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CNET Prizefight: Apple iPhone vs. LG Voyager
I don't know if I can put to much into this as you call it prize fight when CNET tells us that Cell phones aren't worth much if they don't make good calls. And though both handsets run on the same carrier, Don't you guys know the difference between GSM & CDMA.
Both phones do not run on the same carrier. What are you talking about?. What good is a phone if it doesn't have good call quality? I do think its unfair to the Iphone to compare the call quality since CDMA is superior to GSM. The Voyager is better, no doubt.
CDMA vs. GSM
If CDMA is supirior to GSM as you say, then why is GSM more accepted around the world, compared to GSM? When one travels, one has more service through GSM compared to CDMA, also given that unlocked phones (at least until Sprint changes it's policy) are only on the GSM netowrk.
the CDMA cellphone network can better penetrate walls than other networks. that's what makes it better.
two cdma networks are verizon and alltel with alltel having superior coverage in many areas and verizon having a broader phone selection.
however, alltel has fewer phones, but excellent coverage and i have never had a dropped call. none of my verizon friends can make that statement. also, the voice/call quality on any of alltel's phones are superior to any of the others i have used.
A GSM network is cheaper to build then a CDMA network, hence the reason GSM networks are more prevalent. It has nothing to do with why one network is better then the other. CDMA networks are much more "powerful" and therefore are more expensive.
Eh, given the choice...
Setting the Prize Fight aside, if I had to choose between iPhone or the Voyager, I would go with the Voyager. To say nothing about iPhone's lack of 3G, to me, it just comes down to the fact that the Voyager has a physical QWERTY keybaord. I handled the iPhone, it just wasn't for me with it's 99% on screen controls. I simply can't type on the iPhone, not do I feel comfortable in doing so.
Matter of preference
OK, I came from a hardcore HP 69xx and Blackberry background. After leaving a job and taking my number back I decided that AT&T charges me 39.99 for unlimited data for my windows device, while I get it for 20 on the iPhone.
So after all the rumors and stuff, I decided to get me one (to see what the hype is all about). One of the reviewers is not a big drawback for the Voyager, I would contest (having one and a Blackjack for work) aaahhhhaaaa it is. One of my favorite features is that wireless support and the ability to turn it on after asking the question. The browsing capabilities of the iPhone are unmatched and the e-mail client is way above the other.
The keyboard takes some getting used to, but I have to admit it is for sure the best phone keyboard to be operated with one hand (yeah getting of the plane aso, it beats anything I have had before). Don't get me wrong the Voyager is a very nice phone and the device voice quality is a tad better then the iPhone, but I also have to say after owning one of each if I pay for it, it will be the iPhone everytime.
iphone still on top
The iphones touch screen interface is innovative and very responsive compared to the voyager's. Also the 4gb or 8gb built in memory really adds to the phone's multimedia abilities (have to buy microsd card for voyager. Even though voyager uses a 3g network and has stereo bluetooth built in, both technologies are going to be alot more useful in the future (iphone will have caught up with that in the future). Not many descent bluetooth headphones exist or bluetooth speakers. As for messaging, being a cell phone salesperson, not many people actually use mms messaging as people actually think.
LOL, no MMS?
Jackwise, that's pretty funny and you already give yourself away by saying handset salesperson. Trust me, your carrier may not be doing a lot of MMS messaging, but I've seen the numbers for a few of the top carriers. Trust me, there's a lot more than YOU think. As the need for MMS grows, the more likely people are going to choose handsets that are capable of sending multimedia and the iPhone severely lacks in functionality that has anything to do with a true wireless phone. Basically it's an iPod with a small amount of phone guts, just enough for it to not be simply a dead stick.
Hellow what you mean no mms
Come on you guys so what if it dont have mms. IT HAS EMAIL. FYI you can email someones phone a picture, WITH UR IPHONE. Just email the picture to their number@ whatever their service's mms email is.com. For example to send a picture to a cingular customer it is firstname.lastname@example.org or for verizon its email@example.com. So you can use "mms" its just email.
Email vs MMS
Motoxer, you make it sound like sending an email is just as easy as sending a MMS. I certainly don't know or remember the mobile service provider for each one of my friends so it's a lot easier to send an MMS to their mobile number than an email. I consider it a joke that the $400 iPhone can't do MMS when the majority of other camera phones can do it, including the really cheap ones that you can get for free when you sign up for service.
You only need to remember the mms gateway once
When you're viewing photos in the iPhone's photo gallery, there's a button on-screen to send the photo as an e-mail. All you need to do is program in the person's phone number + mms gateway for the provider as one of the person's e-mail addresses (the iPhone allows you to store many e-mail addresses and phone numbers per person) and select from the list. No more difficult than selecting a person's phone number from a list.
Regardless, MMS should be supported on the iPhone
You're right about only needing to know the mms gateway once for each carrier but you need to know the carrier of each of your contacts in order to know which mms gateway to use. Regardless, my point is that the $400 (formerly $600) iPhone should support MMS and you shouldn't have to use alternatives like email.
Btw, have you ever tried asking the "average" person for the mms gateway of their carrier? They won't even know what you're talking about.
It should be supported
Yes you would think apple would include it but honestly if it only takes a quick internet search to find all your friends carriers gateways and then a good 5 minutes to add them to your contacts then is it honestly a problem. Besides once 3rd party apps officially come out I am almost certain an MMS app will be created. There is already one for jailbroken iphones as well as plenty of other apps that honestly make the iphone worth the money. Once apple supports third party software, the people who arent willing to void their warranty right now will be able to and it will definitely be hard to compare the iphone with other phones. Especially considering the fact that so many people use the iphone, there will be more developers out there that will make cool stuff for it.
I agree, 3rd party apps are the best part!
The problem with the iPhone is that 3rd Party Apps are probably the best (or.....going to be......the best....) part of the iPhone. It's more than enough to convince almost anyone to buy, and then to jailbreak, their phone, and once the SDK is released, the iPhone will finally be crowned.
As for an MMS fix, most people actually do know the MMS Gateway for their carrier if you ask them "how do you email something to your phone" or something, almost everyone I know knows how to do that, and most of them aren't very tech-oriented. Either way, I'm sure there will be a fix coming soon in a software update, there's just no way Apple will overlook it twice.
Now, don't flame me for saying this, but Apple **may have** intentionally left out some noticeable, but features you could still live with out, out of the iPhone so that they could start some hype every once and a while, so that they could release it on time, and so that they could prove to the world that the updating system that the iPhone uses is better than any other phone's, and it is!
who cares if the the voyager doesn't have wifi. it still has a great user interface. also, typing on a virtual keyboard is hard, whereas the qwerty keyboard on the voyager is no match for the iPhone's virtual keyboard. they both have 2 MP camera, but the iPhone has more memory. but 8 gig is for EVERYTHING. movies, music and contacts. itunes is good, but you need a computer. but with the voyager, you can make over the air purchases. something you cant do with the Iphone.
it has mac OS X. How is that an iPod with enough phone guts to not be a dead stick? ie don't count out the SDK in feb.
Sexiness is the last thing I'm thinkin' about when I buy a phone. Functionality and reliability are top priority. Both phone have that(I think) but I think I'd go with the Voyager. I don't know, call me "Human" but I need the tactile feel of pressing a button. Besides, I've seen iPhone users roaming the streets like lemmings and tapping on the glass screen like if they were at an aquarium--NO THANKS.
How could you say that sexiness has nothing to do with the purchase of your phone? It has a very big part of everyone's decision making. Otherwise we'd all be driving Ford Escorts and using CRT monitors. Look and feeel (which is a better term than sexiness) is a huge part of buying a cell phone. Otherwise, I'd just cram all those cool features into a Zack Morris brick phone.
Voyager is plain ugly
I don't understand how Voyager got any points in sexiness... It's ugly, plain and simple. Its design and QWERTY keyboard copied from old Nokia Communicator and HTC smart phones, and comparing it to iPhone is simply silly. And, no, I do not have an iPhone and am not going to get it until v2 at least.
CNET is crazy
Once again, CNet proves that they're crazy. The iPhone is the clear winner. They are comparing the iPhone that has been out for a while against the Voyager which is brand new. The iPhone couldn't have 3G because it didn't exist in a small enough form factor back then. The next iPhone will.
The on screen keyboard may seem difficult to use at first, but ask any iPhone user and they will tell you that it is very easy to use once you get used to it. Why have a keyboard taking up space when you aren't using it 90% of the time? The iPhone keyboard only pops up when typing is required.
Multimedia messaging? Who needs that? Type an email or talk on the phone. Pick one.
The Safari web browser kills any type of web browsing experience on any cell phone. Also, when the 3rd party developer SDK is released, you will see a slew of new iPhone apps that will destroy any other phones built in applications. Look at the ones that are currently available for the jailbroken iPhones.
Everybody here is a critic.
It is obvious that you are an apple fan boy, but besides, you are plain ignorant. The Iphone will most likley not be upgrading to 3G, as you so infer, wifi is enough for this phone. Also, people use Multi-Media messaging, hate to burst your bubble.
This prizefight is a tough call, both are awesome phones, but serve to completly different clientel. Both have there flaws, but, the voyager does fight through. In my opinion, the iphone is very unique, but its lack of basics, and a bad network, make it a little easier to compete with.
(BTW- The whole recessed headphonejack???? This should show how money grubing, apple can be.)
The voyager wins for taking something inventive, then applying to our lives, and building off that.
We have 2 amazing phones here, but....
(let it stand)
facts are facts
Cnet actually had an article that says that the next iphone is going to be 3g capable so I would check on things before critisizing. The fact is if you ask 9 out of 10 people if they wanted an iphone (on any carrier) compared to a voyager everybody would say iphone. I personally don't have an iphone but let's face it. It's just what is hot for now.
I suggest you learn your languages before trying to show off
Stare Decisis is the Latin term for "to stand by that which is decided." The basic Latin term for "Let it Stand" is Staret Id.
Of course, one can see what you are trying to say, but nothing pisses me off more than people that think they know what they're talking about, try to show off with it, and really have no clue. So some advice:
Learn your languages before trying to use them to show off or make you look good.
3G in a small form factor?
Have you ever even seen a RAZR or a KRZR or some of the teensy phones that both Sprint and VZ have out on their 3G networks? A few of those are packed to the gills.
I've seen the guts, the hardware for 3G transmission aren't that large. It may stand that Apple wouldn't have been able to cram even that into their slim handset, but what is a few centimeters?
People say these thing as if Apple created the iPhone 10 years ago and it's the staunch incumbent in a hard fought battle...It doesn't have the market share to require a true "killer phone". Mainly we're just seeing if VZ can stem the very very very slow trickle of iPhone switchers and win back some of those that are looking for a reason to go back.
Apple and oranges
The RAZR and KRZR you're referring to are CDMA/EVDO phones on VZW and Sprint, not GSM/UMTS. Different technologies, different parts. It's been stated recently that Apple will be selling 3G iPhones in 2008, now that new 3G chipsets meet their size and power consumption requirements.
AT&T RAZRs only support GPRS, and KRZRs support EDGE, so the GSM versions are no faster than the iPhone.
3G in a RAZR?
Quote: "Have you ever even seen a RAZR or a KRZR or some of the teensy phones that both Sprint and VZ have out on their 3G networks? A few of those are packed to the gills."
Of course the RAZR can use existing 3G chips, they don't have to worry about battery life. The iPhone has a giant touch screen with tons of mutimedia features and the 3G chips that existed when the iPhone came out consumed too much power. The iPhone a lot of network connectivity for Visual Voicemail, Email, YouTube, Safari, etc. so the 3G chips would have sucked up battery life, so they went for EDGE. Now that 3G chips consume less power, you will see the next iPhone use them. This has been an almost confirmed rumor and Jobs will hopefully make it official at MacWorld.
What about syncing with existing technology
This is actually a very important piece of functionality, and why I put off buying a smart phone for 4.5 years. Shouldn't a smart phone work with your other technology. Otherwise you can get buy with simple handsets. I think you need a round 6.
Should have included syncing and monthly cost
You should have included a round for syncing files, contacts, bookmarks, and calender with my PC.
You should have also included a round for monthly cost. One of the reasons I favor iPhone over any other AT&T smartphone is monthly cost of the data plan. I would have liked to know what the Voyager data plans cost.
This was the biggest hole in the review, from my standpoint
While the Voyager is given points for OTA music downloads (compared to Wifi-only downloads on the iPhone), it doesn't say anything about the number of songs at ITMS vs. VCast, or the price of those songs. What do ringtones cost at ITMS vs. VCast? Can I sync VCast songs to my computer at home? Can I burn them to CD? I can do both of those things with ITMS, but there's just no information about VCast's restrictions.
What about e-mail service support? The iPhone supports Yahoo! mail, GMail, .mac, AOL, IMAP and POP. The Voyager? VZW's site says AOL and MSN. Depending on which e-mail provider you use, this might be important.
MMS vs. e-mail? You have a choice - with VZW, pay extra for a messaging package ($5+/month) or pay $0.25/MMS message. AT&T - send that picture in an e-mail for free.
Is the navigation service free, or do you have to pay for it? (Note that VZnavigator does not use satellite-based GPS, but the terrestrial "assisted-GPS" cell-tower-triangulation system.) I couldnt' find the answer to that one on VZW's website.
Does the Voyager's address book store addresses? The iPhone's does; the Voyager's apparently doesn't.
Does the Voyager let you sync your bookmarked web pages with your computer? The iPhone does; this wasn't even addressed in the review, and VZW's web page doesn't answer the question.
Does the Voyager play Youtube videos? The iPhone does; this was also not addressed in the review and it's not answered at vzw.com.
How much storage capacity does the Voyager have built-in? Do you have to buy a separate SD card to copy music onto it from your computer? What software do you use to copy music onto it? Not addressed in the review; not answered on Verizon's webpage.
If anyone can answer these questions, please post. I'd actually like to know the difference, because it could help people make a better decision.
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