August 12, 2009 11:50 AM PDT

BOL 1040: i4i wants tooth for tooth from Microsoft

by Tom Merritt
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The i4i Chairman Loudon Owen joins us to talk about why his company is suing Microsoft to prevent selling Word as it is currently. Sounds like i4i wouldn't mind cash. Also Tr.im is back. And Molly takes them to task for being babies. And Vance gets a Corvette for $14 a month. Or would. If GM honored it's bad math.

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EPISODE 1040

i4i Chairman Loudon Owen
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/August2009/12/c4382.html

Judge: Microsoft can’t sell Word anymore
http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/176223.asp
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10308013-75.html

Microsoft, Nokia plan mobile Office deal
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10307378-56.html

RealNetworks loses critical ruling in RealDVD case
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10307921-93.html

Zune HD’s packaging, release date leaked: September 15
http://gizmodo.com/5335353/zune-hds-packaging-release-date-leaked-september-15th

Xbox gaming platform may soon span Web, console, mobile
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/xbox-gaming-platform-may-soon-span-web-console-mobile.ars

Tr.im gets a stay of execution
http://technologizer.com/2009/08/11/tr-im-lives/
http://blog.tr.im/post/160697842/tr-im-resurrected
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-10307615-248.html

FriendFeed purchase and Twitter DDoS have some calling for distributed open source versions
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/08/11/twitpocalypse-open-s.html
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/is_a_perfect_storm_forming_for_distributed_social_networking.php

North Americans pay more for cell phone service
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10307726-94.html

MS--Dropping IE6 support “not an option”
http://slashdot.org/story/09/08/11/1756248/MS-mdash-Dropping-IE6-Support-Not-an-Option

VOICE MAIL
Vance points out GM’s math issues

Anonymous – doesn’t write checks

E-MAIL
Hey Guys,

Molly was talking yesterday (Monday) about if someone could go through all of the old BOL blogs and find out the most commonly used words. I did just that, I wrote a program that would go through your 1,000’s of blog postings and get all of the written data. Then from that data I analyzed it and posted a real time count on my site. Go check it out: http://www.smithprogramming.com

Also I would like to say I am sorry to your server administrators who probably were going crazy trying to figure out why there was so much traffic on your blogs, it was me fine tuning the machine so I could just run it and leave it alone. If your stats are skewed you know why.

I defined what words I wanted it to look for, and if you guys think of any you want me to add just say the word and I’ll get it in.

Great show and keep up the good work,
Chad Smith
Indiana, PA

**********

In Episode 1039 Tom mentioned that on Facebook you can choose what you
share with other people, but the problem is what my friends share with
me. I’m tired of all the notices from quizzes, gifts, games, etc. I
can block each each app individually, but there are hundreds of them
and they keep coming. Feels like bopping gophers.

–Charlene
Houston, TX

**********

Hey Buzzers,

Man! You guys are crazy! WiFi mesh networks with implanted pacemakers… of course you guys would go there!

I have to rain on your parade a little bit, though. I work at a Cardiac Rhythm Management (Pacemakers, Defibrillators, etc.) company and I can tell you these devices are definitely not WiFi. They use medical specific RF frequencies (Such as the ISM or MICS telemetry bands in the US or the SRD band in Europe). I have worked on both the implanted device and on the home ‘base station’ that uploads the data to the web, so I can give you more information if you’d like.

Please rest assured that these devices and frequencies are highly regulated and there’s a lot of security and encryption that goes into these things.

One thing I’m kind of blown away about is that this story has been reported all over the net like it’s something that’s never been done before. I believe this is St Jude’s first wireless device, but other companies have had this technology on the market for 5+ years (I was working on bringing our US based home monitoring system to several European countries over a year ago).

Sorry to be such a downer, I hope I let you down easy. I’m happy to have had a chance to finally be one of the knowledgeable audience members.

Love the show,

-kevmo the software engineer from St Paul

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by mrcjacobs August 12, 2009 1:31 PM PDT
You guys totally disappointed me today with your chatter after the rep from I4i got off the phone. You should have said those things to his face instead of waiting until he hung up. The company has a valid patent and claim against MS. So what if they went after MS for the money. That's their right!
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by heartless_ August 13, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
1. If its a valid and defensible patent, they would not need to use E Texas to be awarded an injunction.
2. If its a valid and defensible patent, he could have answered the question about what products (if any) actually use the technology.
3. If its a valid and defensible patent, they would have started suing BEFORE they knew the patent was going to be issued, not after. That right there, stinks of a patent troll.
4. i4i has no product to show for the patent and have failed to demonstrate that they even plan to.

Lets not sit around and pretend that software patents are actually "valid" in any sense of the word. The system is broken and is destroying the software industry. Companies are being punished for being successful. Small companies can abuse i4i's patent far worse than Microsoft ever will and i4i will never bat an eyelash their way.

Its an abomination of the system and the judge that laid the ruling should be removed from their seat and i4i sued for tax dollars spent on this mess. I still hold out hope that at some point we will be able, as the American people, place class action lawsuits against patent trolls wasting our tax dollars in court.
by Clankypants August 12, 2009 1:43 PM PDT
Could the GMT problem be due to DST? We're currently in DST here in the US, so our relationship to GMT is off by an hour.

For example, the Pacific time zone is UTC-8 when it's PST, and UTC-7 when it's PDT.
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by neverforgetJeff August 12, 2009 11:14 PM PDT
Molly, you were being a prude. He had a witty observation and you made too much out of it. It seems prudish to call him out for a strip club joke when you do a weekly section called "Good Vibrations" on Gadgettes.
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by mattclare August 13, 2009 10:49 AM PDT
The comment wasn't appropriate. Molly is not a prude (ask her about her Tattoos). I think Molly did not appreciate the inappropriate comment, and then also didn't appreciate being called a prude, when I'm pretty sure she's not and would take offence to that too. Double-whammy.

In any case, sounds like it might be one of Rafe's last BOLs -- here's hoping.
by wharrjr168 August 13, 2009 11:59 AM PDT
If Molly is a prude or not I dont know, but I think she over reacted to a reference to a strip club. If semi sexual innuendoes are out of line then the podcast would have to cut about 10 mins out of almost every show.
by Aetormin August 13, 2009 4:24 AM PDT
it;s a joke, they ask him if his company has any products that ms word competes with and he evades the question completely, twice
it's a failure
i4i is a money-grubbing bug like so many others, seeking to leech money from companies that are actually good at business
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by sigma9r August 13, 2009 7:06 AM PDT
Buzzers,
It sounds to me that Microsoft is trying to do to i4i as they tried to do to Sun 10 or so years ago. Then it was to take an open source language like XML and make it propitary. They got their hand smacked then and again now.
Well, that's my two cents!
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by Pasporte August 13, 2009 9:05 AM PDT
I'm not surprise the US are more expensive than everyone else when it comes to mobile phones. However the study/article doesn't make mention of the usage. Maybe the americans use their phones way more than the rest of the world (or not)... I grew up in Europe, keep in mind that over there, people don't pay for receiving calls and text messages.

It's the same problem with internet, I paid $50-$60 for my internet connection with Comcast (without TV and phone). While in France for example, internet (faster than Comcast), phone (free and illimited on landline phone on most countries) and television is only $43 per months.

That's actually a very strange situation where you have way more competition in countries some americans would call "socialist".
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by ghdesperado7 August 13, 2009 9:27 AM PDT
Hey folks,

Just listened to BOL 1040: i4i wants tooth for tooth from Microsoft and was really disappointed with the i4i piece. This is a good example where the subject matter is beyond the understanding of this panel of technology journalists. Remember, it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

P.S. Rafe you're a tech journalist, not a tech consultant, I would expect that means you report on stories not give bad IT advice.
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by robby818 August 13, 2009 12:03 PM PDT
I really didn't like that "interview" with the i4i Chairman. The i4i guy came off looking like the professional and you three looked like amateurs. Ugh, embarrassing.
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