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I don't care

by MarkFlax Forum moderator / October 1, 2013 7:04 PM PDT

if US political manoeuvring causes the US government to shut down.

Nothing to do with me.

But when, as a direct consequence, they shut down NASA as well, that's when I get riled.

I'm so riled I could...

I don't know. I will have a cup of tea and think about it.


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Did you get riled when BO
by TONI H / October 1, 2013 8:01 PM PDT
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actually DID shut down/off NASA as we knew it when he first came into office and made the astronauts 'meeters and greeters' instead?

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Re: riled
by Kees_B Forum moderator / October 1, 2013 8:30 PM PDT
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LOL, you are looking for truth
by James Denison / October 1, 2013 10:47 PM PDT
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from a communist website?! Even Pravda is more respectable nowadays than KOS. Why don't they just call it KAOS or Chaos? Where are you Agent 99? Max?

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So you believe ...
by Kees_B Forum moderator / October 2, 2013 7:24 AM PDT

that the average Tea Party member is so science-minded that they will increase the budget of the NASA while striving for less federal government and less taxes? I don't.


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I doubt either side is science minded
by James Denison / October 2, 2013 8:55 AM PDT
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at least as concerns NASA, which is why I keep wondering why that red herring was tossed out there.

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It's no more Communist than any of the numerous non-TeaParty
by Ziks511 / October 3, 2013 4:47 PM PDT

sites and publications. or even the National Review. Just because you don't like its conclusions, doesn't mean it's Communist.

And what does Communism mean any more. It certainly doesn't mean Russia, and it doesn't mean China. It doesn't even mean Albania any more, and it was the nearest to a Stalinist regime until the mid 90's


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Progressive, new word for Communist
by James Denison / October 4, 2013 4:39 AM PDT

"The Communist Party has an unparalleled history in the progressive movement of the United States, "

Markos Moulitsas Zuniga is founder and publisher of Daily Kos, the largest progressive community blog in the United States. Named "the single most successful entrepreneur of the progressive movement" by NY Times magazine writer and author Matt Bai, Moulitsas is also co-author of the critically acclaimed book Crashing the Gate: Netroots, Grassroots, and the Rise of People-Powered Politics, author of Taking on the System: Rules for Radical Change in a Digital Era,




Yes, it's communism wearing a different shirt, avoiding references to the old skeletons in the closet, hoping by changing the look to fool a new and ignorant generation.
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Sorry Toni, but that's a false equivalency. The economic
by Ziks511 / October 3, 2013 4:40 PM PDT

situation in 2009 was vastly different from what it is now. And at least President Obama had a majority of the voters behind him at the time. In fact, he still does if the election of November 2012 is anything to go by. The current "Shut it all down" crowd, don't even have the majority of Republican support. John Boehner appears to be maintaining solidarity simply to prevent the cracks from showing, otherwise the US would quickly devolve into a 3 Party state of Democrats, Republicans, and Tea Party Conservatives. The figure that I have seen regarding hard liners on this issue is 44 Representatives in Congress, and a few Senators like Ted Cruz. And Ted Cruz's agenda isn't representative of his state, it appears to be his run for the Presidency, in 3, 7 or 11 years (given his youth).

At least that's what I read reported in the newspapers, and I read them every day.


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I don't either and, it appears, our stock markets
by Steven Haninger / October 1, 2013 9:03 PM PDT
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didn't care yesterday as well. Perhaps this needs to be done. I believe there are some legitimate concerns about what this president has promised versus what he's delivering. It's not that just a few people have trepidations but, at least by media accounts, a majority of us do. Our president should take note of this, IMO. I know...and he's indicated...that he'd be a bit more relaxed (flexible) once being reelected, but that's no reason to feel he's no longer obligated to keep his promises of budget balancing and smarter spending practices. What we seem be getting with the misnomered "ACA" is similar to a child's first experience with being handed a plate full of slimy asparagus. The mother's only argument can be "How do you know you won't like it before you've even tried it?" Is that how the citizens should be treated by their leadership?

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I won't disgree with most of your points
by Roger NC / October 2, 2013 7:31 AM PDT

but I still don't think holding the budget hostage is any better than the kid on the losing side taking his ball home so no one can play.

If so many of us oppose Obamacare, and Obama, and all the Democratic agenda, why can't we elect more Republicans?

That said, did you see any clips from Jimmy Kimbel's (sp?) man on the street interviews? People agreed Obamacare was socialism and that the affordable health act was a better choice.

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I'll hazard a guess.......
by Josh K / October 2, 2013 11:52 PM PDT

......that the cancer patients not getting their medications and the hungry not getting their food stamps probably care. Not to mention all the home purchases that will fall apart because the buyers' mortgage applications are hung up.

Speaking of slimy asparagus, does Ted Cruz even understand what the point of "Green Eggs and Ham" is?

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Your examples not of people affected in the way mentioned
by Steven Haninger / October 3, 2013 12:21 AM PDT
Government shutdown Q&A

If you were planning a trip to Yellowstone, you might want to delay it. For most people, I'd say the affects are more psychological than physical. It's a game our politicians are playing right now and the rest of us are pawns. IMO, there should be cheering for any of the players...only BOOs. As for our president, I don't think any sane person could say the man has done much of what he's promised in the way of fiscal responsibility. It does amaze me that he still has his blind followers. He needs, IMO again, to be replaced along with the majority of people in both houses of congress regardless of R or D affiliation.
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I'll agree with part of your post
by Josh K / October 3, 2013 12:28 AM PDT

We need to clean House....and Senate. Along with that we need to remove the influence of high-powered lobbying groups, on both sides, who routinely engage in what amounts to legalized bribery and extortion. 90% of Americans favor changes to our gun laws, for example, and we all know why that isn't happening.

The people who have been sent home without pay would also disagree that it's "mostly psychological."

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(NT) and those required to work without pay
by Roger NC / October 3, 2013 7:34 AM PDT
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One thing is certain.
by Kees_B Forum moderator / October 3, 2013 8:20 AM PDT

He will be replaced in January 2017, when his second term ends. That's only to be seen for the majority of the members of both houses of Congress.


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I don't know if I should care
by itsdigger / October 1, 2013 9:28 PM PDT
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It seems like I should. I've worked and paid my taxes all of my life just like my father and grandfathers and before. I have also cast my vote all of my life for POTUS and all local elections and wonder if it all even made a difference. I'm retired now collecting my pension (not social security or medicare yet) because I was forced to after the crash ( glad I worked hard and had a plan) and have signed up for my V.A benefits , it's taken 3 years to get those benefits to a barely usable state but now it's done. Should I be worried about the government collapse ? I don't think so, I've worried about this government all of my life. Let the younger generation take over as we did and let them make it right for they're retirement....Digger

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Option: chain the doors closed
by Willy / October 1, 2013 10:36 PM PDT
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Stuff happens and sometimes you can blame politics.

Here, in my neck of the woods, AF group base is closed but active. Next, the US forest service and parks are closed. maybe the Chinese carp will get passed the fence if no one is watching. Next, it maybe something I really care about. Don't worry it'll all come back just in time to have something else to b*tch about. -----Willy Happy

FYI- It seems the weather pattern has changed over Washington, DC as reduced "hot air" mass been noted. Though offset by heated exchanges in closed rooms. Wink

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one of my late wifes cousin
by Roger NC / October 2, 2013 7:33 AM PDT

Austin Texas, both work at Air Force base, she's furloughed (off work), his work is considered essential so he had to go to work but without pay, and there is no guareentee that if and when the asholes in Congress grow up that he'll get backpay.

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