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1997 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE LIMITED STALLING AND DYING PROBLEM,

by anderson9700 / August 30, 2011 8:43 AM PDT

My wife and I have owned this Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited, straight 6,
4x4, since it had 95k on it. It was a single owner vehicle and well
maintained.

We've maintained it perfectly and always ensure that it is
in for its fluid changes early. Nearly 6 years later, it now has
approximately 144k on it.


About a year and a half ago it began cutting out now and then. It would
just die. However, you could restart it without fail. Then it began to
die while coming to a stop. Then it began to die at idle. Then it began
to die while driving on the freeway and highway at much higher speeds.

That's the progression.

We've read numerous forums and the like and have
notated the information we found therein. I recall reading a few posts
made by members of these forums stating that they had spent every dime
they had over a 6 month period trying to fix it, now they are broke and
without transportation because it won't start, they can't afford to fix
it, the mechanic is clueless, and we thought, ... well, (cough, cough),
we won't be one of those guys. Ha.


We have replaced all of the typical causes for such behavior and a few other things, to no avail.

Here's a list of what we have replaced and done thus far:


Compression & Leakage Test (three times): Passed with perfect mesurement.
Spark plugs
wires
distributor cap
rotor
pick up coil
coil
power
steering pump
both O2 sensors (front and back)
timing sensor (on the block)
crank
shaft position sensor
fuel pump (complete assembly with the filter
included)
two hoses top-side of the engine block
PVC valves on top of
the engine
the MAP/MAFS sensor
throttle position sensor
idle control
module
hand cleaned what little carbon build up was in the Throttle Body.
checked all hoses for leaks numerous times
replaced the coolant
temperature sensor
replaced the battery
replaced the battery cables
checked all connections numerous times
checked for the correct readings
on all sensors and they all check out.
PCM
BCM

Now, some of that, our mechanic has done. Never-the-less, here we are. And still with NO CHECK ENGINE LIGHT.

He's said that he's thoroughly checked the harness to the PCM and
verified everything is properly grounded. He doesn't believe that it has
anything to do with the connections or the wiring. He said that there
are only two things left. The PCM and the BCM. Both are on-board
computers.

We've spent all of our savings and current cash flow on this vehicle at this point. Its been
down for over a week. We haven't even paid our bills at this point. I'm self employed and when I'm not driving, I'm
not making money.

This is a critical moment in my life as I don't have
enough money to purchase another vehicle right now.

Chrysler took a look at it once and said that they didn't see anything
wrong. I haven't taken it back as that was a fruitless effort and pricy.

My wife ran into a Chrysler mechanic of thirty years the other day and
he said that we ought to check the valve springs.

However, that didn't
seem right to me because it would seem like you would hear it rattle.
When I forwarded that information to our mechanic, he assured me that if
it were the valve springs, that it would be a noticeable noise. There is
no such noise.

Sometimes it just dies, sometimes it'll sound like its choking a bit
while it dies or while it comes close to dying. Sometimes it dies at
idle, sometimes while driving slow, sometimes at high rates of speed,
sometimes while stopping.

There does not appear to be any consistency
with it. It does not make any unusual sounds. When it originally began,
it was just hard to start a couple of times and then for the first few
months, seemed to only want to die when coming to a stop. Now it can be
hard or very hard to start, and it will die unexpectedly with no check
engine light or other signs of problems.

There is one exception to the engine light. On two occassions while
driving at 50+ mph and climbing in elevation (long hills like going into
the mountains), it would choke a bit, and then give a check engine
light. However, it never died. When I connected the OBD 2 sensor to it,
it read: CYLINDER 2 MISFIRE DETECTED.

So, my question to anybody who is a mechanic, anybody that works for
Chrysler, anybody who has ever owned a Jeep and experienced a similar
issue.

Do you have any idea what the cause could be and the best way, at this point, to resolve the issue and/or where to go from here?

Is it likely to be the Catalytic Converter?

ADDITIONALLY:
MECHANIC: JUST TODAY - Replaced the crankshaft position sensor .... again. No avail. Same thing. Runs for awhile and then dies.

Everything is as it should be according to the diagnostics and computer readings. I've talked to a few shops and they are all clueless.

Mechanic also advised that he's talked to other mechanics he knows, a couple of specialist, a former Chrysler Technician, and some other shop owners in California that he knows, and they are all clueless at this point. He said that he thought whatever it is that's causing the problem is most likely something small because it doesn't have any issues with the engine and most all other parts have been replaced now. ~ Doesn't make me feel better.

Recommended that I bring it to the dealership for further review.

I'm stuck and cannot afford to go to the dealership. PLEASE HELP!

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by anderson9700 / August 30, 2011 9:50 AM PDT
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In the same problem

I have done everything that you have mentioned you all have done. After a year and a half and 1,000's of dollars of rental cars and work on the jeep I am no better off today than I was. I just brought it home yet again. It ran fine getting home from the repair shop but as I sat idling in the driveway it died. I was able to re-start it but.........I have had it since December 2010 and bought it from the original owner minus 6 months. They had given it to their son in law in the previous 6 months and he installed a AM/FM CD player. Also a non-factory alarm system. Now, I have heard through jeepforum.com that these two things can wreak havoc with the wiring. So on its last (and I MEAN last) trip to auto repair I called them and told them to disconnect the radio and uninstall the alarm. Apparently it did not matter because as I said, I was idling in the driveway and it died. The only thing left is the fuel filter/fuel pump however when I am cranking it to get it started there is no smell of gas at all. This morning I wrote an email though the Jeep site and also to our local Jeep dealer here in College Station, TX. I too am broke, miss work (I am a travel nurse), should own stock in Hertz Rental cars and baffled. If you find out anything, please let me know and I will do the same.

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try this...
by willterl1 / November 15, 2013 3:42 AM PST

the CKP or crank shaft position sensors are problems --I have the same vehicle and when replace the crankshaft position sensor, the cam shaft position sensor should be replaced...it seems that they get build up on them that makes them go out....and only replacing one doesn't do the trick...also, just because they are new parts doesn't mean they are good...I replaced both and now runs fine...you can save money by going on alldata.com and put year, make model, and engine size ..you can look up parts and diagrams. the parts has the suggested manufactures # OEM provided for you and the diagram shows where it is at on engine.....pictures...makes easy to find....it also tells you what tools required to remove and replace that specific part....it has saved me lots of money.. I am a girl and rebuilt a mustang years ago for my son, learned a lot, however did it with manual and a lot of guys suggestions. when I fund alldata.com years later it was a god send!!! cant say this will help you, but if you still have it. try replacing both and see what happens. I now work at a shop, and every time we replace the crankshaft sensor we replace the cam sensor to. take care hope it does the trick for you... the only other issues the 97 has is the abs & cab -it is actually the best year for minimal problems.. you have a great year, just I think the mechanics missed something simple...but even though you replaced the crank shaft position sensor replace it and the cam shaft sensor at same time. I would like to find out if it worked for you--can e-mail me at towbwby47@yahoo.com.

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