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Serious information about the Sandy Hook shooting

by Ziks511 / December 16, 2012 10:38 PM PST

likely to set the cat among the pigeons here. With few exceptions, (only two I can think of off-hand) Mass Shooting is a crime perpetrated by younger white men.

Two years ago to the month, December, a study was published in the Health Sociology Review of 3 recent mass school shootings beginning with Columbine.


More controversia is the assertion by David Sirota first on MSNBC on Saturday, because it challenges the immunity from serious scrutiny that white males enjoy where he advanced a number of ideas which while provocative, are a derive logically from this kind of act and the similarity of most perpetrators. It seriously challenges the privilege that white males enjoy in the eyes of the Police, and the FBI, and all other organizations


Law enforcement is quite happy to racially profile and act on racial profiles if the person is Black or a Middle Eastern Muslim. This prejudicial profile is uppermost in the minds of most of us, as was revealed in the response to the George Zimmerman's shooting of Trayvon Martin. Nearly everybody assumes that the shooting was justified primarily based on the colour of the victim, and sees no peculiarity in Zimmerman's following Martin and accosting him as if he was a duly appointed policeman, rather than a private citizen, and making the young man feel threatened. Nor does anyone see the imbalance in weaponry as odd. Martin had a drink tin and a package of some snack, Zimmerman had an Automatic Pistol.

I normally don't like the advancing of "white male privilege" as a concept, I consider it glib and the result of taking "politically correct" thought to an extreme, but in these cases, it begins to look persuasive. Why is it that mass shootings are a white male crime with very very few exceptions? And virtually all of the perpetrators are from suburban or rural homes. The only exceptions that occur to me are the Virginia Tech shooting, and Colin Fergusson and the Long Island Commuter train shooting.

Mass shootings appear to be a way to give the perpetrator's suicide meaning at least to himself, a peculiar psychological effect arising from a sense of persecution where no persecution exists. The Sandy Hook School shooting is perhaps the most extreme example of this. How could the shooter have felt persecuted by those children? His mother I can understand somewhat, but little children he'd never met? unless he felt his mother cared more about them than about him. This perception is almost certain to be wrong, but stress can be gravely unbalance the mind. And a feeling of persecution is a common a reaction to that stress.


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(NT) You're trying to make a racial thing of this shooting?
by James Denison / December 17, 2012 3:42 AM PST
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Can't you read? It's simple English. If I were making
by Ziks511 / December 17, 2012 11:36 AM PST

a racial argument there would have to be a reported racial element in the crime. Clearly there has been none.

"White male privilege" is the fact that we can pass unremarked through any situation where a minority would be obvious. The operative word is privilege. Skin colour just gives a context to the privilege being accorded of not exciting suspicion.

Say what you like but neither women, nor visibly different minorities pass so unremarked, as part of the background. Why else did .. oh, I don't know, ... Ted Bundy cruise along with out being caught for so long. He was simply part of the background, part of the unexamined class of men.


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white male privilege exposed
by James Denison / December 17, 2012 9:48 PM PST
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Suburban Sniper Game?
by James Denison / December 17, 2012 4:22 AM PST

the game isn't called Suburban Sniper, for a reason.

Someone's favorite Urban Dictionary, describing school shootings.

Urban Beach Week in Miami. Hmmm, that's not suburbia, is it?

Of course we all remember that peaceful and joyful city called Detroit, especially during "Devil's Night" on Halloween. Often called "home of the drive by".

Cure Violence is a concentration on Urban shootings, which happen constantly.

Just north of me in Baltimore, over 200 homicides in the city so far for year 2012. That's 8 times the number killed in the Newtown, Connecticut shooting. Some of these were also children. Oh most of them weren't done by those white blue eyed devils either.

More crimes in the City of Baltimore.

Chart of violent crime comparison between cities and suburbs.

Crime rate in the suburbs like the city has dropped, but at a slower pace, partly due however because of govt programs exporting the criminal element out into the suburbs for purposes of section 8 housing to increase "integration" factors also.

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Connecticut's City (Urban) Crime Shooting Problems
by James Denison / December 17, 2012 4:25 AM PST
In reply to: Suburban Sniper Game?

June 2012

But the violent weekend in Hartford June 9 and 10, in which two people were shot to death and 10 others wounded, more than caught the attention of Gov. Dannel Malloy. Noting that 94 of the 129 murders committed in Connecticut last year happened just in Hartford, New Haven and Bridgeport, the governor has directed state police, prison and parole officials to work with police in those cities in a program of "focused deterrence."

It aims to put intense surveillance on the small group of criminals believed responsible for most gun crimes -- people with substantial records and in many cases free on parole or probation.

The governor is vague about the program's details, partly for security reasons. And the program doesn't seem quite consistent with his administration's efforts to reduce Connecticut's prison population and get more offenders out on parole. But if police and probation authorities really can identify the parolees posing the highest risk, the program might accomplish something.
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There's a big difference between people who
by Steven Haninger / December 17, 2012 5:10 AM PST

flip their lids engaging in a suicidal rampage and people who are career criminals who use guns to ply their trade while hoping to survive. Rather than look at race, look at background. Should the backgrounds be similar, I'd suspect race wouldn't matter.

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The point James since you seem so obtuse, is that
by Ziks511 / December 17, 2012 11:47 AM PST

mass shootings are particular to Young White Males. Few have been perpetrated by other races. But white males as noted blend into the background of the group and have not been studied or profiled the way other categories have. Just ask a black guy who has been stopped by the Police. No cause, just suspicion. Remember that Harvard professor who was stopped while walking in his own neighbourhood in which he had been a prominent member for decades simply because the policeman thought he looked out of place.


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You are completely wrong, mass killings
by James Denison / December 17, 2012 12:51 PM PST

have been done by people of every race. It's not a racial matter, but one that's common at various times and
places to all humanity.

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RE: It's not a racial matter,
by JP Bill / December 17, 2012 12:59 PM PST


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Wrong, James
by Josh K / December 17, 2012 10:28 PM PST

The VA Tech killings were at the hands of an Asian-American, and the Fort Hood shooter was non-white. Nearly all other mass killings have been carried out by white males. Most serial killers have been white males also.

That isn't a racial statement; it's just how it is. I don't know why.

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When you compare to
by James Denison / December 18, 2012 3:12 AM PST
In reply to: Wrong, James

our society's racial percentages, there's really no racial correlation of one race being more prone to such than another.

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You may be right on that
by Josh K / December 18, 2012 3:24 AM PST
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missed this one too
by James Denison / December 19, 2012 7:45 AM PST
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Jewish town?
by James Denison / December 18, 2012 3:30 AM PST
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Possibly. It could be a descendant of a Sicilian jew
by Pepe7 / December 18, 2012 3:40 AM PST
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That is a possibility, at least based on what I know of some of the jewish last names from the south of Italy. OTOH, you know how surnames do not always tell the whole story. <shrug>

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Also the Asbberger's identification
by James Denison / December 18, 2012 4:15 AM PST

Supposedly from Ashkenazi Jewish background, even stronger sometimes when there's a cross race marriage according to this site. Dylan Klebold in the Columbine school shooting was Jewish and had social problems.Here's a Jewish person with Aspberger's who of course is upset about that being put forth as part of Adam's possible reason for his actions. Lanza may be considered Italian name, but it is also a well known name among crypto-Jews who lived in Italy. It's long been realized that Asperger's is predominately a Jewish disorder, so many links to Jewish help for the problem.

All of which makes Josh attempt to create a Young White Caucasoid Syndrome as being responsible for mass shootings even more bankrupt, considering two of the worst school shootings were probably by those of Jewish racial background.

Once he begins to realize that, maybe he'll dismount from that racist pony he's been riding on.

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I get such a chuckle......
by Josh K / December 18, 2012 4:29 AM PST

......when you spout racist (and in this case, anti-Semitic) crap like this and then try to turn the tables and claim someone else is the bigot. Your claim that Asperger's is a "Jewish" syndrome is baseless and the claims seem to all appear on conspiracy nut site. Maybe you have those bookmarked while you're doing your "birther" reading.


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I don't blame you for such ignorance
by James Denison / December 18, 2012 6:41 AM PST

You probably never heard of Tay-Sachs either.

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Sure I have
by Josh K / December 18, 2012 7:39 AM PST

Sickle cell anemia too. There are conditions that primarily affect certain groups. Asperger's isn't one of them though.

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"All of which makes Josh attempt"
by James Denison / December 19, 2012 4:17 PM PST

I meant to say Ziks attempt.

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Wow. Just, wow.
by Pepe7 / February 11, 2013 10:39 PM PST

I somehow missed this gem of a post. LOL

At what point in your life did you start believing in such tripe, James(?) What sort of secondary education or research leads you to this conclusion? Asperger's is NOT predominantly a Jewish disorder. Sheesh.

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You've only scratched the surface....
by Josh K / February 11, 2013 11:40 PM PST
In reply to: Wow. Just, wow.

......of the racist and bigoted tripe James eagerly believes.

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Oh, don't listen to Josh
by James Denison / February 12, 2013 12:31 AM PST

He's always had a thing for one of the Phelp's girls

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There's no statute of limitations
by Steven Haninger / February 11, 2013 11:55 PM PST
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on drive-by insults and obviously no requirement to add anything constructive or thoughtful, is there? Glad you're pleased with your find...

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If you are so 'enlightened' <ahem>...
by Pepe7 / February 12, 2013 1:27 AM PST

...then why wouldn't you step up and correct such crap that he's posting? What, you don't have any friends who are Jewish?

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Either you haven't read the entire thread
by James Denison / February 12, 2013 1:37 AM PST

or very discriminating in whom you choose to personally attack. You also missed the point that in replying to the bigotry already expressed concerning "white male privilege" mine was to point out the equality of such shootings as not related to any one single race of people. Put that in your pipe and smoke it for awhile.

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(NT) Your's was an authoritative correction? (meant rhetorically)
by Steven Haninger / February 12, 2013 1:38 AM PST
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The first funerals will be Jewish and Muslim
by Josh K / December 18, 2012 4:10 AM PST
In reply to: Jewish town?

Both religions have rules calling for burial within 24 hours (not sure if there is a Sabbath exception). Reform Jews tend to push it out to 48 hours to allow time to put a funeral together. Neither religion has wakes.

Christian denominations don't have those rules, so those funerals will come later in the week.

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interesting history on burials
by James Denison / December 19, 2012 4:21 PM PST

Ever hear of a "bell ringer"? To avoid burying someone who was actually still alive, a bell would be attached with a string going down into the coffin, so anyone who came to because they were still alive could ring the bell to alert people who would then dig him back up. Wakes sort of came about for the same reason, to be sure the person was dead. Lazarus in the NT was obviously dead since his sister claimed the smell of decay had already begun. Things weren't always so quick to decay during winter death in Europe however, so other means were used, the bell ringer, the wake to allow more time to insure actual death instead of deep coma.

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(NT) as in "saved by the bell"
by Roger NC / December 21, 2012 12:21 PM PST
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