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HP Recovery Partition Low Disk Space - Definitive Answer

by Wattski / November 24, 2007 3:08 AM PST

I own an HP Compaq purchased in Nov 2006. 120Gig, 512RAM.
May I suggest you end a futile search for the perfect solution to this problem. There is no workaround in Windows XP O/S to stop the recovery partition from filling up unless you turn off Automatic Updates. Even then updates to any of the other factory installed programs could be downloaded to it.

Email from HP Support:
"The system will automatically update the recovery partition information.... This is a built-in feature of Windows XP."
HP's suggestion: "disable 'low disk space' error message".

Offered to download this patch:
ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp32501-33000/sp32661.exe

Here's what I ran into:
Rather than depending on my own set of Recovery CDs, I purchased a set from HP intending to manipulate the size (increase) and format type (NTFS) of the partition during installation. However, there is no prompt during that process to do so. Back to square one. If Automatic Updates is enabled, over time any updates to factory software programs are going to bloat the recovery partition again.

With no obvious Windows fix for this, the only thing that has been suggested in other forums is add another hard drive and install the recovery CDs on it. Then delete the recovery partition on the internal drive making sure you have the back-up CDs in a safe or bank vault.

I have learned a valuable lesson buying a product set-up this way and will be more careful in the future.

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What if...
by VAPCMD / November 24, 2007 3:18 AM PST

you used something like Partition Magic or Disk Director to expand (resize) the partition or unhide it allowing you to delete the updates ?

Sounds like the inevitable user headache and a possible money maker for (HP) Tech Support.

VAPCMD

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Add to My Research - HP Recovery Partition
by Wattski / November 24, 2007 4:17 AM PST
In reply to: What if...

I have bookmarked a page from Symantec's site about revealing and manipulating contents of hidden partitions using purchased software, among them Partition Magic. I have followed-up so many pie-in-the-sky solutions that it has been frustrating to say the least. Upon further investigation, I will post the results here.

Yes. Planned obsolesence is the norm.

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Wattski
by YankeesNYwins / November 24, 2007 6:13 AM PST

What you need to do is very easy.

Make sure you have recovery disks and do away with the recovery partition.
It is the first thing I do when I set up a computer.

Save drive images of the operating system and recovery partition on an external hard drive and erase the hard drive and reinstall Windows XP.

Use your Windows XP CD's to reinstall the operating system.. Get any drivers you need by putting your recovery CD's in the drive and click on update and windows finds them.

If you have recovery CD's you don't need a recovery partition.

Make sure you save all the files and folders you need before you do anything.

Important...If you ever want to restore a saved drive image of and operating system ...You must know what partition your operating system is on because your saved drive image of your operating system can only be restored {easily} if it is the same numbered partition on the new hard drive that you have erased.

For example if the computer you have right now is:
Partition one..recovery partition.
Partition two..operating system.

This means your saved drive image is specific to partition two only.

I don't know if I should give you this advice but I'll monitor this thread and guide you if you want to do it. It is really easy.

You would need partition magic, powerquest drive image 7.0 {ghost9.0} and an external hard drive.

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HP Compaq SR2010NX does not come with O/S CD's
by Wattski / November 24, 2007 11:21 AM PST
In reply to: Wattski

Thanks for your offer of help. In this particular case, the recovery partition was installed at the factory but CD's were not included. You have to burn your own recovery CD set and only have one chance to do it. If you wish to purchase the full recovery CD set from the factory afterwards you can do so but you cannot isolate the Windows O/S portion as a separate entity in that set. The CD's come labeled as #1, #2, and so on. Of course Windows XP is hidden and not listed on the recovery console unlike Works, PC Doctor, etc. Your suggestion is workable it seems as long as another license of Windows O/S software is purchased.
I am referring to the SR2010NX Presario 2006 Model.

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Make your own Windows XP CD. It's easy.
by YankeesNYwins / November 24, 2007 12:01 PM PST

Make your own Windows XP CD.
by YankeesNYwins - 9/16/07 5:15 PM
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Make your own Windows XP CD from your operating system that is installed on your own computer. The windows product key is on the tower and it will work and will instantly be recognized as the legal operating system for your computer when you use the Windows XP CD you make to install the operating system.


Step number 1.

First you have to click on my computer and then click on Drive C and then click on Windows and see if the i386 folder is present. If the i386 folder is there you can make your own XP CD, if it is not present you can?t make the CD?. HOWEVER if you do have a recovery disk I can show you how to get the i386 folder from the recovery disk. I am sure it is on the recovery disk.

Here is a picture of the Windows folder showing the i386 folder. Notice is is after the help folder on mine.


http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=locationi386xh2.jpg

Step number 2.

Click on drive C and then click on file and click on new and create a new folder in drive C.

Right click on the new folder and select rename and name it exactly like this:XPSETUP

Here is a picture of how drive C will look when you finish step 2.

http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drivecby6.jpg


Step number 3.

Click on drive C again and click on Windows and click on the i386 folder and copy it into the XPSETUP folder you just created. This may take 4 or 5 minutes to do.

Here is a picture of the XPSETUP folder showing the size of the i386 folder when I hold the mouse over the folder. 453 MB of data.

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=i386foldersizebr6.jpg


Step number 4.
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Create a new folder and put it on your desktop. Label the folder CD burner and boot files.
Go to these two web sites and download these two programs into the folder labeled CD burner and boot files.

Boot files.

http://www.nu2.nu/download.php?sFile=wxp10.zip


A very small CD burner that we use.

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/ImgBurn/1128426215/1


Here is a picture of what it looks like when you are finished.

http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cdburnerfj2.jpg

Step number 5.
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Step number 5.

Open the CD burner and boot files folder and right click on the wxp10 zip file and select extract here and a cds folder appears as shown in this picture.


http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cdszc5.jpg


Now click on the cds folder and it opens TWO new folders labeled wxphome and wxppro.

Click on the wxphome and open it and three files appear?. ONLY click on the folder labeled files and three files are in the folder labeled w2ksect, win51, and win51ic.

Now open drive C and copy or drag the file labeled w2ksect into drive C so it looks like this picture:

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w2ksectfilecu6.jpg


It doesn?t matter what the icon looks like as long as it is the w2ksect file.
Step number 6.
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If you are not sure what your computer is right click on My Computer and click on properties and this box will appear. Here is a picture of it: Notice what it says it is: Notice mine says:
Microsoft Windows XP
Home Edition
Version 2002
Service Pack 2


http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=systempropertiestt6.jpg


Step number 6.
For Windows XP Home Service Pack 2

Click on start and click on programs and click on accessories and right click on notepad and pin it to the start menu.

Open note pad and type the word Windows and then ONE time hit the space bar like you were going to type another word. and then hit enter to bring it down one line only. Type Windows with a capital W like I have it.

Now click on file and save as and type ?win51? and save it into the XPSETUP folder in drive C. Be sure to put the quotes exactly as I have them.

Do it again and this time save as ?win51ic? into XPSETUP folder.

Do it again and this time save as ?win51ic.SP1? into XPSETUP folder.

Do it again and this time save as ?win51ic.SP2? into XPSETUP folder.

When you are finished this is what the XPSETUP folder looks like.

http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xpwin51pi3.jpg


Step number 6.

For Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2
Click on start and click on programs and click on accessories and right click on notepad and pin it to the start menu.

Open note pad and type the word Windows and then ONE time hit the space bar like you were going to type another word. and then hit enter to bring it down one line only. Type Windows with a capital W like I have it.

Now click on file and save as and type ?win51? and save it into the XPSETUP folder in drive C. Be sure to put the quotes exactly as I have them.

Do it again and this time save as ?win51iP? into XPSETUP folder.

Do it again and this time save as ?win51iP.SP1? into XPSETUP folder.

Do it again and this time save as ?win51iP.SP2? into XPSETUP folder.

When you are finished this is what the XPSETUP folder looks like.

When you are finished this is what the XPSETUP folder looks like.

http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xpprotd0.jpg


Step number 7.
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Step number 7.

Open notepad and Copy and Paste what I have below starting with IBB and including the words [END_BACKUP_OPTIONS]

On the left hand side click on desktop and save it to the desktop just like this:
Click on file and save as ?XPSETUP.ibb? {including the quotes}exactly as this onto the desktop.


IBB

[START_BACKUP_OPTIONS]
BuildMode=1
Destination=0
TestMode=0
Verify=1
WriteSpeed=0
Copies=0
FileSystem=0
PreserveFullPathnames=0
RecurseSubdirectories=1
IncludeHiddenFiles=0
IncludeSystemFiles=0
IncludeArchiveFilesOnly=0
AddToWriteQueueWhenDone=0
ClearArchiveAttribute=0
VolumeLabel_ISO9660=VRMHOEM_EN
VolumeLabel_Joliet=
VolumeLabel_UDF=
Identifier_System=
Identifier_VolumeSet=
Identifier_Publisher=
Identifier_Preparer=
Identifier_Application=
Dates_FolderFileType=0
Restrictions_ISO9660_InterchangeLevel=0
Restrictions_ISO9660_AllowMoreThan8DirectoryLevels =1
Restrictions_ISO9660_AllowMoreThan255CharactersInP ath=1
Restrictions_ISO9660_AllowFullASCIICharacterSet=1
Restrictions_ISO9660_DontAddVersionNumberToFiles=1
Restrictions_Joliet_InterchangeLevel=1
Restrictions_Joliet_AddVersionNumberToFiles=0
BootableDisc_MakeImageBootable=1
BootableDisc_MediaEmulationType=0
BootableDisc_BootImageFile=C:\w2ksect.bin
BootableDisc_DeveloperIdentifier=
BootableDisc_LoadSegment=07C0
BootableDisc_LoadSectorCount=4
[END_BACKUP_OPTIONS]

[START_BACKUP_LIST]
C:\XPSETUP
[END_BACKUP_LIST]


Here is a picture of what it looks like on the desktop:

http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ibbfileuu1.jpg


Step number 8 is big so I made it 8A and 8B.

Step number 8 A

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Step number 8 A.

Open the CD burner and boot files folder and click on the and install Imgburn.

After it is installed click on it and run it and it opens like this:

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imgburnnp3.jpg


Click on the X on the ImgLog underneath and close it.

Now click on mode and select build and it looks like this:

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=modebuildrk5.jpg


Now click on file and select load project?it looks like this:

http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loadprojectmo5.jpg


This is the picture that open when you load the project, NOW CLICK ON the
XPSETUP file and it will load the project to burn the Windows XP CD.
Make sure you put a clean CD-R CD in the CD drive.

http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xpsetupibbfilecx6.jpg


If you do it right here is what it looks like. It will say project loaded successfully.


http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=projectloadedsuccessfuldj8.jpg


Now click on options and choose ISO9660+Joliet like I show in this picture.


http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iso9660jolieteq1.jpg


Step number 8 B
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Step number 8 B

Now click on Label. Since I am doing my HP Windows XP Home SP 1a and SP 2 OEM?.I will label the example in my picture: X1AHOEM_EN
You will label yours whatever you PC is.

Windows XP Home OEM WXHOEM_EN
Windows XP Home SP 1 OEM XRMHOEM_EN
Windows XP Home SP 1a and SP 2 OEM X1AHOEM_EN
Windows XP Professional OEM WXPOEM_EN
Windows XP Professional SP 1 OEM XRMPOEM_EN
Windows XP Professional SP 1a and SP 2 OEM X1APOEM_EN

Here is the picture and it is ready to write the Windows XP CD. Notice in the lower left hand corner of the picture it says ?ready? which means I have the correct blank CD in the CD drive.
Click on the folder and picture of CD I highlighted for you and it will write the CD now.

http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=readytowritecdud3.jpg


When your CD is finished writing the Windows XP files onto the CD leave the CD in the drive and boot the computer and if it boots to ?select any key to boot from CD? you did it right if Windows starts the installing process.

Now listen, don?t go deleting your operating system because you now have a Windows XP CD that came with your computer.

Make sure it works first and don?t do anything stupid.

The best way to see if it works is to boot to it and choose R for repair and see if it loads. If it loads perfectly and you enter repair mode it may be OK.

Test install on a partition you create just for it. Name the new partition Test XP and boot from the Windows XP CD you made and choose Test XP partition as the target for the installation.

The first time I did this I didn?t the use Joliet file system and some files didn?t load but it still installed correctly without them.

I saved all my pictures urls to my favorites so if any picture does not load correctly alert me and I?ll post it again.


Note, if don?t use the Joliet file system any - or similar symbols would not be recognized and therefore would not load when installing the operating system from the XP CD you made.

The three that won't load are cyclad-Z.inf and cyclom-y.inf and SV-262el.png and notice they all have a hyphen.

Although when I first did it without using the Joliet file system it still installed perfectly and I didn?t bother to look up how these three files {MISSING} would effect the operating system.


If you have a problem and want to post a picture for me to help you:

Here are the steps to post a picture on the internet .Takes three minutes.

1. Post the picture on your desktop.
2. Click on print screen key. It is the key to the right of F12.
3. Click on paint. Paint is found under Start, programs, accessories, paint. Right click on it and "pin to start menu".
4. Click on edit and click on "paste".
5. Click on file and "save as" and change to JPEG format so it is in KB's and not MB's.
6. Save it to the desktop.
7. Open image shack and click on browse. http://imageshack.us/
8. Click on desktop because that is where you saved the picture.
9. Click on the picture and it loads on image shack. Click "host it'.
10. When image shack loads it is small. Click on it and make it big.
11. Right click on it and get the URL or copy the url from the address bar if it is visible. Either one will work because they are the same.
12. Save it to bookmarks and post the url in your notes for reference.


Finally, I tested all URL links before posting and they all work perfectly.

I saved all my URL addresses to my favorites so if any picture does not load correctly alert me and I?ll post it again.

** Important?.the i386 folder must be under approximately 700 MB?s or it won?t fit on the CD-R. Look at my picture in step 3 of what is in my i386 folder and imitate it. Notice mine only has 453 MB?s.

If anyone gets stuck, I?ll post the contents of my i386 folder in a picture.

Remember if you don?t have an i386 folder you can?t make a Windows XP CD.

Good luck and don?t give up. It is easy to do.

Here is a list of all the url's in the order used:

http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=locationi386xh2.jpg

http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drivecby6.jpg

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=i386foldersizebr6.jpg

http://www.nu2.nu/download.php?sFile=wxp10.zip

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/ImgBurn/1128426215/1

http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cdburnerfj2.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cdszc5.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w2ksectfilecu6.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=systempropertiestt6.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xpwin51pi3.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xpprotd0.jpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ibbfileuu1.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imgburnnp3.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=modebuildrk5.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loadprojectmo5.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xpsetupibbfilecx6.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?

image=projectloadedsuccessfuldj8.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iso9660jolieteq1.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=readytowritecdud3.jpg


http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6142_102-0.html?forumID=5&threadID=264451&messageID=2586196&tag=mcnt

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HP Compaq (To Yankee)
by Wattski / November 25, 2007 1:16 AM PST

That is quite the process! Good thing I'm not a total beginner but it would certainly throw me into severe depresssion if I was. (A bit of humor). I will do this when I have more than a couple minutes to put together. Thanks for taking the time.

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HP says
by PudgyOne / November 24, 2007 6:34 PM PST

Restore your computer without disks

To repair or restore from the hard drive, restart the computer and press F11 when prompted.

To burn your own set of recovery disks, select Start > All Programs > System Recovery > PC Recovery Disk Creator

That's all there is to it.


Rick

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Hello
by YankeesNYwins / November 24, 2007 8:42 PM PST
In reply to: HP says

Read his posts...

He only wants Windows XP so he can install it without the recovery partition which he wants to do away with because of his.
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Here is what he said:

Rather than depending on my own set of Recovery CDs, I purchased a set from HP intending to manipulate the size (increase) and format type (NTFS) of the partition during installation. However, there is no prompt during that process to do so. Back to square one. If Automatic Updates is enabled, over time any updates to factory software programs are going to bloat the recovery partition again.

With no obvious Windows fix for this, the only thing that has been suggested in other forums is add another hard drive and install the recovery CDs on it. Then delete the recovery partition on the internal drive making sure you have the back-up CDs in a safe or bank vault.

I have learned a valuable lesson buying a product set-up this way and will be more careful in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now listen, if he makes the recovery CD's as you suggest he is right back where he started with two partitions....one the recovery partition and one the operating system....and as he said quote, "updates to factory software programs are going to bloat the recovery partition again."

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Wattski
by YankeesNYwins / November 24, 2007 8:58 PM PST
In reply to: Hello

Wattski

Wattski, I forgot to tell you if you don?t have a i386 folder in your windows folder to make your Windows XP CD here is where you can also find it if you did purchase Recovery CD?s from HP..

Put the recovery CD in the DVD Drive and right click on the drive and select EXPLORE or OPEN and browse the CD contents until you find the i386 folder.

Copy it to your hard drive and use it to make your own Windows XP CD.

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HP Compaq - i386 folder
by Wattski / November 25, 2007 1:26 AM PST
In reply to: Wattski

Yes,of course that folder exists. Thanks. I wish I had tried this forum a long time ago. Or maybe this was right time as I found the right contributors right now to discuss with. I have a clearer picture of what can be done now. Have you thought about developing a software program to fix this? I think you could do it.

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Using ImgBurn.
by YankeesNYwins / November 25, 2007 1:37 AM PST
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HP Compaq - Pictures help, Yankee
by Wattski / November 25, 2007 2:12 AM PST
In reply to: Using ImgBurn.

Geared up to give this a try! Can't today though. Still renovating the house on days off. Rather play with this.

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