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4G does not exist!

by arrowdrive / February 11, 2013 10:58 AM PST

I'm sick and tired of all these mobile carriers and tech sites referring LTE and HSPA+ as 4G! 4G does not exist yet.
4G requires speeds of more than 100mbps which LTE-Advanced will bring. This link may help to explain.

What do you think?

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It's like the other "True Questions."
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / February 11, 2013 11:07 AM PST
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Is Linux a "True UNIX"? (no.)

There is no true 4G. What's new here? There are higher speed cellular solutions and many are out but if you want to ask the 4G question, then start with asking who defines "4G".

That would be you in this case.

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You apparently missed the memo
by Pepe7 / February 11, 2013 12:46 PM PST
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What is that complaint- two years old by now? Besides that, what precisely would you plan on doing if there actually were 100mbps mobile data connections?

Hint: the currently 'faux' G offerings works just fine.

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4G does not exist
by tinamishra / February 11, 2013 3:05 PM PST
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Hardly a day passes where you do not read something about the upcoming 4G mobile network, that many claim that mobile operators will be launching in the coming years. The fact is that there is no 4G standard and that 4G is a phrase that has been invented by journalists and others that are having difficulty explaining the difference between UMTS and LTE.

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Re: 4G does not exist
by Kees_B Forum moderator / February 11, 2013 4:11 PM PST
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There might be no standard called 4G, but it surely exists. How else could the biggest Dutch provider roll it out at the moment. You can use it in Amsterdam right now.

Sorry, it's a Dutch site, please use Google translate if you don't believe me.


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I'm sorry, but you need to be more careful..
by Pepe7 / February 11, 2013 11:39 PM PST
In reply to: Re: 4G does not exist your assertions. There's no *true* 4G (a la LTE-A) on the market yet which meets the full specs. That Dutch provider (KPN) is still on par with advertised max speeds of LTE here in the U.S. on Verizon & ATT's networks. They can certainly market it as being 4G though.

You don't even need Google translate to see the LTE speeds that carrier advertises. It's 50/25. Look here:


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Re: 4G
by Kees_B Forum moderator / February 12, 2013 4:30 AM PST

From the ITU (

"As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as "4G", although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."

So it's 4G officially, although not the most advanced version.
However, people like the OP who seem to prefer to use 3G until IMT-A is offered where they live (because they don't approve that marketing people call something else "4G"), should certainly do so!


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by Pepe7 / February 12, 2013 5:48 AM PST
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It's a revision the ITU made based on the industry marketing preferences of late, not a pure definition of what truly constitutes 4G by their previously defined technical standards. They are letting it slide, basically. More to read on the matter here-

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The term 4G...
by birdmantd Forum moderator / February 11, 2013 8:45 PM PST
In reply to: 4G does not exist! more of a marketing gimmick then anything else. Don't try to read more into it.

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