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Do you use Internet Explorer 7?

by Marc Bennett CNET staff/forum admin / January 11, 2007 6:26 AM PST

Do you use Internet Explorer 7?

Yes (Do you like it?)
Not yet, but I will soon
Not anymore (Why not?)
No, and I never will! (Why not?)
I have it installed, but I use another browser (Which one and why?)

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Technically better but ........
by Iowarth / January 11, 2007 5:54 PM PST

I installed IE7 on the basis that IE6 was slow, clumsy and unstable. I was using Firefox most of the time but was prepared to give Microsoft a chance. I shouldn't have bothered. Yes it is faster and more (but not totally) stable. Apart from that I loath it.
Most particularly defaulting to an icon only view. Like many people (as I have discovered when computer training) I do not like icons in isolation - in fact, I can't even understand most of them. Although options allow the restore of a menu I still find the thing looks 'orrible! (And I won't mention how long it took me to find out how to do that).
Better than IE 6? Just about. Better than Firefox? Not by a million miles. Someone commented on another thread about IE7 forcing non-compliant websites off the web. Probably MS's dream but I sincerely hope not - especially as I have had IE7 fall over on totally WWC compliant sites. I would rather see IE7 forced out by non-compliant websites which nevertheless have good content - that is the really important factor.
Finally, we come to resources. A quick check shows IE7 68478kb, Firefox 28304kb, and Mozilla 27588kb. Yet more bloatware it would seem.
So, for me, no, I won't roll back to IE7 but mainly because I use IE as little as possible anyway.

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yep
by MichaelF / January 11, 2007 6:10 PM PST

Well said

I would agree with everything you say. I upgraded but only to make sure the computer was as secure as possible, since you have to have an IE on it whether you want to or not. But it makes no difference as I mainly use firefox and there are only a few must have sites that use IE. Funnily enough though I have found that those sites now work better in Firefox using the IEtab extension than they do in IE7.

By the way, how did you get menus back?

Michael

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IE Menus
by Iowarth / January 11, 2007 8:07 PM PST
In reply to: yep

Hi Michael
This is most unfair - you made me open IE7 so I could see how I did it! You can't expect me to remember at my age! Happy
Anyway, at the extreme right hand end of probably the bottom row of whatever crud IE 7 has inserted in the space at the top you will find a drop down entitled "Tools". This includes a check option for "Menu Bar". Hey presto!

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Alternative method ofr IE menus
by aed49 / January 11, 2007 10:03 PM PST
In reply to: IE Menus

Right-click in the toolbar area. Click Menu to select it. Voila, the menu appears. If you right-click again, you will see that Menu is checked. This works on all Microsoft products for all toolbars -- prior to Office 2007 (I am not there yet...).

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Alternatively...
by Ed-duh-win / January 16, 2007 3:44 PM PST

Or you can press Alt key for temporary call-up duty.

For Office 2007, it's totally different. I have it, I know. I like the new interface but if you're not good with finding things out, I suggest you stick with Office 2003.

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Menu Bar
by marcysm / January 16, 2007 12:08 AM PST
In reply to: IE Menus

Got it! Thank You, Thank you!!!

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To get the menu bar back in ie7 just press the 'alt' key
by ny2nv / January 12, 2007 12:24 AM PST
In reply to: yep

I've been using ie7 since day 1 of the beta release, I also have Foxfire and Opera, now I use only ie7. To get the menu bar back in ie7 just press the 'alt' key. I am also using the Vista beta, I will install the final the day it's released.

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Firefox rules ! :-)
by hogan / January 12, 2007 2:14 AM PST
In reply to: yep

I used to use Netscape when it first came out; it was so much better than Microsoft. Then AOL (?) stuck it's finger in and it went downhill - although I know some people who made a lot of money out of it (not me). Now I use firefox, I actively uninstall lots of MS products and use either shareware or freeware, the expensive stuff really doesn't perform any better. I built my pc by taking the side of my old one and working out what all the connectors did, so the software was pretty easy.

Lynux rocks, Firefox rocks, Audacity does my audio, Avast and others my protection and I can contribute to the development cost in line with commercial apps after I'm happy it works.

Get rid of IE not only because it doesn't work too well and is intrusive but the big companies are getting way too wealthy at the expense of international e communities.

regards

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IE7
by HD1080p / January 11, 2007 11:34 PM PST

Well I seem to be in the main stream finally. Regarding the "New IE7" that MS raved about ..... for me it just does not work. Oh it worked on my computer, the first time I installed it !! Now that's almost a first
for sure. But as to me using it as my default browser,? Noin a million years. FireFox has it beat in EVERY respect. The stupid look of IE7 is enough to put you off without even using, or trying to use it. No, for me at least, it's FireFox all the way and ThunderBird also all the way.
Sorry Bill G but NO THANKS. I have IE6 installed and it will stay there gathering dust. I very occasionally use IE6 for a second or two then back to FF

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unsupported IE7
by alex18 / January 12, 2007 1:36 AM PST

my problem is that the university uses administrative software that is not supporting IE7 so it really screwwed up my day until I loaded Netscape, they also don't support Mosilla 2 so that did not work.

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IE7 is great for me
by Catmoves / January 12, 2007 1:44 AM PST

"I installed IE7 on the basis that IE6 was slow, clumsy and unstable." For a minute I thought you might be referring to Adobe Reader. Happy I am using IE7 and really appreciate its advantages. Have had no conflict myself, though I hear others having problems. I also have downloaded some of the extensions and so far they are behaving as advertised.

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To Use or Not To Use IE (in any form)
by NANCYAC / January 12, 2007 5:01 PM PST

I also find IE so annoying that I have switched to Mozilla and only use IE7 when forced too because of incompatibility w/ Mozilla.

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MOzilla Firefox
by basilsch / January 13, 2007 5:26 PM PST

I agree that IE 7 still has a long way to go. I reverted to IE6 as I found 7 too slow and it clashed with my HP camera software.

I do have a question regarding Firefox, I find it very flashy. Here when the selected site is open the page seems to flash probably when the page is refreshed but it is very annoying. Is there a way around this and to speed it up. I use a 56K dial modem to access the net on my Win XP SP2 workstation

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fasterfox and more
by joaomiguelxs / January 13, 2007 11:34 PM PST
In reply to: MOzilla Firefox

I don't know about the flashing screen you experience, but here's a couple of extensions that will definetly make Firefox faster. You can download them at the Mozilla Add-ons directory: https://addons.mozilla.org/?application=firefox

Fasterfox - cache manager
Web developer tools - you can disable images, objects, etc

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Flashing firefox screen
by basilsch / March 3, 2007 9:36 PM PST
In reply to: fasterfox and more

I use Windows XP Sp2 with an LCD Monitor. My home page has these areas on the screen that change every few minutes to advertise another services etc they have on offer.Each time the cotent of the block changes the block and the surrounding area flash/flicker

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Ex7
by Mankarlen / January 13, 2007 9:36 PM PST

How much of this is a just a dislike of microsoft. I had firefox put on my computer by a tech and got rid of it. Once you get used to Ex7 it is alot better than 6.

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...but nothing.
by Ryo Hazuki / January 17, 2007 7:20 AM PST

I would agree with you on the part of IE6 being clumsy and unstable but to call it slow is calling all other browsers super-slow or something like that (either that or you had your computed infected). Saying you were prepared to give Microsoft a chance and then bash IE 7 like you do is one of the most incoherent things I've read recently, since any unbiased person agrees that IE 7 is at least a good browser. I shouldn't bother either with correcting biased opinions of people like you, but anyway. Yes, you're right, it is faster (slightly) and more stable (not totally - as no browser is - but much more than IE 6). Apart from that it has many other pros (like security, just to name one) and yet you loath it (why am I not surprised that you do?).
What is the problem of defaulting to a icon only view, are you blind or have mental problems to recognize symbols or are you too dumb to change the settings? Interesting you say that many people don't like icons in isolation because that is the absolute first time I hear anyone criticising that - in fact, it's not Microsoft's fault that you are too dumb to understand what the icons mean (I do and I'm sure most people do too). Again, I disagree with you when you say things look horrible without the meny but, once again too, you can set it to be visible all the time (as I did, for reasons other than looks) so you're argument is ridiculous when you have the option to put it like you like. (and I won't mention either how dumb you have to be to take more than 15 seconds to find out how to do that or to look in the help file how to do it)
Better than IE6? Definitely, much better. Better than Firefox? Absolutely. And on one hand you say you hope it's not true that IE7 is forcing non-compliant websites off the web (leaving any human being with a brain to conclude you don't think it's important for a website to be compliant). On the other hand, you say that would be Microsoft's dream and criticise IE7 for not being totally WWC compliant (so being compliant is just important if/when a Microsoft's product fails the complaince test, did I get it right?) - for your information Firefox is not WWC compliant either. So if you think non-compliant websites have good content and that is the really important factor, why is it so important for IE7 to be totally WWC compliant, could you please decide yourself once and for all and start making sense?
Finally, resources, yes. Your numbers are very interesting given a quick check on my P4 3.06GHz with 1.3 GB RAM shows IE7 38652kb and that number almost never passes the 100000kb mark, while I recall when I used Firefox 2 for a short period of time when it was released some months ago it would quickly raise to the 200000kb (yes, 200000kb) mark after about 15 minutes of use, something my friends (who use Firefox 2) confirm happens to them too. Yet more ignorance regarding Microsoft products, it would seem too.
So, for starters, I think it's a little hard to "roll back to IE7", as you say, but for me no hyped Firefox thank you, because, I will keep using IE 7 mainly because (unlike Firefox 2) renders every page I visit perfectly, doesn't use 200MB of my RAM after just 15 minutes and, last but not least, *is secure*.

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IE sucks
by hermandic / January 18, 2007 8:06 AM PST

microsoft really just sucks in general, i prefer Opera or Firefox or even Seamonkey, all are excellent, i hate microsoft and everything about them, i know if u read my profile u'll see that it says im on a 2003 compaq P.O.S. well im on a mac now ^.^ love it love it LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!! please dont use microsoft products almost 80% of the time they will have errors, crash, or worse Shocked

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Internet Explorer 7
by wabash2552 / January 11, 2007 6:09 PM PST

I installed it and had nothing but trouble...couldn't get anything to work right so it didn't take me long to take that thing out.

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Must Agree with the NON Users of IE7....
by Nanci252 / January 12, 2007 5:23 AM PST
In reply to: Internet Explorer 7

First, the "look" is terrible for me. Guess I'm stuck in "habits"....and I love WindowBlinds - so it's not just the look, but design as well. The disappearing menus as well.....if I'd have been patient enough to even search for the return of the menu I may have tried it more than a day ! I use a widescreen flat panel with very high resolution and IE7 messed with that so terribly I was furious I couldn't sit and play a bunch of games at Pogo.com without reverting all my screen settings to "deal with" the IE7 modifications !
And the tabbed browsing ? What the?....
What was wrong with the nested taskbar design ? duh.

Second. The WAY it gets "pushed" on you by way of WindowsUpdate....as tho it were a Critical Update !! I saw it is listed in optional under software updates - but when I did WU last week - there it was again - Trying to Sneak into the Download area even after I had purposely UNChecked it's "pick me" box - indicating I didn't WANT to download it - when the gray popup opened and began downloading - THERE IT WAS !! I canceled the download, started over (cleared cookies and temp files, did a thorough Disk Cleanup, emptied Recycle, Cleared History - even cleared recently viewed documents, etc. and rebooted).....
Went back to WU, "custom" and once again it showed up even after being chosen to NOT install at this time.....and I simply did the add/remove once the install screen was complete ! Then, restarted . Haven't seen it since. Altho, it still tries to incorporate itself when I do WU.

I'm one of those who will not put Automatic Updates "ON" until the dead last minute that they force us to, in order to get the updates....Just this reason...they push items on you that are not needed, and for some of the family - who never use remote assistance, smart cards, etc......too many of these updates just fill up the system to no useful end for the home / family users I have to do repairs for !! I always tell them to READ what the screen says BEFORE clicking the "do it" button - but have found that later in a few months they are calling to ask why they have so little space left (with NO good files added to their knowledge ...ie. photos, music, video etc.) and machine runs slower than they were use to ...
Upon inspection....there's 14 or 15 WU files that have no useful purpose for them - and I delete 'em off, clean them up and it's right back to what they want.
So why does MS feel that forcing folks to "think" the updates are Neccessary is a Good Plan ?

FYI.....Belarc Advisor gives a supreme set of security definitions within the use of their program and I feel quite safe running anywhere (except porn sites, of course)....on the internet without a virus (knock wood) in over 4 (four) YEARS !! And we run three units here at home (one wireless, too), and none have "caught" anything in a very very long time.

Rant Over. LOL

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Interesting.
by Ed-duh-win / January 13, 2007 6:06 PM PST

Hmm, interesting. My school found a way to stop the download from happening, somehow.

May I suggest this to you and other non-IE users: just have it on your PC to have things work correctly, and for Windows Update; for daily browsing use Firefox or whatever you feel like. Firefox has the option to turn it to the default browser so it shouldn't hurt you too bad.

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IE 6.0 , 7.0 vs Fire Fox etc
by Gatorelf / January 14, 2007 10:29 PM PST
In reply to: Internet Explorer 7

I keep seeing that you guys post IE is unstable ? Why have I never had a problem? explain unstable for me please. The only time I ever loose anything on my computer is if the battery dies on me...and who's fault is that .. soon as I plug it up I have everything right back.. 6.0 is a very reliable easy to use browser, 7.0 which I have been using since it came out is just as easy and has a couple extra features like the tab windows.. Its ok and I use it when working, the best part is I have the option of new window or tabbed window. If your IE is unstable you have other problems (Add ware maybe). as far as fire fox from my group of friends its like the old AOL browser, like adding a virus to your computer. add ware out the ying yang they say.

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updated to IE 7 and now cant use my computer at all..
by BungalowMo / January 11, 2007 6:47 PM PST

As the title of my post suggests, I have very recently upgraded to IE7 and as I was going out after, didnt restart but instead just closed down when the update was finished. Since restarting the computer it appears to start but then only shows my desktop picture and the mouse pointer, no task bar or start button, nothing else on the screen at all! I have tried restarting it several times with the same result. I have an HP Pavillion a210a, running XP, but do not have an XP cd as it was not provided by the large company where I bought the computer at the time of purchase, however I do have the 8 backup discs that I was required to create. If anyone has any suggestions PLEASE HELP!

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Problems after installing IE7
by MissT9957 / January 11, 2007 9:40 PM PST

I lost all of my Explorer links and had to create a link in a document to get back on the net after installing IE7 and a coworker had the same problem on our home systems.
We're now having problems with our database system crashing on certain screens that reference web sites. Microsoft is apparently well aware of the problems this monster is causing because they now have a support number that will be in operation until at least November.
The support number is 866-234-6020 and bring your patience. If your system did not come with a receovery disk and you never made your initial backup of the system they may eventually send you an installation disk to reinstall XP. Doing a complete clean installation was the only answer in some cases.

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IE7
by nomadd74 / January 13, 2007 2:58 PM PST

No, I do not like IE7, to commence with I find it difficult to copy and paste now, which was a breeze with IE6. Trying hard to perservere with IE7, but will probably changeover to another outfit.

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To Can't use machine at all.....now.....
by Nanci252 / January 12, 2007 5:39 AM PST

When your computer is first turned on, be ready to press F8 (boot modes) once the HP/Compaq/ Logo screen is shown.....You should see a small note in corner indicating entering a "Function mode" (similar to Bios F2) and select SAFE MODE, or if you don't feel confident, use LAST GOOD CONFIG....

Safe Mode will allow you to reach a modified desktop screen, where you can access MY COMPUTER > Add/Remove Programs or System Restore.
LAST Good config "should" be tried FIRST.....as, you were working normally before the download ? right? XP creates restore points regularly and can recover itself back to BEFORE the download.
If you wish to pursue this, please check my profile and email me. Good luck.

You want to avoid trying to reinstall Until you have tried to first bring the patient back by simpler means !! Those pre-made backups (you said 8 disks?) are only as good as the date & time you made them. If that was 10mos. ago....you'll be restored to THAT time parameter....and missing 10mos. of saved data.

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IE7
by NeonDevil / January 11, 2007 7:12 PM PST

I might be missing something really simple but I couldnt find all the old buttons I used to have, how do you read email, I was unable to check my mail so I reverted back, twice now I have installed and uninstalled - I was very unimpressed

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Yes but...
by forget_me_not81 / January 11, 2007 7:32 PM PST
In reply to: IE7

Well yes, it is installed on my system at work. I didn't do it for my own PC. But in either cases, I am using firefox.

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Mail access in IE7
by malc51 / January 11, 2007 8:19 PM PST
In reply to: IE7

I use hotmail and when I changed from IE6 to IE7, I said the same thing, "how do I get into my mail"?.
As I wanted to get into my mail 'now' and not wait until I had got used to the new layout of IE7, I first did this.....

1)...typed in 'Hotmail.com' in my search bar...opened up the signing in page...then added that page to my favourites. So next time I wanted to sign in to my mail account, I just followed the link from my favourites.

Next, I then set about finding out how the new layout works and found how to add a 'mail' link to my tool bar...like this...

2)...left click on 'Tools'...left click on 'Toolbar'...left click on 'Customize'...in the left handside, highlight 'Mail' and left click on 'Add'...you will now have an 'envelope' icon on your task bar to access your default mail account.

Malc.

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Finding your way around IE7
by Catmoves / January 12, 2007 2:30 AM PST
In reply to: IE7

For some unknown reason Micro$oft decided to rearrange all the old style buttons on IE7. To help you, go to the home page of IE7 and you will find explanations of what they did (but not why) to the tool bar after getting all their users to learn the older IE setups. I suspect somewhere they hired an artsy-craftsy type person and that person thought it would be fun to find out how many users would have problems. Maybe Bill G. shouldn't have given up his position.

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