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Will you be running Windows on your Intel Mac?

by mrmacfixit Forum moderator / April 12, 2006 8:42 AM PDT

Now that Apple have provided the means by which you can run Windows on your Intel Mac, Boot Camp, how many of you will actually be doing that?
Is running Windows on your Mac an important part of your computing experience, is fighting off virus's and other malware something that you look forward to doing or is the whole thing something that you can, and will, live without?


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Everyone wins on this one!!
by maggieboby / April 13, 2006 9:50 PM PDT

The only thing that kept me from owning a Mac was that there were too many programs I wouldn't be able to use since there was no Mac version. So, YES, I would be running Windows on a MAC. IMO, Apple computers have consistently been ahead of any trend (first w/ USB, first w/ Firewire, etc.), built better, perform better, have a longer ''lifespan'', and overall are great machines. To me, running Virtual PC and then Windows within that environment was not worth it -- Windows bogged down and didn't perform well.

(As an aside, I manage at a ''major computer superstore'' where I watch new product come in every day. We had our Apple computer specialist load Windows using Boot Camp and it just blew me out of the water!) I will definitely be purchasing a Mac this time ... I love the monitors, the graphics, etc. Now all I have to do is talk the hubby into believing I ''need'' it now!! LOL

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(NT) Running XP on a Mac
by hazelr / April 13, 2006 10:12 PM PDT

I purchase a Mac about a month ago, I was mad because so many thing were not ready or working on the mac,when Bootcamp came out I was glad and it cure all my problems ,both system on a mac is wonderful.By the way that was the only thing I had against my mac. Now the dual system has done the trick, the only thing I can not do on XP is have the camera working, I even try installing a quick cam to no avail as yet.Yes Dual system is the thing to do.Can anybody help on this?

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Drivers
by mrmacfixit Forum moderator / April 13, 2006 10:53 PM PDT

Bear in mind that Boot Camp is only a Beta product and as such, does not have every driver available.
I was interested in your comment "I was mad because so many thing were not ready or working on the mac".
What exactly was it that was not working?
Hopefully you don't mean that none of your Windows programs worked, they are not supposed to. Likewise, Mac programs do not work on Windows. So, what didn't work. Maybe we can help you

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Programs not ready
by drwho / April 14, 2006 3:31 AM PDT
In reply to: Drivers

I think he is refering to all the MAC programs written for the Motorola PowerPC / G3 & G4 based systems.

A lot of the BIG PROGRAMS from Adobe/Macromedia, ETC are still 6 - 8 months away from a complete rewrite for the MACintel chip. While the PPC versions should run under Rosetta, they won't operate at the speed of a Native Code version and may actually be slower than if they were running on a PPC system.

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Possibly, but I doubt it
by mrmacfixit Forum moderator / April 14, 2006 4:44 AM PDT
In reply to: Programs not ready

The poster has almost certainly never used OS 9 and ALL of the big programs run on OS X on the G3/G4/G5 processor, none of which were made by Motorola. Apple has not used Motorola chips since the PPC chip became the norm in all Mac's. Software developers stopped writing for OS 9 in 2000 and for the 680x0 processor quite a while before that.
So I don't think the poster has that problem. Note how there were not actual specifics as to what would not run. I'm still leaning toward the notion that they were referring to their .exe applications as the advent of Boot Camp solved the problem.

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Programs
by mrmacfixit Forum moderator / April 13, 2006 10:59 PM PDT

Just out of curiosity, what are the programs that you "wouldn't be able to use since there was no Mac version"?
Perhaps we could help with that.

Unless you mean all the Anti-Virus, Anti-Spyware, Anti-Malware, Anti-Adware stuff. Happy


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WordPerfect
by Kasabian37 / April 15, 2006 6:14 AM PDT
In reply to: Programs

My saddest loss in making the switch from Windows to Mac was WordPerfect but then I am still old enough to be mourning Lotus Manuscript and Magellan!

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A sad loss, maybe
by mrmacfixit Forum moderator / April 15, 2006 6:27 AM PDT
In reply to: WordPerfect
http://acmfiles.csusb.edu/corel/wpmac.html talks about, and offers a free download, of the last version of WordPerfect that was made for the Mac. It will run in classic mode but as the new Intel Mac has no Classic mode, you are back to square one.
Of course, if you have a regular G5/G4/G3 Mac then you should be in Hog Heaven.

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2 in 1, who wouldn't go for it?
by URTido / April 13, 2006 10:54 PM PDT

I used to be a Windows exclusive user, and I shunned Mac's. Then I started using them while I was in college, which coincidentally was when OS X first came out. Through the various versions of OS X released it has just gotten better and better, while Windows has been stagnant and becoming less and less secure.

Since the release of 10.3 I found myself preferring my iBook more often than my more powerful PC desktop. While I loved the programs and the interface of OS X, I didn't want to give up some of the software I have that only runs on PC's (plus it's nice to have both systems around because each has its virtues). Now that I don't have to choose between Windows or OSX for my next machine, I'll be buying a Mac laptop, and eventually a mac desktop, that I'll run both OSX and Windows (although I'll avoid windows like the plague whenever I can).

As more Mac programs become Universal Binaries that run faster on Intel Macs I am sure that I will use Windows less and less. I just hope that the ability to run Windows on an Intel Mac doesn't hinder software developers from making Mac versions of their software (there's a reason Windows is so bloated and only getting bigger, while OS X "trimmed the fat" when it got rid of OS9 support).

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dumping OS9 support
by drwho / April 14, 2006 3:39 AM PDT

was a really STUPID MOVE!! (but APPLE is famous for those!) There are still various programs out there that have not & WILL NOT be rewritten for any flavor of OS-Xcriment so now if you add WINDOZE to the mix, you will need a TRIPLE-BOOT, not a DUAL BOOT to be able to use all of them.

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Not yet, but yes.
by lampietheclown / April 13, 2006 11:27 PM PDT

It will be a while before I buy a new computer, mostly because what I have now is working well, partly because I've made some other large purchases that need to be paid off, and partly because I've learned to wait for rev. 2 or 3 on a "new" design.

When I do move over to the Intel chip, I see no reason to exclude a tool that will increase the number of things my computer can do.
There are software titles in my industry that are only written for Windows. I have found other ways to get my job done, sometimes by excluding equipment from the spec. that requires Windows software, and sometimes by using Mac software and adapting the result as best I can.

Understand that If I had Windows my problems would be the same, since there are Mac only titles, and and there is Mac driven hardware that Windows users must deal with.

Will I ever let the Windows OS see an e-mail, Sony disk, or "web art" site? Probably not. OSX is a much better tool for those tasks.

I can drive nails into wood with the end of a C-wrench. Eventually it will ruin the wrench, and it won't turn a bolt any more. It's a silly thing to do to my wrench when I have a perfectly good hammer.

I want both in my toolbox.


Lampie

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(NT) (NT) True... So True...
by alexanderpas / April 14, 2006 12:24 AM PDT
In reply to: Not yet, but yes.
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Not yet?
by taboma / April 14, 2006 2:06 PM PDT
In reply to: Not yet, but yes.

?Lampie, fun reply. I'm like you and like to wait and see concerning the Intel dual-core chip.
But to tell you the truth, who the heck wants to run Windows in the first place? Crash and burn all the time? No thanks.
I have a PC for my wife and have run Windows and programs.
I am sick and tired to be told that I have run an illegal operation.

Isn't that nice to be informed before crashing?
I will wait for the new OSX software version to come out and upgrade before I ever think of buying a new computer. My Mac G4 is still very fast running Photoshop.

Personally I think that it is a marketing move from Steve Jobs showing there is an increase, percentage wise, on who uses the Mac OS V/S PC Windowz.
Food for thought. Hold on to the tools that work!! :

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Yes, we need both OS too
by simoncroft / April 15, 2006 10:59 AM PDT
In reply to: Not yet, but yes.

Lampie makes a good point. You need the right tool for the job.

We can only process credit card transactions online using a PC, because of the way our bank has set up its web site. It's annoying but they show no signs of changing and moving our business would cost us in other ways.

Likewise, we have a customer that requires us to use Access. There is no Mac version of this Microsoft application, so we use PCs.

We already have licenses for Windows XP; from our point of view it would simply reduce the hardware count to have dual OS machines.

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Windows On Mac
by Batman / April 14, 2006 2:49 AM PDT

Why bother?
I thought the reason people used a mac was for an alternative to the big bad windows.

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looking forward to a new dual core iBook
by bigoil / April 14, 2006 3:13 AM PDT
In reply to: Windows On Mac

being able to run XP natively on the mac will be great, I use VPC but it takes my G5 to run it, and then for only limited programs. To be able to get my (yet to be purchaced) dual core mac-mini or (yet to be released/purchased) dual core ibook to run those great little windoze only utilities like mp3 editors etc will make my need my current windows laptop less. In fact we are just returning one we bought before the announcement (that we needed to run some specialized accounting software).

Looking at that other program that allows simultaneous booting and file sharing as well, though the reviews are not as good as the Mac Boot program. When they get the NTFS vs HFS+ stuff sorted maybe we can even move HD content around which would make it wonderful for me.

Wonder if the dual core Powermacs will allow the use of Windows cards like the ATI HDTV Wonder??

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not likely
by redhlr / April 14, 2006 4:41 AM PDT

Not likely, I can't think of any programs I would use that I can't get in a Mac version. I don't play games and frankly I've never had the remotest desire for windoze on my home camputer.

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Heck, no
by geekie / April 14, 2006 5:35 AM PDT

Whatever for? I switched to Mac to get away from Winders and it's much better. Wait'll they offer OSX for PCs.

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So you think I like to trip over a clunky WIN-box do you?
by hason2g / April 14, 2006 9:00 AM PDT

All my statistical software runs only on Windows. With XP on my MAC, I can deep six the WIN-box. And soon I can dual boot at the same time and paste my results from PC into MAC documents. I just hope that MAC's don't get too too popular. Then we'll become another inviting target for the PHISHERs and SPAMMers.

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Windows, but only when I absolutely must
by krioni--2008 / April 14, 2006 2:59 PM PDT

I'll have Windows locked down as tight as I can, and only use it as a last resport, or when some clueless website/software requires me to.

Mac OS X is where I can get a lot of work done, quickly, without all the hassle that Windows gives me.

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First thought was yes. Now?
by zurple07 / April 15, 2006 1:48 AM PDT

I will be getting my iMAC next month and as I had stated in earlier post I was going to run XP so I could work with PSCS2. Now Adobe has announced it will release CS3 in 2nd quarter of '07 for the MAC intel. After waiting this long to buy the best why screw it up with Window OS?

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Legal question
by grimgraphix / April 15, 2006 8:49 AM PDT

first I don't have the new mactel computer yet but if I did.

Would it be legal for me to take the XP sp2 disc I have from my recent purchase of a win box and install it on a mac using boot camp...

or am I required to purchase a fresh copy of windows XP for my Mactel (if I had one)?

If I have to buy a copy of XP then I wonder how many people will end up using the dual OS capability then?

grim

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Go for it. Here's why.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / April 15, 2006 9:02 AM PDT
In reply to: Legal question

Microsoft's Product Activation should help force the issue of whether your license is valid or not. If it won't activate then you know what to do.

Just for clarity. One license per PC (or Mac) so no sharing...

Bob

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Just as I thought
by grimgraphix / April 15, 2006 10:06 AM PDT
In reply to: Go for it. Here's why.

That is why I think the mactel's ability to boot winXP is nice but not that big a deal. There are lots of other things (including RAM) that I would rather spend my money on instead of an extra copy of XP.

I am confident (or delusional ;)) that most computer users who buy a mac and start using it will find little reason to use MS windows unless they are absolutely forced to.

In short, Mactel booting windows is a nice feature but not a major selling point. It is not going to send a rush of loyal windows users over to mac.

Thanks for the response Bob.

one other question. Does anyone know if Boot Camp will allow Longhorn/Vista to boot... will they need Boot Camp 2 or is this a non-issue.

Also, when Adobe comes out with universal CS3 I assume it will be backwards compatible with G4 and G5 machines... or will it? I hate to take anything for granted now a days.

grim

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XP copies
by mrmacfixit Forum moderator / April 15, 2006 11:47 AM PDT
In reply to: Legal question

1. No
2. Yes
3. Thereby hangs a tale.

The EULA on Windows only authorizes the installation on one machine at a time. Remember that XP, and presumably Vista, will have to be authorized by with a serial number with Microsoft. Failure to register, uniquely, will result in Windows ceasing to work after a period of time.

The cost of a copy of XP pro is more than a copy of Tiger.

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Will never violate my Mac with Windows
by scottspinola / April 15, 2006 1:40 PM PDT

As a blissfully happy Mac user, I will never violate my iBook with Windows and would never even consider owning a Windows operating system. I am forced to use Windows at work and that is enough cursing and aggravation for one day thank you very much. Happy

Besides, installing Windows on Apple hardware would instantly put my shiny happy iBook at risk for every vicious spyware and virus threatening the Windows world. This would threaten even my Mac-based data which I will not allow.

Windows? No thanks.

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Will never violate my Mac with Windows (Clarification)
by scottspinola / April 15, 2006 2:02 PM PDT

Embarrassingly I forgot to remember that Boot Camp only works on Mactels, one of which I do not have. However, my response will be the same when I eventually DO get a Mactel.

My Mac is my relief, my antidote, my magic mental massage to eradicate from my mind the trials and tribulations of struggling to get Windows to do even the simplest task in a logical way all day at work.

The day I purchase my first Mactel (a Mini with some external drives as my home server perhaps?) and am able to give Bill gates my money with a purchase of WinXP I will happily avoid doing so and never think twice.

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