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Bloomberg endorses Obama over climate change?

by Steven Haninger / November 2, 2012 6:10 AM PDT
Superstorm Sandy Drives Bloomberg to Endorse Obama

So the mayor thinks Obama can do something to prevent weather related disasters? He didn't stop Sandy. A Romney supporter could claim that Obama's carbon war caused the storm's left turn when it would have otherwise turned out to see. That statement would have been as looney as any claim that Obama could stop it from happening again. Where do these people come from? Happy
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Where do these people come from?
by JP Bill / November 2, 2012 6:13 AM PDT

Adam and Eve?

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I do not believe
by James Denison / November 2, 2012 8:48 AM PDT

they are still procreating.

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(NT) bet you can find living adam and eve on the net.
by Roger NC / November 2, 2012 8:52 AM PDT
In reply to: I do not believe
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Did I say they were?
by JP Bill / November 2, 2012 12:14 PM PDT
In reply to: I do not believe

You came from your parents (is that a safe assumption?)...are they still procreating?

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do vs did
by James Denison / November 2, 2012 8:52 PM PDT
In reply to: Did I say they were?

Is English not your first language?

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(NT) You can't make this stuff up! :)
by lylesg / November 2, 2012 10:11 AM PDT
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"Where do these people come from?"
by James Denison / November 2, 2012 8:54 PM PDT
"Where do these people come from?"

Seemingly, they come from New York City. Wink
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Obama supports efforts to stem global warming
by Josh K / November 2, 2012 11:11 PM PDT

Obama also accepts the science, as any reasonable person would. Would that have stopped Sandy? No. Will it stop the next one? No. Could it help people a generation or two away? Yes.

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And could science also hurt the next generations?
by Steven Haninger / November 2, 2012 11:21 PM PDT


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(NT) Ignoring or dismissing it certainly could
by Josh K / November 2, 2012 11:23 PM PDT
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Good or bad science...there's a difference
by Steven Haninger / November 2, 2012 11:55 PM PDT

and history tells us we don't often get it right on the first try.

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IF you don't make the first try
by JP Bill / November 3, 2012 1:11 AM PDT

You certainly won't be successful on the second?

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(NT) Could be true...if you even get a chance at a second try.
by Steven Haninger / November 3, 2012 1:21 AM PDT
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So I guess we just stay in bed and don't get up
by JP Bill / November 3, 2012 1:38 AM PDT

in case something MIGHT happen.

You have your computer in bed with you now?

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when we get up from bed
by James Denison / November 3, 2012 3:19 AM PDT

there's plenty of other more important things in life to deal with on a daily basis than some "chicken little" sky gazing prognostications.

Matthew 6:34 "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

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I was thinking more of
by JP Bill / November 3, 2012 3:58 AM PDT

Steven 11:3 Could be true...if you even get a chance at a second try. (Chicken little.?)

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(NT) Maybe the effort of trying to survive is what's killing us.
by Steven Haninger / November 3, 2012 4:30 AM PDT
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(NT) 'Sup Debbie Downer?
by JP Bill / November 3, 2012 4:36 AM PDT
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which is your way of saying
by James Denison / November 3, 2012 3:13 AM PDT

there's no way to convince you otherwise till you are long gone from this world.

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(NT) He endoses Obama's reaction to the disaster.
by Diana Forum moderator / November 3, 2012 3:21 AM PDT
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by Steven Haninger / November 3, 2012 3:35 AM PDT

Mandating higher fuel economy standards for automobiles is one step toward ending hurricanes. We need to support candidates who will keep bad weather under better control. Fear not. Obama will do that. Volcanoes and earthquakes will be tackled next. They, too, are caused by man. He'll spare no expense in eliminating their threat. There's no limit to his power over evil forces on the planet that want to kill us.

Sounds like a Hollywood script. Obama likes Hollywood. Happy

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A couple of days ago...
by J. Vega / November 3, 2012 1:18 PM PDT
In reply to: Ah...yes
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by JP Bill / November 3, 2012 2:29 PM PDT
No, Global Warming Hasn't 'Stopped'

So what's the story? It should first of all be pointed out that, contrary to the headline's claims, the Met Office didn't "quietly release" any report - it simply updated its ongoing temperature data set. It should also be pointed out that a scientist whom Rose quoted as saying that the news showed climate models are 'deeply flawed' in fact insists she said no such thing.

The key point here is in the arbitrary starting point. Climate scientists note that while the underlying long-term trend is unmistakable, it can be masked by short-term natural variations. And 1998 was an exceptionally hot year as a result of a very strong El Nino that created a lot of atmospheric warming. (In fact, it currently occupies the bronze medal position, behind 2005 and the race-leading 2010.) Move the starting point to 1999, and the picture changes considerably.

'Pause' discussion thread

David Rose has published a provocative article in the Daily Mail entitled Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released . . . and here is the chart to prove it. The two main people that were interviewed were myself and Phil Jones. Here is the meat of the article in terms of my and Phil Jones' statements:

Overall, I would say that this is a very good article; I think the exchange between me and Jones, mediated by Rose, is an important one. However, I am not happy with this statement in the early part of the article:

Some climate scientists, such as Professor Phil Jones, director of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, last week dismissed the significance of the plateau, saying that 15 or 16 years is too short a period from which to draw conclusions.

Others disagreed. Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America's prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were 'deeply flawed'.

I have no idea where the 'deeply flawed' came from, I did not use these words in any context that Rose should be quoted (perhaps I used them somewhere on my blog?) Also, I agree that 16 years is too short, given the timescales of the PDO and AMO, to separate out natural versus anthropogenic variability (but this cuts both ways: the warming period between 1980 and 1998 was arguably amped by the PDO and AMO).
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