• On TechRepublic: Five super-secret features in Windows 7
November 20, 2009 3:20 PM PST

Reporters' Roundtable Podcast: Tech biz turkeys

by Rafe Needleman
  • Font size
  • Print
  • 7 comments

Why is it that as Thanksgiving approaches, when we should be focusing on the good things in our lives, journalists take the opportunity to talk about what's bad? I don't know, but I do know that I'm not immune to the trend.

This week on the Reporters' Roundtable: tech business turkeys! Unlike the Real Deal podcast Thursday in which Tom Merritt and Brian Tong tried to steer you away from turkey products, in this episode, we discuss the turkey business decisions and business models that we've seen in tech over the years.

My guests are both co-workers. First, in the studio, Charlie Cooper, executive editor at CBSNews.com and author of the column Coop's Corner. Before moving to his highfalutin' job at CBS News, Charlie worked in the CNET newsroom as an editor and columnist, and he ran a great daily video podcast called the Daily Debrief.

Dialing in from our Boston bureau is Jim Kerstetter, executive editor of CNET News. Jim is responsible for all the news coverage on CNET, and he covered tech prior to that at BusinessWeek. When I approached him about this roundtable topic, he said, "I think I covered all the bad businesses already."

By the way, right after we stopped recording, and my guests left, the live chatroom pointed out that we had neglected to mention perhaps the most heinously derelict tech business decision in the history of personal computing. They were right. I could tell you what it was--or leave it up for ongoing discussion in the comments, which is what I'm going to do.

Listen now: Download today's podcast



Subscribe with iTunes (audio)
Subscribe with iTunes (video)
Subscribe with RSS (audio)
Subscribe with RSS (video)

Reporters' Roundtable Podcast 11: Tech biz turkeys

Show notes and talking points:

  • The troika of dot-com crazy: Kozmo.com, Pets.com, and Webvan.
  • Microsoft's mishandling of negotiations with the Justice Department.
  • Speaking of Microsoft: Yahoo's failure to sell itself to Microsoft and failure to live up to its fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders. Pure madness.
  • Compaq Computer buying DEC...for what, exactly? The mainframe business or the high-end server business, just as x86 servers take over the market (see Sun Microsystems failures).
  • Potential disaster: Oracle buying Sun. We still don't get this.
  • eBay buying Skype: We have never figured out how this worked.
  • Sony spying on users.
  • Hewlett-Packard spying on CNET.
  • Going back in time, Time Warner buying America Online, of course. And AOL failing to do anything with its chunk of Netscape (same with Sun, of course).
  • Be not selling itself to Apple.
  • And more!

Thanks for listening to Reporters' Roundtable. We're on live each Friday at live.cnet.com, except Thanksgiving--we're taking the week off. After the Thanksgiving holiday and through the rest of the year, Reporters' Roundtable (December 4, December 11, and December 18) will start an hour early, at noon PT.

Topics for future weeks will include: the role of design in the creation of tech products; advances in air travel, and what they mean for you and me; and the future of the Web browser.

Watch my Twitter feed for updates, and please send feedback to our new e-mail address, roundtable@cnet.com.

Thanks!

Rafe Needleman writes about start-ups, new technologies, and Web 2.0 products, as editor of CNET's Webware. E-mail Rafe.
Recent posts from Reporters' Roundtable Podcast
Reporters' Roundtable Podcast: Google vs. China
Reporters' Roundtable Podcast: What the iPad means for Apple
Reporters' Roundtable: Charity 2.0 (podcast)
Problems with CNET podcast feeds
Reporters' Roundtable Podcast: 3D TV debunked
Reporters' Roundtable podcast: Elements of tech design
Reporters' Roundtable Podcast: Biggest tech stories of 2009
Reporters' Roundtable Podcast: Google Chrome OS
Add a Comment (Log in or register) (7 Comments)
  • prev
  • next
by jsobon November 20, 2009 5:48 PM PST
Did you ever mention the IBM PC Jr.?
Reply to this comment
by ThinkBeforeYouPost November 20, 2009 6:31 PM PST
IBM created a PC that could gain wide acceptance and gave away the profitable part of the business to Microsoft.
Reply to this comment
by curtisboyle November 20, 2009 6:51 PM PST
IBM's allowing Microsoft to license DOS to other companies, and not keeping it exclusive, was probably the worst decision in the history of the high-tech industry. It eventually caused IBM to lose control of the PC business standard it created, eventually causing them to get out of the PC hardware business altogether. They have since recreated themselves as a successful services company, but they could have had both if their cards had been played right (on the other hand, one wonders if DOS, and it's successor, Windows, would have became the standards they are today had it NOT been for the clone market that IBM let be created).<br /><br />Other notable high tech turkeys/bad decisions:<br /><br />- Osborne hyping up their not-ready-yet 2nd gen machine when they still had warehouses of their first gen machine unsold... which pretty well stayed that way (as everyone dropped interest in buying the first generation whilst waiting for the 2nd), which ended up bankrupting the company.<br /><br />- Be Inc. trying to hold out for more money from Apple, when they were trying to sell their BeOS as the Successor to MacOS9. Because of this, Apple went with Steve Job's NeXT instead (ironically, both run by ex Apple employees), even though many at the time considered BeOS to be the most advanced multi-media platform of the two.<br /><br />- SCO's suicidal litigation run against large companies (IBM, Novell), without (apparently) having a legal leg to stand on. This one is still ongoing, I believe.<br /><br />- Commodore's failure to capitalize on the first true multi-media powerhouse, the Amiga. With it's genlock capabilities, it was still popular with TV stations and other media editors for a decade after they folded. Their pre-emptive multi-tasking OS was also far ahead of MacOS or Windows of the time, perhaps only rivalled later in it's life by OS/2.<br /><br />- OS/2: Speaking of OS/2, this very powerful OS (which I believe a few banks still use to this day) should , by it's technical merits, and backwards compatibility with DOS and Windows 3.x, have taken over the PC OS market. But a fallout between IBM and Microsoft during the development of OS/2 version 3 caused the split that eventually made Microsoft create the Windows NT kernal, which is still the basis for Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 today.
Reply to this comment
by rafe November 20, 2009 9:31 PM PST
Curtis, you cheat. Exactly.
by alflanagan November 21, 2009 6:16 AM PST
"IBM's allowing Microsoft to license DOS to other companies, and not keeping it exclusive, was probably the worst decision in the history of the high-tech industry."<br /><br />I have to disagree. This is a commonly held belief. However, I believe a proprietary DOS would have led to a different, more open, computer model becoming the standard. The licensing of DOS and the publication of the BIOS code are largely what led to the PC's success. IBM would have been left with the PC in the situation it eventually found with the PS/2 -- a non-standard proprietary solution that lost in the marketplace.
Reply to this comment
by curtisboyle November 21, 2009 11:46 AM PST
You are right to a certain point (as I mentioned, what would things in the industry have been like, if IBM had exclusive rights to it), but the situation was different with the PS/2 and MicroChannel architecture. By the time those came out, the PC architecture was already an industry standard, and IBM was trying to buck the trend by that point (competing against the EISA extension to their original XT/ISA architecture). By this time, they had already lost control of being the absolute market leader, with companies like Compaq, Tandy, DEC, etc. all making cheaper priced clones. But when the original PC came out, the huge influence that IBM had in the industry helped it take major market share (and establish the standard), even before the clones started to appear. If they had not allowed the XT/AT architecture to be open, and had exclusive rights to DOS, they would have had total command of (most of) the business market. CPM/86 was available at the time (as well as for other architectures like the Z80), but just the fact that IBM chose DOS made it the standard because of their business influence.<br />Another one I forgot to mention in my first post is Intel allowing 80x6 clone chips from AMD, NEC, Cyrix and others, although I believe that the initial clones were allowed simply because Intel could not keep up with demand on their own.
by YoungRighty November 21, 2009 9:33 AM PST
Surely the blunder that Rafe is referring to is Digital Research's decision not to do a deal with IBM for CPM/86 for the original PC. CPM was the dominant small computer OS at that time and CPM/86 was the no-brainer first choice for the PC. DR said no to IBM, who them went to Plan B (Microsoft), and the rest is history.
Reply to this comment
(7 Comments)
  • prev
  • next
Subscribe to the Reporters' Roundtable podcast

Subscribe to the audio podcast via RSS
Subscribe to the video podcast via RSS

Subscribe to the audio podcast via iTunes
Subscribe to the video podcast via iTunes

About Reporters' Roundtable Podcast

CNET News and Reviews editors gather to discuss in detail the biggest issues tech of the week, and predict outcomes of ongoing technology market battles.

Add this feed to your online news reader

Reporters' Roundtable Podcast topics

More on Reporters' Roundtable
Reporters' Roundtable on CNET Live
Rafe's Radar blog
Webware
CNET News
Meet the host of Reporters' Roundtable
Rafe Needleman Rafe Needleman is editor of CNET's Webware. He's been covering technology since 1988, and has interviewed thousands of tech execs. He blogs at Rafe's Radar. See profile
Podroll
When you're not listening to Reporters' Roundtable, here's some other great podcasts to try.
The Real Deal
Buzz Out Loud
CNET News Daily Podcast
Other CNET podcasts