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May 1, 2009 2:11 PM PDT

Science mag warns: 'Could the Net become self-aware?'

by Dan Ackerman
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"Excuse me, is Sarah Conner home?"

It sounds like an Astroturf campaign for the upcoming computers-gone-bad movie "Terminator: Salvation," but in fact New Scientist magazine is being completely serious when it asks if the Internet itself could soon become "self-aware." The article explains:

In engineering terms, it is easy to see qualitative similarities between the human brain and the Internet's complex network of nodes, as they both hold, process, recall, and transmit information.

Fortunately for anyone worrying about how to best serve our new robot overlords, the article points out that even if this does come to pass, it won't, "necessarily have the same kind of consciousness as humans," because consciousness can be described as, "a system of mechanisms for making information processing more efficient by adding a level of control over which of the brain's processes get the most resources."

Quoted is University of Brussels researcher Francis Heylighen, who says, somewhat ominously, "We probably would not notice a whole lot of a difference, initially," and adds that the principal task a self-aware network would undertake would be to identify where it has knowledge gaps and discover how to fill them.

Until it figures out how to send a killer robot back in time, that is.

(Via io9.com)

New York native Dan Ackerman, a former radio DJ turned journalist, has written about technology and music for publications including Spin, Blender, The Hollywood Reporter, and USA Today. He hosts the weekly Digital City podcast and the New York edition of Editors' Office Hours. Dan's new album, Tales Out of Night School, is available now. E-mail Dan.
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by b3baby May 1, 2009 5:02 PM PDT
What if it gets depressed and tries to kill itself?
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by blusky08 May 4, 2009 7:01 PM PDT
This is actually a more valid comment than you'd think. Even if a network could become conscious, it would lack the primitive biological forces that drive creatures to make "good" or "evil" decisions. A desire to act in any given way requires instinctual, hormonal, emotional, etc., influences.
by subsider34 May 1, 2009 6:54 PM PDT
Making Wikipedia all the more complete.
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by prague_hotel May 2, 2009 5:47 AM PDT
I didn't understand this. Is it like the internet coming to life and doing whatever it likes without humans as its higher conscience? castle steps here I come!
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by pentest May 2, 2009 7:28 AM PDT
Yeeaaahhhh.

I have yet to see a neural network or evolutionary algorithm that can come close to human cognition. So how is a collection of unrelated nodes in a network that do not employ any sort of soft computing techniques are going to suddenly become "self aware"?
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by viper396 May 4, 2009 9:54 AM PDT
Are you scientifically qualified to to even comment on the concepts of self awareness and cognition let alone question what you admittedly haven't seen?

...just another wannabe "expert" commenting on stuff they know nothing about.
by Myshkin57 May 4, 2009 1:49 PM PDT
"Are you scientifically qualified to to even comment on the concepts of self awareness and cognition let alone question what you admittedly haven't seen?"

It's not science that's needed to discuss those concepts and I don't see how science could provide you with an understanding of them. Science has to start out with an understanding of concepts arrived at through other means in order to form any theories or test hypotheses.

...just another wannabe citing "science" as the end-all, be-all of every investigation.
by Renegade Knight May 4, 2009 6:27 PM PDT
@viper396

Given science can't touch this. Not even scientists are qualified. Quite frankly it's not science since science can't get a grip on it.
by NervClaX May 2, 2009 7:37 AM PDT
Maybe bandwidth caps and traffic shaping aren't such bad ideas after all...see?
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by tipoo_ May 2, 2009 8:59 AM PDT
Oooh, that would be cool. Skynet@Home anyone?

Imagine if every computer linked to the internet was used as a neuron.
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by Eludium-Q36 May 2, 2009 6:43 PM PDT
Just as likely to become self-aware as other networks have NOT: telephone network, cellphone network, satellite comms networks, banking and financial networks - heck, that one shows how stupid an interconnected network can be! No, we're a LONG LONG way from self-aware networks or databases.
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by DarkHawke May 2, 2009 10:57 PM PDT
There's no reason to worry. Think about it. Given how the 'net is used now, if it became self-aware, it would be mostly concerned with getting more porn, so it'd have a compelling reason to NEVER kill off humanity. QED.
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by TimBaker--2008 May 3, 2009 6:34 AM PDT
Hey, maybe it (he/she?) can filter all of the spam and malware out for us!
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by illegallydead May 3, 2009 8:50 AM PDT
I would be interested to read the full article, but as others have mentioned, I'm not sure how this could feasibly come to pass in the remotely near future. Just because you have the linkages does not mean that they can all of a sudden control themselves and work as one self-aware organism of sorts...
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by Myshkin57 May 3, 2009 9:11 AM PDT
For any who think this is possible, I encourage you to look up Searle's "Chinese Room" thought-experiment. Whatever the problems with the thought-experiment, it provides a good illustration as to why you should think that it is impossible for digital computers to think, at least so long as they function the way that they now function.
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by myles taylor May 3, 2009 9:50 AM PDT
And there is no way we can be sure that they will continue to function the way they currently do, now can we?
by Myshkin57 May 4, 2009 1:45 PM PDT
@Myles:

Well, they may in the future function differently, but that would require a radical change. We're nowhere near that. If something called 'the web' became aware, it would have to be something a lot different from the things we currently call 'the web'.
by ddcool1124 May 3, 2009 11:37 AM PDT
CNet articles are getting worse and worse everyday. I miss the 90s CNET.
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by polis12 May 4, 2009 8:02 AM PDT
I second this comment and make a motion to put it to vote.
by DiggumFrog May 3, 2009 7:34 PM PDT
Ho-Lee crap! The internet's gonna be pissed when it sees Goatse. Somebody hide 4chan right now!
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by Wookiee-1138 May 3, 2009 8:55 PM PDT
Shhh... Listen! I think I hear Douglas Hofstadter orgasming.
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by poultryfish May 3, 2009 9:06 PM PDT
Well, I did read a Wired article stating that all the computers in the world (on the Internet) have the same processing power as a human brain (at that point ~8 months ago). Now all we need is to make a program that can run across all of them , at the same time (can we put all worldwide transactions/communications on hold?), and let them communicate with each other, as neurons would. Then, and only then, would we have Skynet. I mean, in the end it turned out to be computer software, right?
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by Swooley May 3, 2009 9:16 PM PDT
Ok this is actually really cool. If it does become Skynet like I'm gonna be John Connor, but if it is more benevolent it could do sorta like igoogle but on a grand scale. That is to say it could use the behaviors of humans to better siphon what your actually looking for.
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by curtainman99 May 4, 2009 4:08 AM PDT
Better a series of interconnected neurons than a series of interconnected morons
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by lakkus May 4, 2009 6:48 AM PDT
win comment is win
by Stang5150 May 4, 2009 6:07 AM PDT
The end is near! Your doom will be sealed by the all powerful GOOGLE/MySpace/Facebook.
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by Renegade Knight May 4, 2009 7:02 AM PDT
Well heck. The MPAA, RIAA, and DOHS would immediatly drive it insane.
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by rnaoncfixd May 4, 2009 10:37 AM PDT
Oh, you mean like this?

http://tinyurl.com/2jlwyo
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