March 31, 2009 12:05 PM PDT

Buzz Out Loud 942: Fill up on Confickerdoodles

by Tom Merritt
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A new scanner developed by Kaminsky and friends can help find Conficker-infected machines. We're so drenched in Conficker news at this point that I think the Girl Scouts have started selling Confickerdoodles. We also analyze Netflix's Blu-ray-rate hike, and try to decide why they're fighting over toilets in space.


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EPISODE 942

Netflix to hike up monthly Blu-ray fee by up to $8 a month
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10207302-2.html

New method for detecting Conficker discovered, debuted
http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/03/new-method-for-detecting-conficker-discovered-debuted.ars

YouTube gets Disney
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123844481702470815.html

American Airlines to expand Wi-Fi in planes
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/31/1247225

Apps to dominate CTIA Wireless 2009
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12261_7-10207651-51.html

Skype app for iPhone to launch Tuesday, but not in Canada
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/03/30/skype-iphone.html

Is Google pulling tethering apps from the Android Market?
http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/31/is-google-pulling-tethering-apps-from-the-android-market/

Contrarian Google launches investment fund
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10207853-76.html

Two dead in NY: May be payback for an online scam. That’ll learn ya’.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/03/31/sports/s070646D86.DTL&tsp=1

Dead Wii guy
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2348477.ece

Man uses 35 cable modems to provide Wi-Fi, sued by Comcast
http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/03/comcast-goes-after-illegal-resale-of-its-internet-service.ars

Microsoft kills Encarta — what took so long?
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/10286-msn-encarta-to-be-discontinued/

Cold War standoff over ISS toilet
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/31/1332257

VOICEMAIL
Robert the Kiwi
Why so Mac-centric

Christian from Browntown
Natali, don’t fear helicopters.

E-MAIL
It seems to me and to many others who listen to the show that Natali Del Conte is quick to stereotype and judge all those who live between the two coasts of the United States. She has made disparaging remarks about the southern states, rural areas and, most recently, even the viewers of ‘The Family Guy’. I don’t watch the show and I have no idea what the target demographic is, but she implied that they would be the most likely to still have analog TVs, a condition that seems to be a mark of shame in her world. Not only is this assumption probably wrong, it is what Christopher Hitchens calls poor comedy: “jokes that
only stupid people laugh at”.

Furthermore, I can’t help but think that Natali’s cute face and ability to turn her head to the right angle for a photograph is the only reason she has a job in tech journalism. I’m sure her looks have granted her many a door opening that would otherwise have been closed. Who’s judging now? You know what it’s like, Natali. I don’t expect this to be read on the air, but that is your decision.
I continue to listen to the show and except for the occasional inane
comment, I enjoy it immensely. Thank you.

Matthew Dattilo
Jeffersonville, IN

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You said my last name on the podcast! Sort of! Why don’t I have any of that Dairy Queen money?

Eric Brasure

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Hey Buzz Crew,

Regarding Vicente’s email in episode 941 and previous emails about the E74 error. I can, in fact, confirm that there is not conspiracy that the E74 error and RRoD are the same error that was just changed in the NXE update. You see, I have had BOTH errors in my short 2 years of owning an XBox 360. I got the E74 error last year and then, about 2 days after updating to NXE, I got the RRoD. Thankfully, I got then in that order so that it was covered by my regular warrantee for E74 and the extended RRoD warrantee later.

Love the show,
Dan from Wisconsin

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Hey Buzz Crew,

I know you guys have a big hate on for my preferred mobile OS, but you forgot to mention that Windows Mobile has supported Skype for years now. And guess what? It runs on either WiFi or cellular data connections and can be minimized and run in the background!

…but I guess the fact that the iPhone has just come out with a limited functionality version of Skype is the big news :-)

…love the show!

Mike

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Hey Buzz crew,

I was watching the (unintentionally) funny 60minutes “The INterwbehszor iz ze inFECTED”
episode and like many other finns (tho I live in Sweden) noticed the “hacker hunters” lack
of knowledge about his “enemy”.

At about 10:46 of this video: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4901282n
They show a picture of what they claim is a russian hacker group and even point to one
saying this guy is called Tempest etc.

Little does he know he has just been pwned by a Finnish internet joke and that the picture
is about 5 years old.

This picture was originally used as part of an internet joke called Isän Maan Puollustajat:
http://www.pelulamu.net/viznut/web/isanmaa/
Basicly the picture was taken from IRC-Galleria (http://irc-galleria.net/index.php) and then
added to a page with a lot of badly writen neo-nazi huff and buff and has been online for
at least 5 years. The guys in the picture were neo-nazis, but have apparently given that
up once they grew up.

As a funny coincidence the name Tempest is the name of a finnish demoscener whose
work was stolen by Timbaland (judge yourself based on the evidence, I believe it tho,
Timbaland is a waste of air if you ask me), the same guy who came up with the joke was
also collecting material for Tempest vs. Timbaland: http://www.pelulamu.net/timbaland/

So, maybe CBS should do a bit more fact checking on who they have on as their “experts”.
There is a lot of Finns laughing at 60minutes right now and this “news” is actually been
picked up by a lot of the mainstream media as well.

Just thought I let you know, maybe you at least get a good laugh out of it, I know finland has :)

Love the show as they all seem to say.

//uskomaton
A Finn living in Swede

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by stigmattaman March 31, 2009 1:19 PM PDT
Don't let them get you down Nat. You're great, and a million times better than Molly.
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by prostr8 March 31, 2009 4:13 PM PDT
I like Molly and I miss her as a regular on the show, but Natalie's unique personality brings value of its own to the table that shouldn't be so quickly compared to Molly's or anyone else's. I value Natalie's contributions and with Molly spinning off to work other projects, I can't think of a better person to round out the show.

Natalie, Matthew's acting like a jerk with a nasty attitude and he doesn't deserve another moment of your time.
by galanz March 31, 2009 2:14 PM PDT
Interesting that I've never heard similar comments about Veronica.
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by prostr8 March 31, 2009 4:19 PM PDT
Well, Matthew is but one person and my suspicion is that his opinion is not shared amongst the vast majority of viewers. Perhaps it's simply that Matthew wasn't around to insult Veronica when she was here.
by gbouten March 31, 2009 4:01 PM PDT
Why is does Nat's video always look so poor?
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by demonjrules March 31, 2009 4:30 PM PDT
Because in the NY studio where she is based is still using the webcam as a video feed where as the SF studio has the real video cameras. The NY studio should be getting them as soon as Jason makes a trip out there.
by prostr8 March 31, 2009 4:36 PM PDT
Is her feed coming from NYC? Different equipment, different output? Maybe they're compressing her stream more to bring it cross country vs. in-studio recording. Dunno. Good question.
by prostr8 March 31, 2009 4:28 PM PDT
Really, people, if you don't like the show, don't listen. Personal attacks like this are hurtful, and frankly, childish. If you have constructive feedback, I'm sure the team would welcome it, but insults like we heard today serve no productive purpose. If anything, they take away from the personality of the show because the hosts have to constantly be on-guard for fear that they might slip up and get crucified for it.

If you want to be a jerk, go do it somewhere else. Don't ruin it for the rest of us.
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by demonjrules March 31, 2009 4:28 PM PDT
(CBS) A correction: 60 Minutes made a mistake in using a photograph in our story called "The Internet is Infected." The picture was described in the story as a group of young Russian computer hackers which was inaccurate. The picture, provided to us by an Internet security company, had appeared on a Russian hacker magazine Web site.
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by wallet55 March 31, 2009 5:05 PM PDT
I think the comment was cruel and over the top as well, but if the intent (as the bracketing text of the most offensive comment suggested) was to make Nat feel what it is like to be stereotyped, he certainly did that. That they then proceeded to refer to the "flyover" states makes me wonder if they still don't get his point.
For the record, I know that small towns can be backwards and boring....just as I know that a pretty face can open some doors. Neither of which means that all pretty girls succeed only because of their looks, or that everyone in small towns are morons.
For my part, keep on with the regionists comments, it keeps my commute and housing costs reasonable.
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by galanz March 31, 2009 6:10 PM PDT
I noticed the 'flyover' comment as well. Kind of ironic.
by stump172 April 2, 2009 7:46 AM PDT
While trying to show that she wasn't being elitist, she mentioned something about people who don't live in "The Cities". Classic. Which cities was she talking about? Fort Worth, Cleveland?
by lboban March 31, 2009 6:07 PM PDT
While Matthew's comments are rudely phrased (shame on you Matthew!), I have to agree with the basic sentiment. Natalie doesn't have the chops to play with the grownups. Veronica earned her way on to the show gradually with insights and information. Natalie was placed there by the CBS powers that be. She works great on the Early Show with a teleprompter and limited time to speak. BOL requires that participants be incredibly knowledgeable and quick witted.

Do your homework, Natalie. This is a show where a voice coach and a personal trainer won't help you.
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by ramstheman March 31, 2009 8:22 PM PDT
I have to agree with the email, Natali is not a good fit on this show. I think the email was a bit over the top, but I can see where he was coming from, Nat has offended groups more than once. I really do not think she means to, I just don't think she can keep up with this type of show and just blurts things out. Look, this podcast was the best there was before Molly left and Nat took over. We have been patient, but it is going downhill, look at the show titles this week. Get back to BOL 08, stop trying to be the 404, next thing you know you will have Margret Chow on the show telling poop jokes.
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by FusedArtist March 31, 2009 9:48 PM PDT
Dear Matthew,

I would like to ask you a simple question: Really?

Are you really offended by Natali's innocuous comments, which were made as a joke?

I find it hard to take your comments seriously, in fact, I suspect you are one of the *very* small number of morons who have been throwing a nerd tantrum here on the BOL forums, and writing your little nasty comments in e-mails, taking every opportunity to attack Natali, because your little nerd crushes got stomped when Molly chose to step back.

In fact, after reading your little tantrum again, I have to laugh. I'm sure the people who made the decision to bring Natali in looked at her resume, her professional training, her two degrees, her experience with tech journalism, and most importantly the chemistry she clearly has with Tom and Jason, and oh yeah, she's attractive. OH NOES, she's so wrong for the job!

Funny, you and the other little haters running around the forums and here in the comments making your snarky little comments never had a problem with Veronica being cute, or Molly. Odd, that. Both of them made much, much worse comments -in jest - than Natali has (in jest as well), but curiously, you were silent then.

Get over it, Matthew. Find another podcast to listen to, your childish behavior is not welcome, and quite frankly, we won't miss you. We know what you're trying to do. It won't work.

I'm sorry you have all of those wierd feelings you can't handle, ever since Molly announced she was stepping back. I'm sorry your nerd crush is keeping you from enjoying the show, which is as good as always. But seriously? You never had a shot with Molly. She's happily married - and she chose to step back. (And I'm sure had a big part in the decision to bring in Natali).

In fact, I'm going to close this in the estimable and wise words of Molly Wood herself:

Matthew: Suck it.

Sincerely,

Gadzooks, and the BOL chat room.
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by Anon1980 April 1, 2009 1:20 AM PDT
I think that Natali has done the hard yards in working for Textra, Wired etc. She good work in Loaded and as an up and comer they had her join BOL. I think in regards to her the fact that she is located in NYC where they get latency and also can't pick up on visual cues like if they were all in one studio makes it difficult for her. I think that the constant interruption of SF people or NYC people due to the latency does not help anyone get comfortable and relaxed doing the show. I note what with the change to the better cameras there is less issues as the people in NYC can pick up on the visual cues. I hope that it improves with the new cameras in the NYC studio.

In terms of constructive criticism I would like to say that Natali has to own up to a joke especially if it falls flat as otherwise people think that she is been serious, which could be a reason for the misunderstanding from Matthew. Can I also state that I have noticed there been more "low brow' humour in BOL, which might be something Natali is bringing to the show or it could be a management decision, but I for one don't appreciate it. Previously the show had humour that did not have to go to the level of "urine nation".

I do love the show and I do enjoy Natali's smiling voice coming through my Podcast of indeterminate length.
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by cparish April 1, 2009 6:39 AM PDT
I believe the "low brow" is seeping in form the 404.
by AWuchner April 1, 2009 4:35 AM PDT
My team created a great step by step instruction how to identify and fix Conficker infections on all kind of Windows systems including domain controllers. You can find the details as usual at my blog at http://ITRiskSpace.com

Enjoy
-Andreas
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by cparish April 1, 2009 6:29 AM PDT
I don't agree with personal attacks and saying Natali only has her job because of her looks. Natali is very talented. But I have to say Natali 's "jokes" about certain demographics have a little bite and many times I pause and wonder if I have just been slammed. I usually just write it off to Natali's youth. But Natali sort of proved Mathew's point by saying at the end of her rant "I do know what the fly over states are like" "Flyover state" is considered derogatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyover_country
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by April 1, 2009 6:31 AM PDT
All I have to say to Nat is, be yourself. Your core audience consists of normal, everyday people. Most of us don't have trainers or vocal coaches and our dads don't own planes. The comments really don't bother me but I can see how some may be offended. The "Flyover states" comment did't help your cause either. Everyone loved Molly because she was so down to earth. I'm not suggesting you should try to be like Molly but remember who listens to the show.
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by baatkin65 April 1, 2009 6:53 AM PDT
I do take offense to the flyover state comment and a few other jokes that have made the podcast lately. I'm from Indiana (one of those flyover states) and I like sweet tea.

Whether they mean it or not, it comes out as a slam for those of us who don't jet between NY and CA or don't have the access or the priviledge to enjoy the finer things in life.

In the end, I think Matthew's comments were a bit strong, but I think his point was valid. This show as a listener base that extends beyond the world you live in. If you plan on being a fixture in the press Natalie, I don't think you should publicly acknowledge things like this other than to just apologize for the comment and move on. You have bright career ahead of you and things like this are going happen all the time.

Brett
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by lewissalem April 1, 2009 6:58 AM PDT
When you put yourself out there, not everybody is going to like you. It's not sexist for pointing out that Natili comes across gruff. She should of just let it go instead of going on the attack against the "sexist" people who find her to be condescending. It's really to bad because I think that she's smart and a tech savvy person who adds a lot to the show.
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by ronhawker April 1, 2009 9:20 AM PDT
I sure agree with the Apple coverage comment. I can't understand how you guys (tech media in general) just continue to allow yourselves to be manipulated over and over again into talking about Apple which has such a small part of the market.

Is it really just we cover it because we want to be cool?
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by BiggerThanYoda April 1, 2009 9:55 AM PDT
If you compare OSX to Windows, yeah it has a small market share. But if you compare Apple to Dell, HP, Asus, etc... well, Apple is currently the sixth largest PC manufacturer. Are you saying that BOL should only cover the top five PC manufacturers? (I imagine that if you consider just the consumer market, Apple is probably even better represented.) And lets face it, BOL is not exactly an enterprise tech show. Besides, you've hit the nail on the head--Apple products are cool. Why would any show want to spend all its time covering boring crap?
by BiggerThanYoda April 1, 2009 9:44 AM PDT
Guys,

I don't know what kind of schools you went to, but I haven't been able to cite an encyclopedia of any kind since I was in, like, elementary school. In university I was required to use primary and secondary sources for my research papers. Encyclopedias are generally considered tertiary sources. But, like Jason was saying, Wikipedia and other encyclopedias are good starting places when doing research on a new topic. Also, I recall a study a while ago that indicated that Wikipedia was only slightly less reliable than the Encyclopedia Britannica, but that it was much more comprehensive. The Encyclopedia Britannica uses paid researchers/writers whereas we all know that Wikipedia uses volunteer contributors. Hey, I found this link at CNET of all places, http://news.cnet.com/Study-Wikipedia-as-accurate-as-Britannica/2100-1038_3-5997332.html

Hey, Brian, don't want to nitpick, but your fist has mass in space--it doesn't have weight.

And, Natali, as a Californian now living in the Midwest, I too didn't appreciate the "flyover states" comment. I think these kinds of comments contribute to the perception that people on the coasts are arrogant snobs. But, I'm glad you're on the show, hang in there, and put on some rhino skin--that whole entertainment world is a nasty place. Glad its you and not m
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by phaedrus_1973 April 1, 2009 10:08 AM PDT
I think that Natalie's "fly-over states" showed that either she didn't think about her response or really feels that way. I don't think she can brush off her geographic bias as jokes. But if you recall she hated that she had to move to NY when she got the Loaded job. In her defense though CNET put her in a no-win situation trying to do BOL from NY and she does much better when someone else is in the studio. I also like that she admits openly about taking voice lessons. I think her personality and demeanor can be similar to an air-head but she is hardly an air-head. I will say though that a new drinking game should be the number of times they mention the Early Show or another CBS show.
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by cparish April 1, 2009 10:21 AM PDT
Natali is young and is probably around a lot of people that do hold a bias. She has not experienced the "flyover states" herself so she is just reflecting the biases of others. This attitude also came across many times in political statements she has made. Natali, it sounds like you need to get out of the big city and meet some of the people you fly over.
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by cnewbster April 1, 2009 10:39 AM PDT
Natali,

I have been a longtime listener of BOL since about episode 80. I never call in or write emails, but truthfully, you do often make disparaging remarks about middle America and the South. You speak of your own broken spirit, but have you considered that you get so many complaints because your offensive remarks have a similar effect on those to whom they are directed? It is not "sexist" to point out that you made a mistake. You are compounding the error by not performing an honest self-examination, going back and listening to your many comments that there have been on the podcast and owning up to the fact that perhaps your world view is neither correct nor the only one out there. Rather, you are lashing out indiscriminately to all who have been injured by your own comments. That's hardly fair.

While I do not live in a "flyover state" (how demeaning a term!), I am from the South and there have been several comments that can only be interpreted as sectionalist, divisive and condescending.

As for your spirit, no one is trying to "break" you. We are asking you to recognize that as you broadcast from New York and routinely fly over the rest of us, you are still one of us.... and you don't have an inherent right to use your position to break our spirits.

All the talk of you getting the job based on your appearance, that is just so much garbage and I will not even address it.

Best of luck on the show and I look forward to seeing a change that I belive you are fuly capable of.

Cory, the longtime BOL listener in Maryland
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by phaedrus_1973 April 1, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
Cory,
Thank you for your response as it more adequately expressed my thoughts than my own post.
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