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Upgrading Gateway DX4860 with ATI HD 7970 ?

by Xavier_ETS / December 7, 2012 3:15 AM PST

Upgrading Gateway DX4860 with ATIHD 7970 ?
Hi everyone, thank you for taking time to read my question.

I want to upgrade my Gateway XD4860 with an ATI HD 7970, and i wonder if it is possible or if the card is too big, do i need to upgrade things like the power supply and can my mother board handle it well ?

Lets first give you the specs of my computer :

Operating System : Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor : True Quad-Core Intel Core i7 2600 @ 3.40 Ghz processor
Chipset : Intel H67 Express Chipset
Memory : 8 GB up to 16 GB of dual-channel 1333 MHz DDR3 system memory, using four DIMM modules
Graphics : ATI HD 6670 Graphics
Discrete card support for high-end NVIDIA GeForce and AMD Radeon graphics cards
Microsoft DirectX 11
Hard Drive : up to three Serial ATA hard disks, each up to 2 TB
3.5" easy-swap HDD bay
Media Card Reader5 Multi-in-1 media card reader, supporting:
CompactFlash (Type I and II)
CF+ Microdrive
MultiMediaCard (MMC)
MMCmobile
Reduced-Size MultiMediaCard (RS-MMC)
Secure Digital (SD) Card
miniSD Card
xD-Picture Card
Memory Stick
Memory Stick PRO
Memory Stick Duo
Memory Stick PRO Duo
Optical Drive, Optical drive options:
Blu-ray reader / SuperMulti DVD burner combination drive
DVD-Super Multi double-layer drive
Audio High-definition audio with 5.1-channel support
Communication1 Ethernet: Gigabit Ethernet
Wi-Fi: 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi CERTIFIED
Front Ports Four USB 2.0 ports
Headphone and microphone-in jack
Multi-in-one card reader
Rear Ports Six USB 2.0 ports
PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports
Three audio ports
HDMI port with HDCP support
D-Sub VGA port
Ethernet (RJ-45) port
Add-In Card Slots and expansion bays Add-in card slots:2 Dual USB 3.0 ports add-on card
Power Supply : 300 W (non-PFC), 500 W (full range)
Dimensions : (W x D x H) 7.09 x 15.82 x 14.92 inches (180 x 401.8 x 379 mm)


And i suppose i should also give you guys a link to the spec of the video card. I wanted to upgrade mine for a while and wasn't sure if i could upgrade it. I had an eye on the ATI HD 7970 for a little while and now that the price as go down a bit and they are giving 3 free games (Farcry3, Sleeping Dogs and Hitman), i'm decided to buy it if i can.

Model :
Brand HIS
Model H797F3G2M

Interface :
PCI Express 3.0 x16

Chipset Manufacturer :
AMD GPU
Radeon HD 7970
Core Clock
925MHz
Stream Processors
2048 Stream Processors

Memory :
Effective Memory Clock
1375MHz (5.5Gbps)
Memory Size
3GB
Memory Interface
384-bit
Memory Type
GDDR5

3D API :
DirectX
DirectX 11
OpenGL
OpenGL 4.2

Ports :
HDMI
1 x HDMI
DisplayPort
2 x Mini DisplayPort
DVI
1 x DVI

General :
RAMDAC
400 MHz
Max Resolution
4096 x 2160 (HDMI)
4096 x 2160 (DisplayPort)
2560 x 1600 (DL-DVI)
Eyefinity Support
Yes
CrossFireX Support
Yes
Cooler
With Fan
System Requirements
Minimum of a 500 Watt power supply.
Power Connector
6 pin / 8 pin
Dual-Link DVI Supported
Yes
HDCP Ready
Yes
Card Dimensions
11.53" x 4.96" x 1.65"

Thanks for helping me decide if i can buy this new toy ! Happy

Additional Details :

Ok, i think it is possible to upgrade it as i want to, but i see i have a 300w power supply by opening my computer and doing a research on my PS model. The HD 7970 require a 500w PS, so i guess i'll have to upgrade that. Now i'm a bit worried tho about the size of the card. Will it fit into my computer ? If any of you own an Gateway and could tell me if this ATI card fit inside it would be awesome. Also, i don't know much about Power supply, Wich one should i get, 500w is enough or a 550w ? Maybe i'm better with an ever better one or is it useless ? Finally will it fit inside my computer too ? I found this power supply that seem quite cheap and providing 550w, what do you think about it ? : Ultra LSP650 650-Watt Power Supply - ATX, SATA-Ready, SLI-Ready, 135mm Fan for 63.99 $

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Why such a high end GPU?
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / December 7, 2012 4:08 AM PST

Why not stick with the 6670? A quick look seems you're not getting that much more than what you have?
Bob

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The HD 6670 just don't play new games well.
by Xavier_ETS / December 7, 2012 4:35 AM PST

While the HD 6670 2gb is still running all the games, it can be lagging and not that good with shooters.
Most of the time, i must turn the shadows all the way down and even more options. I rarely play a game from 2012 with ultra setting, even very high. At normal settings and my usual 1920p i can't quite get enough FPS to get a really smooth gaming experience. Also, i wish to get a card that will let me play game on ultra or high settings for at least 1-2 years without worrying about upgrading. ALSO this card is only about 360 $ with 3 free games. So i think its a good choice.

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Here a Quick comparison between the 2 cards :
by Xavier_ETS / December 7, 2012 4:43 AM PST

Here you can see a quick graphical comparison between the two cards,
there is quite a huge performance gap between the two. So Thanks bob
for your awnser but i think i can get a lot better performance with an HD 7970.
Unless i'm missing something.

Well There is the link :

http://www.hwcompare.com/11279/radeon-hd-6670-oem-vs-radeon-hd-7970/

Ps : My question still stand, Will this card fit, my mother board can handle it ?
Any info about what kind of Power supply i need ?

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An image from the "inside" could help
by Xavier_ETS / December 7, 2012 5:02 AM PST

Me again posting,

Here a link to a picture of the inside of the computer to help you get an idea about space.
http://i52.tinypic.com/316w9lg.jpg

This might help you know if the card can fit.

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It seem i can't delete my post.
by Xavier_ETS / December 7, 2012 5:08 AM PST
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The chart I looked at didn't show as big a gain.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / December 7, 2012 5:48 AM PST

As to fitting, you can get the dimensions of the new card and cut up a piece of cardboard to test fit it. Some need to do that since measuring the insides is not possible.

That hard drive bracket on the right looks to be the only issue. Does it unbolt?
Bob

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I made some mesurements
by Xavier_ETS / December 7, 2012 6:08 AM PST

Ok, i made some mesurements,

The video card is 12 inch long, some more expensive from other manifacturer are 10.5 inch long.
Right now i only got 10 inch of space because of the drive bracket. I looked as you asked, and yes it seem easy enough to unbolt. Maybe i can just put the harddrive on the bottom of the casing or something i can figure out. If i can remove that, i have plenty of room.

The only thing that bother me, i'm not sure if the RAM socket are in the way.
And after some reseach i guess a 550w PSu should do the job, and i suppose they are all standard size and should fit in my computer ? That will be a pain to play with all the cables in a small computer lol. I should have bought a bigger one to begin with.

Thank you for your help Bob.

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Please get a SINGLE RAIL PSU
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / December 7, 2012 10:31 AM PST

That way you are sure to get enough Amperes on the rail that will power the GPU.

The picture I got above didn't seem to have a HDD in that bracket. The good news is that a HDD can be mounted in other places.
Bob

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My Components List
by Xavier_ETS / December 8, 2012 6:12 AM PST

There is a list of components i might choose for the upgrade,
I would like the know what you think about it and if i'm missing something
like the number of pin connectors and if compatible with my quad core i7
and Radeon HD 7970 Video Card.

Power Supply Specs: Price (59.99$ + 3.99 Shipping)
Description: Rosewill Green Series RG630-S12 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified, Single 12V Rail, Active PFC "Compatible with Core i7,i5" Power Supply.
Model:
Brand: Rosewill
Model: RG630-S12
Series: Green Series
Spec:
Type : ATX12V v2.3 & EPS12V v2.92
Maximum Power: Continuous mailto:630W@40°C
Fans: 1 x Silent 120mm Golf Fan
PFC: Active
Main Connector: 20+4Pin
+12V Rails: Single
PCI-Express Connector: 1 x 6-Pin, 1 x 6+2-Pin,
SATA Power Connector: 6
SLI: SLI Ready
CrossFire: CrossFire Ready
Modular: No
Efficiency: >80%, Up to 85%
Energy-Efficient: 80 PLUS Certified
Over Voltage Protection: Yes
Overload Protection :Yes
Input Voltage: 100 - 240 V
Input Frequency Range :47 - 63 Hz
Input Current : 10A @ 115V, 5A @ 230V
Output :+3.3V@24A, +5V@24A, +12V@50A, -12V@0.5A, +5Vsb@2.5A
MTBF : >100,000 Hours
Approvals :UL, CUL, TUV, CB, FCC, ROHS
Dimensions :5.91" x 3.39" x 5.51"
Weight :4.62 lbs.
Features:
Connectors
1 x 20+4Pin Main Connector
1 x 4+4Pin ATX12V/EPS12V Connector
1 x 6Pin PCI-E Connector
1 x 6+2Pin PCI-E Connector
6 x 4Pin Peripheral Connector
6 x 5Pin SATA Connector
1 x 4Pin Floppy Connector

Single 12V rail provide stable reliable power
Active power Factor Correction(PFC) provides clean and reliable power to your system
Universal AC input 90~264V automatically scans and detects the correct voltage
Black Coating Housing
Mesh sleeving on all cables for easier cable routing and better ventilation
Over Temperature/Current/Voltage/Power Protection, Under Voltage Protection, and Short Circuit Protection provide maximum safety to your critical system components

Link to NewEgg :
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182200

Video Card Specs : (359.99$ + 12.99 Shipping + 3x AAA Games)
Description: HIS H797F3G2M Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card. Come with Downloadable games: FarCry 3, Hitman Absolution, Sleeping Dogs.
Model:
Brand: HIS
Model: H797F3G2M
Interface: PCI Express 3.0 x16
Chipset
Chipset Manufacturer: AMD
GPU: Radeon HD 7970
Core Clock: 925MHz
Stream Processors: 2048 Stream Processors
Memory:
Effective Memory Clock: 1375MHz (5.5Gbps)
Memory Size: 3GB
Memory Interface: 384-bit
Memory Type: GDDR5
3D API
DirectX: 11
OpenGL: 4.2
Ports:
1 x HDMI
2 x Mini DisplayPort
1 x DVI
General :
RAMDAC: 400 MHz
Max Resolution
4096 x 2160 (HDMI)
4096 x 2160 (DisplayPort)
2560 x 1600 (DL-DVI)
Eyefinity Support: Yes
CrossFireX Support: Yes
Cooler: With Fan
System Requirements: Minimum of a 500 Watt power supply.
Power Connector: 6 pin / 8 pin
Dual-Link DVI Supported: Yes
HDCP Ready: Yes
Card Dimensions: 11.53" x 4.96" x 1.65"
Link to NewEgg :
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161399

Cooling System for moved HDD :
The suggested Scythe SCIT-1000 Slim Hard Disk Cooler Is discontinued.
I'll have to keep looking for a cheap and slim bottom HDD cooler.

So, what do you think of theses Components are they fine or is the power supply over-kill for my system ?
Price summary :
Video card : 359.99
+ shipping 12.99
PSu :59.99
+ shipping 3.99
Bonus 3 video games value : 160.00 $ free
Total of = 436.96 CND $

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I second the motion....move the HDD up to a 5.25"
by VAPCMD / December 8, 2012 3:58 AM PST

drive bay, remove the HDD cage and purchase/install the GPU of choice.

If you need an HDD cooler, there are plenty around that can mount on the bottom of the HDD or you can get some thing like this http://www.coolerguys.com/840556095743.html if extra cooling is required.

VAPCMD

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Thanks for the advices !
by Xavier_ETS / December 8, 2012 5:12 AM PST

Thank you for you advices,

I didn't knew the HDD could need a cooler, i'll keep that in mind Anyway it is quite cheap.
I'll look into the single rail PSu, i'll update the topic when i've found what i think i should buy.

Then you could tell me if it is a good choice, so i don't get suprises when i try to install the components.

Since i never really updated components in my computers yet, i'm wondering if i need to modify some configurations in the bios etc. Or i simply :
1- Uninstall old video drivers.
2- Close the computer, disconect it
3- Remove and replace the PSu.
4- Unbolt the Hard Drive bracket and move my HDD adding a cooler.
5- Remove and replace the video card.
6- I can lower the Wireless adapter in the lower slot to get more room for the Video Card.
7- I plug all the wires back on everything and i'm guessing the video card will need a wire for power from the PSu.

Then if i plug in the computer and start it up, everything should work if i did everything right.
Final step- Install the new video card drivers.

I'm i missing something ?

Thanks again Happy

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That looks good from here and I would suggest checking
by VAPCMD / December 8, 2012 6:19 AM PST

the instructions provided with the new GPU. Sometimes they recommend uninstalling the software for the old card, installing the software for the new card, shutting down, remove old card, install new card and when it starts up, it finds the applicable SW.

RE BIOS....I wouldn't touch it or change any settings unless you're experiencing a problem that a new BIOS version claims to solve.

RE moving the HDD, you might need a 5.25" to 3.5" adapter so check that out before you start.

Good luck you asked the questions upfront as it helps ensure the upgrade success..

Let us know how it works out.

VAPCMD

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My Components List
by Xavier_ETS / December 8, 2012 6:29 AM PST

It seems i didn't posted this at the bottom, Also i will look into a HDD adapter as suggested.
There is a list of components i might choose for the upgrade,
I would like the know what you think about it and if i'm missing something
like the number of pin connectors and if compatible with my quad core i7
and Radeon HD 7970 Video Card.

Power Supply Specs: Price (59.99$ + 3.99 Shipping)
Description: Rosewill Green Series RG630-S12 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified, Single 12V Rail, Active PFC "Compatible with Core i7,i5" Power Supply.

Model:
Brand: Rosewill
Model: RG630-S12
Series: Green Series

Spec:
Type : ATX12V v2.3 & EPS12V v2.92
Maximum Power: Continuous 630W@40°C
Fans: 1 x Silent 120mm Golf Fan
PFC: Active
Main Connector: 20+4Pin
+12V Rails: Single
PCI-Express Connector: 1 x 6-Pin, 1 x 6+2-Pin,
SATA Power Connector: 6
SLI: SLI Ready
CrossFire: CrossFire Ready
Modular: No
Efficiency: >80%, Up to 85%
Energy-Efficient: 80 PLUS Certified
Over Voltage Protection: Yes
Overload Protection :Yes
Input Voltage: 100 - 240 V
Input Frequency Range :47 - 63 Hz
Input Current : 10A @ 115V, 5A @ 230V
Output :+3.3V@24A, +5V@24A, +12V@50A, -12V@0.5A, +5Vsb@2.5A
MTBF : >100,000 Hours
Approvals :UL, CUL, TUV, CB, FCC, ROHS
Dimensions :5.91" x 3.39" x 5.51"
Weight :4.62 lbs.

Features:
Connectors
1 x 20+4Pin Main Connector
1 x 4+4Pin ATX12V/EPS12V Connector
1 x 6Pin PCI-E Connector
1 x 6+2Pin PCI-E Connector
6 x 4Pin Peripheral Connector
6 x 5Pin SATA Connector
1 x 4Pin Floppy Connector

Single 12V rail provide stable reliable power
Active power Factor Correction(PFC) provides clean and reliable power to your system
Universal AC input 90~264V automatically scans and detects the correct voltage
Black Coating Housing
Mesh sleeving on all cables for easier cable routing and better ventilation
Over Temperature/Current/Voltage/Power Protection, Under Voltage Protection, and Short Circuit Protection provide maximum safety to your critical system components

Link to NewEgg :
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182200

Video Card Specs : (359.99$ + 12.99 Shipping + 3x AAA Games)
Description: HIS H797F3G2M Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card. Come with Downloadable games: FarCry 3, Hitman Absolution, Sleeping Dogs.

Model:
Brand: HIS
Model: H797F3G2M
Interface: PCI Express 3.0 x16

Chipset
Chipset Manufacturer: AMD
GPU: Radeon HD 7970
Core Clock: 925MHz
Stream Processors: 2048 Stream Processors

Memory:
Effective Memory Clock: 1375MHz (5.5Gbps)
Memory Size: 3GB
Memory Interface: 384-bit
Memory Type: GDDR5
3D API
DirectX: 11
OpenGL: 4.2

Ports:
1 x HDMI
2 x Mini DisplayPort
1 x DVI

General :
RAMDAC: 400 MHz
Max Resolution
4096 x 2160 (HDMI)
4096 x 2160 (DisplayPort)
2560 x 1600 (DL-DVI)
Eyefinity Support: Yes
CrossFireX Support: Yes
Cooler: With Fan
System Requirements: Minimum of a 500 Watt power supply.
Power Connector: 6 pin / 8 pin
Dual-Link DVI Supported: Yes
HDCP Ready: Yes
Card Dimensions: 11.53" x 4.96" x 1.65"

Link to NewEgg :
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161399

Cooling System for moved HDD :
The suggested Scythe SCIT-1000 Slim Hard Disk Cooler Is discontinued.
I'll have to keep looking for a cheap and slim bottom HDD cooler.

So, what do you think of theses Components are they fine or is the power supply over-kill for my system ?

Price summary :
Video card : 359.99
+ shipping 12.99
PSu :59.99
+ shipping 3.99
Bonus 3 video games value : 160.00 $ free
Total of = 436.96 CND $
Many thanks and i would like some feedback about the PSu listed here.
Sorry for my bad english, i'm used to speak french Silly

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