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Know anything about Windows Live OneCare Backup and Restore?

by comp459 / March 18, 2008 4:54 AM PDT

Have any of you tried this service??? I am trying to work on my mom's is slow...slow...slow....but as I not very knowledgeable...I need to make sure and backup here stuff in case!!! She is visiting so does not have her original Windows CD or I could just install their neat ntbackup program. Don't want to have to purchase something. Thank you in advance.

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reply to: Know anything....?
by caktus / March 18, 2008 12:01 PM PDT

Not as much as I would like Wink

I'm not personally knowledgable of Windows Live OneCare Backup and Restore, but if you are worried you might damage the contents of someone else's machine perhaps it may be best left alone.

You don't mention what operating system is on the computer or what types of files you wish to backup. Perhaps you didn't notice the "Note" in red above the text box in witch you typed your message, i.e.
Note: If you're asking for technical help, please be sure to include all your system info, including operating system, model number, and any other specifics related to the problem. Also please exercise your best judgment when posting in the forums--revealing personal information such as your e-mail address, telephone number, and address is not recommended.

Personally I have found NTBACKUP to be somewhat unreliable as it will occasionally restore some files to incorrect locations and sometimes not at all.

Probably the best backup is maintained on removable media such as CD, DVD, external hard drive or flash drive. If you are only concerned with protecting some documents and programs or programs setup files, the fasted and least costly would be to copy them to a CD/R or CD/RW. And the leastly costly (really free) way to backup the entire system including settings is to create System Restore points. For just in case, a couple of SR points would be wise.

Another (or additional) option would be to create and use an indiviual Profile that way you won't even have to tamper with documents, etc. in your Mom's profile.

Hope something here is helpful.


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OneCare isn't free
by ramarc / March 18, 2008 12:16 PM PDT

i paid $25 for 3 PCs when it was on sale (usually $50). it's backup feature is more for file saving rather than system recovery (like a failed boot drive).

i know you don't want to spend anything, but syncback is a great product for $30 and you can legally use it on up to 5 PCs.

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MS backup
by Leop / March 21, 2008 12:47 PM PDT

Your best bet is to buy a good backup software, or just backup your data from your documents. Then restore you system to where is was. Ususally all your data stays where you had it, if you just restore. Now if you want to backup your hold Drive thats a different horse of a different color. MS backup is not very good at doing this, believe me been there done that.

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Windows Live OneCare
by SevynNina / March 21, 2008 2:20 PM PDT

I am using Windows Live OneCare.. from my experience it only backs up some files and pictures. It doesn't back up your XP or programs etc. I suggest you buy an external hard drive to back up her computer. I am checking into them myself. I have had to format my computer and although the process was pretty easy I lost everything ...luckily I had most of my program download codes, passwords, and registrations saved in a book. But any pictures I didn't have saved on a disk were lost.

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As has been stated in other posts ..WLOCare does not back up the entire system..but only Documents, pics, and favorites.

I am unable to discern if you have One Care and which version?
The latest version is 2.0.2500.

Here you may get some questions answered about the usage of WLOC.

Should you need a full backup of the would require the purchase of a sizeable external hard drive & a program such as Acronis
True Image.

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by tedtks / March 21, 2008 6:09 PM PDT

I have steered clear of 'live ' stuff so far. I dont like
what they have done with some of it. it usually requires
More clicks to do the same things that used to be doing.
anyway - I have use the std ms backup for a long time due to
not finding anything that was worth a pile in my estimation.
prefferably free ?!?! LOL
I keep only the xp of system on drive c:... and everything else
goes to other partitions or drives.
I make a full c: backup about once a week - but - you have
to run it as ' custom ' - its one of the selections on the backup
restore wizard pages. I check the box for the c: drive and then
down to ' system state '
this brings me right back to where I was before whatever
disaster blew me off.
One more BUT - I can not get shadow copy to run. it wont start
when backup calls it. MS fails to answer my email complaints
and there is nothing in the long list of faq's
what this does is makes backup skip over some of the files that
are being used by the system. they are mostly .log files and
a couple others that are not really important - but - there seems
to be one or two [not always the same ones] that I dont have a clue
what they are. So far it hasnt been a problem - mostly due to the
fact that I have reloaded xp and then run the restore with overwrite
so that everything is back up to normal. no more downloading a
zillion updates - and all the icons are there ready to go.

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by markcynt / March 21, 2008 11:27 PM PDT
In reply to: ntbackup

I tried it and didn't like it. Then I tried to uninstall and no matter what I tried it wouldn't uninstall. Luckily I had a very recent Image of my system so I just restored it. Microsoft even has a special tool just to uninstall the program, which ran and said unistall complete but it was still there! So they let me download it knowing this?! Boy I'll tell you I was rip snortin mad.

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For stub bin uninstalls
by morrie 52 / March 22, 2008 2:27 AM PDT
In reply to: HATED IT
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No Go
by markcynt / March 22, 2008 2:52 AM PDT

That didn't work either. I had already tried that. I ended up restoring from a partition image. Lesson learned.

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well - its free and
by tedtks / March 22, 2008 6:54 AM PDT
In reply to: HATED IT

it comes with xp pro so anytime u reload - there it tis.
I havent found a backup that I like. I have tried a few
from cnet download but a lot of them dont due full partition
backs. nor system state. some even are limited to just
new files and/or mp3 stuff. and, one 'syncback' or whatever
its called, cant remember, only copies files that have been
updated to syncronize 2 drives. used, I assume, mostly for
multi pc file maint on a network.

never had these problems in the ' old ' days. a backup program
would copy EVERYTHING even if it was being used by the system or
something. hell, where u think copying program diskets came from. LOL
But, as with all the really good programs - they got bought up by
outfits like norton - who, instead of upgradeing them for use with
larger and new cd drives, they dumped them so u have to buy their
piece of poor functioning crap.
hmmmnm.... seems like i have been down this road b4 LOL

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by markcynt / March 22, 2008 7:45 AM PDT
In reply to: well - its free and

And Live One Care did not come with it. You must have an HP or Dell or something like that. XP Pro has a backup but not that and it doesn't make an image.

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by tedtks / March 22, 2008 8:16 AM PDT
In reply to: I Have XP PRO

I build my own. xp pro w/sp2 and all security junk backups.
full tower, thermaltake 750w ps + 500w ps, asus p5w dh mobo, 2g ram, dual intel w/thermaltake cooler, asus eax1900xtx vid w/512m,
2 seagate 120g HD, 2 sony cd/dvd drives, digiwave HDTV cable card.
4 120mm +1 80mm fans, and all possible ways air gets in is filtered.

Go to -start/all programs/accessories/systemtools/backup
right click on backup and look at properties
looks like ntbackup to me.
it does a full c: backup with system state (following my prev
post desc for 'custom')
my last hair pulling dissaster - had to do a reload cause nothing
else worked. as soon as the fresh reload was done, ran the restore
from my last backup - ta da exactly back to 5 days befor hell.
only had to do 3 sec updates and ready to go.
I am now adding an external seagate 250g that I have partitioned and
will restore my next backup to the ext "c:" partition so I wont have
to do another install next time. that is 'if' the bios will see the
usb connection. Ill find out soon as my new ext case gets here. the
last one didnt work at all - bad power supply. LOL LOL but it was cheap LOL

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by markcynt / March 22, 2008 8:30 AM PDT
In reply to: nope

Maybe it does work like you say, but in all the years I've had XP I've never had to restore except for system restore. And it's certainly not Live One Care.

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dead LIVE
by tedtks / March 22, 2008 8:45 AM PDT
In reply to: OK

in case u missed it in prev post - I dont do live anymore than
I have to - or is forced on me. they updated windows hotmail to
a 'clasic' version with no choice for the user and want u to go
up to their full live. well, as is usual with this kind of new
junk where they change things just cause they are bored and have
nothing else to do - it takes more clicks to do some of the stuff
that used to be just one click - and they want me to upgrade? to
the full LIVE -
ha - not till there is no choice.
just like vista. too many stupid changes and bugs. I will wait
till xp isnt supported anymore and nothing will work on it.
I still use my turbo 286 for some old games. dos 3.5
ummmm... in case u dont know what a 286 is - well... its OLD cpu.
and dos is b4 they decided that we no longer needed to go into dos
and stopped giveing us the tools that ran in dos.
for the masses they are probably right. but us old guys know
what was what and in some cases still today its nice to have some
of those old tools.

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XP Backup Is Horrible
by markcynt / March 22, 2008 11:49 PM PDT
In reply to: OK

For haha's yesterday I went into the NT Backup program and I did not get very far trying to use it. I mean what's with the floppy? Nt is definitely not very intuitive or user friendly. If you want a simple back with not very many options I guess it's OK. I'll stick with Acronis and do my backups exactly the way I want. NT may be free but you get what you pay for. It's too bad there is not a good free software that would backup the way I want. I very rarely pay for software. There are so many good, free aps but not for this.


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by tedtks / March 23, 2008 6:29 AM PDT
In reply to: XP Backup Is Horrible

ignore it. just click continue. dont know why its still there
cause it just skips past it. like an update that forgot this
area of code. LOL
if u had gone further you would have seen that there is a lot
of choices on what to backup. it takes some clicking to expand
the drives and then files etc.
I am going to take a look at ur acronis. see what it has to say
how fast is it? nt is pretty fast - especially compared to some
of the others I have tested.

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one more acronis questn
by tedtks / March 23, 2008 6:54 AM PDT
In reply to: XP Backup Is Horrible

how big are the backup files compared to what u r backing up?

my c: is 9.3g of data, and the back file is 3.3g
backing up c: and system state.

my c: partition is 20g. just big enuf for the op system and
the page file - which I keep at 2.5g and all internet histories
at 1meg - deleted on shutdown along with cookies, and I keep my
prefetch file at approx 20 items or so. never more that a full
screen page.

I run a tight ship matey LOL aarrgghh... squak..

$50 seems a bit high - but if it performs well - maybe I will venture
the test download. anything to get passed the problem of
shadow copy not working.
acronis also has a drive manager that sounds like it could replace
my pqmagic. do u have this also ?
I want to get rid of pq because I dislike anything Norton.
I had pq b4 norty bought out symantec and dropped most of
their packages. id have him walk the plank in shark bay. LOL

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12.2 GB Used Space Took 2 DVd's
by markcynt / March 23, 2008 11:39 AM PDT

That 12.2 Gb is out of a 195 Gb partition. It is pretty fast, I think, but compared to what I don't know. It took me about 30 min to backup that partition. As far as I know you can use any Acronis Home version of software free for 15 days with complete functionality. After the 15 days the software will not work unless you purchase. I did really like the partition mgr also. One good thing about this software is that you can save the download, back it up onto a CD and it goes wherever you go. If you get into partitioning the 2 programs work nicely. They both have a lot of features you won't find in Windows. I think Windows is set up that way on purpose. More options could mean more confusion, potential mistakes. I seem to do better when I have more options. I did see the advanced menu but didn't like it. Anyway try it, you got nothing to lose. Just backup before experimenting, especially when partitioning.

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care for sure
by tedtks / March 23, 2008 5:57 PM PDT

I have been around an hd a bit - like since the largest was
40 megs. LOL
I used to get back deleted files b4 there were programs written
to do it. went into the fat and made changes to the file flag.
if a part of a file got lost - they did once in a while back then,
I could go to the fat, get the first track location, and keep
bouncing thru each track header till I located the problem and
just fixed it. very time consumeing.
we dont have the tools to do that these days and the old programs
that assisted wont run on todays pc. pc tools locks up on drives
over 999 megs - its size fields cant handle the extra digit to the
meg world. that was one program norton squelched when he bought
out symanted.
thanks for ur input

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by tedtks / March 23, 2008 5:46 PM PDT

I checked ur click and it is typecal of what most backups do.
I only use a backup to grab the operating system partition in
its entirety to save my but when things go bad.
all programs have the capability of saveing files where u
want them - and retieving them from there - thus HD #2 in case
#1 goes south. even my programs are in a different partition
than the system - so restore is never a problem with being fully
functional at its completion. no program re-installs.
every now and then drive 2 gets sent to the external drive
so I am [almost] totally backed up.
the current MS backup does all that this url u left on live backup
says it does - hopefully it doesnt have the shadow copy prob. LOL
think I be trying the Acronis - both the back and partition.

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Windows One Care

In my limited experience i find it best to back up to a CD or DVD.I dont see the point of always backing up to your PC. At the end of the day if you have a system crash what good is a back up on a PC that you cant get into. No my friend back up to CD its safest.

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