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Who do you predict will win the HD format war?

by Marc Bennett CNET staff/forum admin / February 6, 2007 6:50 AM PST

Who do you predict will win the HD format war?

HD DVD (Why?)
Blu-ray (Why?)
Neither; they will both co-exist. (How so?)
I have no idea
I don't give a hoot (Why not?)
Other (What would that be?)

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by brickfungus / February 6, 2007 1:08 PM PST

...cuz it called dibs

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HD-DVD sounds better
by eranoco / February 8, 2007 8:18 AM PST
In reply to: HD-DVD

HD-DVD sounds a lot better than Blu-Ray. In comparison, HD-DVD sounds like a real format, and Blu-Ray sounds like a kid's marker for art and crafts.

But whatever; the dominant format that wins, wins domination. But the other will not be completely gone for a long while.

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Long while.
by gudguy / February 8, 2007 11:57 PM PST
In reply to: HD-DVD sounds better

Whichever DVD format wins the battle, it will almost surely be a long battle.

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could be.
by bamf06 / February 9, 2007 8:14 AM PST
In reply to: Long while.

If its going to be a long battle and then it would be only fair if both formats co-exist. If there is to be one loser it will be HD-DVD, or they co-exist. I can't see how blu-ray will lose at this point.

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by Tombo60 / March 19, 2007 6:38 AM PDT
In reply to: Long while.

I think that HD DVD will win because it is cheaper but I think that Blu Ray will return in the future.

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by David_cr / February 10, 2007 1:33 AM PST
In reply to: HD-DVD sounds better

I would just like to sound off by saying are you serious, your predition
is based on what it sounds like.Why don't you go over to IRAQ LISTEN TO WHAT IS GOING ON AND GIVE US YOUR STUPID PREDITION OF THE OUTCOME....

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by eranoco / March 8, 2007 8:48 PM PST

Prediction? I just said that "HD-DVD sounds a lot better than Blu-Ray". That was just an opinion. I was really being neutral in the outcome with the statement "But whatever; the dominant format that wins, wins domination." That can go either way, and I don't really care which wins. I just "do NOT like" the name Blu-Ray. Hahaha How would feel if some future format for media was named "Boo-Blue"?? ROFL

But it sounds like someone here is having a fit over the Iraq situation here... And even with that totally different topic, which shouldn't even belong here, I have NOoooo prediction; let alone a significant opinion on that topic. And I know our troops are accessing the web, and I respect them and support their efforts; even forgiving miscommunication.

Let me define the two different concepts here using as reference:

opinion: a personal view, attitude, or appraisal
prediction: a statement made about the future; the act of predicting (as by reasoning about the future)

However, if you really meant "predition", that word does not officially exist, LOL

Sorry it took a month to respond. Going through thousands of junk mail, with a couple dozen legitimate ones each day, takes FOREVER!.

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HD War
by Peterbit / February 6, 2007 1:23 PM PST

Neither format has an edge over the other, all I see is another way to get the public to spend money on systems much as it was with VHS vs Beta. Instead of working together to develop the best system possible thety end up in a P***ing cointest.

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HD DVD vs. BlueRay and VHS vs. Beta
by basotl / February 6, 2007 2:30 PM PST
In reply to: HD War

What do most experts believe made a difference in the VHS vs Beta war?... the P0RN industry. P0RN was banned on the Beta and the industry gave VHS a little push of larger market share.

Now representatives of the P0RN industry say that Sony is not making them feel welcomed and they are going with HD DVD. I'm thinking this might be enough of a push to give HD DVD a push ahead.

Then again it is very possible that players will begin supporting both formats. Like +/- DVD-R on the computer.

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but it's 2007
by brickfungus / February 6, 2007 2:38 PM PST

we have the interweb now.

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True, but some things don't download well
by Leria / February 6, 2007 5:22 PM PST
In reply to: but it's 2007

It is true that we have the internet for porn now, but the problem is that most of the porn on the internet is of such inferior quality as far as videos go because of bandwidth limitations, that most porn productions will be on DVD or HD-DVD/Blu-Ray for a long time to come.

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Then there's USENET
by MikeTex / February 6, 2007 9:38 PM PST

Maybe not from the web, but the news groups are already full of pirated DVD titles and some quality HD video. Right now it's mostly HD TV programs, but I'm sure when porn goes HD you'll be able to find it up there to download. The real winners will be hard drive manufacures...

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Porn has decided it before, what's different now?
by muzzin / February 6, 2007 9:49 PM PST

I agree with basotl, porn will rule. Since the porn industry has more gross revenues (evidently) by a long shot (no pun intended) than mainstream Hollywood. please refer to:,2933,245638,00.html

The porn industry has been a leader in innovation and adoption as well,2933,245638,00.html

In short, if the porn industry makes $12 billion per year in the US versus $9 billion for Hollywood and they are faster adopters, the logical conclusion is they win. But if that is isn't convincing enough, can you guess which format porn chose in the VHS versus Betamax debate. If you think there will be a winner in the race, I'd put my cash on the less expensive format that the adult filmmakers like more.

Choose wisely. Happy

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but really
by CobNat / February 7, 2007 3:53 AM PST

who wants to see "that" in High Definition? ew

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Hd will win
by ozplaya81 / July 16, 2007 5:25 PM PDT
In reply to: but really

i would love to watch high definition porn on my 67 inch led dlp rather than a 21 inch computer monitor

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Porn industry is bigger than Microsoft (no pun intended)
by treerod1 / February 7, 2007 5:03 AM PST

About a year ago I remember reading that the worldwide porn industry has an annual revenue of about $80 Billion. I'd have to say that in itself makes it a major player in the decision-making process, although the article did not break out what percentage goes to porn video purchases.

Mathmatically speaking, that's equivalent to every man, women and child spending $40 a year on porn ... which we know doesn't happen that way. So that means there is a significant number of people making major purchases of porn materials, which in turn means that someone is paying atention to this group of consumers.

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I just found this discussion
by gbear1970 / February 8, 2007 1:43 PM PST

What a riot! I can't believe I am reading this. How sad. More people
are watching than doing evidently. If this is the deciding criteria, I guess it is "whatever floats your boat."

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Who would have guessed?
by gudguy / February 9, 2007 12:17 AM PST

It seems to be a reality. We may not agree with it. It may even seem incredulous. However, facts don't lie. It seems that the adult entertainment industry is a huge factor in thia issue. Wh would have guessed? I was stunned.

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Porn makes quite a bit...
by chrizm32 / April 3, 2007 10:24 AM PDT

And that just includes the people who actually pay for it. Imagine if ALL the pornaholics actually PAID for it. Pornography would exceed the tobacco and oil industries in terms of profit. Our politicians would be "owned" by the porn industry, and we would be forced to pay ridiculous prices for our pornography...

A little off topic, but yeah, I had to. The truth is that HD DVD offers the same resolutions as Blu-Ray. The only REAL advantage Blu-Ray has is that it can hold 66% more information than HD DVD. Nobody really needs that kind of storage potential. It's not like all of us are archiving "home movies" in high definition or anything. HD DVD is, and always will be, cheaper than Blu-Ray. However, as long as the PS3 is in existence and Sony puts their games on BD disks, Blu-Ray will always have a presence.

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Re: P*** makes quite a difference
by eranoco / April 3, 2007 4:33 PM PDT

I Agree!

We can't just judge a cover by the book behind it. We really should judge a book by its cover! Happy And from the way things look, both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray has some good stuffing (and they both look good too!).

Since porn has been mentioned here, I'll use that as an example. There are many types of porn. Without being too detailed, I'll label two different groups as porn A and porn B. Some will hate porn B and love porn A and the others will hate porn A and love porn B. To make simple differences between humans, there's men and there's women (people are different, in other words). In terms of technology, some have a DVD player and some others have (and still use) a VHS player. Just as SOME people have and play an XBox 360 and others have and play a PlayStation!

The point is that there are two solid camps. One may be better than another in a specific area and the other better than the other in another specific area.

If there's technology to utilize BOTH forms of media (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray), that would be a better path. The end road is when one loses financially compared to the other. So this becomes a financial number game! Our votes just plays into politics; nothing more. Wink

And since my computer rebooted due to spyware or something that seems to keep trying to steal my Windows Desktop Background for some mysterious reason, I don't know and don't have a bookmark as to the exact post I was replying to. Therefore, I'm sorry for having a confusing reply of "I Agree" with the above details that may not seem to match to what I'm replying to. (I'm just using my best guess.)


The debate is almost like "which will win, Apples or Oranges?".
They're both sweet and good. One has a red skin and the other is orange just like the name, they both cost money with Oranges being a LITTLE more expensive for random reasons, certain stores only carry one or the other, and the oranges are slightly larger than the apples.

In the past, there were regular VHS and S-VHS. A certain player was needed for S-VHS and it WAS better than VHS. Who won? They both became obsolete before an actual winner from what I think I know. LOL The point is, something better may actually arrive to the market before either can be declared a true winner.

I'm guessing that both will win. But if one wants to rally behind just one technology; they could buy a player and some associated movies to that player for themselves and as gifts to their friends and relatives! Wink A REAL vote would be putting your wallet where your support is! hahaha YEA! (My support goes to the end winner and technology, whoever that is. I have plenty of beer to wait. LOL)

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totally diiferent
by bamf06 / April 3, 2007 6:13 PM PDT

With other technologies different formats can co-exist. The thing with the movie disc format is that all the movie studios and retail and the consumer don't want 2 formats.
You can have the Plasma tv vs LCD tv if you want but as a consumer and program provider you don't get burned when you decide one of the other becasue you still will get the same tv channels, so this means that both tv technologies can co-exist. This isn't like that for the movie disc format, you'll get burned if you choose the wrong one as its inevitable than one will die out. This also make like dificult for the consumer as they are forced to choose a format between the two. Having exclusive to one format is a bummer and blu-ray has so many more exclusive than HD-DVD and if the consumer knows this then that may sway them.
At this time the majority of retailers, expert analysists and people in the movie business are backing blu-ray to win and with sales of 3:1 ratio in favour of blu-ray, if you were to be a betting man, betting on HD-DVD would be like placing a bet on a 3 legged horse to win the derby.

This whole porn argument is still going on? HD-DVD isn't the only way to get access to porn so not owning a HD-DVD player wouldn't mean you was missing out, and I can't see how it would be better masturbating over a HD porn than over a regular DVD one. Who would go out and buy a HD-DVD player for porn?

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HD DVD vs BlueRay
by mjudah / February 8, 2007 4:46 AM PST

I agree that the porn industry killed Beta, it will also kill BlueRay.

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(NT) Thank you.
by gudguy / February 8, 2007 11:51 PM PST
In reply to: HD DVD vs BlueRay
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Sony wouldn't make the same mistake twice?
by bamf06 / February 9, 2007 7:58 AM PST
In reply to: HD DVD vs BlueRay

If porn killed Beta, Sony would know this and wouldn't want to repeat that mistake again. So why would Sony not allow porn to be on blu-ray. Either porn didn't kill Beta (I don't think anyone in these forums actually know if it did) or porn will come on blu-ray. I know of one firm bringing porn on blu-ray. So maybe this info about porn not coming on blu-ray is false and was created just so HD-DVD fans had one argument to go on.

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We shall see, my friend...
by gudguy / February 15, 2007 12:13 AM PST

Only time will tell.

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HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray or is it Beta/VHS all over again
by bike_brain / February 6, 2007 3:41 PM PST
In reply to: HD War

I've seen both demo'ed at local shops. The Blu-Ray seems superior on just a few things (already discussed) and does seem better "funded". BUT it really stinks, imho, at holding together (lots of "pixelation" and digital artifacts on several different set-ups I've seen). I haven't seen that on HD-DVD. But I also know that it is usually something other than "quality" that makes the decision. This is economics just like it was with VHS! Whomever makes the better economic choices will win. Did SONY learn the last of these wars? Their history of product development leads me to be very skeptical. Either way we win and we loose. I agree with the sentiment that it is too bad they can't cooperate and share the best of the best. Sigh! (They are both such improvements though- and both are WAY more expensive than necessary even predicting into the future). IMHO Happy

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Both formats will coexist.
by Jonathan8606 / February 6, 2007 8:59 PM PST
In reply to: HD War

I believe that both formats will coexist for a long time to come.

The studios (except for Sony pictures) will become format neutral and issue all their content in both format. They're not about to leave money on the table just to please Sony or Toshiba.

So if you go with the cheaper player (HD-DVD) you'll be missing the Sony Pictures content. Then the issue will be "will you spend an extra $xx to view Sony pictures content."

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Breaking news in the DVD wars
by mattpam99 / February 7, 2007 12:01 AM PST

Before drawing any conclusions look whats on the horizon! New Medium Enterprises {OTC,Bulletin Board NMEN-News} Jan 30th '07. "NME releases HD VMD Media Format to playback on ALL HD-capable electronic devices". Backed by Asian money they have already setup a distribution system and will start to deliver their high resolution, universal players and burners later this year.
This could revolutionize the DVD controversy if it becomes generally acccepted

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More than two formats will co-exist.
by montreal_1 / February 7, 2007 9:47 PM PST

I believe that not only will both formats survive but that others will be created to reside on the same physical media, be it a HD-DVD blank or a Blu-Ray blank.

I have a 5 year old SACD player collecting dust basically because low-rez MP3 audio formats have had a greater impact in the market place.

Why? because MP3 can deliver more audio bang per megabytes of storage space than RedBook.

I predict the same trend will repeat with disk video. Someone will find a newer format that allows images to appear to be higher in quality using less giga-bytes. Illusion is everything.

I predict that Blu-Ray (the hardware, not the format) will become the choice machine in the computing industry for the simple reason that it offers the greater density.

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(NT) Thanks for your comments. You may very well be right!
by gudguy / February 8, 2007 4:43 AM PST
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