April 10, 2008 9:23 AM PDT

Long songs slated for extinction?

by Matt Rosoff
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Jello Biafra likes short songs, but there's an undeniable pleasure in long songs. "Hey Jude" (7:11) was groundbreaking at the time, especially for a 45rpm single, but it's really a typical three-minute Beatles song with a four-minute outro. To me, the first true rock epic was Pink Floyd's 1971 opus "Echoes" (23:25). Unlike their 1970 record-breaker, "Atom Heart Mother" (23:44), which was four instrumental sections stitched together into a single track, "Echoes" was a real unified song with a traditional verse-chorus-verse structure--along with a really long instrumental mid-section including several minutes of whale sounds. Like all great long songs, the individual parts seem relevant and necessary to the whole, although the funk jam/guitar solo that precedes the whale sounds is a bit overdone and could be used as a bathroom break.

Rick Wakeman eat your heart out: Neil Young's latest studio album has two tracks that top 14 minutes.

Instrumental "post rock" bands like Tortoise, Sigur Ros, and Godspeed You Black Emperor specialize in 10-minute-plus epics, and Fantomas purposely tracked their 2004 album Delirium Cordia as a single 74-minute track, although it consists almost entirely of broken fragmented bits of music (as all Fantomas albums do), plus a 15-minute outro of near-silence.

I picked up Neil Young's latest studio CD, Chrome Dreams II, for a bargain price a couple weeks ago in New York, and finally sat down to give it a straight through attentive listen last night. It's a mixed bag--I liked it a lot better than Pitchfork did, but I'm a big fan of his mid-'70s and early-'90s stuff, which this resembles. But the reason I bought it was the long songs. Neil's never been afraid of stretching a song out to six, seven, even ten minutes, but this one has two all-time stemwinders on it: "No Hidden Path" at 14:26 and "Ordinary People," which clocks in at a Neil-record 18:12. Neither is as strong as his last epic, 1994's "Change Your Mind" (14:39)--the long bent guitar note in the middle of that song is the pivotal point where the entire album (the excellent Sleeps with Angels) changes. But both of the new epics have a nice effect--they're slow and repetitive enough to have a hypnotic or meditative effect, but varying enough to capture your continuing attention. In this random-shuffle quick-twitch short-attention-span world, it's nice to sit in one place and just listen to somebody perform variations on the same theme for fifteen or twenty minutes.

Unfortunately, the music industry is inevitably moving back to a singles-driven business model, enabled by iTunes and other download services, which allow users to buy only the songs they know they like. I'm as guilty as any fan--whenever a long song comes up on random shuffle, I almost always skip to the next track. Long songs just don't fit into the shuffle paradigm--I want to be surprised, to have my mood shifted rapidly between heavy metal and 70's R&B, not sit down and listen to an artistic statement from start to finish. (I collect records for that.)

In this world, I wonder how many artists will feel encouraged to stretch a song beyond the typical three-to-five minutes that most listeners will tolerate in the middle of a playlist. It's sad, but apart from live jams, the long rock epic is probably as dated as a wanking guitar solo and paisley. Of course, there's always classical music.

Matt Rosoff is an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news. He's written about the technology industry since 1995, and reviewed the first Rio MP3 player for CNET.com in 1998. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network. Disclosure. You can follow Matt on Twitter @mattrosoff.
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by matt_ryan April 10, 2008 12:59 PM PDT
Interesting take, Matt. I wonder if perhaps it comes down to listening style.

I listen to a number of artists with long songs. Dream Theater, one of my favorite bands, comes to mind (the best example being the title track to "Octavarium" clocking in at 24 minutes), with roughly 25% of their songs over 10 minutes long. I don't recall ever skipping one of their songs because of length. In fact, I like it when songwriters let the song develop and complete itself properly instead of trying to cram it into just a few minutes.

I don't see song length ever becoming an issue for me. But perhaps my listening style is not really that typical. Or perhaps I'm just getting too old.
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by MattRosoff April 10, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
When I'm listening to a full album, I love the long songs--they tie the album together. I also sometimes insert them into custom playlists that I play at parties, for particular road trips, and so on. It's only when I'm randomly shuffling through a large number of songs that I tend to skip the long ones.
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by JadedGamer April 14, 2008 3:20 AM PDT
The problem with digital downloads and length is that e.g. iTuines scharges the same for a twenty-second intro to a song as they do for a 20-minute prog epic. Case in point: Norwegian prog group Motorpsycho's latest album, "Little Lucid Moments" consists of four tracks from 11 to 21 minutes in length. Now, all of those are over iTunes' "Album only" length, but the lengths should be up to the artists not the record companies.

If the Big four insist on capping lengths of songs because of this "singles market" (or the iTunes limit of 8-10 minutes depending on use of iTunes Plus or not), real artists will just leave them and go to independent companies instead. And still sell their music on iTunes as a lot of independent companies already do...
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Matt Rosoff is an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news. He's written about the technology industry since 1995 and reviewed the first Rio MP3 player for CNET.com in 1998. He's also a bass guitarist and an avid collector (and digitizer) of LP records. DISCLAIMER: This blog contains the personal opinions of the author and does not necessarily represent the opinions of his employers or of CNET Networks. As an IT industry analyst, the author occasionally agrees to nondisclosure agreements from Microsoft or other companies, and he will not violate the terms of such agreements on this blog.

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