November 10, 2009 10:10 AM PST

The 404 Podcast 464: Where we drop an F-bomb on Modern Warfare 2

by Justin Yu
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The much-anticipated and controversial Modern Warfare 2 finally arrives in retail stores today, which gives us an excuse to invite AOL GameDaily.com's Libe Goad to give us some insight into all the action. Although it's definitely not the first Call of Duty game, Libe and Jeff tell us it's the most controversial of the pack, with disturbing scenes that let you take the side of terrorists.

It's hard to believe anything can be scarier than making the trip down to Chinatown, NYC, to pick up your "advanced" copy, though. Don't call it a bootleg; the copies they're selling down there are actually legit, a first for Canal St. merchants. And although they cost the same as copies from the big box stores, Modern Warfare 2 has been available at these "select retailers" for the past week! Good to know I live in such a respectable part of NYC.

Yesterday's episode sparked such a heated conversation about censorship, video game and movie ratings, and parenting video gamers that we're happy to revisit the topics today, with Libe's valuable industry input, of course! This time, we address the world of online gaming that's brought a new level of offensive material to young people who might not understand the implications of their trash-talking. With no moderators to police Xbox Live or PSN, players are allowed to communicate directly with each other, which often results in racist and misogynistic epithets. Tune in to today's episode to listen to our opinion on what should be done.

Finally, we hate to take the spotlight away from Libe, but we've been resisting the urge to announce our guest for the past week. We finally got the green light, so we're happy to announce that Tony Hawk will be in The 404 studio on Monday, November 16, to chat with us about his latest game, Tony Hawk: Ride and maybe even do a live in-studio demo! Start thinking up questions, as we'll most likely be taking questions from the audience as well.


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Justin Yu covers desktop computers, printers, and peripherals for CNET. When he's not scouring eBay for useless ephemera or eating hot dogs for breakfast, he spends his time making fun of Internet culture every morning on The 404 podcast. E-mail Justin.
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by HokieMatt November 10, 2009 12:20 PM PST
Holy smokes, not to take anything away from Shaun White, but getting Tony Hawk as a guest is huge! Congrats guys! Looking forward to that show.
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by SofaKingUgly November 10, 2009 12:30 PM PST
Hey guys just listened to the show and I have to agree with Jeff, there is too much racism on xbox live. I played a lot of multiplayer since I had my 360 and most of the time, it's not even the rednecks that are racists. You can file a complaint on someone but I'm not sure that does anything. You can also avoid people so you won't get matched up with them. However, I haven't noticed it as much since I usually play online with friends now and we all talk in a party chat.
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by sadacori November 10, 2009 1:11 PM PST
There's not only racism in online gaming, but rude behavior too. I did the PSO (Phantasy Star Online) thing in the early 2000s and playing with other countries (Japan, Europe, etc) was a fun thing. EXCEPT when some immature US (United States) players would steal, cheat, and say racist things. I know that this made a lot of Japanese players reluctant to play with US people because of this. In essence, the way those particular US players behaved was a reflection on the US as a country and this was just another reason for the rest of the world to hate and not trust us. :(
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by SofaKingUgly November 10, 2009 2:27 PM PST
There's always going to be people who act like ******* online no matter what country they are from.
by brianwcu November 10, 2009 4:28 PM PST
C&C games let you be the 'terrorist' a long time ago. Nothing new, guess it is just the times.
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by brianwcu November 10, 2009 4:35 PM PST
And the moral choices are an old ploy as well from other games, but like I said maybe it is just how they decide to do it? Do they give the player a choice or is it like 'your doing this whether you want to or not'?
by jamesjimmy23 November 10, 2009 5:27 PM PST
Ok, this isn't really related to anything that was on today's podcast but did you see the YouTube video where they autotuned "viral" videos? They did the Kanye and Taylor Swift award, Chairlie Bit my Finger, and of course Ballon Boy!
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by jamesjimmy23 November 10, 2009 5:27 PM PST
Woops forgot to link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMbVPMzSqYY&feature=sub
by drone207A November 10, 2009 6:33 PM PST
Im somewhat new to XBOX Live and I am already sick of playing and hearing 14 year-olds!
I love trash talk just as much as anyone... but I wish there was a way of filtering out the kids!
Thinking of starting a site to connect adult gamers or if something like this exists please let me know.
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by guyfromtrinidad November 10, 2009 8:29 PM PST
Hi guys I just listened to Monday and Tuesday's episode back to back and sent you an email before I got to the part where you said but it in the comments. My bad. Anyways I just wanted to link you to a presentation on TED that sorts of jibes with Wilson's comments on children's development and they way they view the world(BTW, Wilson your comments over the last two days have been spot on) the link is http://www.ted.com/talks/rebecca_saxe_how_brains_make_moral_judgments.html.
Also just to remind you the ESRB ratings are a guide and should be taken as such. It caters for a wide crossection of the population and as such cannot be specific so that is why they say it "may" be considered inappropriate for children under a certain age. (the ESRB site is actually a good site check it out). The problem is when governments like Australia decide what is and what isn't good for their population.

And for the 13 year old and the 17 year old who said the games don't affect them. It does. Its media, it provokes and internal reaction and sometimes you are aware of it sometines its more subtle, when I read Animal Farm I became more critical of authority, when I saw Malcom X I became more militant, when watch Glee i become more....ok I won't go there. Anyways great show once again guys.
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by rhapsodyartist November 11, 2009 6:09 AM PST
I love TED talks.
by RyaninMI November 10, 2009 9:14 PM PST
Ask him to tell you the Suck-Fart story of his friend. :) It was in his book with the orange cover from about 8 years back. It is awesome.
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by bigDumbBear November 11, 2009 12:40 AM PST
The whole racism and trash talking will always be incorporated with online gaming. In most games you can mute a player pretty easily like in halo. I will admit that i have said some things online that I would definitely not say in public (my mind may have been under the influence ;), but if your playing seriously with your friends and serious opponents than you will have a great online competitive experience. On xbox live you can report these kind of things but i'm not sure if someone's account has actually been canceled because they were talking inappropriately online (the whole freedom of speech issue comes to mind).

I also can't believe this whole topic of under aged kids playing m rated games/explicit lyrics/r-rated movies has been discussed for 2 straight days. It seems when there is a controversial game about to come out, this becomes everybody's favorite subject. I remember when GTA came out and people were tripping balls because there was some racy cut scenes. IDK maybe because i'm not a kid and don't have any so it seems stupid but you guys made a good point on how it comes down to the parent and the kids communicating and getting on the same level.

Big ups on getting Tony Hawk! Please set up a real and reliable demo, I want to see if this whole real skateboard thing is practical.
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by Nicholas_M November 11, 2009 5:04 AM PST
Remember those days when you would use game chat to strategise. But now there is so much trash talk and racism on the game chat that you tend to mute the majority of players. Although the trash talk in games is nothing compared to 4chan. I spent 2 minutes on that site and... well wished I hadn't. The racism that goes on there is completely insane. People in public don't even speak like that. Quite often people say things on email and SMS that they would never say in person.

In relation to this game rating issue, I see game ratings as a guide that advises you on the type of content. But when governments start to censor the media that the public can view, That becomes a real problem.
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by curtisboyle November 11, 2009 9:02 AM PST
If you haven't checked out the spoof for Modern Warfare 3 on The Onion yet, check it out - it's hilarious.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ultra_realistic_modern_warfare
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