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And just to prove that Oil Companies are careful with the

by Ziks511 / January 3, 2013 12:39 PM PST

environment: Shell Oil runs floating Rig ashore in Alaska.


Apparently it was being moved in rough weather and the tow-line snapped. Like they couldn't afford redundancy or safety.

Oil tankers only became double hulled after it had cost Oil Companies and shippers a great deal of money. Maybe it's time to ensure that careless operation like this resulted in penalties to the Companies involved.

And before somebody screams Too Much Regulation, it costs much more to clean up the messes (even assuming that BP has succeeded in cleaning up all the disaster in the Gulf, which I don't) than it does to ensure safety and to avoid obvious mistakes. You'd think they'd have learned with the Exxon Valdes, but apparently business doesn't learn unless it costs them a serious amount of money. That's why I thought the penalty paid by BP, the equivalent of 4 months profit from the year in which it happened after having paid for the clean up and compensation for the communities and shores affected, was too little. 4.5 Billion is chump change for a multi-national.

I notice that the drilling company who operated the BP rig were assessed 1.5 Billion this week in fines. I'd have preferred triple both amounts and a serious effort to ensure safety in the movement and operation of off-shore rigs. That's not punitive, it's merely prudent to ensure less stupidity in Corporate boardrooms and Management.


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Less fuel than a cruise ship carries
by James Denison / January 3, 2013 2:40 PM PST

and seems it's all intact too. What was the point of this?

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"Maybe it's time to ensure that careless operation like this
by Ziks511 / January 3, 2013 7:19 PM PST

resulted in penalties to the Companies involved." The only way business changes the slap-dash, do it on the cheap, quick and dirty way it works is if there are penalties for screwing up. Painful penalties.


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You mean like the tugboat
by TONI H / January 3, 2013 10:01 PM PST

company that Shell hired to move the rig? Somehow, I get the impression that you prefer to hit the oil company hard instead of the independent towing company.......now why is that?

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(NT) Definitely the tug boats as well.
by Diana Forum moderator / January 8, 2013 5:56 AM PST
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Sure we can't stop natural seepage
by Roger NC / January 8, 2013 8:38 AM PST
In reply to: Penalize this

But why argue that since we can't stop half the oil in the ocean from getting there there is use in worrying about how much we dump.

Indeed, if we can't stop 50% of the current contamination, shouldn't we try even harder to control what we can?

However, there has to be some rational limits to safety rules, unless you want to reduce spills by doing away with oil completely. And no one with a brain thinks we can do that.

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This is microbe food source
by James Denison / January 8, 2013 1:31 PM PST

who can really call it pollution?

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Do you leave microbe food sources on your kitchen floor?
by JP Bill / January 8, 2013 7:06 PM PST

or does someone clean them up?

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I sweep them up
by James Denison / January 8, 2013 9:03 PM PST

for the outside microbes. Laugh

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But what about the poor inside microbes?
by JP Bill / January 8, 2013 9:22 PM PST
In reply to: I sweep them up

HOW will THEY survive?

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So you think tankers should be required
by Roger NC / January 8, 2013 8:07 PM PST

to drip oil into the ocean as they travel.

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silly question
by James Denison / January 8, 2013 9:01 PM PST

do you feed every stray that comes along?

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