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The 404: The 404 1,462: Where we'd love to stay and chat, but our Uber is waiting
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The 404: The 404 1,462: Where we'd love to stay and chat, but our Uber is waiting

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Aggressive behavior from video games is caused by gameplay mechanics not violent content, a Napster co-founder is in hot water for, Uber Rush usurps career bike messengers, and a motley crew is playing "flip the smart car" in San Francisco.

It's Tuesday, April eigth, 2014. I'm Ariel Nunez and from our CBS Studios in New York City, welcome to The 404. [MUSIC] Hey, what's up everyone. Welcome to the program. I'm Jeff Bakalar. And I'm Justin Yu. This is The 404 Show. Thanks for tuning in. Hope you're having a fantastic day, it's about to get a whole lot better. We got a lot of shows going on in the program, for your listening enjoyment. Shows? Or stories? Stories. Good stories. There's five shows inside this show. [LAUGH] So it's gonna be all kinds of kick **** fun. Mm-hm. And yeah, we're really excited about it. Real quick before we get going and we get a little taste of what's to come, I want everyone, if, if you're having any sort of outstanding issue. Receiving the program. Please let us know. Send us an email to And we're just trying to squash all these outstanding remainder bugs. Mm-hm. And that's that. So email us and yell at us, do whatever you want. And we'll take care of what we can do. Yeah. And we appreciate everyone that resubscribed after unsubscribing. Oh, god. And hopefully, if you're listening to this, that means you found your way back into the feed. Somehow you made it work. Yeah. And we appreciate that. So today, we're gonna talking about that age old question, and we actually haven't spoken about this in a while but there is news that [UNKNOWN] finally settled the old argument, do video games cause violent behavior? Then we are gonna talk about one of the Napster co-founders getting into a little bit of trouble over a new website, he started called Okay. Three guesses on what that's all about. The jerk store called., don't Google that. And then we're going to talk about a Uber for thing service. Uber just launched a new bike messenger service in New York City. It's bikes? Starting today, yeah, bike messengers. Man, I, I feel like they gotta tap the brakes a little bit [CROSSTALK]. Feels cyclical now. And I'll tell you something else I heard. Okay Before and I'm a little disturbed by it. Okay and then, finally we're gonna finish up with, a weird story coming out of San Francisco this weird crew of kids is tipping over smart cars, literally pushing smart cars over onto their rear bumpers which is funny unless you own a smart car. With their pinkies with their pinkies. Yeah, very really easy, just one really strong guy. That's it. So [INAUDIBLE] the stories for today. Beautiful. Yeah. Alright. We're gonna do [CROSSTALK] You wanna talk about Uber first? I mean if [CROSSTALK] Yeah. I'd like to [CROSSTALK] it's funny. Like, whenever we talk about, it seems like whenever we talk about a service, 20 minutes later there's, massive news. Yeah. Or it's already old news and there's something, new happening. Right. So Uber is now, transcending. It, it's service genres. Yeah. So before they would take, people to a destination and now that personal chauffeur service is transferring over to its things. And so the general manager of Uber, Josh Mohrer. Yesterday, announced that there's going to be a new service launching today in New York City only, called Uber Rush. And basically that's a, a person to person service, where you can hire a bike courier to basically pick up something from you, and deliver it to somebody else. So this is different from Amazon Now, or eBay Now, whatever those services are called. Great. That you can hire, to go to a location to pick up like, milk or something like that. Mm. And bring it to you. That's not, this is not what that is. But you could, you can't have them go buy stuff for you. You can't. But you can, you can [CROSSTALK] You can buy something and then hi, hire a bike messenger to pick it up from your house to deliver it anywhere you want. So, this probably just more for like a corporate application. Probably, yeah. Yeah. It feels so regressive though, right? Like. No. Yeah Not in New York It feels counterintuitive because there are already bike messengers, that have been doing this for decades. Right. The, who knows how long probably the 70s. Well guess what? There's always been taxi cabs and they figured out a better way to do it. Yeah, but I thought the internet was suppose to get rid of the cumbersome nature of that. No, I disagree. And make it more convenient, and now were kinda like going back on that idea. I disagree. It's not a new thing. And in fact, bike messengers were a thing. And then was also a similar service that launched in New York in like the late 80s or, no, am sorry, the late 90s. I do not, I don't remember that. Did the same thing. were those bike messengers in the late 90s that had those orange messenger bags. Right. Did exactly the same thing. It's like urban oh, urban, no, Urban Fetch was a retail store in New York. Oh and they would send you stuff [CROSSTALK]. Yeah, yeah [CROSSTALK]. I mean it makes sense in [INAUDIBLE] in any metropolitan city it's gonna be faster to get something delivered by bike than. Of course. Anyone else. And that's what I'm saying. LIke even though it's an ancient sort of antiquated concept. Yeah, they're just reintroducing it. Right. And they're do, and they, they probably will undercut the competition. Right. I feel like what Uber is doing, is there's going through every sort of service that we've always sort of taken, not for granted, but just have thrown maybe more money at than we should be doing. Like car services, like bike messengers. Maybe [INAUDIBLE], our bike messengers are overpriced? Well, so you can get a bike messenger to deliver something within two hours. So, that's like the non-rush service. The average price for that, within the city, say river to river, in Manhattan alone, for about ten bucks. That's great. But, you know, the price goes up if you want it rushed, within 15 minutes, half an hour, or an hour, whatever. Mm-hm. Does JGL come in and like [CROSSTALK] Someone will be killed. [LAUGH]. Because you wanted your package delivered promptly. What is it? Premium rush. No, what is the the line? Oh running reds killing peds. [INAUDIBLE]. Can't stop, don't want to. Can't stop killing pedestrians. Yeah. So have you seen these guys out today? I haven't, no. But here, here's what they look like. They have those Uber messenger bags customized for them. I think they're Chrome bags. That's what that's what they're going to do. Uber's gonna take apart every antiquated over-priced. Yeah. Service. Mm-hm. And introduce it at a lower rate. They're basically like the Walmart of every, of like digital services. But that's the thing, according to this guy, they're gonna charge anywhere between 15 minimum to 30 bucks depending on the distance and how fast you want it. But my point is that, you could just hire a regular bike messenger to do the same thing. Pick something up from you, drop it off where ever for ten bucks. So they're not under cutting. So they're not. Yeah. So then, why am i using this? You know,I don't, I don't know. That's my question. I, I'm confused. And i would rather hire a bike messenger that's doing this day in and day out, and some one reliable, right, like a bike me, courier whose like a career messenger. Yeah. To do this, rather than some new kid. The Uber brand, the Uber is becoming, impenetrable. I think that's what they're relying on is like, oh, well you, you use, use Uber for this, now you can use the same app. You can launch the Uber app and hire someone to do the, something else. Alright, it's time for a stupid admission of the day. What? So, when I first herad [LAUGH], when I first heard about this. Mm-hm. I thought Guess what I thought? What? Guess what I thought? You though it was gonna be for drugs. No, I didn't think it was for drugs. Oh, oh. Okay. Cuz you. Get your mind outta the gutter. Cuz that's basically what this is gonna be, right? I mean you could hide something in like a coffee container. Right. And then have someone deliver drugs for you. I need you to deliver this coffee tin. Yeah. Within 45 minutes. [LAUGH] Only a matter of time. No, I thought that it was like Uber [LAUGH] I thought it was Uber drivers delivering packages. Oh [LAUGH], just as long as you're going here, take a package with you? That's really sad. [LAUGH] I thought they were just like getting a package, and buckling the package in. Yeah. And like shotguns. Uh-huh. And just like rush delivery. Yeah. [LAUGH] You know. That would almost be better. Why would it be better? Although not as fast. Yeah. It wouldn't be as fast as like some kid on a bike. It would have to be in traffic. Yeah. Where you know, bike riders don't need to abide by the normal transportation rules. You know, I mean, going along those lines, it would be kinda smart to do, for Lift, to go for something like this. Lift is like similar to Uber, except anyone can be a lifter. Right? Yeah, I don't like that. Like, anyone can pick you up. As long as you're, going to a certain destination. Yeah, I don't like that. If someone puts a, pickup along the way, you can like, basically be a taxi driver. But why not do this for packages, right? Like, so for bike commuters in New York, like me for example. I travel up and down Manhattan everyday. If someone needs a package picked up on my way home, and the delivery spot is in the lower east side where I live. Why not, I would do this for a couple extra bucks. No, just to get paid for your commute? Yeah. That'd be pretty dope. I would do that. It's cool, I you know we don't, I guess I use it maybe, I use a courier maybe like three times a year. From here? Yeah, I don't really, do you use it a lot? Yeah I use Urban Express or a Samurai messenger [CROSSTALK]. Samurai? Yeah, they're local kids local kids. Local kids. yeah. I don't know. I know a lot of people still use bike messenger services for things, but I just can't see a new messenger service holding up. Yeah, I didn't real [CROSSTALK] It's already a dying industry. I didn't realize that they're not undercutting them. And that's why Uber driving is so popular. That plus the software. And I bet the software for this is pretty great, too. Yeah, most likely. so, I didn't tell you this. We, we talked maybe Friday or Monday about my experience in Uber cars and what not. Yeah. Mm-hm. I forgot to tell you, one of the drivers told me, and I don't know if this is true. I have yet to confirm this, this, you know, thing, but apparently Ashton Kutcher owns a big chunk of Uber. Yeah. I think I [CROSSTALK] Did you know that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like, during some of the announcements he would be there as a keynote speaker. Does that upset you? Not really. I mean. I think he's just an investor. Yeah? Yeah. So you knew this too? Yeah, I did. What the hell am I doing? [LAUGH] Does it change things though? A little bit. Well, you're not gonna use it because Ashton Kutcher's involved? It's like all of a sudden, walking doesn't sound so bad. [LAUGH] You know what mean? Yeah. I don't know, I just, have this thing with him. Yeah. And now he's with Mila Kunis, and it's just like, god! Don't get personal stuff involved with this. This is business, man. I guess it's a personal vendetta, for sure. Yeah. Alright, I'll let it [CROSSTALK] I remember one time I took an Uber cab, and this is like, kinda related. But I, I got an Uber driver and I was talking to him along the way to my destination, and he told me that, a lot of Uber drivers are hired by parents. To take their kids to school in the morning. Really. Yeah. Really weird right? I mean, the cost is pretty low, if you live close to the school and you have to get somewhere. He said oh, a big chunk of his time in the morning is spent taking kids to and from school. And then also in the afternoon, of course. That's funny. That seems like a lot of money to spend to send your kids to school everyday. Yeah rich kid. I mean you pay, 25 bucks to have someone walk your dog every day. I do not. Not you, but, people in Manhattan. Oh, yeah. You pay 20 bucks. That's, almost as bad. I pay less than that. Less? Yes sir. So Hoboken prices are a little cheaper. Hoboken, yes. [LAUGH]. Alright, what, what do you, what do you wanna tackle next? alright. Let's talk about feeling aggressive after playing video games. Okay. I wanna ask you about this, clearly I don't play a lot of games, so [CROSSTALK] You don't and we've talked [CROSSTALK] this topic, we've the age old topic. Yeah, the age old topic, do video games beget aggressive behavior? Right And the answer is yes. But not because of the violent content, and that's what this study is proposing. The researchers over at The Oxford Internet Institute, which is actually a place, I didn't realize you could study there. They're basically trying to conduct a study to figure out whether violence from video games and aggressive behavior is caused by the content itself, or game play mechanics. So this is kind of interesting to do this. They set up this study where they set up a modified version of Half-Life two, right. It's Half-LIfe two, you can explain this better than I can. It's a first, it's a classic first person shooter that's like 11 years old. Yeah, a first person shooter game, but it sort of heralded like that question. Cuz it's, it was super violent, right, you like take a gun around and shoot people. No more violent than any other shooter. But very realistic. [SOUND] They set up this modified version of Half-Life two, where players could actually tag enemies. It was a much, G much more G-rated version of the game where you would tag enemies instead of shooting them with a gun, and then they would just disappear, right? They would just turn into like sparkle farts or something like that? Yeah, yeah. So like, they took all the violent elements out of the game, and then they asked a group of kids to play it, right? The twist is that only some of the participants that were invited to play that game, were actually briefed on it, and given a tutorial beforehand, on how to play. Mm-hm. Right, and then they were given you know, a couple of hours to play the game. And in the end, the researchers found that those who felt less confident playing the passive game, were actually more aggressive after playing, than those who'd played the violent version of the game. And how were they measuring aggression? That's a good question, I don't know. They didn't re, they didn't reveal that in the study. Like, he just like strangled the puppy after he did it? Yeah, I'm sure it was like a survey right, like how, how aggressive you feel [CROSSTALK], do you feel angry or whatever. See, I don't, I think that's such a flawed way to do it. Why? Because, I, I think introducing, you know, and I, I'm not saying I have a better way to measure it. Yeah. But the second you are asked about the thing you're s, you're testing for [CROSSTALK], I think that compromises, yeah, it c, it compromises everything. Like, Justin do you feel aggressive right now? Right. I don't know, I don't know. And there's no empirical way to measure how much your blood is boiling and where that comes from. Maybe there is. Maybe there's like a, a freaking wire you could hook up to [CROSSTALK] Like a neurological thing? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. Like a robocop style system [CROSSTALK] Something like that. That creates like a, I don't know, that kinda thing. But, I don't know anyway, the point is, the players felt like the frustrations from not knowing how to play the game, actually cause them to be more frustrated, and therefore more angry. Than than they would have had they known beforehand. Right. So what do you think about that? I mean, do you think that, the desire to succeed at the game has more impact than the content itself? [CROSSTALK] Yeah. I think the content's irrelevant. I really do. And this is not the first study that's shown that. I, I mean, and this is also, I want everyone to know, this is not a bad result. No. This is like a very normal result. Right. Because the aggression that they're talking about, is no different than the aggression you get from watching your favorite team play a sport, or. Yeah. Or, or competing, you know, in a sport. Right. Or, you know [CROSSTALK] Or just watching the sport. Or having a debate, or having any sort of thing. There's certain, you know, chemical reactions that happen in your brain, that are quote, unquote aggression. Mm-hm. You know, it's a very wide, you know, range of stuff. You know what's funny, like, you know we talked about Flappy Bird a couple weeks ago, and that was making people go crazy with rage. Sure, sure. People were raging all over the place because, that game was impossible to win, but there was zero violence in the game. Right. And, you know, people were saying it was ruining their lives, and making them go crazy, and feeling stressed out. Half-Life two's never ruined anyone's life. Well, that's questionable. It's, too good of a game, there's no way [CROSSTALK] I play Counter-Strike, it is a great game [CROSSTALK] Fantastic But, yeah, I mean, it doesn't really take out the argument that violent content causes violence in real life. No, but it says that the content's irrelevant. But it says that you can definitely feel violent because of the frustration from, you know, maybe a developer not making [CROSSTALK] Aggression and violence are two different things, man. Yeah. You know. That's the, I think that's the part that [UNKNOWN] too. Right, like I'm super aggressive, but I haven't slapped you yet. Right and like the [UNKNOWN], the question of whether or not you'd act out on that frustration, by taking it out on other people, that might be something different too. I think, and that will probably vary by person. But that's the thing. If you're, if you're a game developer, right, I mean, you don't wanna make a game too easy. You don't wanna make it so hard that people get angry. But that's sort of a natural thing, right? Like the, a whole idea of a game is it should be hard enough. To, to be challenging. Be challenging. Yeah. Yeah. To be challenging. So, where is the middle ground here? If you're a developer, how do you go about making a game that's, you know, not gonna piss people off, and yet it's still challenging enough to be fun? Well, I, I don't have the answer to that. I don't [CROSSTALK] Yeah, I think that's the hard, that's the hard thing. But I wanna hear from video game developers from that. I'm sure we have some listeners that engage in that, I think. It's possible, yeah. So, let us know what do you feel about this. We'll put a link up to the story and the rundown. Give us your thoughts. I'm very curious. Cool. alright. Let's, let's move on to this thing. What do you think is? Okay, just don't even answer that question. No, I mean obviously, I'm not gonna think that. I don't know. Maybe like highlighting like the worst people on the internet? I don't know. Yeah. You basically got it. Yeah? Yeah. It's like a hot or not. Jerk or not. Okay. Basically. so, one of the co-founders of Napster. A guy by the name of John Fanning, who is actually the uncle of Sean Fanning, the other co-founder of Napster. Is in trouble today, because of a website he owns called And, it's been around for a while. But the FTC actually has him on the chopping block right now. And they're accusing him of basically exploiting a facebook flaw, that allowed him to steal photos, names, and then information, all the information you have on your Facebook profile. Mm. From that social network to put on But see, so the twist here, is that was claiming, that all of their profiles that exist on there, were being submitted by other users. Okay. And so, the whole point of the website is if you got pissed off by someone else a coworker, family member, friend, whatever, you could find find them on line and then post their photo and information and their name on, and then, all the other users of the site can vote, on whether or not this guy was a jerk. Oh, this is bull, what the hell was he thinking? Right? I know. Totally dumb idea. Yeah. And he was claiming that you know, other users were submitting all the information. Turns out, he was harvesting these profiles, millions of profiles, from Facebook. That's amazing how some like what he, do you think he knew about it? Did he know about what? Did he program that? Yeah. Yeah. Oh. He definitely did it intentionally. [CROSSTALK] But you know, like, he didn't wanna wait around patiently for people to upload their own profiles, so he just harvested them from Facebook, which is obviously against their terms of service. Alright? So this is, a problem because, the names of people people's names were showing up in search engine results. Mm-hm. was showing up in those results. Oh, and attaching them to be like jerkified. Yeah. Yeah. This, reminded me immediately of, Lulu. Mm. So, do you remember what Lulu is? I do, the, the site where women posted like you know, depictions of men that they hated. You see, it's funny that you're using the past-tense of those verbs, cuz it's still a website. Oh, it's still real. You could still use it. If you're a woman. I mean I knew that. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz you're on it. Right. no, you can't be cuz you have to be a woman. You have to have a female Facebook profile. Right, right. To access this site. It basically let's you rate, all the people you've dated in the past. Jeez. And that's still a thing. Like, you could still go on there, which is really alarming. And the same deal, if, if you look up your name and you have a Lulu profile, that will show up in the first page of Google. Fantastic. Terrifying. Why the FTC hasn't gotten on them about this is. They just haven't heard about it yet. Yeah. Cuz they, they use Facebook as well. They use your Facebook name, and your main profile picture, which is so. God, that is so not fair! Yeah, that really pisses me off. It's not fair, but it also pisses me off because, there's no male version of this. Like why, why make it for females only, just make it, you know, open up your. Because they're better. Your pool to everybody. Well they're better than us. Women? Yes. There's more to talk **** about with men, is what you're saying. Yeah, women are the more, they're the kinder g gender. Yeah, you're right though. Because the weird thing is I was with a friend a couple of weekends ago. A girl who brought up her Lulu account. And it shows you all of your Facebook friends that have Lulu profiles. The thing is, I thought they were all gonna be blasting these guys. But a lot of the stuff is actually complimentary. Alright, well maybe. Which is fair, like they, a lot of the women are actually fair about, you know, naming the pros and cons of these guys. Like I, I mean like I said they're better, they're more honest. And they weren't all sexual either, which is definitely what the guy version would be. Oh, the guy version would be gross [CROSSTALK] I actually think the guy version's called Facebook. Yeah. [LAUGH] Probably [CROSSTALK] How that works out. Yeah. So anyway I sorta digressed here. Over 73 million people are appearing on, which you can go to right now. And you know, they're also blackmailing people. And that's where the FTC is coming in with a lawsuit, because they were saying if you want your profile taken down, you can pay us $30. Oh man, I'm on there. Whereas, with Lulu it's free, you know there's [CROSSTALK] I'm all over there. Yeah. I'm a jerk. You, are you on there? No, I just searched my name and jerk. Yeah? No, no result. Yeah. Just be careful. Keep checking that thing. What about you? So it's basically exploitation, right? Like you're blackmailing people. For $30 at a time. Huh. And if there's 73 million people on here, you could stand to make a lot of money. So anyway, John Fanning, scumbag of the day. Not cool. God, what is wrong? Dude, you did, you did Napster. Yeah. And that was so philanthropic too. That gave, MP3's music to the world. Why turn your back on everyone, and just do a **** move like this? I don't know. I feel like once you get into that Silicon Valley like mindset, it's just you're, you're in like, a, a downward spiral. Yeah. Perhaps. [CROSSTALK] Maybe that's what happened with our buddy here. Speaking of, I watched that show yesterday. Oh yeah, what did you think? I mean, there were some parts that were funny. Sure. Like that really narrow smart car, I kind of giggled at that. Yeah, of course. [UNKNOWN] is really funny, the way you pronounce that. Yes it is. I chuckled at it. But you, you agree with what I was saying, right? Like. [INAUDIBLE] What, what were you saying? Well, I said it's the per, it's like a weird combination of office space and idoiocracy. I would say, yeah. Mixed, mixed in with [UNKNOWN] I, people have been describing it's like a geeky Entourage [CROSSTALK]. Yeah, I would, I would say the first two comparisons were better. I think that's an insult Silicon Valley, because Entourage was in my opinion a terrible program. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, I think this is better already, just the pilot [LAUGH] it's better than seven seasons of Entourage. Yeah. It's got more potential, I think. I liked Entourage though, I mean thats. And I loved Office Space, too. But, I feel like this is too topical, you know? Like they made references to like GitHub, and. So what? Like Google and things. So what? Like that. I feel like in five years, this is gonna be funny in a satirical, like self satirical way. This. Like, it's going to be ironically funny. This program. We're gonna back and look at it like hackers. Right, but this, but that's, and hackers turned out okay. Mm-hm. I guess it's more for nostalgic purposes. But it's okay. It's like a mini time capsule. If you're dealing with this topic Yeah. You're going to be dated. Doesn't matter what the hell you [CROSSTALK] Yeah. It feels, I dunno, to me it just felt more cute than funny. There were like cuter moments. [CROSSTALK] Look, this is how like, the public perceives [CROSSTALK] it felt much more like [CROSSTALK], an outsider looking in, rather than the opposite, which is what I was hoping it to be. Yeah. and, yeah. They can't make it too technical, people get lost. Right, right, right, right. People can't handle it. That's true, and of course they're gonna have to like, make it sexy, and so there's gonna be parties and girls that are involved, I'm sure. Although they seem to be having fun with that, and making fun of that world. How they don't do that. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I feel the way about, I feel this way about Silicon Valley that I'm sure real physicists and scientists feel about Big Bang Theory. Of course. Like, oh this is cute, but. Exactly. Yeah. And because we're somewhat, in that scene. Mm-hm. We, you know, we looked at it with a different eye. Yeah. It feels stereotyped, but stereotype, satire. There's a fine line between those two. Right. Did you, did you [LAUGH] the best part is when that [INAUDIBLE] that, that, the, the, the head of Hooli. Yeah, right. Is like observing the programmers, and how they travel in packs. Oh yeah, yeah, there's like always one tall, skinny white guy. [LAUGH] A short Asian guy. Yeah, and one Middle Eastern guy. One Middle Eastern guy. It's pretty good. Yeah. Pretty smart. Like, they all like, kind of move around until they find the perfect combination. But the Mike Judge, comes through very apparently. Yeah, yeah, and I like Mike Judge too. I'm not gonna make any huge judgments on it, until I watch more of the season, but. Okay. I'll keep watching. And it's free right now, which is cool on HBO's part. Is it? Yeah, HBO put up the first episode for free on YouTube for a little while. That's cool. So you can go watch it. Man, that's so cool. Speaking of Silicon Valley. Yeah. Something crazy's happening in the Bay Area. I wanted to finish with this story cuz I think it's. This is so stupid. Hilarious. Yesterday, San Franciscans woke up to news that four smart cars in Bernal Heights had been tipped over on their rear ends. So you can see it here. We're airing the news piece that was on yesterday. [LAUGH] So they're basically tipping them over on their rear bumpers. Because they can. Their front bumpers, tipping up straight into the sky. Right, cuz they can. Yeah. I mean it's, kinda funny. It is funny. It is really funny. [LAUGH] So in this news piece they interview a witness, who saw six to eight, black hoodie cladded individuals. [LAUGH] I'm sorry [CROSSTALK] this is like, it's like cow tipping. Yeah, exactly! But there's no cows in San Francisco. It's just like, [SOUND] I think they weigh less than cows actually. You know. It'd be funny if the horn, instead of going off just like a cow moos too. But it, it took about six to eight people to do this. [LAUGH]. Sometimes they're on their side. Sometimes they're on their nose with the windshield on the ground. Am I the only one that thinks this is really funny? It's hilarious. Yeah, really funny. Because they're such stupid little cars. Yeah. And seeing them like [SOUND], they're like turtles on their shells [CROSSTALK] that can't walk around, there's something very funny about that. Mm-hm. Yes, it's, it's damage, but I'm sure they've got [UNKNOWN] vandalism insurance. Right. They own a smart car, they've got smart insurance. Yeah, hopefully. What else? [LAUGH]. Well, It's just come on. That's hilarious. There's really not much of a story to tell here. There, there saying the SSPD is still a little unsure about the motive. You know, whether it's a, just [UNKNOWN] prank. Oh, I know the motive. Or if it's politically charged. Comedy is the motive Yeah, or if it's just. Straight up comedy. Which I think is what, probably [CROSSTALK] I think it works, I think it's, I think it works for me. Yeah, I'm, I'm anxious to see this move to the East Coast. I mean, are these things, are smart cars, do they have any like, safety rating whatsoever? Like, they can't, like a smart car versus like, an SUV. Yeah. That's gotta be like. A really small survival rate. It's probably slightly safer than just riding a bicycle or a motorcycle [LAUGH] right? [LAUGH] I guess it's funny it's, it's almost like, yeah, see they ask this, this woman, and she [CROSSTALK] she doesn't have she doesn't have shoes on. Yeah. If you notice, [INAUDIBLE] it's kind [CROSSTALK]. Such a San Francisco problem. Yeah. But the thing is, I was reading about this. [LAUGH] I'm sorry, it's just too funny. These shots are really funny. They're so helpless, it's like a baby on his back. It's like [LAUGH] [SOUND] I can't get up. It's like the, it's like they're being. It's, it's like the car equivalent of getting like a swirly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It's like when a French bulldog kinda like gets over on its back and can't roll over onto the front. Right, and, and can't flip over. I, yeah, like, I don't know, I don't feel too, too bad about this. No. It's, it's, it's like their, you know, it's like San Francisco's own little project mayham. Oh, they have bigger issues to worry about in, in San Francisco right now too. Yeah, for sure, why, what's going on in SF? What's the problem? There's a whole thing with the housing market going up. Like astronomically. [INAUDIBLE] People are blaming that on. Smart car vandalism. No. No. On, on the people that drive this market. Yeah. [LAUGH] On Silicon Valley. Right. So they're protesting the buses that take people from San Francisco, to Silicon Valley, to San Jose. And things like that. They're throwing their iMacs in the street. God, the other day I read a story about protesters actually puking [CROSSTALK] Yeah. I read that too. On the buses. Did you read that? Yeah. And there was a photo, so [INAUDIBLE] should of tweeted it out. Yeah, it's so disgusting. Is that an effective way of protesting? Well before, they were just standing in front, sort of like of blocking the car from moving, and now [CROSSTALK]. Forcing themselves to vomit. And like [INAUDIBLE] costumes and dancing and stuff like that, have you seen that? Yeah [CROSSTALK] weird too. Yeah it just looks dumb. Yeah, they made like a costume for Google camera that they were sort of parading around in. [CROSSTALK] I don't know, and it's not even like hundreds of people that were protesting. Mm-hm. It's like ten people. Yeah, totally. It's so funny it's like the only way San Franciscan, can protest. Yeah. It's just by like wearing a funny costume. Yeah, totally. the, the thing is, the last single thing about the story is that it's not the worst that can happen to. In reading, about this subject. I guess it's not the first time it's happened. In Amsterdam Danish vandals were actually taking the smart cars. And putting them in the. And picking them up and putting them in the canals. That's kinda funny too. So you're not getting, you're definitely not getting your car back after that. This might just, you know, break your windshield or whatever. Yeah. In Amsterdam, it's way worse. [CROSSTALK] They, Amsterdam hates cars. Yeah? Like, they, cars are like the fourth, you know in the line of like all priority [CROSSTALK] Oh that's right, bicycles are number one. Like bikes, mopeds. Oh, I love that. Yeah, they, the hate cars [LAUGH] I need to get there immediately. Yeah, you should go there. Just for that reason. Don't take it out on the smart cars though, they're the they're the best of the worst, right? Like, you should really be taking it out on the SUVs [CROSSTALK] I mean you're not flipping over, you know, a truck. Yeah. Smart car, but you, even you and me could probably do it. [LAUGH] Just with one hand. [CROSSTALK] You know, a little bit of an adrenaline, just to pick it up. Just wear gloves. [LAUGH] You've got it down. Yeah, and it makes me worried for motorcyclists too. That's why I would never own like a moped. Why? Or a vespar or something. They're so easy to just pick up and just put into the back of a truck. Right. I wonder how often that happens. [COUGH]. You've got a pretty nice motorcycle, how heavy could it be? A couple of guys could pick that up. Yeah, that's funny. That's scary. Before we say goodbye, i wanna get to an email from Joe, he's talking about Uber. Mm-hm. He was in Dallas for the weekend for the final four and got to use Uber for the first time. He's heard about it from us, awhile back but never got a chance to use it because he lives in Gainesville. Yeah. I wanna say that, I would most definitely recommend Uber to anyone, over regular cabs, the hotel we stayed at gave us a [INAUDIBLE] for twenty dollars off the first ride, so all of us who came to Dallas now have Uber accounts. Cool. And I'm hooked, and I'm gonna use it when he's in New York next week, so that's pretty awesome. [INAUDIBLE] Nice, a friend of mine used Uber for something kinda cool. What's that? On Sunday, he told me that he used Uber, and called a car to put a girl inside to take her home from his house. That is, the most romantic thing I've ever heard. That is super smooth, right? Like next time you're in a situation like that, where you have an overnight visitor. Call an Uber for her the next day. Personal chauffeur service, it's a nice move. It's a nice touch. Yeah. It's a mint of a pillow, of your one night stand. Exactly, yeah, to cap it off. It's also a good way to get her out of your house. [LAUGH] [INAUDIBLE] Yeah. [INAUDIBLE] So good. [LAUGH] That is so screwed up [LAUGH] oh, you know what? I was making breakfast and all, but Uber was early. Yeah [CROSSTALK]. These guyz are so efficient. And we can make those guys wait, you know [CROSSTALK] Yeah, I get a bad rating on my account. We are at three point o, what can you do? That's messed up. Do it. Is that tasteless? That's tasteless. No. That's just the world we live in, man. [SOUND] I guess. It is the future. Give us an email everyone. Let us know what you thought about the show. Follow us on twitter. Please do that right now if you're not. If you're not, what the hell's wrong with you? Follow us on twitter. We're @the404, and then do yourself a favor and follow the, the thrice of us as well. Go over to our Facebook page, give that a like. And, head over to Reddit, Instagram, all that other junk. We're back here tomorrow, guys. Have a fantastic Tuesday. Until then, I'm Jeff Bakalar. I'm Jusitn Yu. I'm Ariel Nunez. Thank you very much for tuning in to our show. 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