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Tom and Brian host an old mobile tech reunion of sorts. Guests include the iPhone's great uncle, a laptop that sold for $10,000 in 1982, and the curators of the DigiBarn tech museum.
[ Music ] ^M00:00:09 >> Coming up on CNET Live, Tech from yesteryear. >> So you mean stuff like five generation, fifth generation video iPod? >> The fifth generation, no, I'm talking about the TRS80 or older, [inaudible] DigiBarn. And they've created their hayloft bringing in some gems. So all that and more coming up on CNET Live. ^M00:00:28 [ Music ] ^M00:00:34 >> CNET Live everybody. I'm Brian Cooley, he's Tom Merritt. And the phone lines are open. >> Brian Cooley, thank you so much. >> 888 900 CNET. Not only are we taking you back into the fabulous history of personal computing. Yeah, the guys from DigiBarnare gonna be coming on in just about 10 minutes and they're gonna walk us through. >> These are all portables. >> History. History. Right here folks. From the lovable to the truly portable, we're gonna meet your iPhone's distance cousin as well. That's all coming up. But the show's really about you and your calls at 888 900 CNET. >> And when you call, Cheryl will pick up the line and she'll get you all set up. Talk to her and then you'll be ready for the show. >> And then we'll take your calls. But before we do that it's time for a couple of things we crave. ^M00:01:18 [ Music ] ^M00:01:23 >> These are some of our favorite things in the crave log at crave.CNET.com. I'm starting out with the Vigor Vivo HD. This is a clear, hard shell cased like totally bullet proof computer. Totally rugged. But they put the monitor on the side of it. >> This is preconfigured for the DigiBarn. >> This is preconfigured for the DigiBar, jumping out of airplanes, diving to the bottom of the sea, it's like a practically bullet proof case. >> But the screens exposed. >> Three terabyte hard drive. That was my first reaction. I was like this is dumb. You've got an LCD screen on the outside. >> Yep. >> That is a hardened glass shell over the screen. >> Okay. All right. >> So a little bit of a weaker point than the metal case, but a pretty hard core machine nonetheless. This is great for people actually out on the road going into data centers, things like that, where you just kind of bounce around, you're out in the field working on stuff, checking on things. >> You like heavy luggage. >> Yeah. Not really for the business traveler. >> No. >> But you've got that screen on the outside, so you don't have to worry about plugging in monitors and things like that. >> Yeah, that is nice. That is nice. For a special vertical application or for you at your home because you are Dr. Tom Merritt. >> Yes. Because I like to jump out of buildings. >> I'm a little more car oriented today, as I often am. This is the Pioneer AvicF. This is the latest series of Pioneers Avic Unit, which is their high end replacement car head units that do media, navigation, hands free phone. This is a killer line. They've got a whole new series. Look at that great interface. It's really gotten less computerish and much more consumer electronics oriented as you can see with those great big icons. And if I scroll down here you're gonna see the controller is a little more of a spin wheel knob. I know what the problem is. We're on the wrong computer. There we go. You see that controller wheel there on the left? And of course, the interface is really great. And this has everything from hands free to media, audio, video, it has wireless connectivity, real time traffic from MSN is a new wrinkle here. >> Is this MSN direct? >> It's got the MSN traffic service coming in. >> I'm curious if it's MSN Direct because they shut off MSN direct, they shut off the spot watches, but the service is still on. The only reason they left the service on is because they're using it for something else. >> This might be it. These, by the way, price from 850 to 1200 bucks. They are high end, but they're really great. >> All right. Well we have got a full slate of calls. Shall we take one? >> Let's get a few, shall we? >> All right. Let's start with Josh in Denver, Colorado. Hey, Josh, welcome to CNET live. Thanks for calling. >> Hey, thanks for taking me, guys. >> No problem. What can we do for you today? >> Well, I've got one of these new sanyo exact camcorders that takes all of its video and puts it on an SD card and I'm having a little bit of trouble editing the files. I wanna use Window's Movie Maker to edit the video files, but what the camera is outputting is H264 ABC files. >> All right. Yeah. So you wanna be able to convert the H264 files to WMVC so you can edit it in Window's Movie Maker? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Brian, do you, you did a little research on this? >> Yes. And there are a couple of places you can go. First of all, you wanna do a conversion here with one of the Download.com software products that is really gonna be a swiss army knife of conversion. I'll pull a few of these up here for you. Ultra MP4 Video Converter is one that gets a high user rating. We've also go one here called Ultra iPod Movie Converter. Don't be fooled by the iPod movie list. That may do the conversion well. It mentions specifically H264, MPEG4, all of that in there. Download.com has a ton of these because this is a format that is really hot. Luckily you're not dealing with an oddball format that you're trying to take into a main stream, so you shold have a lot of luck there. But I would go run some of those. Also, look into whatever video editing program you're using, which also has good, depending on the program that it is, if you just have Window's Movie Maker, you're out of luck, but some of the better ones you can download for a demo, will be able to convert for you for 30 days, until they time out. >> Well, [inaudible] that we talked aobut last week will do it. >> Yes. >> So, that's one. also, Window's Media Coder is one that I have been using to convert DVD's. if you pull it up on the screen, I've got it up, it will actually take H264 and convert it to a AVI. AVI is one of the options there. So, you know, I haven't done it, but a lot of these media conversion software, they work for some people, they don't work for others, so you oughtta try it out for yourself. But this is one of my favorites, Media Coder. It's also open source and absolutely free. >> Yeah, lots of ability there. It's a Swiss Army knife like I was saying. Good stuff. Okay. >> All right. Thanks Josh, I hope that helps you out. >> Who do you wanna take next here? >> Let's go on to Winston. >> Winston's in Canada and he's calling about antivirus. Hi, Winston, welcome to CNET Live. What can we do for you? >> Hi, recently I just uninstalled Norton because it keeps slowing down my computer too much. So I'm deciding to go with AVG, the free edition, but I'm wondering will I still get like the same protection as Norton, but just like without eating up that much system resources? >> Yes. The short answer to your question is yes. AVG antivirus provides solid protection according to our tests here. The CNET editors have put it through its paces. However, the new version, Antivirus 8, AVG Antivirus 8 was a little slow on the scanning and boot time performance. Now, it still beat Norton, which is incredibly slow. >> Yeah. >> It really bogs down your machine. So you'll probably see a performance increase. But AVG is actually a little slower than it used to be with this newer version. We kind of knocked it for that in the most recent review. >> Yeah. I run AVG on all my servers at home and some of those I actually get on and use as consoles and dramatic difference in performance compared to Norton. McAfee used to be considered a little trimmer, a little faster than Norton. I don't think we believe that anymore. They both are considered pretty bulky programs. So yeah, AVG works for me in practice really well. >> And there's also AntiVeer and a couple of others. If you just go to Download.com, go to the top 10 downloads, there's a couple other free antivirus programs you might wanna play around with. >> Yeah. >> I've used them all. I find them, all the free ones seem to be about equal as far as the running time and their protection level. >> Yeah, and you know, you never know until you take a header because of a virus attack if it's as good as the other and then you wouldn't know if Norton would have caught it either. So it's always hard to know. You have to have faith in, obviously, our reviews and in the software writer doing the good job. It's kind of hard to know the future. >> It's one of those keeping the elephants away sort of thing. >> Right. Exactly. >> You know it's working because there's no elephants around. >> Coming up, the curators of the unique private tech museum, the DigiBarn are here, and we're going to explain what all of this great mobile tech on the table here is. Stick with us. >> But first, we've got some new tech to check out. The only new tech we've got today. A new HD radio iPod combination product from Polk Audio. Check this out. ^M00:07:55 [ Music ] ^M00:07:58 >> I'm John [inaudible], Senior editor at CNET.com and this is the Polk Audio Isonic entertainment system two or ES2. This is the second generation Polk audio Isonic and it has a slightly different feature set than the previous model. This one adds the built in Ipod dock and it also adds something called HD radio tagging. What this means is whatever song you're listening to on an Hd radio station you just press the tag button up front and that song info the artist and title is transferred to your ipod next time it's docked and atop there. Then next time you take your ipod to your computer that information is saved on a special play list where you can buy that song from itunes if you so choose. You listen to the built in ipod dock in the HD radio tagging option. The ES2 also has a few design improvements over the previous model. Namely the button arrangement up here on the top is a lot easier and simpler to use and the slanted front face is just easier to see especially when you're right on top of it. Despite those improvements we were disappointed in how much was left out of this version of the iconic. It's missing the CD DVD drive that was found on the previous model and it's also not XM ready so you can't have plug and play access to satellite radio. The being said this model does produce the same excellent sound quality as less iconic really defaced really rich full sound, especially because it has two speakers up front and two in the back as well. So you get a really nice three hundred and sixty degree sound field when you're listening to the radio o or to your iPod on this unit. I'm John Falcon for CNET and this is the bulk audio Iconic ES2. >> Alright that's the last of the new tech you're going to see for a little bit because we have Bruce Dammar and Allen Lundel from the DigiBarn joining us thank you guys for. >> Hey guys. >> Thanks for having us. >> You're very welcome. >> We appreciate it and thanks for bringing all this great mobile computing. >> Look at this. >> As they came all the way up the peninsula it had to be mobile. >> This is the entire history of mobile personal computing like on one table. >> It's al here. >> I mean who else could do this. >>before we get started on looking at these treasures quick one what is the DigiBarn for folks who haven't heard of you guys yet? >> It's a nerd palace nerd memory palace so nerds come there they find their first born and their first loves and restore the history in there's hundreds there's five hundred computers there. [ Everyone talking ] >> Apple two's that's the lineage room there and. >> And you got some machines that are signed by the designers. [ Everyone talking ] >> So everything from the handheld to the Cray and everything in between from the early days of computing and especially personal computing. >> Personal computing interactive personal computing. >> Let's look at some other stuff you got here starting off with where does the time line begin? >> Well we're sort of starting off today with the Hp thirty five this is a 45, but a 35 has 35 buttons that's why they call it the 35. >> Oh really. >> True engendering scientific genius in this and this really started a resolution. >> We just did a tales of [inaudible] valley on this. And I guess we're on CNET it talks about how was working on this calculator right. >> Right yeah waz was working on and he left Hp to go to this crazy adventure called apple. >> Really I didn't know that. >> And then what we have in here is by the late seventies and early eighties we have these kind of. >>Yeah one of the trash 80 models. [ Everyone talking ] >> And yes this was actually portable very useful to people like journalists who like to ride on airplanes and have full sized keyboards. [ Everyone talking ] >> You have a modem built in modem. [ Everyone talking ] >> Whapping 300 bud I believe. And this was the radio shack product which a lot of folks today have no idea radio shack was a killer in early portable computing. >> Yep, yep. >> Absolutely they really. >>The screen size that's not that much bigger than what you got. >> Shorter but not that much narrower. And what's right in front of me here? >> The Epson HX20 which had a built in printer. [ Everyone talking ] >> And then in the slightly less than portable categories the luggable Osborn one. >> And that's a classic right there. >> A classic yes. [ Everyone talking ] >> But it had storage to it had floppies it had ran CPM. >> It ran CPM and >> WordStar. >> Keyboard and you could carry it on airplanes you couldn't quite get it under the airplanes set. >> This is what his is a five and a quarter inch floppy this is back when floppies were floppy. >> Yes they were really floppy. [ Everyone talking ] >> About 1,800 bucks. >> On those dollar. [ Everyone talking ] >> It was a big deal in the history of portable commissions. >> Yeah >> The same year we had this the grid compass 2 which was titanium case. [ Everyone talking ] >> See what eight thousand dollars will get you. >> Yeah right a little less and a lot more weight. >> But he went out on the space shuttle no. >> Yeah >> That's right they were literally used to for the astronauts to look at where they were on their orbit and were their ground tracking stations were. >> No floppies no hard drives though. >> They were more powerful than the machines that ran the shuttle. >> Right that's the amazing part now this is where it starts to get a little bit closer to today here's the Newton. >> 1993 handwriting recognition. >> Yes we don't even have that on our iPhone yet. >> Wow have you two met? This is your great grandfather over here you need to take a few lessons from this one and you from this one. That's amazing. >> Seriously I need handwriting recognition. [ Everyone talking ] >> And Allen can tell us about the pocket >> Well yeah. [ Everyone talking ] >> For portable s this really was a Precambrian revolution lots of machines were coming out really quick. And this was a design to be small, really tiny, even smaller than the [inaudible]. And basically you could take it on airplanes you could program with it and it had all kinds of peripherals. It was before the days of USB interface so you had a unique type of. >>Cards on it. >> Right you had cards that you could put in and a lot of the concepts we used today, but completely plunky and large peripherals they weren't tiny and small. >> And bigger than that in some cases. >> Yeah some cases were bigger than this. >> What's interesting Allen is that device does not look that much different that would almost fly on a store shelf today. That wouldn't make you go wow where as everything else here would. >> It looks sweet you know you could almost put it in your pocket. [ Everyone talking ] >> What's going on here? >> This is a very wonderful mysterious tablet. It was probably the first serious tablet hand writing recognition machine called the go pin point operating system. And Gary Downing demoed this very unit to Bill Gates and he went off and did something called pin windows, but anyways this is a beautiful machine. [ Everyone talking ] >> And this is also an idea that's come back like the Newton has come back as the iPod this has come back as tablet windows today. >> and the touch interface. >>Yeah just an idea ahead of its Tim you might argue that the tablet is still ahead of its time depending on sales. >> And what year did you say this was? >> 1992ish 16 years old. >> 16 years >> And an idea that's still hasn't even fully caught on yet. >>That's right >> Its still the grasping the market >> And then we. >> It kind of looks like the new picture frame. [ Everyone talking ] >> When you guys were kind enough to let me tour is seeing all of this history and hearing all of these stories and so many of them are still applicable today or we're seeing the same patterns work through. It's really incredible. >> And this is not a computer >> No this is not a computer but we are becoming walking computers. Soon we'll have some [inaudible] computing, but the idea is that you went from portability that is like this to your iPhones. Everything you'd ever need. >> Right . >> Pretty much and so it's got to be dealt into garments because you know if it's pulling out of your pocket what not. >> Yeah. >> So I designed this it's called a cyber doublet. Its based on a renascence jacket and its like a cool thing so its not like sort of a journalist jacket. >> We have the iPod here you've got cord management all the way up and down the collar. >> And you can put your cell phones and everything there and run the cords like buses and run all the cords. >> Interesting yes physical buses cabling and store machines. >> You can remove off all the panels. These panels come off and everything and you can make this into sort of a collector. [ Laughter ] >> Yeah ah very green. >> I think we have Dr. Merit's wardrobe update figured out right here Mr. [inaudible]. >> Yeah no knock on Scotty's vest but that is a lot more fashionable. >> Yeah. >> That rocks, that rocks. >> This is designed to be like the character in Snow Craft, wide ski. >> You have a Katana holder. >> Ah that's what I need, that's what I need yeah so there it is the renaissance man of the 21st century. >> We'll be cyber and body network. Now folks who wanna check out digivon and wanna find out how to get there when you guys are open to give a tour how do they do, what should they do? >> Go to digivon.com and just go to our signup form, get on the form, check that you wanna be on the mailing list. >> There it is, yeah. >> And you'll get the invitations for next open houses. >> Excellent. >> You guys are again for folks who don't know, Boulder Creek near Santa Cruz California, if you're trying to get a fix on where these guys are so just between Santa Cruz and San Hose as you were saying. >> Right, its Bear Creek road exit off of 17. >> Yes [inaudible] is easy to get to. >> And if you wanna see more gardens like this tomorrow night at the exploratory it's the second skin, it's a fashion show the merges tech and new fashion. >> Bruce is gonna be the walking server there. >> I'll be a walking server there. >> Cool. >> Alright. >> Exploratory, when's this gala tomorrow night? >> Tomorrow night. >> Good deal. Guys thanks a lot for bringing history. >> My pleasure. >> Alive on CNET live. >> My pleasure thanks for having us. >> Good stuff. >> Now you can't fly out to San Francisco, you can go to digivon.com and look around at the videos and stories it's almost an inexhaustible resource online as well. >> Coming up next, download of the week shows you how to do Vizio without having to pay for Vizio. Stay with us. ^M00:17:48 [ Music ] ^M00:18:04 >> Catch the baddest text board vision is at CNETTV.com. ^M00:18:08 [ Music ] ^M00:18:26 >> Okay folks back to CNET live where the phones are open triple eight 900 CNET I think we got a line open right now. So, jump on and grab that rarity. >> But first, it's time for the download of the week. >> Download of the wee is brought to you by [inaudible] CNET's download.com for [inaudible] of spywares free software. This is one of my favorite little open source replacements for Vizio you know the chart maker Vizio. >> The expensive chart maker. >> Excellent program. >> Yeah. >> That Microsoft owns now, but like you said a little pricey. >> It's pricey yeah. >> So, why don't you try DIA 0.96.1 it's not quite at 1.0 yet but it's worth using if you need a good chart maker. I have an example. >> Yeah. >> Of a chart I put together here I'm gonna pull up. >> See what you got. >> This is my little idea flow chart. You know you start you have an idea. >> You have an idea. >> But this it what the kind of thing you can do you make these sort of. >> That's supervisor. >> Circles and arrows kind of diagrams. >> Idea killed by supervisor. >> It's sort of. >> Supervisor reconsiders. >> Here's the. >> Represents his own ideas. >> Yeah. >> Fight over credit, you've got the delta there to show. >> [Inaudible] chart. >> Yeah very good. >> But it's real simple. Here are the controls over here on the left. You got your text, you got your boxes that you need, just need to make a box you can make it as big as you want. You can stick images in there. >> Now how is the auto connector functionality? That's where the power is with Vizio's you make boxes it'll it logics, it logics out the flow and it also does the connections all very tightly. >> This I don't think does that or at least I haven't discovered it. >> [Inaudible] >> I hand drew all the arrows right now. >> Okay. >> But it's sort of like you know what if you can't pay for Vizio and you need. >> Right. >> To make a flow chart this thing will do this. >> Okay I do a lot, I do most of my charts on PowerPoint which is the same idea except this is not bloated. >> Yeah, and I've done so many Vizio documents that I couldn't use anymore after I lost my computer. >> Right. >> With Vizio on it. >> Right. So now I got, yeah this you'd always have. Okay, good stuff. Let's get back to your calls folks at triple eight 900 CNET. Let's go to Alex he's been waiting in Pennsylvania patiently for a camcorder question. Hello Alex welcome to CNET live. >> Hey I had a question about a Sub 200 dollar camcorder. >> Okay what were you looking for on that inexpensive camcorder? >> Well I just need it to be, it needs to take good video and have a like a firm input jack. >> See, the mike jack's the hard part. I assume you've looked around and it's not easy to find is it? >> Yeah, I don't know of, and I'm just looking at our camcorder reviews here to recheck. I don't know of a sub 200 or even a 200 ish camcorder that has a mike check. I just scoured the earth this past holiday season looking for a 700 dollar camcorder that would have a mike jack and even that's starting to get rare because these compact camcorders are aimed at the point and shoot market and they don't ever imagine you're gonna hook up a microphone to do a relatively professional good sounding production. So, that's a tough one to come by. You're gonna have to spend more I'm pretty sure. In that price category though the camera that I like is the Canon ZR series, ZR67800 I think is the current range of their models. And those have worked out pretty well for me. I've used a couple of those models for, for a few years in fact. Here's the ZR850 I've got up right now on my machine. And you can see it's, it's very slim it's very small it's not a bulky camcorder at all. And great canon optics, they do a nice job on the important basics. But, I don't believe this has a mike jack, I don't think it's even close. Let me see, yeah no mike input, no accessories too, you're not gonna find that in a camcorder that cheap I don't think. >> The only thing I can find even close is the 8 tech MZDV. >> Yeah. >> It's under 200 dollars it says it has microphone however it doesn't say jack or input. >> No I think it's a microphone. >> And it says it's different from built in. >> Yeah that's, that's kind of a, I wouldn't eve call that second. That's kind of like a third [inaudible]. >> Yeah it's a real, real below average. >> Yeah it's an almost a disposable. So, you're gonna have to spend more or rerecord all your audio after the fact on a voice track as you edit and sound effects and all that. Or go to EBay and look for a former 600 dollar camcorder now going for 200 something lightly used, okay. That's our best advice on that I'm afraid. >> Alright, let's go to Josh in Long Island who's got a question about Windows. Hey Josh. >> Hi how are you guys. >> We're doing well how are you doing? >> Good, good, so, should I say [inaudible]? >> Yes please, go ahead [inaudible]. >> Alright, so basically when I, when I open up my Internet Explorer or any other program, Windows Explorer my computer anything if I minimize it to the bottom of the screen, the blue section, [inaudible], it disappears, but if I go through all the tabs it's still there. >> So you're saying the Internet explorer box doesn't show up in the task bar. >> Yeah it's not in the bottom, I can't like switch through like four or five different windows at the same time after, I'll tab through them they're still. They're still there I just can't access them. It' looks like it's empty screen. >> Now wait a minute. >> So is your task bar there at all when you are. >> Yeah it's there. >> It's there. >> At other programs do other programs show up but not IE? >> No programs show up at all. >> Oh okay I've never heard of that. That's a weird one. I thought you had a task bar hiding. >> I would say I have actually heard of this. And we've got a form thread at forms.CNET.com somebody who's saying look the icons just disappeared from my system tray. It's a similar sort of problem so you might, you might. >> Sort of. >> Look at that. >> Yeah I've never heard of active programs vanishing from the taskbar. >> I've had it happen to me before. >> Really. >> Intermittently it always come back. We're gonna have to throw this thing out to the forums. >> I've never seen that, yeah. >> Because it's a little. >> Yeah it used to do that it went away and then it came back. But now it's just gone away. And it didn't come back. And it's been like six months now so I just created a new account from the, on the Windows and made a new user. >> And that fixed it? >> And I've been using that one since this one works. But every, if I switch back to the other one that one still doesn't work. >> Let me check something here I got something yeah it's a profile. >> Some registry. >> Okay all active programs disappear from the task bar, I'm over on a thread here XP pro and what kind of resolution do we have here. Okay, here we go I've got a link from Leo Laport. So. >> There you go. >> Leo's got a link here. We'll put this up in the CNET TV bar. >> Yeah [inaudible] for you. >> Yeah we've got it for you though. >> Okay thank you so much. >> Alright hope that works for you. >> No not Leo Laport, Leo Notenbome. The other Leo. >> Well it's a Leo nonetheless. >> Dylan, not Bob Dylan writes from Quebec and says I wanna know about sending huge files over the internet, hot mail and Yahoo have a very small sending size. And I was thinking about using bit torrent but not sure how to get my friends to do that. Well if you could get your friends to do that you could use bit torrent although then it might be publicly available depending on how you do it. We cover a few other services that are a little more user friendly in today's quick tip. [ Music ] >> I'm Tom Merit from CNET.com. Here's a quick tip for sending huge files over the internet. You know how it is, you wanna send a friend an email with a huge photo of you partying with cats or an episode of the in crowd or maybe a copy of pong. And you get a warning. That attachment is too large. How dull is that? Well, don't let email kick you around. There are services out there for sending large files over the net for free. One of the most popular is You send it at yousendit.com. you can send anything up to 100 megabytes for free without registration. Just send the link and download the secure file. It's dead simple to use. However, you sent it doesn't scan for viruses drop load at dropload.com does. It has the same 100 megabyte cap as you send it but drop load will scan for viruses. Now on the downside it doesn't encrypt the download part. But 100 megabytes is so cramped. What if I wanna send a copy of Pen and Teller's smoking mirrors games? That's close to a gig. Bring on transferbigfiles.com. no fuss no mess just large files up to one gigabyte being transferred for free. Now, there are plenty of others out there with different file maximums and features. Take a look at zupload.com and megaupload.com as well, they're both free. Also remember you should only send files you have the rights to send. No copyright infringing please. That's it for this quick tip. I'm Tom Merit for CNET.com. remember, only send files you own. [ Music ] Alright so there are actually a lot of other services out there to look around but those are some of the ones I found and have used a few of them. And, you know, it's simple. You upload your file send a link, they download the file. >> And if you do this a lot there's a whole new class of network attached storage devices now that have the FTP interface but very pretty. The Windows home media server and a couple of others you can look up those products if you feel like you're gonna add storage and you do this sharing a lot, bingo that's a good product for you. >> Let's take a call. Steven is on the line. Hey Steven thanks for calling. Where you calling from? Hello Steven. >> Michigan. >> Hey where I Michigan you calling from. >> [Inaudible]. >> What's your question. >> I have a, a desktop hooked up to my networks that we don't really use and I'm wondering if I can use it to log in from my laptop, use it as like a login server? >> Yeah sure. There are a few different ways. I mean log me in is actually one of the simplest ways. >> Yep. >> It's a website. You run it on the desktop you run it on the laptop and then you can sort of take over a PC anywhere is there another program. >> Yeah. >> You can use for that sort of thing. >> Log me in is very much like a free, I think it's still free. A free version of go to my PC which is a paid service, very robust. I use that a lot. Alright, the other way to do this if you wanna role your own is to use VNC or any of the copies like type VNC or tiny VNC or crazy VNC. And all you gotta do to make sure it's web accessible is use like a dynamic DNS registration for that box. So, it's IP and your network can be seen out on the internet and then you can hit, it's VNC with a little VNC client. So, I use type VNC to hit all the servers in my house that are all headless, works great and of course I'm inside my network. But, I can expose some of them using the dynamic DNS. >> Yeah and I think you can deal with it just talk about two computers. I don't know if this works necessary for Steven. But, you could run synergy and just control the desktop. >> Oh yeah. >> With the laptop. I mean that's not. >> Well if you wanna go old school [inaudible] digivon you can just town that in. >> There you go. >> That's, that's vintage. [ Laughter ] So, lot of ways to go from the suburb to the sublime. >> They're all there for you. >> And I call telnet sublime. >> Okay yeah Steven says yeah that's great guys. I'll call you again in about ten years. >> Thanks for VNC. >> Yeah a lot of line VNC. Okay now it's time for best of the web. [ Music ] Alright folks the best of the web is brought to you buy our good friends at CNET's webware.com. I'm talking about a search engine called search me today. Check this out. Here are the results that I got by searching Dr. Tom Merit's name. now, you don't see a list of text links like you do on Google. You see a bunch of pages that are flying by like in cover flow mode. Look at this. >> That's great. >> These are the actual results. And it also circles where the key words popped up. So, I can find the list of your pod casts here on someone's site. Here's you coming up for the buzz out loud pod cast on last FM. Here's a CNET page, a CNET TV page. What this does I think is give you a short cut to the context of the results because I can tell right away what this is much faster than grouching a Google text blurb. >> It's got a load of different results that you get, not that I search myself, but a I do. >> You do. >> Than you get when I do a Google search. >> And here's the top one it is Tom Merit. >> Well that is not the top one, okay. >> There's your top and then in descending relevance. Here's alpha. >> The entire alpha blog. >> Yeah the. >> There's my blog. >> There cybriliant right. >> Yeah there's my book. Znet comments that I made. >> Yeah, so it's a different way. >> [Inaudible] search. >> I doubt it's as powerful as Google. Let's make that clear right now. But, if you like to think visually and you just want to quickly go through basically flash cards results that will do it, searchme.com, nothing to install just go there and check it out. >> Do you search yourself? >> Not yet but I'll do that for this show. >> Oh come on. >> It'll be kind of fun. >> Are we running out of time? Does he have time to search himself? >> Next Thursday we're gonna unravel some mysteries for you. The mysteries of internet copyright law. >> That's right Collette Vogel will join us to explain what you can and can't do on the internet copyright wise. Tune in 4pm eastern 1pm pacific. >> I hear it's 10am Hawaii. And by the way the phones open at 12:30pm pacific call early next week. See you then. ^M00:31:07 [ Music ]