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Winternals Administrator's Pak

by zieprt / March 11, 2013 2:51 AM PDT

Once upon a time Windows supplied a set of useful tools named the Winternals Administrator's Pak which included Disk Commander, and NTFSDOS suite.

Bob Proffitt's June 10 past at http://tinyurl.com/byg6z7c wrote that "The reason to abandon this was clear as DOS had severe drive size limits which we've blown past time after time."

True, but the C: partition can be configured to stay well within DOS limits on any sized disk, and these tools were invaluable to recover the OS. After years of successful functioning, my laptop XP has become corrupted in some way and croaks on MUP.SYS and C: is only 20GB because all it has there is XP.

Was anyone here wise enough to stash a copy of the Pak away somewhere? If so, would appreciate it being uploaded to dropbox and made available. It was a free download from Microsoft so am assuming there are no copyright issues.

If you would rather not post publicly, you can reply privately.

Much obliged to all.

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Re: DOS
by Kees_B Forum moderator / March 11, 2013 3:00 AM PDT

What can you do in MS-DOS that you can't do with the Windows XP setup disk?

Kees

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Reparing XP?
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / March 11, 2013 3:01 AM PDT

Good luck on your search but repairing a blown XP is pretty well discussed. We have many options if this is a full retail version and limited options if this is some OEM install.

I think I didn't write that but echoed the reason I read for that package's withdrawal.

Let's be sure to cover something important about DOS 6.22.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/118335

Your 20GB is well over it's supported size.
Bob

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Lost the letter i there.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / March 11, 2013 3:02 AM PDT
In reply to: Reparing XP?

Sorry for the typo.

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Administrator's Pak is a punt worth trying
by zieprt / March 11, 2013 5:19 PM PDT

> What can you do in MS-DOS that you can't do with the Windows XP setup disk?

I have the backup files and the floppy to do an Auto Repair but F2 comes up with all kinds of weird reasons not to continue. The reasons are inconsistent, from DLLs being missing (NTFDSOS reader can see them) to claiming the disk cannot be formatted.

There is something squirly, and since Windows Repair tools won't work, would like to give it a go on my ownsome with other tools.

> Let's be sure to cover something important about DOS 6.22.

I never mention 6.22 and according to Sysintern, the NTFSDOS tools work on DOS 7 e.g. "If you run NTFSDOS under DOS 7.0, NTFS drives will support long filename calls even before Windows starts."

W98's DOS 7 supports extremely large FAT32 partitions, way larger than the 32GB restriction of NT/XP/et al.

I've searched the recovery stories, and none of them have helped yet or seem applicable to this situation.

> We have many options if this is a full retail version and
> limited options if this is some OEM install.

The original was an OEM pre-install, but the CD I am using is a full retail XP3 SP3. This is the CD that the backup was done with, so at least half of the function works.

I want to give the Sysinternal tools which used to be available from Microsoft a try - that's why I want a copy of Administrator's Pak.

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DOS is DOS.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / March 12, 2013 4:07 AM PDT

Since DOS beyond 6.22 was never sold as "DOS" I take your word that we are talking DOS.

Good luck in your search but it's a shame we can't use the usual tools.
Bob

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While Winternal's Admin Pak was dropped ...
by Edward ODaniel / March 12, 2013 2:17 PM PDT
it was never abandoned nor put into the public domain. Winternals' Administrator's Pak's list price was $1,439 and it is still the Intellectual Property of Microsoft who acquired it from Winternals Software LP back in 2006. This presents problems for your request because any offer to provide you with it would be an act of piracy.

I liked ERD Commander but it had problems with SATA drives and even if it hadn't it too was never offered free so like many others I found alternative solutions such as Linux, BartPE, and others.

Since you like it, you can get your own personal copy of the free NTFDOS Professional 4.03 (full read/write) from this link:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Miscellaneous/NTFSDOS-Professional.shtml

Now you just need a DOS environment and fortunately you can still access DOS, or better yet, Windows 98 boot diskettes from here http://www.allbootdisks.com/

You can also download the Windows 7 Recovery Environment ISO to make use of and it offers a command interpreter that handles most of the commands you are familiar with as well as the native ability to access NTFS partitions with full read/write access:
http://www.windowsreinstall.com/winre/createfromiso/

Hope this helps you AND keeps things legal.
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That helps a lot
by zieprt / March 12, 2013 5:54 PM PDT

> This presents problems for your request because any offer to provide
> you with it would be an act of piracy.

Don't want to get into that situation, had not realized it was a priced product.

> You can also download the Windows 7 Recovery Environment ISO

I like this, will go for it.

Mighty helpful, thanks very much.

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