Car Tech Live 253: Geneva show preview

I -- Ferrari a new BM WM cars -- -- sun at a new Fiat. Meanwhile Land Rover makes the -- go topless. These cars and more in our Geneva auto show preview that's right folks on this car tech live march 1 when he twelve. We are going to be talking Geneva auto show -- happens next week. Yet -- -- really important if not -- of the free trip. This Switzerland it definitely either -- been some interest in cars that have been popping up over the last week special a lot of cars that we've been seeing we'd. -- -- every -- immediately release is a few photos or some sketches or some kind of indication of what they're gonna be showing -- -- habitat while the big one of course. Any time it -- a new query. Everybody goes crazy except I -- would seem to really care about -- -- well that really mean. -- yet again yet it didn't and have as much impacted and -- the -- the California. Yet get it you know it it of -- -- doctor are at that. Californians. But -- what we're talking right now is now yesterday morning actually Ferrari and build on their own web site of the new F twelve early -- -- long alphanumeric mess of a name. But it's basically -- 599 replacement. And it is the most powerful the fastest Ferrari that you never billed as more powerful even -- the 599 double X. On the race special that last week we sit there is no -- possible lead netstat. It just went -- 740. Horsepower. While so it's just seven parents how to present -- seven and forty use. It only in I don't know -- that's that's I think Italian pumping thumping its. I don't know if that they basically have. And the -- get the the engines really light. The industries and -- the same technology that they were using. In the 59 XX but then with the new V twelve engine I think that. The -- -- viewed on via. On the -- we just mentioned. -- W CNET direct injection -- that what's at the museum there. Most recent cars to the public horsepower that it's a more efficiency but no curb those in this nano on -- -- -- right that's a classic Ferrari and he gets both cylinders. Yearly need to Turbo and what the displacement on -- -- six point 26 week three liters this in between there it depends on how. Ferrari chief around that. -- flick that's as 6200 a month feces while sounds impressive that they can get that much horsepower under the scanner. Yellow mean and it. NF -- and kind of thing unit stated it. Probably make the variance twenty no ways and the Red -- pretty lofty. The interesting thing here also is that guides that putting out. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 and some odd pound feet of torque the number in there. Little more of course are a lot more than port yet which. Basically collagen and it -- all that -- mean to the way that works when you see that -- more horsepower torque. You know the -- red -- gonna be pretty high. -- -- high compression engine and share. -- this car looks looks. Miniature Philips did yet it's actually got some pretty. Distinct features distinct contour lines of I don't even really liked the site contour line and this is that we're seeing a photo and lots of entity or person and it's like political experience. I mean it's actually looking more like rendering -- -- -- that. -- -- have been heavily doctor -- gonna bring those that it contour line them to -- in the forefront. Make -- more more more work. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- It looked like a -- with a we will -- and I can't and CNET now. But -- they've got some interesting sort of -- diva even -- the engines in the front the transitions in the back kind of like that we were used to seeing and I and in this class of Ferrari vehicles so the cat. The weight balance is biased towards the rear by about 6%. On the the did did the vehicle overall is -- a couple hundred pounds lighter than the 599 that goes out I and then they've also. Mean it not only slippery here through the area has less a -- lower -- efficient and drag of but it also generates about 200 and some odd pounds more downforce so it's. Its -- Generating more downforce and generating illustrate the same time and I and -- they do some very interesting things to make that happen. The start this thing called a an air bridge at the front of idea -- the front of the vehicle that kind of like. Pushes down on the front of the vehicle but at the same time us brings gear up and over on the body -- -- reduces aerodynamic drag and also. A reduces its pocket -- -- -- you -- -- view -- behind the vehicle and then they also have these active shutters on the on the of the break vents so they did break -- from the vehicle only open up. When the brakes -- hot so you're not just like generating aerodynamic drag cooling off breaks battery cool -- -- just blowing down the I don't want for example. Right and so these -- are probably mostly functional. I imagine that -- you know like when the yet these -- DTR came out. They did you know -- common on some of the weird lines in that but he sounds and -- every little bit was designed for maximum. Aero efficiency and downpours Somalis kind of stuff so everything really worked. I mean there's probably is definitely. You know they they work repent Farina attitude to can -- maintain. -- styles so it's like they want similar proportions to the 59 and that sort of like long wanted. Did passenger sit way in the back to the closest -- of the wheel well they want that GT car. A sort of sort of form factor solo lot of this is just -- im pretty sure those headlights. Looked -- -- because that's referring wanted to look. But -- and yet they they also kind of brought their own sort of design center in on the design that it. The the aerodynamic into they want to happen. Are also integrated in. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- To them let me I think you can hit the nail on the -- when you're talking side and I mean my personal opinion is that it's. Probably the ugliest vehicle for -- repeal of it -- it doesn't look good. Just doesn't have that's competing with the 30 yeah. And it's not a good looking vehicle but I mean it does it looks purposeful. -- -- it looks bad thing who knows maybe it'll grow on me when I seen in person. And maybe nobody cares what I think it -- -- -- -- there are -- anyways I'm not -- their target market. But you can't afford a Ferrari and then -- may be the BM WM six which also be a pretty good performance car. They have a new when they just -- announced. Another vessel while -- on this is also should be at the show here. This one so via. The that is the zero to sixty time with that -- does that UF twelve is that what three point one seconds I think they said yet three point 10 to 62. -- Sixty and the add new M six's four point two seconds so it's pretty slow compact. For the rest of Ferrari but dad yes Alyssa and six is based on the new six series which shall we actually have one in the -- right now not insects but there. New six series but it's got the same body lines -- that new one but also as the M stuff like the -- slightly bulging hood. And that's only this things. They're also -- with this -- -- and I don't think is going to be the case with the -- -- with the M six that that they're looking at an average fuel economy about point four miles per -- Yet did the math on the Ferrari -- it's like just under twenty -- Who can understand its 30% more efficient in the old 59 -- I went back and looked at the old 599. And -- 30% to -- -- and it -- twenty so. But this new M six will I have the -- BMW's. Twin scroll or -- four liter engine with two twin scroll Turbo charges which. It's a ton of power out of this thing this is like the entity in on the imply. Yet it it certainly works corals. Exactly and that's. You know that's one thing that that makes the of the new M six somewhat less exciting because it really has the same drive line the same characters -- the same technology driving technology. As the M five. -- -- pretty exciting in and of itself and if you don't wanna sedan. -- -- -- Definitely looks better than the last generation of insects that even though I still take issue with the rear end and -- for. But I mean if you if you want that sort of like in five vehicle but she just can't live with the idea of two more doors in -- -- six. It's like the RM 50 that's for family and I wanna race cut it lifted. Chris they also make the M six in the convertible four U if you want that which. Convert in cars -- -- -- at -- -- -- And -- -- -- -- enough and -- citizen via SS dollar performer although. Like most of the medium cars like this. Using them on the road is -- as such a waste because when it is driving around on public roads YouTube user to be 10% of the potential. As I understand the new empires really comfortable. That even if you're not using that canceled a trip to the track for it is really nice -- and -- to get it -- -- you can -- you can report retires and -- -- -- videos on YouTube comparing the -- in five to -- TT RO. -- these videos on -- popping up to -- put them here in the states. If your link -- -- the cards do not belong in the same class. The money I think -- Interesting that well I mean they -- you. I am a rationale is -- GTR is definitely faster arm it import it in mind that that. -- -- vegetarian day. A lot of -- animate this human spewing this minority. Our guys and when somebody writes in the passenger seat they don't like take my parents that Lira epithet. It's -- my data instead I had it on the comfort and listen to do premium -- system. Well that's the dual personality nature of the embodies that -- I'm always impressed with those they. They have sure they have their that are incredibly aggressive sport mode and in turn change a few buttons and suddenly -- just like a drive -- the country and it just like me. It's just like let's take it down and -- is a little more. Pedestrian -- in a Mitsubishi. Their -- -- has been kind of -- Crap but confused -- been a very confused in data they've been doing some weird things in the US it -- to different cars and -- -- really quite -- on. I'll probably do have the I -- which spared. You know was an opinion there are Green credentials and -- -- variant interest in violence or Mary account -- right. And then that's kind of dig him -- the whole stock and there's I think they still make the eclipse but I don't know why I think the eclipse. Is due to be discontinued and yet it's in. I mean the eclipses. Is a classic case of how the mighty Apple. The first real you know performance cars -- cute as a Japanese imports kind of become. To Oracle want now and this horrible -- -- This that but the probably don't want something new at Geneva. And they just released a picture of the front of this car. It's it's got some intriguing -- -- things. And an idea is that gathered their re launching sort of the brand in Europe is in -- might take away promise you that they will. Have a new line of cars will -- new technologies new stuff to show up maybe you know hopefully really cohesive. A brand identity will come out of office sales and start putting new news on their experience that -- -- -- -- that that might be the in the case. Like it is very it is very easy below. And it does -- -- mean I'm guessing it's like -- outlander. Designs. It yeah I think it could be that and I also think they're trying to you. Maybe gain more European market share so what are we see there may not have any impact on the on the US market. You know hopefully. I mean I'd like to see this company come up with some. You know cohesive vision and -- that -- something -- Kia and -- have done and and that really. You know come out with new cars and new exciting cars. You know we'll -- Make it like you know basically kill the eclipse. We a couple of years and bring it back awesome again at an eminent degree a smaller clips -- -- thing huge Alia. Bring back the all wheel drive system that used to be -- -- and a degree and the small turbocharged engine. And they'd have something to -- the FT 86 people -- caring about Mitsubishi again. And dad and from there -- video on -- -- I guess they got the lancer. Lancer -- and argued that allies are -- -- that in his -- -- they're gonna discontinued the Eva. Levine who rumors that through repeated -- -- unit at the access I think we may we may start. -- this may actually be the beginning -- the end of like your 3400 horsepower all wheel drive McConnell boxes. Isn't it. Funny because we've got this new generation nova. The laughter -- -- blu and Genesis two. People are starting to be more interest in the review reader light -- rear wheel drive vehicles so that the Genesis two Turbo and then in the unit that's -- UNC group. FC six -- IR probably gonna fill in that space. But it has a more efficient. Yet but I think dad and fund Mitsubishi and -- and one is giving your prescription for success here. That was the yeah yeah the new eclipse eclipse right. You'll be -- whisked -- to Japan to design this new card I think seemed definitely let them all that. Nissan is. Coming out with a new vehicle in -- This is actually a concept -- the invitation. But it shows what it looks like -- actually -- production level car. -- -- -- -- if an alternate reality Nissan designed it says is what it would look place -- it without a sense of scale this may be smaller car commitment the first is about the same size it. And I don't really know if this is gonna replace the -- in the -- just came out. Right yeah I don't think -- Oracle as the risks I don't believe this does look like it might be smaller because if you look at where the rear doors. They come all the way -- there's not much cargo area behind their -- And this is sort of a a very European thing to have you can either have rear seats or you can have cargo space is -- -- You can't really have both stood simulate -- -- hundred -- yet could be that would be nice. Actually -- really cool it tiny city car none bet that sort of class of vehicle is really hot right now yet and I liked the look of this -- design. -- again a concept but it does -- some some nice lines and all that and you know it be great to see Nissan actually come up with a coherent design language to get the same thing happens all of their cars looked like they -- -- Designed by reaching into a box of design queues and pulling them -- blindly. -- everything's different everything's that -- -- just. You can't really there's no brand identity as it is the problem here you look at the three different Nissan's and it's like that from the same company -- Has some like Nissan Quest. Sort of things happening on the front. And as much as I don't like the Wii requests looks that -- that the sort of trap a -- grill. And and then you know the kind of the way that it works with -- -- do work better on this smaller vehicle in my opinion. Yes I am I yeah like the cut outs -- the -- the gross habitats and India that have MySpace was actually a Q I've seen. And some other -- design things -- -- that result finally taken their boomerang headlights look in them. Yet die and then using that -- and -- so -- did some interesting things going on there. Yet and in the engine for this I would assume the bad debt that one point six liter direct injection have been using and in -- Which could show up in something like this in and -- -- great power actually tally more power than some in the small really neat yeah. We would probably hit the market at the -- taken down a notch further actually kind of up and down a -- this is the add new Fiat 500. -- -- -- -- Fiat is taking the the 500 which they've just launched in the US recently small city car and stretching it. Making a bigger. And so -- the club and that's exactly. The eleven club and all it needs is the hospital doors in back. And I does this still seems as a regular Mini Cooper yeah I mean it's gonna be small I think -- -- by Thomas bigger than the standard desktop 500 either. I but it does have four doors and -- -- -- Israel and relatives liked when he time it is realized. That'd get -- blink tool -- needs -- -- been going on there that that's populate any -- Does it mimics the look of the running that -- -- -- -- that the URLs with the yet. Canada and actually -- -- And it's also got -- late though it does just let the duke. Or -- to me like that this is like those old investments where you put like a tunnel lite site -- you know all over the front of them. Yes definitely so you can see and -- they've really -- -- Cooper thing going on here with that the black. That the black colors and contrast color rip me to look like loading is -- -- a very Cooper -- In my opinion the data question is do people want a larger 500 on the people fear and ethics in small -- -- There are people who won a tiny car. And if they're looking at -- -- 500 could tiny. Needle -- -- it granted. The 500 is the only -- -- -- them Mercury now off -- at me at some point they're gonna have to add. More -- to that lineup and you know when with a disc -- -- -- -- heavily nuclear for a model next -- it well. I mean telling -- that many years. Least every car off there'd -- the original mini Coopers and they're just slightly longer slightly fatter. Slightly refused to -- -- -- is being based off the original efforts -- It's styled similarly but it does everything about vehicles list. Completely different and weird. Well let's -- it and we will get back to that -- out of action on of the 500 L will come to the US although I'd imagine that you need to. But that line if the partnered proved successful certainly successful in Europe. -- is actually showing -- a couple of new cars are -- -- cars for Geneva and we talked previously about a new small. A hybrid which seems like may be previous. Next -- kind of thing. But they've also got a car fuel cell. -- -- about fuel cells you know while this is the reason. Apps CV. Dash are the arts into recent. -- -- this kind of has the -- Prius like roof line and actually everything about. -- back looks like Prius. Right but then it's got this strange friend who -- thing going on man. Which I don't know almost like construction equipment -- I don't know -- it -- I don't even have the words to describe it -- the -- the ideal partners. Looked skeletal we will -- them stance yet there's a little bit about boats. -- Today he had an aluminum via the -- sort of way -- -- -- down and in some sections. It's a -- pictures yet -- never released any specs for this -- but it is interesting that there's and restored until some cars and I think they want actually aren't production. At -- -- in a production and when he fifteen. So assume that when the whole line. It would just helix and -- STX clarity lease program yet it might be a you know you'll -- -- may be ready for production by admitted this. It. Two years and years and a human. At. They will you know. I mean I think there's gonna be some testing out their mobile -- in -- -- scales like the electric cars. Others certainly need some meats beans sold but not in huge quantity and not in every region. -- another story we have from -- This is kind of cool is that Mercedes-Benz. This is more of the story more of our kind of thing. Opera cities bands is announce that for their new a class they are going to integrate the iPhone -- the infotainment system and actually integrate Siri with. They're gonna have integrated. Well because if you look at the picture. But the iPod -- exactly where we hate it at the in the glove compartment you can actually. Right if when you ever yet in the driver's seat it's like you gotta read sway over plug -- and always brings them which you yeah and go like a look at -- Or just out an iPhone -- dedicated to be in the car in the -- time. Ticket -- second data plan -- But I attic -- of that one cool thing about this though is that people found that trying to use -- with their current. -- a Bluetooth hands free systems it doesn't always work because series needle more correct connection -- guess. Right the -- -- that thing is if your car has its own voice command system and it doesn't defer to. Whatever that -- that the regular phone's voice command system would be in any case in theory can't jump in so it looks like they're. -- given you an option to choose to use their voice command or Syria be nice if there is just switched. You know Ehrlich and option in the menu that you -- -- -- go to lingo like hey I got an iPhone and when -- Syria character commander voice command system. Yes I think I mean might take away on this is there really basing this a new entertainment system in the A class which is not currently sell here although they are thinking of selling it here. A roundup of the iPhone and series set oaks. Eight I mean in this of the panic integration in the people have been saying like wide -- Smartphones great I'd rather use app from -- entertainment system so. Why why are you giving that to me and I think they are out you know may be going in that correction and and if that's of in the works and they classic certainly worked in. You know and other other vehicle. It's right. -- trickle from the exact trickle -- words -- -- -- -- that much focus on media on the iPhone and affiliates. As as an injury user. I'm just always annoys me because it is I understand the -- -- popular phones pretty easy developed or and it's constant. But I can't help but think like. Something like a simple switch it says. -- -- he's not phone's voice command system means that not only are you given that option to iPhone users. You're also giving it -- users preserved perfectly good voice search or a number of for blended voice search apps. On the Android they can be accessed at exact seemingly killing two birds one stone there. Same with Windows Mobile. But by developing specifically for the iPhone. You're essentially saying to me as a non iPhone user will if you -- -- phone and its arch. And apply it. -- -- And repair be prepared to like work around when it really and place. Well this certainly and I found -- talking to you BMW for example who develops mostly most of their app connections for. IPhone they're saying you know it's like to develop for Android but there's so many flavors and everything and it's hard to get any sort of standard. -- simply cop out. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Command working well then if that can be integrated well as lot of ways this could get -- let's move on to our mini news from that will -- Geneva. Yes and if just a second ago. And -- a little bit of disdain for the Mini Cooper countryman and now I get it really gonna dive into that. Because. A -- -- actually going to be debuting a John Cooper works version of the countryman. At Geneva this year and it is the most powerful meaning that the news if ever made it up with 211 horsepower. That's only three more horsepower than a standard Cooper entered into how much is the -- -- -- More than a standard like Cooper -- But I don't know -- that three horse power is enough -- America of the week different. So they're actually clicking more -- and a decent JCW system I this is that the four cylinder. Twin scroll Turbo charged engine pseudo. I don't know if this is exactly the same one but I mean. I think. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I can -- said that over and over whose function we saw on some BMW's wary of for a brief moment you're normal torque outputs 207 pound feet Max. But if you need like a little bit of extra grunt for you know passing maneuver for example over -- to 221. So. I think there's a new Turbo via. Right that is definitely knew that a new version of the -- -- abort system so that that's pretty cool actually. Used to the most is receiving a particular businesses. That eventually. That -- will find its way in a proper meaning that but it mean if if and if other than that -- mean this is pretty much everything else who expect from a John -- work suspension tweaks. Blatant it has -- on it. AE riddle of the interior of and it's also has the all for a little drive systems as the first all wheel drive John -- -- people ever also sounds like a -- competitors an analyst at. It's over the fact that only -- 200 horsepower 211. -- replicates a little more in rally. I mean I guess not really equity rally cars. Really more about maintaining your speed and handling and answer -- balls up our. Well that's out one of the minis will be looking for in -- the other one is a concept. The -- -- top class recently Italy release and photos for and I don't know if I'm gonna be too excited about looking for this wanna -- you -- -- as. It's the mini club band concept. And they took that they start off with -- -- -- club man. And they changed -- to would be. -- -- images. At and they also -- Covered up the side windows and -- It is like ticketed and that -- the vinyl wrap it looks like I did it with the vinyl. Yeah I mean maybe it is -- -- boards over the windows or something I'm pretty sure to middle and -- and equality constant but I mean. Concept goes discreetly. -- I today that the they still have the of the rear -- even they they have the doors are in the same configuration or -- in the exact same configuration -- the club club man. And there's not a lot of room in the back in the club club and to Begin with so this club band doesn't exactly. I have a lot of room in -- actually whenever -- have been thinking about this car for some reason. -- always come pops have been in my head as if it failed grocery delivery service from the news.com glory days it's. And I'm thinking I mean if you -- need to move a lot of stuff around. Like -- need to. -- a cupcake delivery center at yeah maybe. But I don't really understand why you would buy this over regular club men and less it was less expensive. Yet analysts they are just like hey we took the windows outfit over it in its charge less for it or they were there wrote a stripped down -- -- -- Ford transit connect regions kidded him and reaping and it. As -- interest it doesn't really get me excited about the many breaths a minute and much cooler content in the past the -- -- -- speaking of like the totally confident. This is probably in my opinion the -- Tennessee -- Geneva. This year. If the Range Rover -- vote convertible concept. And it's just like. So would it Land Rover looked at the Murano cross -- real benefit that's crap but I mean you know we could do it -- right. So they've basically stripped the -- back on the camera. And -- On the -- of -- a perfectly good crossover -- -- you. And replaced it with a power folding hard top. They've also -- a rollover protection system so keep the vehicle to take -- about flip over. Hoops -- -- and rear passenger -- -- yourself whom but other and that it's the exact same car. Will convertible top and select dumping you expect -- FEMA. And edit it just like hey like -- B basically get rid of all of the trunk space -- over immediate less useful. Right yeah except the about a whole open -- thing which the only broke got a pretty -- look at a huge glass and -- you -- year loosely in your windows down -- 80% there. Dad and see this kind of -- -- you can -- -- all around. Maybe this is like a beach cabana sort of drive around the thing about four seat convertible -- their -- really good for the first two passengers. In the backseat is just like all that wind comes with a Green spending directly to your mouth right you don't wanna be on the freeway in -- -- -- like you get to see expect the new one's gonna wanna seated anyway. I think it's done yeah -- yelled there -- look at it stated that if you -- me if I think what they should have done better here is just instead of during the whole convertible or just remove the roof. Just like altogether he had just you know maybe have some candidacy could -- -- their -- -- up over an -- of -- spider. Don't you with the Canada and actually is made the whole interior weatherproof. So -- could rain could snow in the thing and it wouldn't matter would like mess -- -- Jeep Wrangler exactly kept a pupil. I guess -- already makes so yeah. Barrel -- that freedom on the it is -- -- preview my headphones are falling off my head. The PM that are there to -- a preview will be their next week posting -- while the special package up on cnet.com. Showing now all of our. Coverage from the show notes are on Tuesday it will be posting from the -- -- Tuesday and Wednesday of videos blog post photos all sorts -- everything we could find at the show that school. And interest electric and that that Aetna Aetna. That'd be off did you put its first real test them in real situation -- But that -- go on the road now we are on the road in the MB MW 328. Hi. This is -- a new era. An. Engine that BMW's putting into UB three series and the low end. They are bringing back the four -- to the US which they haven't had here for years. -- so. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- All the things that in an and the regular -- Yeah but it is that got direct injection and a little bit more precision -- meter -- Better efficiency and more power -- and also at twin scroll Turbo charger -- -- that he has been using a lot lately. Yeah so -- -- geared more towards comfort. If -- anywhere so I'm guessing there's -- sport plus. Message that regular sports you get normal and I go probe which is actually I think what BMW what you -- the most sensitive. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Yeah and you -- part of the thing with this new engines view is that. You can get an average I think got -- economies like -- -- 536. And you can get a fuel economy average -- about thirty miles reality as hard drive and normally I -- -- -- always hammering them. Now you won't get -- get good. You know normal driving that's about thirty -- thirty average which is really good for a BMW. Rates -- got a couple of vision technologies that we're here at the birth of their -- efficient dynamics degenerative. System which kind of DC's he -- -- in in favor of regenerative braking system don't have that alternate or drag all the time driving. The second is a start stop system. When you come to a stop at a light for longer than a couple of seconds -- -- Alexa shut itself off. And re engage decision that -- -- -- the break fortunately there is the button right there in the start stop button that lets you turn it. Yet now we have electronics in this -- -- pretty well option that famous Green here which at the screen is standard. But we've got a navigation system which has its 3-D maps and all the stuff we've got a nice harming art and audio system Q&A lot of audio sources well. They're doing pretty much got the full range of audio sources Bluetooth streaming even that pandora integration which is nice. Yeah there's a BMW apps thing that lets you use an iPhone to get all sorts of about. Music integration with -- -- And one of the cool things that -- in the new things is this. Projected on the -- -- -- -- And it is really cool it's got about to show your speed as you're driving along you have to glanced down at the speedometer. You're doing turn by turn directions and and -- -- -- the next Terry in the distance cemetery industry include -- and it's also a collars them. -- that really cool. So that is the add new. When he twelve BMW 220 I witches as you -- a pretty drastic. Change over the previous one is -- that -- applicable Saunders from the engine right they also kind of -- styling a little bit on the outside. -- -- -- effort to get better and I like it. You know it's not drastically different than the three sooner than they riddle -- I guess some BMW the -- and not as might be right. Knowing how this is way different. But -- I mean they use the lower the -- down near the front and down a little bit -- -- -- -- has a slightly more prominent tea. I'll look the grill seems to be a little narrower. There are not quite as high. Now. Though -- and it's a good look. Yeah I mean it. -- only -- I think it looks. Better when you start adding that's forty years things onto with the bigger wheels -- the dead at 335. Bird you know the Wii music -- -- -- you. -- -- -- In sport package -- the more aggressive for the U that the lower air dam. -- it. I guess in the 328 -- they have -- tree -- that we had the. -- the luxury -- industry giant he had and I would have preferred have the sport line because frankly even though -- -- did handle well I did feel that the suspension was a little bit. -- little mental too much in the -- -- managed it kind of like -- today -- that the three series being all things to all people for a for some people it is just like a really nice alternative to X Emory. I've -- -- -- -- just like I've been looking at Alexis you know such as such but then -- that it could be -- -- -- -- -- interior you'd be amazed how many times I hear people say that since they're not thinking about the ultimate driving machine so by. Basically kind of splitting -- of the vehicle into those different -- infant. Yeah I think if it's interesting they're doing the third line thing it's that trim levels yet. What is in addition to trim levels at the in the allow the the vehicle to -- -- the people to kind of -- the vehicle with the look and or. Right and -- and like you're saying I think this is a car adding that you're gonna it has often in a car for the that the person who isn't really like really in the BMWs there isn't really in -- you know aggressive driving or anything like that -- wants on his transportation and it looks nice and -- BMW's are good qualities so and they got money to spend -- I what did you think of the app auto stop things. It only really happened once while I was driving it. And did I -- it at it didn't really bother me. That was a little the the first time -- the only time it happened et -- look -- it went -- -- -- that's interesting and that's -- but off the brake you know anomaly. And I would assume that -- time I would just kind of either stop paying attention to -- -- used to it. Ports -- near Philly if they put a button right there -- near the start stop when the lets you turn it off the -- the kind of person who just really who. It if you're gonna rush you're gonna be like taking off from every light with everything the cars guy -- turning -- -- it -- really bother -- -- I think that I think it's -- that -- an option. Yet -- are missing compatriots your -- cool idea that. Loved the button the turn offs and titles stop I hated that idle stop function -- it's certainly I've -- it's certainly were made. Itself tell you how the car you know and when they need shut down -- Felt that when the engine -- in you really felt that he didn't really feel the same thing like in the Duke Lacrosse we had recently. Which also shut up its engine at stop lights and signs or wherever -- -- -- -- stop. That was a lot smoother -- -- BMW was not the whole -- stop its -- was not smooth. Now I think in Europe -- -- used to this behavior and don't mind it so BMW says an analyst for Europeans is good for Americans. Well I guess the asset is. -- I think. From from my frame of mind I average driven very many cars that have the feature that are hybrids. And -- junior in a pirate you can cheat. There was just like oh -- the engine shuts off and you can stop on the -- new vehicle start moved immediately. If you're cheating with electric power. Whitman -- I feel like you taken a mental switched to note that you can't Disco. Offered on the -- the -- it you can't be they have to be like at. A -- the break in and started now on the gas and -- and as it just in America -- kind of used to like drink no. And if it is obvious sometimes you -- Green and yet to make sure no was gonna run the light -- the noted that extra. Half of the second. I think people just so -- the car behind if you start beeping at. But in there and that's a writes that you know that people are humble -- -- it would be weird -- an extra half a second. Just kind of get the cargo and smoothly. Well that's what they -- out of this car is to see them. -- it was very -- aware of what the engine is doing. I would lift off the brake and wait for doesn't really feel that engine kicked in and and come up -- full power before it pushed the accelerator. And I don't they needed to wait quite that long. And it's early nobody was really -- -- because the way people drive in most cities it just like always polite -- you know anyone on your texting is exactly. Etc. if I wasn't any urgency to get off from the light up for myself and that didn't really can't find it troublesome -- difficult to keep up with. People leading off the -- But it Yankee it has -- -- of hesitation and and is all weird and you know it's hard to sort of judge -- that is -- the so the thing I think is that. People you know -- -- casual buyers of this car who. Maybe don't really know how an engine works will hook sample sale like this is weird why's it doing this and -- go to the dealership and says by new fixes. In regularly hit the button and frequently but with the BMW dealers at a -- -- -- -- I think. That's kind of one of the things that I think would be leaned. When they hand -- the keys to marks the billionth of dark stuff obviously safe fuel. And it may be as much explanation as you get during the buying process -- if someone let you do that then. -- lovely people is caught off guard when it that it'll definitely happened during -- test drive. Out what what when they -- tutoring it's idle stop. When that was engaged is that the wheel you can't really turn the wheel -- it's still hydraulic boosted -- power steering. Yet the animated it is illiterate when your health now apparently not. But if you didn't really have the -- -- hard like if you really want it to you. Turn the -- -- -- -- -- way that's often dad because it realize though that we need boosters so it'd take a little too -- but -- -- would do it. -- -- -- -- -- -- instant you do these are just as like the hydraulic steering help with -- create a preserver ultimate driving machine created I -- -- thing. Yeah I mean and I'm I'm it did behave like hydraulic. Stirring -- that I can imagine it it is electric. But it is interesting that they have held back on that they have because the other companies have done a decent job of -- -- electric. Powers during systems. And -- after using boost its. There's already some interference from that the real road feel but I think BMW wants to stick to that -- -- a boost for. Presented one -- yeah that'll happen bunch of -- -- an electric eventually. And it's -- -- -- the scar was getting there we're average in my thirty miles per gallon which is great you. And if they -- electric power steering that might boosted even more. Couple miles per mile and mile -- to yet another -- every little bit counts though when your. You trying to reach forty certainly trying to reach -- -- you know whatever Kathy wants them to do and a couple of years. Every little bit counts. Right -- last thing I can want to discuss about the scars the app integration. -- which is cool you -- me I was I -- evident differently -- the yesterday and I was. I twittering -- -- tweeting -- I'm gonna the year -- in twenty minutes yet. There's like ten tweets -- -- this has that -- idea app system where you Italy were so the iPhone which. Leaves out half of the populace could buy it. It's it's got a cool stuff. It does it agree with that Twitter and FaceBook and it was funny -- I was looking -- might put her feet on the screen. I saw your tweet about that -- that twelve that we just talked about earlier. And that was on the screens I've selected it and then there's an option to make the car read out the tweaked. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- It to I think they did a that -- that it should try to pronounce BS herbs to read out the URL of the picture and I do but it was a female's voice on the answering your tweet in a few Muslims. That. It was pretty funny. But it anyway it was -- it was a very did -- rendering of the text in and they didn't send robotic and well. At least weekly -- by I'm looking at now -- like. It's cold L fifty degrees Fahrenheit and I'm driving my BMW. Online in my BMW would BMW connected. -- has been -- at a street address in all caps and about 3:50 PM the president suite doesn't -- in my BMW. In -- -- deal although -- was looking at the Mac app lets you do that -- -- gotten antigen and edit the templates as well in the first thing I would use -- in my BMW off to the end of every kid that can't let that. That -- -- that there's an amusing -- out there. And I can actually read tweaked here and retreated era I had to -- -- -- -- -- from in vehicle yet. -- -- -- -- Iowa that is the -- BMW 328 -- that well outside take a look at what's in our gratitude that review is -- but looking up. In this CNET editor odds that we just sex related reviews of that street when he -- that review is -- hosted videos that's. And the -- Yaris. And once that's again about a time in that are fighting NASA to halt its virtues and Atlantis and wondered just that this. -- next up we have our in the rhetoric now we have the BMW 650 guys this is the new six series is quite processor -- -- I was good time recognize -- lot of good stuff there's tons of technology you'll. -- and then coming up well we've got our -- Geneva auto show next week so we look at a lot of cars -- driving any. -- -- -- -- -- -- That's been that Arctic live march 1 when he twelfth. -- been -- -- -- to do with Antuan Goodwin and -- staying at the board. 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