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February 29, 2008 6:12 PM PST

Lenovo doesn't support Windows

Posted by Michael Horowitz
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Last week I mentioned that Lenovo's technical support wouldn't accept a minidump to help me debug a Windows failure on a new ThinkCentre A61 tower (see Debugging Windows crashes with minidumps? Not at Lenovo). Now I know why. Lenovo does not support Windows.

Note: Normally, when a computer is purchased with Windows pre-installed, tech support for Windows is provided by the computer manufacturer, not by Microsoft. To get Microsoft support for Windows requires a retail purchase of the operating system. Someone commented below that anyone can call Microsoft for paid technical support with Windows. I haven't tried this. (added March 1, 2008)

I was told by a Lenovo technician that their software support is limited to Lenovo ThinkVantage software. If they feel like it, they may help you download a driver, but they won't stay on the phone and won't walk you through installing the driver. So who will? Lenovo Experts Live will. For a price.

As far as I know this is not a time related issue. The computer I called for help with, was new. The Lenovo Experts Live website says nothing about their taking over after an initial period where software support is free. In fact, it says nothing about the services that are provided free with a new Lenovo computer vs. the services you have to pay for.

In their own words:

"Lenovo Experts Live is designed to provide you 100% U.S. based technical service to your hardware and software issues, how-to questions, and problems. Whether you're under warranty but have questions on issues not covered, or you're out-of-warranty but still need help, Lenovo has experts to address your technical problems ... Whether you have a networking issue, a software 'how to' question, a virus or spyware problem, or need help setting up your home office peripherals, Lenovo experts can help."

Providing software technical support is expensive and time consuming. It is, perhaps, unrealistic to expect it included for free in the price of a personal computer. If low end computers don't include technical support as a way of keeping the price down, fair enough. But hardware manufacturers should be honest and up-front about it.

Finally, Lenovo Experts Live does not inspire confidence when the web page they link to, that supposedly provides a list of their services, does no such thing.


Update. February 29, 2008. Lenovo makes it difficult to reach their tech support. Could this be designed to steer people to the paid support? You decide:

If you call Lenovo for tech support, instead of getting connected or placed in a queue, you're given a different phone number to call 800-426-7378. This is an IBM phone number. Mostly. The main voice menu only has choices for IBM, nothing for Lenovo.

Getting started requires choosing between hardware support or software support. Pinpointing the source of a problem as either hardware or software can be very difficult. Unless the computer is smoking, this can be an impossible choice to make, both for techies and non-techies.

But, no matter which way a Lenovo customer starts out, there are many voice menu options standing between them and Lenovo tech support. At one point, I made a wrong choice in the maze of menus. I ended up speaking to a polite, patient man who spoke perfect English, yet we had a total disconnect. Finally, he asked if I was calling about an IBM computer. I wasn't. He worked for IBM. Oops.

Lenovo is a huge company. They can't get their own phone number?


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by waspenx February 29, 2008 6:51 PM PST
from your words, i think it's not Lenovo's fault not to provide support on WIndows' problem. And it's quite obvious that the Lenovo Experts Live is not free from their statement. Maybe what they need to do is clarify the difference.
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by montegard February 29, 2008 7:58 PM PST
Um... Maybe call Microsoft for a Microsoft problem. I think you are stating the obvious here "Lenovo does not support Windows" of course not Microsoft supports Windows. I think waspenx is on the right page here and I'm not sure what Michael was expecting.
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by j_a_s_p_e_r February 29, 2008 8:43 PM PST
Actually he is right, part of the price cut in OEM software is that the OEM version does not included Microsoft support. On a Windows OEM version in the "system" control panel item it will give you the DELL or other manufacturer contact information for support.
by TechieTrekkie February 29, 2008 9:11 PM PST
It's a conspiracy. All of the major computer companies are secretly about to switch to linux, and they are trying to make you dislike Microsoft (as if it was hard)...
mwuahahaha...
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by psyop15 February 29, 2008 9:18 PM PST
And of course, everyone is forgetting that Microsoft does not support OEM versions of Windows, which is most likely what is installed on the Lenovo machine. So, no OS support from anyone! Woo-hoo!
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by nonpareilsorell February 29, 2008 10:34 PM PST
I'm shocked that you were able to get in touch with them at all. I have a lenovo X60 tablet and my thinkvantage software wont' work; specifically the power management software. But I can't find a number to contact lenovo.
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by x2lector March 1, 2008 2:28 AM PST
Call 1-800-IBM-SERV be sure to have the four digit model number handy.

IBM still provides in-warranty technical support services for most Lenovo models including the X60 tablet. Your model number is what routes the call to the correct call center.
by theoxygenthief March 1, 2008 2:17 AM PST
Now I'm really going to shock you....did you know Apple doesn't offer technical support for Windows either? And Microsoft doesn't offer iTunes support? Who would have guessed.....
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by x2lector March 1, 2008 2:38 AM PST
With OEM copies of operating systems, calling Microsoft will get you transfered to your hardware manufacture who will most likely tell you they don't provide OS support beyond letting you know how to reload your machine back to it's original factory condition, where in all probability Windows will work fine. If I had a Windows problem that I really wanted solved, I would call Microsoft and be ready to pay to get them to help me find a resolution. I have heard that on some issues where it really is a problem with their product they don't always charge the consumer.
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by Sumatra-Bosch March 1, 2008 5:19 PM PST
They have your money. Expect to have a big middle finger stuffed into your face from MSFT, from Lenovo and everyone else in the channel. MSFT has lowered expectations in every aspect of computer usage to the point where vendors of everything take it for natural that you can stomp on the customer's face and laugh and the customer will just accept the abuse as the normal course of things.

You buy a windows machine - expect nothing but horror and abuse - and to see Steve Ballmer grab your pets and eat them in front of you while gagging on his own twisted laughter. Windows is its own punishment.
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by ruminator March 1, 2008 10:06 PM PST
Amen brother sumatra-bosch.
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Michael Horowitz is an independent computer consultant and the author of several classes on Defensive Computing. He views Defensive Computing as taking steps, when things are running well, to avoid or minimize the inevitable problems down the road. It's about educating yourself to the level where you can make your own intelligent decisions about keeping your computers and data happy and healthy. If you depend on computers, yet are on your own, without an IT department or nearby nerd, this blog's for you. His personal web site is michaelhorowitz.com.

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