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BO, Senate, and military

by TONI H / December 4, 2012 8:28 PM PST

Senate passed a bill yesterday 98-0 for the defense budget for 2013 of $613B, and BO has threatened to veto it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-raises-objections-to-defense-bill/2012/11/29/122aba4e-3a74-11e2-b01f-5f55b193f58f_story.html

One of his objections: He wants to raise the amount military personnel has to pay for their healthcare thru TriCare.....>>>The White House also urged approval of proposed changes to the Tricare military health system, including increased fees that the OMB said are needed to "control the spiraling DOD health-care costs.">>>

http://www.khou.com/news/national/182084801.html

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You guys are all over the map
by JP Bill / December 4, 2012 8:58 PM PST

Senate passed a bill yesterday 98-0 for the defense budget for 2013 of $613B, and BO has threatened to veto it.

The proposal that House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and other Republican leaders sent to the White House this week calls for cuts of $300 billion in discretionary spending to achieve savings of $2.2 trillion over 10 years. The blueprint offered no specifics on the cuts, although the Pentagon and defense-related departments such as Homeland Security and State make up roughly half of the federal government's discretionary spending.

By any credible calculation, the military, which is still coming to grips with the half-trillion-dollar cut in last year's deficit-cutting law, is looking at an additional $10 billion to $15 billion cut in projected defense spending each year for the next decade. It's a prospect that Republicans recognize is the new reality, with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ending and deficits demanding deep cuts.

"Not too devastating," said Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee. That's especially true compared with the alternative that McCain dreads - the double hit of tax hikes and automatic spending cuts dubbed the fiscal cliff.

Tea partyers and fiscal conservatives recently elected to Congress have shown a willingness to cut defense, traditionally considered almost untouchable.

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What they passed
by TONI H / December 4, 2012 10:16 PM PST

is far less than what the 'normal' defense budget is, and it's still not good enough for BO. So what is it exactly that you are criticizing? Especially when you make a comment of "you guys are all over the map"......which 'you guys' are you talking about because a 98-0 vote covers everyone in the Senate, both parties.

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RE: "you guys are all over the map"
by JP Bill / December 4, 2012 10:26 PM PST
In reply to: What they passed

First you say you do...then you don't.....

It's a prospect that Republicans recognize is the new reality, with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ending and deficits demanding deep cuts.

"Not too devastating," said Sen. John McCain of Arizona,

Tea partyers and fiscal conservatives recently elected to Congress have shown a willingness to cut defense, traditionally considered almost untouchable.


Cuts to the military would be devastating (now they're not too devastating)... almost untouchable (now willing to change)...But THEY change their minds....

When THEY make changes...it's not ramming, it's changes....

BUT Obama is ramming stuff through.

Are you in favour of cuts to the military now?

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Did you not get it?
by TONI H / December 4, 2012 11:09 PM PST

The $631B bill that got passed with a unanimous vote in the Senate is way less than what is the 'normal' defense budget, and that amount represents the CUTS.......what BO wants is to gut the military with an additional $600B in cuts on top of the $500B that has ALREADY been put into place from a year or so ago.

It isn't Congress that's all over the map (both House and Senate)....it's the PREZ. We finally get the Senate to AGREE completely on something and BO has vowed to veto it because it isn't what HE wants to have happen.

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RE: it because it isn't what HE wants to have happen.
by JP Bill / December 4, 2012 11:18 PM PST
In reply to: Did you not get it?

The buck stops here.

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(NT) well with that much support, override the veto
by Roger NC / December 5, 2012 11:30 AM PST
In reply to: Did you not get it?
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one against 98???
by James Denison / December 5, 2012 4:22 AM PST

still looking for that totalitarian govt fascist, socialist and communist love?

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(NT) compared to a fundmental christian theorcracy?
by Roger NC / December 5, 2012 11:31 AM PST
In reply to: one against 98???
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yeah, I'll take the latter
by James Denison / December 5, 2012 12:43 PM PST

No matter how fundamental, at least it will be better than what Socialism and Communism has wrought in this world.

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Have you noticed the problems in this world?
by Diana Forum moderator / December 5, 2012 7:44 PM PST

Most are caused by religions believing they are right and everyone else that doesn't believe exactly like they do should be exterminated even those of their own faith that doesn't believe exactly like they do.

Which flavor of Christianity do you think should run things - the Westboro or Unitarian version? What about the people that believe in other religions or no religion? Should they be driven out?

Look at the track record of Christianity over the ages. I wouldn't like to live in that world.

Diana

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Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Totalitarianism,
by James Denison / December 5, 2012 8:56 PM PST

Dictators, Pol Pot types, Eugenists, and I certainly wouldn't label many if any of those as "religious". Your failure is in not making distinctions between religions or groups, prefering to foster a prejudicial attitude and apply it toward all, even without making exceptions for those who don't fit the mold, which is pretty much what the worst sort of racists do too.

No, I can't accept your view because it is severly skewed. I suspect you feel inadequate in some way to meet the standards demanded of and by religion, by God, and therefore have this rebellious attitude to all that is considered as having something to do with God and those who seek to follow Him.

However, your personal Bigotry toward all things religious is your own to suffer from and small comfort I can see that you might derive from it.

And to Roger; Crusades were initiated by the warlike Muslims and a reaction to them just as the Allies reacted to Hitler and the Nazis, so no points scored there against the religious.

I'll leave any answer on the Inquisition to the Catholic in this forum if he wishes.

IRA = Irish Republican Army. I see no religion in that description, in fact it pretty much sums up the movement which is nationalist, not religious, because if it was, then all Catholics everywhere would be involved in helping them, which is not the case at all. In fact, to point to the IRA as some sort of attack on religion is a very weak position to take.

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More human beings have been killed....
by Josh K / December 5, 2012 9:29 PM PST

.....in the name of God than in the name of any political ideology.

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Sorry, but the facts
by James Denison / December 6, 2012 11:25 PM PST

are against you.

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Sorry, but as usual....
by Josh K / December 10, 2012 5:46 AM PST
In reply to: Sorry, but the facts

.....you are incorrect.

Heck, on 9/11 alone 3,000 people were murdered in God's name. What do you think all the tumult in the middle east is about? Religion. Sunnis vs. Shiites, all of it is about religion, which leads to other prejudices.

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Ahhh,
by James Denison / December 10, 2012 5:55 AM PST

I make a distinction between God and Allah. Same as making a distinction between YHWH and Baal. Neither group are different names for the same entity.

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Neither group are different names for the same entity.
by JP Bill / December 10, 2012 6:01 AM PST

And you know this HOW?

People can read 2 different sources of an event that happened yesterday, What makes you think reports of something that happened thousands of years ago would be more accurate or laccurate?

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If that's what you believe
by James Denison / December 10, 2012 6:45 AM PST

then never mention anything older than the last 100 years.

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Your distinction is irrelevant
by Josh K / December 10, 2012 9:53 PM PST

The people who kill in (their) God's name believe their God IS God just as strongly as you believe in your God. Whether you personally believe their version of God is legitimate is your issue.

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irrelevant
by James Denison / December 10, 2012 11:33 PM PST

It's not irrelevant when their God is telling them to kill those who believe in my God. It's not irrelevant to God neither. May the best God win?

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James, re "when their God is telling them to kill"
by Roger NC / December 11, 2012 10:32 AM PST

Do you agree that almost every major religion's God has reportedly ordered those who believe differently to be killed in his name?

I realize that you, as a true believer in your faith, believe every other proposed God or religion as false and an agent of the devil.
Just as most of those that kill when their God orders' them to do so.

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Yes, Roger
by James Denison / December 11, 2012 12:33 PM PST

But I'm not out killing them because of it, nor because they are unbelievers in who I consider God. I do recognize a right to self defense however, I make distinction between insult and deadly threat in doing so.

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(NT) Crusades, Inquisition, IRA, ............
by Roger NC / December 5, 2012 8:03 PM PST
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Hmm
by James Denison / December 10, 2012 11:34 PM PST

Catholic, Catholic, Catholic. All those were Catholic. How many times must I remind you, I'm not Catholic.

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So what?
by Josh K / December 10, 2012 11:43 PM PST
In reply to: Hmm

Those were still acts of violence committed in the name of religion. The fact that it wasn't your religion is irrelevant.

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do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
by James Denison / December 11, 2012 12:18 AM PST
In reply to: Hmm

"It wasn't YOUR family that did it, but it was a family who did it, which means families are the cause of all those problems....."

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Since you replied to your own post....
by Josh K / December 11, 2012 12:34 AM PST

.....I'm guessing you're acknowledging how ridiculous your post was. Good.

That millions have been killed in God's name and in Jesus' name is fact. How many of the perpetrators share(d) your exact denomination is beside the point.

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If I take your method of interpretation
by James Denison / December 11, 2012 12:36 PM PST

then that means all Jews, even those separated from the event by time, are killers of Jesus. It would mean that all Jews are guilty of the genocide in Canaan during the days of Joshua as they entered the land. Is that what you are trying to sell me???

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I've permalinked your post
by JP Bill / December 11, 2012 3:26 AM PST

Next time you bring up shame, Muslim or black....expect a response.

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so your God and the Catholic God are entirely different?
by Roger NC / December 11, 2012 10:34 AM PST
In reply to: Hmm

not a difference of the rules of worship, but different Gods?

Interesting.

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No
by James Denison / December 11, 2012 12:43 PM PST

But there are obviously some differences in administrations and interpretations through the centuries. Do I care if 800-1000 years ago someone called Catholics finally responded to the Muslim atrocities as they eventually threated Europe with the same atrocities they'd already committed across northern Africa, Arabia, and beyond? Not really, nor do I feel they should have any sense of guilt in doing so, only at times in what was done in certain places at certain times, and my only regret, seeing the current resurgence of such atrocities growing in our own time, is that they didn't accomplish more then to stop it.

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