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This technology could drastically cut your bathroom wait times, real estate archaeology reveals video game secrets, and why kids today are born mentally equipped to use gadgets.
It's Tuesday, July 1st, 2014, I'm Ariel Nunez, and from our CBS Studios in New York City, welcome to The 404. [MUSIC] Hey, what's up every one? Welcome to the 404 Show, I'm Jeff Bakalar. And I'm Justin Yu. Hope you're having a great day, oh, today's soccer again. Yeah. That's good. We've gone five hours without soccer, I can't believe it. And that's a long time, in the U.S. playing Belgium. Oh, this is the one, this is the last one for us. This is the day, no, if they loose they are done. [CROSSTALK] Yes. They win, they move on. Right. Okay. And, they gotta kick the ball into the net. Oh, is that how? I don't know what you were thinking, you were thinking something else. I don't know where you got that [LAUGH] but, the object is ball in net. Right. 'Kay. Everyone watching out there unfamiliar with the sport of soccer. We've got a great show planned for you today. I was, I was I was talking to Peter Hau this morning, and he goes, he's like yo man, I was, it was like I bought this, the new swatch watch. I was like, what are you talking about. Mm-hm. Apparently, swatch came out with this watch called System 51, that has taken the rest of the world by storm, and they, they just started selling it today at the Time Square Swatch store location. Uh-huh. He said people were there before 6:00 A.M.. Crazy. Lining up to buy this $150 watch, check it out. It comes in like five or so colors, it's called Sistem 51, S-I-S-T-E-M 51. And it's a self-winding automatic watch for $150. Which, is kinda cheap when you think about it. Mm-hm. Most automatic watches, are many more hundreds of dollars. And the cool thing about this watch, is that it, it basically is this engineering marvel, right? It's 51 pieces, all tied together with like one ****. A single ****? Yeah, that's what Peter was telling me, a single **** ties it all together. And you can kinda see it in this weird little animation they got here. Mm-hm. It's pretty sick. Yeah, it's really cool. And, you can see on the back too, when you flip the watch over, you can see all the different parts, just 51 of them, and it's put together all by a single ****. I think this is really cool cuz, I mean, watches. So hot right now, right? So hot right now. Everyone's all about their smart watches, and what can your watch do? But, no one really talks about how a watch is built. Yeah. Sort of going back to the drawing board with this. Absolutely, and no one like, stops for a second and says, hey that smart watch you just got, have fun charging it every night. Right, or is it going to be around in five years, which is not that long. For sure, this watch, Swatch claims will really last forever, no maintenance required. It's got a 90 hour power reserve, which I interpret to mean, like, once it's reached it's maximum, you know, automatic movement, like charging winding, it'll give you 90 hours. Yeah. So you can take that watch off for like three and a half days, and still have a working watch. Like that's amazing. Yeah. Quick for, like I have an automatic watch, mine will only go like 36 to 40 hours without winding it. That's unbelievable. What an, what an achievement? I really believe them when they say that, watch can last forever, too. Definitely. You have one. Yeah. I wear a bunch of these watches. I collect watches from, like, the 80's and 90's, but the earliest one I have is from '82 and it works just fine. So, that's just a regular watch, from back in the day. Right. Bet this one really will last forever. The thing I love about Swatches is their customer service theory. Do you own this watch? I don't, should I? I think you should. Should I buy this one. You should buy this one or any of those. You know what it's great about it is, whenever you are around this watch stores, if you have one, you can you in, and they'll do a free buffing to get all the scratches out of your screen. I'm gonna give you a little buff. Yeah, yeah or if something breaks on the watch like, say, your strap breaks or a **** comes loose, they'll replace it for you for free. They're like the Zippo of watches. It's awesome. Yeah, it feels like a pit crew while you're in there cuz you go in, you give them the watch, and they kinda like take apart the screws give it back to you in like two seconds and you're out. I'm into it, I'm very picky about watches. I need, like, numbers on the face. That's something that my childish little mind [CROSSTALK] That might be over-designed, here. Yeah. I mean, [CROSSTALK]. No, no numbers. There's no numbers, but most watches like, your watch doesn't have numbers, does it? Yeah. [CROSSTALK] Oh. It does? Yeah. That's pretty, But, not like, I'm just picky with, with wrist watches, you know? What are all the other dots on the face of the thing? See, I'm not sure, you know? It's kinda like a, you know, interesting design. They've got, I, I really don't know what they're going for with the watch face. Oh, it's a, okay, I just looked it up. Is it like, celestial or. Something like that, exactly. Or constellationy. Yeah. It says the dials are meant to recall the Copernican revolution- Oh. To which Swatch compares this revolution of watch-making. Yeah, that's. Maybe lower those lofty ambitions with what you're accomplishing with what is nothing more than just a wristwatch. [LAUGH] I mean it's an engineering marvel for sure. It looks good. But it's not gonna change the world. Perhaps it will. Maybe it will change your world. 150 bucks, that's not a bad deal. That's not a bad deal but yeah. And this looks better than any of the smart watches I've seen. I guess Definitely You shouldn't be comparing like that. It's sexy, it's a sexy cute little watch. That's cool Sexy, cute can you call something sexy, cute? I don't think you're supposed to do that. Next time Peter Hau's in here I wanna see that thing on his wrist. Yeah, he said he got the black on black one. It's the only one with the leather wristband Sick. Leather band. So anyway, that's a little watch geek out for the day. Yeah. Not a lot of people know that we're such big watch geeks. We're huge watch geeks. And I am like, it pisses me off how particular I am. Are you? It took me forever to find the one I'm wearing. You don't really get that too often now. Most people can't be bothered to have something on their wrist all the time. Yeah, I guess. But you and I are different. Yeah, well we'll talk about like, younger generations, later on the run down. What do we got? The run down is super random today, none of the stories have anything to do with each other, so you pick, grab bag, which one do you want to start with first? I want to start with the pre schooler one. no, no, that one's not like the least. He's like,. He goes, he goes pick whatever you want. Yeah, whichever one you. Except that one though. Not that one. [CROSSTALK] It's the worst magician trick. Well, well then, you know, it's your world, I'm just living in it. Why don't you Pick another one. Alright, what about the, the Japanese arcade? Yeah. I like this one, alright, alright, this one's good. I feel like I'm on Jeopardy. Got my seal of approval. Okay. This is the dream really, and you're really gonna like this, I think. It's a story about. One of the best archeologist real estate finds, that I've ever seen on the internet. It's cool, so the story, sort of unfolded. I read about it this arcade forum online. It's carl, it's called on arcade otaku. What are you hanging out on arcade forums? I'm all over the internet, man. I've got my seeds planted. So when you get home, planned everywhere on the web. Right. That I don't, doubt. So when you get home, it's just like straight to the computer for you? [LAUGH] Why be at home? We have these things in our pocket that let us go on the internet all the time. I'm just, I wanna see you in your natural habitat. I'm on the internet at home, right now. [LAUGH] You can't see what I'm doing, but it's gathering articles for me to read after the show is over. Oh, okay. Im a machine man, I have tentacles all over the place. You have a very interesting and potentially sad life. Some how I manage to fit some other stuff in there too Yeah I guess so. Anyway so I was trolling the arcade Otaku forum online, and there was this poster that put up a threat about his grandma recently invested in a huge building in Chiba which is in Japan. Not too far away from Tokyo I believe. And you know she purchased it without actually looking inside, she thought it was an abandoned building. And, once she bought it, she took a tour of the place. And, when she opened the door, she walked downstairs and found two floors, two floors that was basically an arcade. Oh, wow! Essentially it, like. It looked like walking into a time machine and, and. If you click on the imagr link, That I put in the rundown, you'll see a huge slide show of what exactly his grandma found. Wow! So, all in all what we're looking at here are pictures of about 50 arcade cabinets. And they're sort of the Japanese style, where they look like TV consoles. How would you describe these? They're not like your typical arcade. Yeah the Japanese cabinet's don't resemble the wooden old. School ones that we had in the US. That they're they didn't like, stand up as high. Yeah. You, a lot of them you sat down at. Right. Yeah, exactly. Which, I can only mean people are spending way too much time here logging hours. Or it's just like Japanese people are super short. Yeah. And [CROSSTALK] Is the only thing. that's the only thing you take away. Its crazy when you look at like the motherboard on these things. Yeah. You know, its weird, like my buddy bought an old school Pac-Man cabinet from like 81. [INAUDIBLE] No, no, no. It was like a regular wooden stand up cabinet. Pried off the coin return mechanism because it needs work. And Im looking at this board and its basically the size of this thing on the screen here. Yeah. Massive, massive. Like the size of like, a vinyl record. Right. and hes just like do you know anyone that can fix it, and im just like dude, first of all why, dont do that. Like, keep the cabinet but just buy like a raspberry pie and hook that up into the screen because that's going to be able to run Pac-Man, and youre not going to need like. You know, all this repair on this old school motherboard that maybe four people in America can repair. Right, I guess if you're a purist, then you want the original design [CROSSTALK] **** purity, I mean, come on. You want it to work. You want practicality. So all in all, there are about 50 cabinets from Sega, Namco and Astro City, which is. One of the big manufactures. All original game boards like the ones your seeing there. for Street Fighter two, Metal slug, Donkey Kong. Wow. Tetris, Galaxian, Ring two and a game called columns. That- Columns, yeah. I Never heard of that before. Yeah columns is like Tetris. What is. It's like a color matching Tetris sort of game. Oh, okay. Alright. So, I'm pretty sure, I think it was on Genesis in America. Yeah. So, 50 of them in all. He put out a post on Reddit and on on that otaku forum. [CROSSTALK] He's telling them off. Yeah, I mean. It's to much for one person to play. Not only that, though. I would be shocked to learn that more than 20% of them are in working order. Yeah they didn't have dust covers or anything on them. And he suspect that may be 20 years old, or something like that. These look like a mess. Yeah who knows. I mean he could probably parted out. His grandma wanted to just throw them away before he shot himself. No grandma don't throw them away. Yeah right. How many times have grandmothers and mothers thrown valuable geek stuff away. Yeah. All my comics. Like how many times has your dad or your uncle or your whoever it is. Told you a story, I had a Mickey Mantle rookie card. Yeah. It's worth $78,000. My grandma threw it away. None of my stuff was worth any money, I think on the market but it has nostalgic value, For sure. At least run stuff by you before tossing it. I fell like that craps really not worth anything now. Like, I'm sure. Babe Ruth, or I, I don't know if they had cards, but like, like I said, the Mickey Mantle rookie card, that Yeah. That, you know, that sought after, you know, card. There's none of that anymore, thought. Yeah. Like now, you know, the, the, it's just there's nothing rare anymore. Cuz nothing is physical, [LAUGH] it's all Well, yeah, but On the Internet. You know, yeah, but even like. Hell when we were in Comic-CON a couple years ago, we had that Walking Dead 100 Yeah. What the guy give you like, 60 bucks for it? Yeah. I got it for free right after we went. I wonder how much that's going for now. I think they went up a little bit. If they go according to popularity of the TV show. Value's probably going down a lot. I guess, I dont know. Its all about exclusivity, and rarity. Yeah, I feel like now that a lot of the stuff can be viewed online, like in PDF form, Yeah, it loses itself. Yeah no one cares anymore, Yeah. so you can just,. Let's find it on the internet. I guess so. That's kind of a shame. I want to know like the most valuable piece of junk you have is. Me personally? Well like anyone listening. Oh. Oh, I don't know. I feel like I might have one like hockey card that's pretty valuable. I think the stuff that looks really crappy but then it is actually worth a lot of money. I want to know what people have. Yeah, that's usually the case. Cult items. Yeah. For sure, for sure. Wow, this dude took a lot of photos. Yeah check out all that stuff, I mean its literally two floors worth of arcade cabinets. Oh heres Metal Slug, that's awesome. Another detail that's kind of strange is the building was actually four stories. Tall. It's actually four stories tall. First and second floors are all the gaming cabinets you see there. The fifth floor is a chinese restaurant but the fourth floor is an old business called Soap Land. Wait chinese restaurant in Japan? In Japan. Yeah. Is that a thing? Yeah you can get all kinds of international food in different countries. But yeah, the bigger story is the fourth floor is an old Soapland and I was kinda readin' a story, I didn't know what Soapland was so I looked it up. Soapland was a series of Japanese sort of massage parlors- I see where you're going. That were really popular in the 80s and 90s. But instead of your typical massage, it was called Soapland because before you'd get it, they would put you in a bathtub. Mm-hm. And bathe you like a Samurai, like they would pour water over your head,. Yeah. and scrub you and stuff. And then I'm sure whatever extras you want you'd get after that. So there's a lot of history in this building. Interesting. Yeah. >. Yeah. If those walls could talk. [LAUGH] I mean after you're done playing some games you go upstairs have a little rub down and you're good. [LAUGH] Sounds like the greatest, it's like adult Disneyland in here. [LAUGH] We'll reopen it as its original building ever. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Alright, very good sir. Alright. Let's talk about, another story that's happening. Very relevant to the heat that we're experiencing right now in the summertime. So yesterday we were actually talking about this too. We were talking about waiting in line for porta-potties at outdoor events, and how miserable an experience that can be. Yeah. Right? That's kinda the number one reason I don't go to music festivals. Anymore. Yeah, anymore. Or movies at the park I guess. But technology in the bathroom isn't something that comes up very often on this show. Anymore, I feel like a. No I mean like Back in the early day when we could say what we want. Now its all about do you use your. Phone in the toilet. << Right, right. << Yes. << We know everybody does. << Everyone does, great. << Yeah, you know the other side of it is there just haven't been a lot of advancements in the field of bathroom technology, until now because the Hollywood Bowl in Los Angeles, they just installed a new system. We're looking at it right here. It's call tush lights. So the Hollywood Bowl you get a lot of sporting events and concerts that go on there. So you'd imagine a lot of people would be waiting in line for the bathroom. And by people I mean women. These tush lights are really cool because they basically cut down on wait times. the, you don't have to play the whole trial and error game. Yes. [CROSSTALK] concept. Do the old like bending, you know, un, see if, you see feet. Oh yeah, the old foot spotting trick. [CROSSTALK] hate that move. [LAUGH] You know. Or knocking. I never understood people that knock on the doors. I don't knock. Really? Do you knock? That, no, I don't knock, but that's happened to me before and I always just say come in. I'm just like, [LAUGH] come on in. [LAUGH] The best response. [LAUGH] Who is it? I baked a cake. Door's open. [LAUGH] But yeah. That's the best answer to have for that. Yeah, I always say that. Come on in. Come in. Who is it? Yeah. [LAUGH] What's the password? Don't forget to wipe your feet. Yeah. [LAUGH] I always do the foot spotting thing, which is always kind of weird. Yeah, awkward, but like. You know. Or just grab their foot. [LAUGH] Right, right. Is this a person? That's funny because or like, are almost done? Like airplanes, there's, there's the red light green light. Oh right, yeah. You know, why is this not trickled into public restrooms? Kind of a genius idea. So [UNKNOWN] is basically a system that puts, a series of lights above each door, in the stalls and. It's red for occupied, green for vacant. So you can see exactly which ones you can go in to. And brown, for maybe come back in 20 minutes. [LAUGH] Yeah. Yeah, this is definitely a cool thing. Cuz I feel like a lot of the lines, are because people aren't paying attention. Or because the door will close right away. And there's the level, of, big level of, like, awkwardness. Yeah. You know, there's, the etiquette in the bathroom is super, you know, strange, and no one really enjoys being in there. Yeah. This is just a simple, seemingly inexpensive step. Yeah, yeah truly. To make it all that much better. They were inspired by, something that I saw while I was in Singapore, which is parking structures. Yeah. That use the same deal. Yeah, another brilliant idea. Yeah, its. So genius. I mean, aside from putting the amount of vacant slots in the part of the parking structure, they also put the lights above each one so you can see. So smart. Really easy. So they got the idea from that and then eventually they wanna expand it so they can hook up an iPhone app. That way you could see while you're sitting down at the sporting event exactly which bathrooms have the most vacancies. It sounds crazy, but that's an important feature I need. It's pretty smart. Like, I need to nap out as soon as I sit down for a sporting event. Yeah. Before even, give my attention to the game. Right. In case of emergency, what's the nearest place I can do my business. You could harvest a lot of data. From this stuff. Yeah. Like, exactly how long? Is it useful data? Yeah. [LAUGH] Yeah? I would like to know how long it's been since the last person [CROSSTALK]. Oh. Alright. That I'm about to go to. Fair enough. Fair enough. Even that shirt-coat. [CROSSTALK] work on a warm toilet seat. Coming. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] You know what I mean? I hate doing that. Why? Why is that so bad? It's clean, it's clean. I don't like the reminder that somebody else was using this. Dude, and everyone's got the, you know. And for peace of mind you have the sheet. Hm? You know, the tear away sheet you put on top. Oh I don't use that. [LAUGH] I'm just kidding. I use that. What was I watching? Goddamnit. I was watching something the other day, on how that's just a complete. You know, sort of, piece of mind thing? And, there's no evidence to say that, that's a cleaner way. Well, you're not touching porcelain. Yeah, but it. It doesn't matter. You don't look that clean The germs are gonna. The germs are there. [CROSSTALK] Oh yeah. They're in the air. Just, like, when you walk into the bathroom. Just like when you flush that toilet. It's a freaking fireworks display of [INAUDIBLE] in your face. Yeah. Fecal matter. [LAUGH] Microscopic fecal matter. Right Right. So don't worry yourself with like making your little toilet paper nest Yeah. Like people do. You know people use that paper wrong, right? We've already spent way to long on the bathroom. Really? How do they use it wrong? They put it on their head? [LAUGH] You know how once you. Once you tear it off, theres theres that piece that kind of flops, like the tongue. Like the trunk, the elephants trunk. Yeah, whatever. The elephants trunk. Yeah. The technical term. That's supposed to be facing away from you. No way. Sort of like coming up at you. Do you know what I mean, how do how do I [LAUGH] put that into words? Is that suppose to be like a slide [CROSSTALK] down in front of you? Yeah, yeah, no, it's suppose to be a slide [CROSSTALK] in front of you. Yeah, yeah. It's not supposed to be like a tongue like coming up In the back yeah for sure, [UNKNOWN] were using it right? Oh okay good. Actually, you know what, when were done here you show me. Yeah [LAUGH] do a little instructional video. I want to know where. Bathroom stall set. It looks like 40 stalls here. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah. This is a big arena. You could put like 9000 people in this arena. This is my Graceland. Yeah there's a lot. Now also I like bathrooms that have a door that goes all the way to the top. Yeah. That's definitely. You like your own little closet. Yeah. Yeah okay. Well So I saw somebody that posted this photo on on my Facebook page this morning [LAUGH] and I feel like every single summer somebody repost this. And you probably know which one I'm talking about. It's like a photo of a, of a women with a short story attached to it. And it said that she was at a music festival and she drank a little bit too much and stumbled into a port-o-potty to puke. And she ended up being too drunk and she ended up falling in to the port-o-potty toilet and just got covered. Are you looking that up right now? I've stopped. Look it up. It's pretty creative and. Don't switch to my screen, whatever you do. Yeah, don't switch to his screen, but. Oh, Oh! Oh, it's so gross! It looked like she fell face first into the toilet. Like, She looks like a creature from the Black Lagoon. [LAUGH] She looks like Two-Face. Yeah. For sure. 'Cause she kind of like, falls in sideways. She got, She must have. She got Harvey Dented. [LAUGH] Yeah. [LAUGH] 'Cause half of her face is, sort of dripping with pudding. And the other side is completely clean. Alright. It's so bad, and I feel like every year somebody posts this on,. That's how I know it's summer, really. Right. Yeah, that's, that's, that's the actual. Not the weather. Christening of summer. Yeah, yeah. You know it's summer when someone posts that photo. Look, and if you think we're stupid, you're stupid about talking about this, because you spend a lot of your life Waiting in line. Waiting in line and doing this. You spend more time doing this than doing your laundry. Right. Did you know that? Yeah, is that true? It's true. Where did, where did you read that? What? Weird facts book? Weird facts website. Don't worry about it. Don't you worry your pretty little face about it, let's worry about the next story. [LAUGH] All right, all right. So let's, let's talk about this art project because I think it's really cool. We're gonna get to the preschoolers right? Yeah, yeah that will be our last story. So, if you find yourself around the world college of art, in London this weekend, go inside and walk around the lobby for a little bit. So when you get into the lobby, you'll see a security guard, and and a front desk. Everything you would normally see inside a university. But don't be alarmed, if you see a file cabinet in the middle of the room. And if you walk up to it, don't get too close because when you step away, the file cabinet will actually hop up on it's wheels and follow you around the room. It's really cool. This is a final project of a student that's enrolled in the information experience design program. Over at the royal college. And the project, it's called, I know what you did last summer. And, play the video that's attached at the bottom there. This is basically how it works when you walk in, it'll sense that you are in the room and it'll follow you all around [LAUGH] the lobby. So we're watching a video of it right now. Looks seemingly stationary right? Like your normal two, two drawer file cabinet you would see in any office. Yeah the placement's a little strange but. Yeah it's kind of weird. It's sort of in the middle of the room there. And when people walk in, it senses that it's there and it's because of a webcam that's in the corner of the lobby that tracks people's movements. And then that data is sent to the cabinet by a bluetooth, wireless chip, right. So, it know's where everybody is walking around. And then inside the actual cabinet theres a wheelchair that's actually been modified and souped up around a motor and one of those Arduino miniature computers you talked earlier in the show. And then there's distance sensors also installed so it doesn't bump into anybody but it gets close enough to where it, you know that you're being followed by it. It's almost kinda creepy. I don't have to explain my art with you Warren. The idea around I Know What You Did Last Summer it's sort of, I dunno, how would you interpret this if I didn't tell you what the thesis was? What would you think is the message behind it? Well, I kind of know what it, I know it, it is supposed to represent, so I can't like detach myself from it. Oh, okay, alright, then yes. But, I mean, it's, it's, it's you know, it's, it's a, it's an analogy to express what your online presence is like, and how the data you create online follows you wherever you go, unless you go upstairs. Yeah. What does that mean? Like walk upstairs. Whats the metaphor there? When you die? When you die your information. Yeah I don't know [LAUGH]. When you send. But that's not true, though, because the information's. Yeah. Still there once you kick it. They haven't thought it completely all the way through. But yeah, yeah that's, that's true. I guess we all know that, the internet's written in pen. Right, but I, I don't know, man. I, I'm, I, I, I agree with the, analogy, and it's clever for sure. I like it, but, you know, you could still do your part and, and, I guess this is more of an you know you can still do your part, and, and, I guess this is more of like an awareness thing then like, you're the problem. Right. You know, like you're the, you know, it's your fault, so Yeah, there may be a day when you can scrub Google search results about yourself, soon. There was this one, what the hell was it called? Right to be forgotten? There was like a law that passed in the E.U. this week. Mark Cuban's funding some, I think it's called like Space Dust or something like that. Oh, oh. Where you can hire this company to start, deleting your, online footprint. Oh, what? It's called Cyber Dust. Mm. Is what it's called. And yeah, it's, it's it's an iPhone app that supposedly, helps you delete. Things that you dont want, you know, out there. huh. Yeah, so I don't know much about it, but Yeah. Is there anything that you'd want scrubbed from the internet? I don't know, I still don't like the fact that you can like search me and or anyone and see like where they've lived, who their relatives are. I guess that's not super vital information. There not, you can't addresses, you can't find phone numbers, some people you can, but. So just general location, like yours would say New Jersey? Yeah, my mine says like Hoboken for sure, you know, Hoboken is not super big, but you can find me if you wanted. Yeah, it's because of all those like Family Tree and White Pages websites that. You're gonna show your locations on that big video though. Yeah, but you know, I also think that it's like a cultural thing, like you can have privacy advocate people who are just crazy, but it's never gonna change, like it's there, Yeah. We're past the point of no return. So I think like the, the sort of like, anthropological, you know, cultural evolution that we're all following, that is part of it. Mm-hm. Whether or not, you wanna, know, like whether or not you want anyone to know you're living in a log cabin in Vermont. Right. It's just part of the way we're, we're going. Yeah, it's funny. Whenever I tell people that we've been doing this show everyday for the last five years, and, revealing some personal details about our lives. People always ask me, man are you worried that someone in the future will go back and listen to the shows and I don't know maybe stock you, or use the information against you? I welcome it. [LAUGH] And I always say, well sort of but eventually everyone's information will be online. You know, we're just kind of starting it off a little bit early. If you use technology. On a daily capacity. Yeah. It's all gonna happen. If you have a Gmail address. If you have a Facebook account. I mean, forget it. What are, you know? Like, people born now, their entire life is completely documented. I mean, like. Pre 1993 there's no trace of me online. Yeah, yeah. You know, or 94 there's no trace of Jeff online. That's going to be really weird when kids that are born now grow up and they have videos and photos. Like millions of that stuff, you can document every single. Perfect photos. Perfect HD [CROSSTALK] quality Every single moment in their life. Everything, like I don't have that. We don't have that. I had like five pictures of myself when I was a kid. Yeah. I don't have all these amazing photos, you can't really see yourself grow up. God, those throwbacks, [UNKNOWN] photos. You can. Are going to take forever to find. [LAUGH] So. Randomly select one. What about like, how about this though, if you want to get into like the cyberpunk sort of like, mentality of it. You know like people have like two ages. Like, I'm 32 in real life, but I'm only 18 online. Wait, what? What does that mean? It just means, like, how long your digital life has been and how long [CROSSTALK]. Oh. Since you've been on the Internet? Yeah. Well, after we die. Like, that might. That'll be an important. Mentor, maybe. Yeah, yeah. At some point. What would you say? That you're about, what, half? I would say? Yeah. I'm like. Same with me. Yeah. [CROSSTALK] 15. Pretty sure. I'm 8, I'm like, I'm only 18 on the Internet. [LAUGH] You're a young man. Hell yeah. You can't even work yet. I'm [LAUGH]. I'm jailbait on the Internet. [LAUGH] That'll be a good joke to make when you turn, like. 40, he was like Right, yeah. Well I'm only like 20-something. That's it man, that's, that's the age I follow. I could live there from now on. Nice. alright, so speaking of young people, let's, let's end the show on this story. We should probably stop joking about actually being old, cuz there are real older people that listen to this show. Yeah, but they're not, they're Really old people, like 40 year olds. Yeah, that's not old at all, come on. So there's this study that, that just came out on the internet, that proves. So we're gonna, as we get older, we lose touch with technology. And it's not because of your own ignorance about the technology. Although, a lot of times like, with Snapchat and stuff it is because you're not paying attention. But it's also because young kids are literally trained at birth to use technology, and they have skills that we don't have. Having not grown up with it ourselves. so, these researchers, they basically abducted a hundred preschoolers, and, for this study, and tested their mental aptitude, using a series of puzzles, to basically test cause and effect. And, I'm not gonna explain the, the bug lists because they're pretty complicated and I don't really grasp them myself, but. Yeah. Essentially, they were used to test cause and effect. And, they found that the reason that these kids are more adept with technology is because ideas. Adults have this thing about solving problems where they have this thing called fear. where, they'll test things and they'll worry about the consequences. So, when you pick up a new gadget for example, you're sort of afraid to break it, as an adult. So maybe you wouldn't hit buttons that you don't know what they do, because you don't wanna, you don't want it to malfunctions. Whereas kids they have something called, and they say that it's called, exploratory learning. Which is where they'll eventually button smash, until they figure out what it is. And they're not afraid, to do something that wasn't, taught to them before. I actually think we're, included in that. You think we are? I guess we're sort of like, dancing on the line. I definitely think we're, I mean, even though it wasn't. You know, like we just went over. Yeah. It's not we had necessarily directly from- Yeah. Birth or, or childhood, but like, a lot of our, but my entire teenage, you know, maturation was- Mm-hm. Meshed with this. It's basically trial and error. Yeah. Like, kids are more willing to do trial and error because they don't have to get in trouble if they do the wrong thing. I mean, we've talked about this a million times. This is, this. Philosophy is why our parents don't get their you know, their phones. Yeah. And why we can build computers. Yeah, yeah, Its funny like every time Im like hovering over my moms shoulder as shes doing something on the computer. She'll sort of hover on top of a link and it looks like she's about to make the biggest decision of her life. [CROSSTALK] Right. And every times she clicks on a link it takes her maybe five, 10 seconds to actually click it. Right. That's the big difference here I guess, [CROSSTALK] where as with us we'll just click on something if it's not the right link we'll just go back. Right. But for her it's like a decision. Right. I think we also tend, as a culture in like, our fascination with small children. I think we like over exaggerate their achievements and like our, our, not that they're, you know, small. But I think we kinda like worship the way that they adapt to technology in a way that like, we, we just. Love doing that, like did you see Jeremy figured out how to use the iPad he's amazing. And like that just takes over our way of thinking. Yeah, in that it's not necessarily the kids aptitude so much of the simplicity of the iPad. Exactly, that is exactly what I'm saying. [LAUGH] LIke yeah, it's designed for a baby. Yeah, [LAUGH] OKay, you're, you're stupid. Just cuz you're stupid. And, it, like. I truly believe that. Yeah. That's probably, a little bit. Because it's, it's, it's, you know? It's. Like, you should. You need a finger. That's all you need, you know? Right. And, and, the very, very basic logic. Right. Anyone that's looked down at a page, knows that if you scroll your finger up, it will move. I, I guess. And, I mean, like, it only takes like a very small segment of trial and error, to figure that out. Right. Right. You know. And then once you wrap your head around the basic, sort of tool set. Mm-hm. You're good to go on 90% of the devices in the world. Do you think you lose that. That, sort of cause and effect thing, that trial and error. Or do you think you lose that when you get a little bit older? I don't think so. I don't, I mean, I dunno. Maybe I just, because I play so many **** video games that I'm just constantly like, you know. Like, I want. I feel like that's a really good example. Yeah. Video games. Like, most games now, I just know how to play and I don't even, you know? Anyone who plays games regularly. Right. Barely needs to take tutorials, or anything like that. You just get it. Mm-hm. No, that's true you just jump into it. You know? You just get it. You just know what you're doing. Yeah, no one reads the manual. Do they still have manuals for video games. I was like, Jeff there are no more manuals. They don't do that? Not really. Really? When did that stop? Well like ten years ago. When they realized no one read manuals. Well it's like a waste of paper you know. Yeah. And most games do teach you how to play in the first hour. Oh right, right, right. So it's just like a piece of paper now. It's just like I don't know, like a warranty. You know, like a proof of purchase. Yeah, I'm going to start collecting old video games man. Yeah that's it. Those are going to be worth something. Yeah, a whole lot of nothing, is what they're worth. But I really believe it, like I have young nieces, I have young cousins, and they take to it like a fish to water. And, you know, everyone around them like their uncles and their grandparents and are just like, they're so smart. Yeah. It's just like, maybe giving, little Bobbie too much credit. [LAUGH] They've just done it a lot. I think it's a good thing they can figure it out and like, a kid who like, can't figure it out, well then I'm like worried about that generation. Right. I don't know why, why would they not take to it? Yeah, it, it doesn't really make sense. This article is saying that eventually over time, even as soon as five years old, you lose that ability to just. Fearlessly jump into something and learn it. At that point, I think you start depending on other people like teachers and your parents to tell you what to do. There's a lot of like, following and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. And tell you how it works. Or, you think there's an instruction manual that comes with everything and you don't want to discover it yourself. Right, interesting, that's a good one. Alright, let us know what you think. Write us, firstname.lastname@example.org, And, follow us on Facebook and Twitter, and Reddit and Instagram. So, the rest of the week is sort of up in the air. Mm-hm. We're gonna, This is my last day. I'll be back Monday. What is that? Monday the 7th? And then, We, obviously, won't have a show Friday, but there may be another day off. From now till then, just marked the Twitter feed if you have to know, so go check out Twitter.com/the404 for all of the latest information about programming. All right that's it for us today, we will see you guys very soon, until then I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Justin Yu. I'm Mario Nunez This has been The 404 show, high-tech, low-brow. See you guys soon. [MUSIC]