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Windows 98SE shows instead of XP Home Edition

by HelpMePleaseCNET / September 8, 2012 10:43 PM PDT

Hello everyone!
Hope I can get some assistance here as this is far beyond anything else I've encountered.

I'm upgrading a computer system from ATA to SATA drives (more complicated than that, if and when you require additonal information I'll be happy to provide as much technical detail to assist you!)
I have a SATA drive 600 GB WD Raptor brand new with my old ATA drive ( filled up 250 older GB drive with many partitions to letter V), transferred to it (it has a BSOD error for another reason when the transfer was done to save the data).
Upon reinstalling back in the computer and turning on instead of my usual four system Microsoft menu (four XP systems on the drive so solution can't be to erase a partition and do a parallel installation by the way as I have fully four OS on the drive) I saw something from my long long ago past, the Windows 98 SE logo saying that there was "no keyboard and no mouse" attached.
I worked hard to get workaround and finally got a keyboard attached (older wired style to USB) which managed to trick the program into proceeding to the next screen. It now says "click" ok to proceed. And guess what? There is no keyboard control, no mouse control because it may appear that the only thing to work on the computer is the old style PS/2 type of round connectors! The new computer with both ATA and SATA connections on the MB, has only USB (2.0), while my older computer had only PS/2 with ATA controller card. Windows 98SE does not recognize USB until it is loaded and I can't get to the loaded page without clicking "ok" and I can't get the arrow to move. I even tried my old PS/2 keyboard and mouse with modern-day adaptors (belkin and staples) to convert to USB and the drivers of course do not load until the program loads and Windows 98 does not have the basic requirements to operate anything until then!)
And the purpose of all my efforts is of course is to get the Windows 98SE to operate for a few minutes, long enough for me to re-upgrade back to my XP Home Edition (no disrespect to my old 98, but I upgraded all my 98's to XP's long ago.
Which brings me to why this is occurring....I'm at a total loss but again I'm trying to restore my four XP systems with over 150 programs (most of which can't be reloaded as they have propritory information/data storage or product keys that the websites have gone done in the years since, so reinstalling is impossible!)
One more curious bit of information you should know, and no one warned me back in the 1990s' or 1980s not to do this, I only have one "full" microsoft edition, Windows 3.0! Everything else (3.1, 3.1.1, WIn 95A, B, C, 98 and 98SE and of course XP Home Edition are all the upgrade versions, so this is complicating things. I did not install or make any partiitons without assistance of others or Partition Commander 10 etc. so they all were functioning when this original problem occured. The question that no one at Dell (the maker of the current circa 2007 computer) is able to fathom why, is why it would drop back down to Windows 98SE?
Let me know if I left out anything. I checked out a number of items on this forum and found interesting items. Long ago, Microsoft alerted me to the "memory" problem of older OS's so while I had 4GB SDRAM fully loaded on the 2007 Optiplex 320 Dell computer, I reduced it to one of my older 1 GB chips while trying to fix the BSOD problem caused by inaccurate Dell manual information.
Thanks for reading this far everyone! I really apprciate the help and advice!
HelpMePleaseCNET

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Re: Windows 98
by Kees_B Forum moderator / September 9, 2012 1:44 AM PDT

That's really strange. Windows 98 shouldn't support a SATA disk at all.

Of course, nobody on this forum nor anybody at Dell can look at your system to see what's on its disc(s) and (try to) understand why it does what it does. And nobody but you knows how you transferred the contents of the old ATA drive to the new SATA drive.
So I'm afraid you're on your own.

Luckily, it seems you still have your ATA disk. Why not keep that as a bootable disk while using your brand new SATA disk for storage only?

If I were you I'd boot from a GPARTED disk to have a look at the situation.

Kees

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by HelpMePleaseCNET / September 10, 2012 12:53 AM PDT
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Hello Kees:
First and foremost: Thanks for taking the time and interest to reply to me! I really appreciate it.

I of course did not write my full information therefore creating a shorter initial message, but as I see from your replies (2) to me, creating confusion, so here are some answers and missing information you were in the dark about so far....

You wrote:
" Of course, nobody on this forum nor anybody at Dell can look at your system to see what's on its disc(s) and (try to) understand why it does what it does. And nobody but you knows how you transferred the contents of the old ATA drive to the new SATA drive."
"So I'm afraid you're on your own."

Dell (the company itself) was the source of the assistance in copying everything from the ATA Drive to my new SATA drive (especially since I purchased the new drive from them as I wanted to be 100% positive it was approved and certified to work in my older ( but new to me only had it 2 years now) 2007 Computer.

IN the second post you added:
"once you have your 4 XP's booting again (or not even booting), you might find you need to tell it about the new motherboard and SATA drive. http://michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html gives the 25 steps procedure. Also you might find http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2007/09/how-to-install-a-new-motherboard-without-reinstalling-windows/ interesting to read."

I see I left you not understanding that I purchased the Dell computer from a professional re-seller for Dell locally who in March of last year, successfully followed those instructions (I would assume he did) and transferred the ATA Drive ( and my seperate data drives I had too) all to the new motherboard of the Optiplex 320 and left me with a working system (only one of the four XP OS were working when I gave him the drives to transfer and that is what he returned to me, the one XP Home system with dozens of programs still working).

So I was using it for a few months before I started on the planned "upgrade" to SATA drvies as this was my "inbetween computer" to slowly raise all the my drives (I must have over 15 with all the backups from Norton Ghost and etc) But every single drive until I got the new SATA drive were and still are ATA Drives.

The new 2007 computer has both ATA and SATA drive ports and will support four drives with power supply clips and bays galore! Just what I needed.

Yet this was not to be true.....

(Longer story short I got another SATA drive and installed clean XP Professional on it as I always wanted one with that, but its empty of programs, was to have been used for "new" programs that I've never installed or used over the years, that drive I used and removed from the internal bays of the computer and set aside, so I knew that SATA Drives DO work on the computer ---again I purchased that new SATA Drive from DELL to insure it would operate).

Then I got the newer 600 GB Drive as I have always had two separate drives for Data and Programs and wanted to have one new drive for all my programs together rather than swapping out drives as my older computer had hot swappable bays...

I guess you should ignore all this extra information above but I wrote it anyway in case you wondered "does SATA drives work on the 2007 Computer? and the answer is YES, I've done it and it worked.

Then I read your reply:
"Luckily, it seems you still have your ATA disk. Why not keep that as a bootable disk while using your brand new SATA disk for storage only?"

Yes! One would normally assume that is possible!

But in this particular model of Motherboard by DELL neither myself nor the re-seller nor Dell when it sold me the new SATA 600 drive for use in copying over the material from the ATA Drive to the SATA Drive realized....that you can't have ATA and SATA drives in the computer at the same time (yes you physically can, but not operating!)

The two drives refused to see each other, so copying was not possible!

Running programs from one or the other was impossible as well. The BIOS "reports" both drives and their sizes, but communication is not possible.

Dell and their technicians worked with me on the phone on the problem for months and finally pulling the plugs in and out so often and attempting to use different BIOS settings on the motherboard, that we got BSOD for the one running XP operating system. So that stopped me from playing around on the phone with Dell technicans anymore.

As its Dell's new SATA Drive I"m trying to copy to they made me a one time offer, to copy everything from my ATA Drive to their SATA Drive as Dell company did not realize until my case, that the Optiplex 320 User guide and all documentation does state that the motherboard supported four drives, and saying 2 ATA and 2 SATA ports, but never indicated that you can't have one or another of one or the other type running at the same time. (I mean you "can" but they can't "see" each other!).

And you know and I reserached the cost of data transfer, so it was a win-win situation for both of us, and I just sent off the Drives (old ATA and new SATA to Dell and they copied it and sent it back) The settings for the motherboard (I trust they did it, I sent them Letter/Email with the package reminding them to do so and just didn't want to over emphansize what it was, but they said they would use the exact same model to do the transfer (using another computer for my ATA of course) something I did not have here to do this and so the new SATA would be configured properly to the same exact computer/motherboard that I had. Really convenient and easy.

But when I got it back I got Windows 98 and Dell tried to figure out why as the settings are all the same as they used (reset to factory standard anyway).....so since its Windows 98 they signed off on helping me.

Since its WIndows 98, Microsoft will not help me either....

Leaving me with a drive with four operating systems on it and I can't tell which one or any of the four is doing this as the splash screen from Microsoft indicating there are four systems is missing as well after the copying was accomplished. I assume its something on the MBR, but I was assurred that everything was copied from one HDD to the other HDD.

So now you know where I am (other than "up a creek without a paddle") I do have help that has been promised to me. From Dell, should I get it back to the XP operating system again, THEN they will assist me as I still am warrantied for the software under Dell, and Microsoft has the same promise to me as the owner of the XP Home Edition, that once it boots up to XP again, THEN they can still help me (but only till 2014 I hear now).

One other thing........I always purchased my own operating system from Microsoft (remember the upgrades I mentioned in my earlier post), so the problems of the OEM changing motherboards does not apply and I've moved these programs and operating systems from one system to another over the years successfully until this ATA SATA problem, nothing really bad that I could not fix occurred.

Could you tell me if GPARTED disk partioner you reccommended is different from the Partition Commander 10 etc programs I've used to create and manage my partitions over the years? I always read that I should not "mix" things like partition creation programs else something bad could happen.

Thanks again for reading all of this.... Hope it helps!

HelpMePleaseCNET (sorry for the long handle)

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by Kees_B Forum moderator / September 9, 2012 1:51 AM PDT
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