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The Real Deal 135: Retro software

by Tom Merritt
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Tom and Rafe take a trip down memory lane, describing older, defunct software they used to love...and hate.
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    Operating systems
  • Apple DOS
  • DosShell
  • DesqView
  • SpinRite
  • Xtree

    Programming languages
  • Productivity
  • WordStar
  • Sidekick
  • Echo
  • GrandView
  • WordPerfect
  • ASAP
  • Vizio
  • Dbase 2 and 3
  • Visicalc
  • SoundBlaster

    Voice recognition
  • (speed)

    Games
  • SimEarth
  • Rogue
  • NetHack
  • Zork
  • Deadline
  • FlightSim
  • Railroad Tycoon
  • Civ
  • SimCity
  • DosShell
  • MicroLeague
  • Baseball
  • Trumpet/WinSock
  • Vizio
  • VisiCalc

    Entertainment
  • WinAmp

    Software you don't miss
  • RealPlayer
  • Windows 3.1
  • CompuServ
  • Autoexec.bat

READER LISTS

My favorite old application no longer available was Musicmatch jukebox. I originally got it with my Dell DJ to manage my music, but I found I used it for much more. It had a very usable interface, a top-notch codec converter, internet radio and music store and much more. Sadly, I believe it was bought out by Yahoo, but their jukebox player is not nearly as good.

Jeff in Ohio


Rafe & Tom,

Here's my list of my Top 5 retrosoftware selections:

1. Word Perfect 5.1 for DOS This was a great word processor. I was a master of the Function Keys. I knew what every hotkey combination it had to offer. Then I found Microsoft Office and loved the idea using the mouse instead of hotkeys. frown

2. Lotus 1-2-3 This spreadsheet was more powerful than anything that Microsoft has every offered. The formula function was a lot easier to work with than what Excel offers.

3. dBase 4 I loved this database. I miss the days of using this program. Access made me scared of databases. I miss this old friend.

4. MS-DOS 6.22 The last true version of DOS. This is when users were POWER USERS! This version had it all: FDISK, DEFRAG, and anything you could imagine. Here's where you had control of your computer and the files on it. With every version of Windows releases, it makes us forget how good we had it then.

5. Logo Who could forget this programming language with the "turtle". First time I used this was back in the early 80's on my Commodore 64. Really could do anything worthwhile with it, but it was fun to mess around with it to see what shapes and designs I could make.

Thanks for reading my list, Mr. Corey Charette, Mine Hill, NJ


This might be somewhat relevant for the next episode on old software! Commodore BASIC is open source and can run on modern computers.

http://www.pagetable.com/?p=48 and http://lifehacker.com/5070289/re+run-your-first-program-with-commodore-basic

Regards, Waleed


Tom and Rafe,

This week you are talking about RetroSoftware?. What are your stances on abadonware? Is there a way to determine if software has truly been abandoned?

Thanks, Mr. Corey Charette, Mine Hill, NJ


VOICEMAIL

Jason in Nashville Memories of software - Raptor - Gotto - Wizardry - Word 2.0 (DOS) Wordprefect 5.1 - Lotus 1-2-3, DBase, Wing Commander

Tony Disposed my electronics using Google Maps

COMMENTS

In E133, you talked about disposal of used tech. One of the ways you mentioned was to sell it. Due to a house fire of my ex wife's house, I'm in a position that I need to replace all my 6 kids tech. Due to cost I'm mostly going the used route. However I'm concerned with scams and other intentional or unintentional problems this raises. Do you have suggestions for websites that would help me locate quality used tech. Thanks. Trucker Tim Sent from my BlackBerry? Smartphone provided by Alltel


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by GaryInIN November 5, 2008 9:10 AM PST
FYI - This show is not up on iTunes.
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by ptrhansen November 5, 2008 9:49 AM PST
Show brought back some memories, one game I miss greatly that wasn't mentioned was Syndicate by Bullfrog software (the sequel was a completely different look and control structure - sucked) but a large part of the joy was making fun of parts of the game with friends.

Had to manually download as well as it isn't showing up on iTunes as of 1 pm Eastern
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by wallet55 November 11, 2008 9:37 AM PST
I was dismayed to hear you talk about Spinrite in the past tense...was that an intentional dig at Leo's Security Now podcast. I had just fixed a new Toshiba Protege that morning with Spinrite 6 and have fixed several more in the past year.
It is hardly "retro" software!
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by similler November 18, 2008 8:05 AM PST
Tom mentioned that he used WordPerfect from Corel and Rafe commented that Corel WordPerfect was before WordPerfect as an independent company. He's got that backwards. WordPerfect sold out to Corel many years after the company WordPerfect Corp. was founded. I was a long time user of WordPerfect and really liked it. Their problem was that they didn't think Windows would go anywere and waited too long to jump on the Windows bandwagon. The DOS version of WordPerfect was far superior to any of the other DOS word processing software packages. I have also used SpinRite from version 1 until the current version 6. It is still a great piece of software.
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