also gets screwed up by sleep being all off. >> Right and you get sleep analysis now you have to stick electrodes in your head and [inaudible]. >> Those university experiments. >> Right. >> Who's going to do that? That's just weird. >> I know. >> I don't want them even watching me while I sleep. It's like it gives me the willies. Now I'm the worst about getting needles. >> Right. >> I hate going to the doctor if I have to get a needle. I'll avoid the doctor for a decade if I know they're going to draw blood or something or give me a shot. >> Right. >> You found a way to do injections painlessly. >> Yeah, it's a pack. It's all these little silicon needles, a few microns high, right. >> Yeah. >> You stick it on, and it creates holes in your skin and medicine can go through that. But the needles aren't deep enough to hit the nerves. So, basically you stick it on, the medicine goes in and you never get to the nerves beneath the skin. So, if you look at this it's like a patch with little needles on it. >> It is a patch. >> Right, can you even see the needles? >> No, it looks like fur. It looks like a Band Aid. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> So, it's like just the little tendrils of like a prickly weed almost. >> Exactly. You stick it on, in fact, you can rub it on and put only a patch with the medicine or the patch could have the medicine in it and it's time released. >> Okay now why is it better than the regular patch that people use today for nicotine? >> Those are molecules. The nicotine stuff. >> Yeah. >> Those are very little tiny molecules. This you can stick in like anti cancer drugs. You can stick in diabetes, diabetic medicine. >> Okay so big molecules don't go through the skin. >> Yeah, they just swim around and don't do anything. >> Well, they don't go through the hole. You need some penetration. >> Right. >> To go into the [inaudible] area. >> And it took a lot of like, it's basically silicon engineer. Semi connector designer they came up with a way to make these needles so they actually will, they'll be, the pull will be big enough and the hole will be big enough. >> So, it's kind of like growing a chip in a fab. >> Exactly. >> Just at a different end. >> Exactly. >> It's growing silicon. >> It's an angle I thought you know everyone's doing silicon, everyone's doing chips. >> Yeah. >> We're Ireland we've got 4.5 million people we better do something different because we cannot in volume with the Chinese or the Japanese or the Americans. >> This is great stuff. Mike thanks for coming by. >> Thank you. >> Mike Kanellos from CNETnews.com you can find all these stories over at news.com just go punch in his name. Every story that he does is fascinating. So just, start looking at them. And coming up in just a few, moments I'm gonna have this week's download of the week. [ Music ] >> The evolution of my Blackberry has really changed the way that I do business I don't think that I would've been able to accomplish the expansion of our company without the ability to communicate the way we do. ^M00:15:11 [ Music ] ^M00:15:24 >> Welcome back to CNET Live Ireland. Who would've thunk it? >> So many text and so diverse. >> I know exactly. >> A diverse technology isle they should call. >> It's fascinating. If you have a question for us about Ireland or anything else our phone lines are open 888-900-CNET 2638 give us a call. >> That's right. >> There's lines open this never happens. >> That's right we are, there's one line open grab it now because we're about to go through a hail storm of calls. But before we do that it's time for the download of the week. [ Music ] Okay CNET's download of the week download.com our good friends at download.com. So many people are, of course, obsessive on their RSS speeds. We all know how to get them on our desktop. There's a thousand good ways to do it. But what about your mobile? We've got an AP that does that. I like the free part of this. It's called VIIGO, I think, V I I G O. I show it here for Windows Mobile it's also out for your Blackberry. Now, this it the type of the actual interface so you can see real straight forward, not the prettiest thing but, you know, it gets the job done. And these are all the feeds that, you know, are just typically in your RSS reader already. You see a very simple count on the right for the number of feeds you got in there everything for rioters to technology whatever. It doesn't care obviously. It's a straight ahead reader. But, the free part is nice and they're giving some good thumbs up on this over on download.com. This one is a very good simple sharp tool to get your RSS feeds to your portable. Again, we're talking Windows Mobile or Blackberry platform, VIIGO over at download.com. >> Not bad kind of surprised no one thought of that yet. >> Plain and simple. >> Or made it good and easy to use yeah exactly. >> And free. >> And free. >> Let's not forget free. >> Let's not. >> We love free. >> Alright, it's time to get to your calls here at 888-900-CNET. It looks like Jacob is on the line and may have a question that T's us up for a good DRM ram. Jacob, are you there and what do you got? >> Hey guys, what's up? >> Hey Jacob. >> How's it going? >> I've been trying this Spiral Frog again. I gave it a chance two months ago. I hated it because of the DRM. So, I'm trying it again. And I wanna import it into iTunes. Is there any way to get rid of that WMA DRM to make it work? I Googled it but there doesn't seem to be anything that worked for me. >> I think what you've hit is the DRM wall again. Spiral Frog, just for those of you who don't know. >> Yeah, I don't even know what it is. >> It's a free ad supported music service. So you can, you get music downloads. >> Yeah. >> And it's add supported and so the music is actually free. But it is DRM'd. >> It's wrapped. >> All to H E double hockey sticks and back. >> It's wrapped up. >> It's ridiculous. You can, you have to listen to commercials, I think, right when you download the music there's a commercial before the song. You cannot, and this is why you can't, I think that there is no solution to importing into iTunes problem you can't burn the stuff to CD. Usually you can get around DRM by burning it to CD. >> And ripping it back. >> And ripping it back that's how you get, you know. >> Yeah, I tried that. >> But since you can't burn it to CD I don't think that there's any way to convert those files unless there's something, some sort of audio file conversion program that would work for you, but. >> Well, you know, the only way, and I'm not here to advocate policy far be it for me, but Real Time analog play out. You know, most sound cards in computers today will play and record at the same time. It's Real Time, but, you know, if you're doing a few hundred songs it's a lot of time. If you're doing 15 or 20 songs, it's not so difficult. But, you know, that is getting around their DRM. So I'm not gonna counsel you to do that. But I'm just telling you from a technical basis it is doable and the fidelity will be absolutely fine. You're starting off with a crappy compressed WMA to begin with. >> Yeah. >> You're not exactly doing this for [inaudible]. >> You know what I think Spiral Frog in general, not worth it, I mean it's so much more worth it to pay 99 cents. [ Talking at once ] >> Songs. >> Commercial front and back of each song? >> Yeah. >> Oh, that's a drag. >> Yeah, I mean even with. [ Talking at once ] [ Laughter ] >> Well okay. >> Alright Jacob thanks a lot for the call but yeah you're in the, you're in legally bound up territory there. >> Yeah. >> Triple eight 900-CNET, shall we got to Ontario? >> Absolutely. >> Let's go say high to John here who's got a problem in the Bluetooth space. Hello John welcome to CNET Live. >> Hey guys, I have the Samsung [inaudible] with the [inaudible] thing on it. And the problem is the phone really sucks with the Bluetooth. I can't send V cards, I can't seem to receive any audio the pictures, even if, my buddy had a Nokia 95 he text me from audio to it. I had [inaudible] on the phone and the phone accepts MP3s. It can't sent it because the wouldn't accept it for some reason. It's like it's locked. I can't do anything with it. I was doing the [inaudible] game GPS because I get lost a lot. And well. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. >> Wait, wait. >> John. >> Whoa, hold up. >> John, John, cool down. >> Wait. What now? >> You are so technically loaded up on this Bluetooth deal here. You're trying to transfer media to the phone via the Bluetooth connection. Is that the big idea? >> Yeah, but. >> Okay. And it's not, and from a computer or from a laptop, is that right? >> No. From another phone. >> Oh. >> Oh, from another phone. That's the part I missed. Okay. So we're trying to use a Bluetooth transfer for data transfer phone to phone. I have never done that. >> I know. >> Wow. Hold on a second. We're gonna check this out. Bluetooth data link on a U740, is that right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So what you're saying is when you try it nothing happens at this point? >> No. >> Can you see the other phone, can you pair with the other phone? >> I can pair, but I can't send anything. >> Really. >> I can't see ###. >> So you can't transfer any other data? >> No. Except V cards. >> Oh. >> I wonder if, this is a Verizon product? >> No, I'm with Bell. >> That's right. You're in Canada. >> Yeah. >> So, there's not a Verizon lock on it. Because I was getting suspicious of that. They want you to get their media from them. >> Yeah. >> You know if the wireless carrier has disabled data transfer because they want you to get music from a service that they offer? >> Well. >> That's really common. >> It's like 20 bucks a month though. >> And you use the phone as a Bluetooth modem? >> No, I don't use it as a USB modem. >> You can't? Oh, so there are different Bluetooth profiles for different phones and carriers disable or enable the various profiles based on what they want to allow you to do. And it may be that you have a profile that only allows for basically like paring with cars and paring with headsets. >> That sounds real likely. >> And that doesn't let you do data transfer. I suspect that's probably what you're running into. >> Yeah. You might wanna call your carrier and hopefully you'll get an honest person there on the phone on the support line who will say yeah, we don't allow that, although it leaves you in a tough situation. Like you said, there's a 20 dollar service to get their music and I'm sure that's not what you want, so that's a little bit dicey. We have time for one more here, let's get, no we don't, actually. >> Wow. >> Whoa, big, big reaction to that one. Whoa. >> In that case. >> Spike the ball. Okay. >> Coming up very soon, I've got my best of the ### pick. But first, we're going to answer an email sent to us by Dillon in Quebec who writes I would like to know about sending huge files over the internet. I have a problem because hotmail and yahoo have very small sending sizes. I usually use yahoo or msn messenger to send these files, but it takes forever. Well here's Tom, Dillon with the answer to your question. [ Background Music ] >> I'm Tom Merritt from CNET.com. Here's a quick tip for sending huge files over the internet. You know how it is, you wanna send a friend an email with a huge photo of you partying with cats or an episode of the it crowd or maybe a copy of pong and you get a warning, that attachment is too large. How dull is that? Well, don't let email kick you around. There are services out there for sending large files over the internet for free. One of the most popular is you send it at YouSendIt.com. You can send anything, up to 100 megabytes for free without registration. Just send the link and download the secure file. It's dead simple to use. However, you send it doesn't scan for viruses. Drop load at dropload.com does. It had the same 100 megabyte cap as you send it, but drop load will scan for viruses. Now on the down side, it doesn't encrypt the download part. But 100 megabytes is so cramped, what if I wanna send a copy of Pen and Teller smoking mirrors games, that's supposed to be a gig. Bring on transferbigfiles.com. No fuss, no muss, just large files up to one gigabyte being transferred for free. Now there are plenty of others out there with different maximums and features. Take a look at zupload.com and megaupload.com as well. They're both free. Also, remember you should only send files you have the rights to send. No copyright infringing, please. That's it for this quick tip. I'm Tom Merritt for CNET.com. Remember, only send files you own. >> All right. Thanks, Tom. Good stuff. Yet another insider E-tip type thing that he's so good at. It didn't involve Linux this time. That's a first. Okay. >> All right, to the phones, right? We have time for one. >> Yes. Last call. >> We have Mike and Ellis here from Ireland so it's my last call theme going on. Let's go to Charles in long island. You are the last call today, Charles, welcome to CNET Live. What can we do for you? >> Well, good afternoon Brian, good afternoon Molly. In the wake of the death of HD DVD, my question for you is very simple. Do we wait until later on in the year for the new blue ray disc profile or should we go ahead and get one now? >> Well, don't get one now, the news today is that the prices are the highest they've ever been. They've gone up above 400 dollars. >> We're not terribly surprised by that, obviously. >> Right, because now that they've driven their competition out of business, they went ahead and raised their prices on you, which I think is absolutely ludicrous. I don't think they can justify those prices based on the demand that they've actually had, because you know, they were in a format war, so they could say that's why they weren't selling. But the fact is you don't need this. >> They're kidding their selves. They never were competing against HD DVD, they were competing primarily against everything else in the world, like online delivery, like the kiosk service that Mike and Ellis just told us about, some or all of these are gonna win in various degrees. The disk is just a horsy old idea. I would at least wait to make sure that you wanna invest in re-buying your library or re-buying a library or some subset of it. That's really the call here. 400 dollars won't feel like a lot of money after you've had the platform for a few years. That's not that big a deal. What will it come down to? 200 maybe? We're not talking about a lot of money over several years. But do you really wanna make the move at all into a new physical, library based format, you know? >> I just think that myself, and I'm probably part of a larger class of people who have held off up until this point. >> Oh yeah. >> And obviously we're chomping at the bit and when you know the manufacturer is not dropping prices, it's just, you know, it just spells doom for the format if you ask me. >> It's a slap in the face, I think, to consumers to have engaged in a format war for this long to have never made any concessions and then once you drive your competition out of business to jack up your prices, I think, personally, just on principle alone I think that's unacceptable and you should not invest in that kind of behavior. >> I'm glad you guys agree with me then. >> And if enough people like you and the two of us think this way and the demand stays as down as it will be if we think this way, the prices will come down. >> There you go. >> So you'll get your way. >> Well, thanks a lot for your help, guys. >> Yeah, you're welcome, thanks for being the last call Charles, appreciate it. Coming in from Long Island, New York. >> Now it is time, my friends, for the best of the web. [ Music ] >> The best of the web is brought to you by our friends at webware.com and the best of the web is actually a very easy choice. Hoo loo. >> Hoo loo. >> Hoo loo. Finally, hooloo.com launched yesterday and it is now available to everyone. It's been in private beta for what? It seems like forever after being delayed for what seemed like forever. >> Yeah. >> Now it's out. This is a joint venture, for anybody who doesn't know at this point, between NBC and Newscorp, so they've got NBC shows, Fox shows, they've got a bunch of movie studios on board, and in fact. >> We're in there, full disclosure, let's see. >> Check this out. CNET. >> Give me some CNET baby. Give me some CNET. >> There we are. >> There we are. >> So you'll get kind of cool, car tech videos. They've got our first looks, our insider secrets on there. >> Good stuff. Good stuff. So the idea of hooloo is free big dog video. We're talking about stuff form us, from NewsCorp, from NBC and I think another 47 or 48 providers, so it's commercial, high quality stuff, much of which you may have seen on television and of course, stuff that is cost free. This looks really good. I mean look at the size of that video and the quality. >> It looks good, too. And, you know, we know you can see our video anywhere. But the cool think about this is I think you've got TV shows that you can just sit there and watch at work. And you've got arrested development and heroes. It's kind of the biggest collection that I know of of this big name free content that you can get for free anywhere. >> Yeah. >> There's some quibbles, not every episode of every season is up, or sometimes you'll find like half of season three and four and no season one, so that stuff is annoying, but it all comes down to the rights holders. It's not. >> They've got the Simpson's. I love it already. >> The Simpson's. >> It's a hit as far as I'm concerned. >> I know. I. >> If you've got the Simpson's, you're basically there. >> I think there are some minor complaints about hooloo.com but all in all, not just because CNET's on there. I am psyched. >> Yeah. This went live yesterday, by the way, so it's fresh stuff. So be the first on your block to really get in there and scour through it. Okay. That's the show for this week. Thanks everybody. Thanks for joining us. Next week Tom is back from spring training. Why do we have someone in spring training? I love that. >> I don't know. But I just can't stop picturing him in the little pants. >> Oh, the little pants. >> Yeah. >> The little stripes and the high socks and the little stirrups. >> Yeah. It's so cute. >> Great. Yeah. Anyway, so he'll be back and we're also gonna be talking to the folks at kiva.org and they're gonna be giving us the insight on giving loans to people in the third world through your credit card account. So get your head wrapped around that [inaudible] next week for CNET Live. >> That's right and that's coming up next week, of course, one P.M. pacific, 4 P.M. eastern. >> 11 A.M. Hawaiian. Tom will verify next week. Bye. ^M00:29:05 [ Music ] ^M00:29:13 >> My blackberry is my lifeline. The communication in my children's school now occurs via email. Mom's at baseball practice, people I work with in the publishing industry, it's a wide range of folks that use them.