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BLUE RAY PLAYER OR PLAY STATION 3 ?

by bultacobob / September 16, 2007 9:15 AM PDT

HAVE A SONY 70" IN ROUTE AND WOULD LIKE TO PLAY BLUE RAYS WITH/ON IT . I HAVE A PS2 THAT WE RARELY USE BUT SOMETIMES WE DO . WHY WOULD ANYONE WHO PLAYS GAMES EVEN A LITTLE BUT A BLUE RAY PLAYER WHEN YOU CAN BUY A PS3 FOR THE SAME $ ? AM I MISSING SOMETHING ? I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY OPINIONS . THANKS IN ADVANCE . BOB

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I Agree
by peterpotter9999 / September 16, 2007 1:18 PM PDT

I'm completely in agreement. Playstation 3 is a great Blu Ray player as well.

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One possible downside to PS3
by kcfvegas / September 16, 2007 4:53 PM PDT

I don't know this for a fact, but I have heard that the PS3 doesn't up convert regular DVDs, and most if not all Blu Ray players do. If you have a lot of regular DVDs, you may want to think about that.

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research! yes ps3 does upscale dvds
by Tokyo Heat / September 16, 2007 7:00 PM PDT

research before you post so as to not give out false info. PS3 does upscale dvds and its a decent upscaler as cnet's tests results have shown. even beating out standalone upscalers. also ps3 comes with a hard drive for storing video, photos, and other media content.

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I have a life
by kcfvegas / September 17, 2007 3:47 AM PDT

Hey Heat, I was told by the salesman at Best Buy that that the PS3 did not up convert DVDs so I did get my information from someone that sells them and should know. Second I did say in my post that I "did not know this for a fact" inferring that it is possible my information may not be reliable. I'm sorry, but my life does not revolve around my game console, and I was only trying to help someone asking for some opinions about the PS3. Again, I may be wrong, but it looks like you're taking my PS3 comment a little personally.

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Best Buy salesman reliable source of info? Not!
by jbhenry / September 19, 2007 9:55 PM PDT
In reply to: I have a life

"I was told by the salesman at Best Buy that that the PS3 did not up convert DVDs so I did get my information from someone that sells them and should know."

Oxymoron?

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well, you could argue that he is right
by jostenmeat / September 20, 2007 1:31 AM PDT

because I don't think they do upconvert out of the box. At least they didn't use to. You had/have to update with firmware. That being said, big box employees are not the MOST informed, generally speaking. It's just the way it is.

They should allow employees internet access to AVS, CNET, av forums in general. On the job training Happy Oh, better block MySpace and YouTube, lol.

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yes, it does
by sonymaster101 / September 22, 2007 3:36 AM PDT
In reply to: I have a life

the sales people only know about what it comes with. through a system software update, it does upscale games and movies to 1080p. the salespeople say it doesn't because it ships with firmware 1.0. I know because I own one.

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PS3 does not up convert
by kcfvegas / September 17, 2007 4:06 AM PDT

OK Heat, I did my research and the PS3 does not up convert standard DVDs. Here is the quote from the cnet review of the PS3 "If we had one complaint with the PS3, it was that it didn't upscale standard DVDs to HD resolutions, a feature that's standard on other Blu-ray and HD-DVD players. Instead, they default to 480p (progressive-scan).
Oops, I guess you are the one that needs to do your research.

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Actually...
by ..ben / September 17, 2007 4:44 AM PDT

"Rumor control. Here are the facts:" (from Alien3)

Fact #1: The PS3 upconverts DVDs, all the way up to 1080p.
Fact #2: Upconversion became available as of the 1.80 System Software update, released May 24, 2007.
Fact #3: I know this to be true because I actually own a PS3.

Oops...

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sorry
by Tokyo Heat / September 17, 2007 6:11 AM PDT

sorry if that seemed a little offensive earlier i didn't mean anything by it. Sorry man research again (lol) cnet updated their part on on dvd's upscaling in one of their crave articals becuase as of firmware 1.80 dvds could be upscaled and they did test on it's upscaling.

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lol
by Tokyo Heat / September 17, 2007 6:14 AM PDT

next time you go back to the store you should tell that guy ps3 does upscale with a firmware update.

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Right and wrong
by kcfvegas / September 17, 2007 3:31 PM PDT
In reply to: lol

Looks like we were both right and wrong. Happy
It's good to know that it does upscale now.

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Upscale with HDMI
by mmuerte / September 20, 2007 2:17 AM PDT

I love my PS3, but it'll only upscale with the HDMI connection. My next HDTV will have one...

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Its not just your PS3
by jostenmeat / September 20, 2007 7:40 AM PDT
In reply to: Upscale with HDMI

No player can upscaled past 480p w/o HDMI. Actually they *COULD* via components, its just they all stoopid copyright/hdcp protection of some sort that disallows it.

There is a hack available (or so Ive read) for the Oppo 970 I believe, that will allow the components to pass 1080i upscaled. However, the warranty becomes voided, but who cares, helluva lot cheaper than a new tv.

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still the big question
by sarafrans / September 24, 2007 4:16 AM PDT

Some of us, like me, may wonder what you all mean by "upconvert" and "upsacle dvds". Will a PS3 play normal DVDs? HD DVDs? What won't it play? How will the PS3's capabilities/disabilites affect the everyday consumer?

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by ..ben / September 24, 2007 7:22 AM PDT
In reply to: still the big question

"Upconversion" and "upscaling" are often used interchangeably, referring to the process of taking a "normal" DVD signal (720x480i) and changing, or upconverting, it into a native 720p/1080i/1080p signal which is sent directly to an HDTV. The process involves two key elements: de-interlacing (the i in 480i stands for interlaced) and scaling (taking the image described by the DVD and sort of stretching it, by copying and averaging the colors of adjacent pixels in the source, aka interpolation, for example, to fill all the extra available pixels that your fancy-pants HDTV has). The quality of the upconversion process, in general, can vary on the chips used. Googling or searching this or other forums will give you more information.

What can the PS3 play? Blu-ray discs (BDs), for all intents and purposes are the same as HD-DVDs (technically they can hold more data, making them superior, but in practice, so far, most BDs are the 25GB versions, comparable to HD-DVDs), and regular DVDs, and it will upconvert DVDs. Well, technically, the PS3 doesn't actually do the upconversion; it relies upon the video processor built into your TV. Don't fret, every HDTV has one; it's how you watch all those non-HD cable channels... But the end result is an "upconverted" DVD signal that does look better. Not the best, like an Oppo, but better than "regular" DVD players.

The PS3 will not play HD-DVDs. I suppose you could consider this a disadvantage, but there's only one player that plays BDs and HD-DVDs, the BH100 made by LG and has an MSRP of $1200, I don't really think it's fair.

CNET has said that given the PS3 a very high rating, much due to its features outside of playing games. I have a PS3 and enjoy it thoroughly. The percentage of people for whom it would not make a great player is small.
Regarding BDs and HD-DVDs, there is A LOT of new technology, much of which is not even useable right now, such as new colorspaces, 2560x1440p resolution, bitstream HD audio, etc. For the "audio and A/V enthusiasts", these new discs offer extended benefits that can be experienced with specialized equipment. I mean, you can watch a Blu-ray or HD-DVD disc on a 20-year-old TV... but it won't be in HD; you need an HDTV. The same is true for the audio. For the "average consumer"***, the only drawback currently is the price, although considering that it's currently one of the least expensive BD players available, it's more of an asset than a liability. And btw it plays games, lets you store your music and video and picture collections, has a Web browser, etc.

*** If you ______________, you are an "average consumer":
- listen to movies using the speakers on your TV
- bought a Home Theater in a Box speaker system
- don't know what the different versions of HDMI mean (or weren't aware of versions at all)

I hate making such generalizations, mostly because it's not for me to make... and hopefully I haven't offended anyone, but I think that effectively weeds out the Geek Squad members among us. I'll explain the criteria: the speakers on the TV don't give you surround sound, duh; unless you spent $1500+ on a HTiB, I'm not sure that the speakers will yield a noticeable difference between lossy and lossless audio soundtracks; while all versions of HDMI can carry 8 channels of PCM data, only version 1.3 can carry encoded bitstreams for DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD.

Again, there is only a small group of people for whom the PS3 is insufficient. I gotta go right now, but if you want to know, just ask.

Best,
Ben

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..."Upconversion" and "upscaling"
by mango2404 / October 14, 2007 2:37 AM PDT
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[quote..."Upconversion" and "upscaling" are often used interchangeably...]

Just a note to be careful here: Some might indeed use "Upconversion" and "Upscaling" interchangeably, BUT in doing so it can be inaccurate and can lead to a few disapointed purchases as some companies do infact make a distinction between the two.

"Upconversion" is the conversion of a signal from one source format to another e.g. from S-video to Component, or Component to HDMI.

"Upscaling" is the process as described by Ben e.g. from 1080i to 1080p

For instance the AV receiver SONY STRD910 will "upconvert" a signal that is input via component and allow this to output via HDMI, but it will not "upscale" the video source from 1080i to 1980p.

Upconversion is obviously easier to do and is useful in that it allows you to plug a variey of idfferent devices (DVD, Satellite, xbox etc) into the receiver and have a single HDMI cable going into the TV. Upscaling generally requires more specialist hardware/software - something like a Faroudja chip to de-interlace and then scale the signal.

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huh?
by lilsim89 / February 17, 2008 5:31 AM PST

I see your point, but you can't\don't upscale 1080i to 1080p, you only deinterlace it. Using a buffer, it combines the interlaced image to create a picture that is very close to the quality of a real 1080p signal.

Upconversion doesn't have to mean changing the signal over a different cable, though it may. You can upconvert a component signal from 480p to 1080i by interpolating 'new' information. That's what most people mean when they say 'upconverting'.

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Yes
by yuyiboy / February 17, 2008 6:51 AM PST
In reply to: huh?

I agree with your point;
that is why you only need a firmware update, To de-interlace the signal (but never true 1080p)
you can use your (newer) AV receiver to up-convert since the PS3 doesn't have a million ports and connections.... Could add a little port multiplier to the back.

The great thing is that the PS3 uses it's proprietary software to transfer and buffer the info in the games to improve speed in certain areas of the game when more definition is needed and when it is not.
And it does this on the fly!!

the dvds look great now and will look better when firmware is put out to improve it.
But just remember guys.....to the human eye there is not much change between 1080i and 1080p.
It's like buying a camera with 10 megapixels when the human eye sees only 4. Mega pixels are only good to blow-up a pic to giant sizes. (that's another topic for another day)
your TV is the chalkboard......... If it's too small, doesn't matter how much info you write on it, it just wont fit.
Make sure your TV keeps up with the great things you are throwing at it 8-)

yuyiboy

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No downside at all
by yuyiboy / February 17, 2008 5:03 AM PST

The playstation 3 does not up-convert regular dvd to 1080i or 1080p but the processor it uses along with the video processors that it uses for the games, removes any artifacts or blockiness and fuss and cleans-up the image creating something that is amazing......I was impressed to say the least.
I even venture to say, that it looks close to 1080i.

Remember.......Playstation has the BEST firmware of anything out there. it is even upgradeable to play the new format for new Blue-ray disks 2.0 or something like that....that allows you to among other things watch a movie with different angles on picture-in-picture at the same time!!! cool

So since the firmware is so fantastic, all it needs to up-convert is a new firmware download from sony.
I'm sure they are already dealing with that (no need to buy a new system ever) unlike a stand along player.
Anything that comes down the pipe in the future, PS3 can just get another sofware update.
PS3 is future proof!!

sorry to ramble just wanted to get my point out there. Thanks

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by ..ben / September 17, 2007 1:39 AM PDT

Only pay for what you use. If you can hold out, BD player prices will drop. Why pay $500 when you can spend less (down the road).

That said, I have a PS3. It's exactly what I hoped it would be. Compared to other BD Players, CNET agrees that it is a worthwhile player. And Sony has been reasonably responsive about addressing issues.

The other thing is that the PS3 will/has evolve(d) over time; it's not like consoles of yesteryear that have the same features whether you buy it the first day it comes out or the last. It's unlikely that you would not be able to find uses for it other than watching BDs, unless you simply never bother to try.

By the way, your Caps Lock is on.

Best,
Ben

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PS-3 + SONY 70" WILL BLOW YOU AWAY
by stewart norrie / September 17, 2007 5:23 AM PDT
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I bought one of the first stand alone Sony Blue ray players $930 with discount ha ha. hooked it up to my 73" Toshiba d.l.p. set and talk about a true movie theater experience. The PS-3 is going to give you the samke awsome picture and sound I ran h.d.m.i. straight to the t.v and audio straight to the t.v. one adjustment I had to make was the output setting on the player you have the option of 480 all the way to 1080P set that option to auto In closing you can now rent blue ray movies from blockbustor and hollywood vidio I also found out that some of the first blue ray movies that were releaset have picture quality problems. You also made a good choice in buying a huge screen size t.v. they give you a real movie theater experience good luck stewee

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bob
by jostenmeat / September 18, 2007 2:04 AM PDT

I have also heard of PS3's excellent upscaling ability. Though, only bothersome to particular owners, some have complained of 1. noise and 2. blu-tooth only remote. (can't program into universal). However, there indeed seems to be some creative workaround, you will have to search the internet.

What people love: is upgradability. The Cell processor is supposedly one seriously powerful thing.

What I Pesonally wish it did have right Now: either decoding abilities for new formats, or multi-channel analog outputs.

anyone know if firmware has allowed PS3 to output 24fps? any timeline for decoding abilities, to then send as pcm via hdmi? cheers.

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by ..ben / September 18, 2007 2:18 AM PDT
In reply to: bob

The PS3 can do 1080p/24Hz now.

I'm not sure it will ever decode; I think it'll send bitstream HD audio via HDMI, hence the necessity for 1.3 compliance.

B

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Blue Ray or Play Station 3
by lmathews / September 19, 2007 4:52 PM PDT

I guess it all depends on what you really want to do. If you want to play games and watch BR movies with a hard disk to store your games & movies then I guess PS3 is your bet. Personally I would wait until they come out with a multiformat (BR/HDD) player/recorder with hard disk. If you run all you home theater, gaming devices and multimedia PC through a newer AV Receiver with has the capability to upscale regular DVDs to 1080p then you dont have to worry about PS3s inabilty to upscale (if at all)

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Keep the kids away from the big TV
by dkreview / September 19, 2007 6:26 PM PDT

I will wait until the dual BR/ HDD machines become available for home theatre. If I connect a PS3 to the big screen, I will never get near it again! The boys will have to make do with a 26" screen for all the car races & general mayhem. Another 6 months & I should be able to get both machines for the current price of one.

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audio
by spear_a_lobster-216516697 / September 20, 2007 9:55 AM PDT

the main difference is that the ps3 does not have support for the most advance audio. also, the load time might be a little slower. if you want ur sound 2 be perfect and wont play games much, then i suggest u get a standalone player. otherwise, go for the ps3.

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by ..ben / September 21, 2007 2:56 AM PDT
In reply to: audio

Please clarify "the most advanced audio". And last time I checked, load times were quicker than stand-alone players.

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audio and load times
by spear_a_lobster-216516697 / September 21, 2007 9:26 AM PDT
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the ps3 does not have an analog audio output so it does not support 7.1 and some other audio codeces. as for the load times, a lot of the more current players can load faster than the ps3.

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HOW MUCH FASTER, REALLY............
by Riverledge / September 21, 2007 9:43 AM PDT
In reply to: audio and load times

IS IT 2 VS 3 MINUTES, or 5 VS 10 MINUTES.
TRUTH IS THAT THE TIME difference is barely noticible.

Get your best deal.

Riverledge.

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