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Graphics card update. Help needed

by ThomasEBUK / December 23, 2012 10:42 PM PST

Hi guys, I am looking to upgrade my graphics card this christmas and was looking at moving up to a http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-GeForce-560TI-DirectCUII-Graphics/dp/B004K8R8DA/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1356188929&sr=1-2 from a http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-440-channel/



My system specs are as follows;


Operating system:

Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) Service Pack 1 (build 7601)
Install Language: English (United States)
System Locale: English (United Kingdom)
Installed: 21/01/2012 12:18:05


System Model:

Hewlett-Packard HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT PC
System Serial Number: CZC14750XR
Asset Tag: CZC14750XR
Chassis Serial Number: CZC14750XR
Enclosure Type: Mini-Tower


Processor:

3.40 gigahertz Intel Core i7-2600
256 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
8192 kilobyte tertiary memory cache
64-bit ready
Multi-core (4 total)
Hyper-threaded (8 total)


Main Cirucit Board:

Board: Hewlett-Packard 1494
Serial Number: CZC14750XR
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: Hewlett-Packard J01 v02.


Controllers:

Intel(R) Desktop/Workstation/Server Express Chipset SATA AHCI Controller


Display:

NVIDIA GeForce GT 440 [Display adapter]
HP LA2405 [Monitor] (24.0"vis, s/n CN41370RZ0, September 2011)


Bus Adaptors:

Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller - 1C26
Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller - 1C2D


Multimedia:

NVIDIA High Definition Audio (4x)
Realtek High Definition Audio



(http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/13879_na/13879_na.pdf) < Link to the user manual, model is on the third page the Business PC.



I am currently using a GeForce Gt440 card which is quite old and struggles with performance on some games. I am interested in the Asus GeForce 560 TI but have no clue if it will even work in my machine, I looked towards the manual for my pc and it suggested cards worse than I currently have and I want better performance not worse! The manual says that I have 3x Full length PCI slots, 1x PCI Express slot and 2x Full Length PCI Express x16 graphics.


The 560 TI has according to amazon "PCI Express & PCI Express 2.0 support" and looking at the specifications of both on their respective websites the GT440 uses PCIE 2.0 x16 and the GT560 TI uses PCIE 2.0.


Given that the GT440 is already working in a PCI Express 2.0 slot is it safe to assume the 560 would be compatible?



GT440 specs; http://www.geforce.co.uk/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-440-channel/specifications

GT560 TI specs; http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/NVIDIA_Series/ENGTX560_Ti_DCII_TOP2DI1GD5/#specifications



Would this card work? and if not could you suggest a card similar in capability that would?


Thanks in advance.

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About PCIE.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / December 23, 2012 10:56 PM PST

I see many get hung up on that so I won't write a word about it. PCIE x16 is just that. You will find web pages that slightly differ and that's that. Game over for those that want such to match. After awhile you learn to expect this variance.

Why the 560? Why not one from THE LIST at this next link?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html

Compare the entry level card to the 560 and you might find a better card for the money.

After that I only need to check the mechanical fit and if the power supply is up to the task.
Bob

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Thank you.
by ThomasEBUK / December 24, 2012 1:32 AM PST
In reply to: About PCIE.

Thank you so much I am looking at the link you provided and its opened my eyes up abit.

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Yes...it should work IF it will fit in your case
by VAPCMD / December 23, 2012 11:09 PM PST

AND the current PSU generates enough power to make it run reliably.

You'll have to check each product you're considering to ensure it will fit within the confines of your case and you'll have to check how much power the PSU supplies especially on the 12V line. The info is usually available if you open the case and get the info off the side of the PSU.

By the way..how much RAM does you system have ?

VAPCMD

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by ThomasEBUK / December 24, 2012 1:30 AM PST

4Gig atm. im considering an upgrade.

Thanks for your advice.

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Notta wok.
by bob b / December 23, 2012 11:41 PM PST

Unless you want to upgrade the psu.

You have a 320w psu.
The 440 is 56w.
The 560 is 170w.
Bummer.

If you don't want to upgrade the psu then look at a Hd 7750.
Should be a nice bump.

Since you have that small size case I'll leave it to you to do the measuring and see if the card will physically fit.

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(NT) And the 7550 is on the list!
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / December 24, 2012 12:15 AM PST
In reply to: Notta wok.
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In your opinion..
by ThomasEBUK / December 24, 2012 1:35 AM PST
In reply to: Notta wok.

What power supply wattage would you suggest I use if I was to go for a power intensive card like the 560?

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Take your existing PSU and add enough for the 560.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / December 24, 2012 1:44 AM PST
In reply to: In your opinion..

You have 320 so let's find a review with the power requirement. I see about 200 Watts for the video card alone so we'll want double that if we want a stable machine to last a few years.

That puts us in the 720 Watt region and either get a single rail PSU or a PSU with 30 Ampere +12V rails.
Bob

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Psu
by bob b / December 24, 2012 7:04 AM PST
In reply to: In your opinion..

I'd be looking in the 650/750w single rail area.

Before you jump on this stuff.....give some thought to how your going to handle an extra 120+ watts of heat inside that small case.

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