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August 5, 2008 6:07 AM PDT

What copyright costs us

Posted by Matt Asay
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It was depressing to read that William Patry, Google's senior copyright counsel, has decided to stop blogging. With only occasional gusts of lucid intelligence in the blogging community, Patry's blog was a full-out gale.

Due to "crazies...who do not have a life of their own and so insist on ruining the lives of others" by comment-bombing Patry's blog, and due to the deteriorating use of copyright to harm rather than help, Patry has opted to leave the blogging building:

Copyright law has abandoned its reason for being: to encourage learning and the creation of new works. Instead, its principal functions now are to preserve existing failed business models, to suppress new business models and technologies, and to obtain, if possible, enormous windfall profits from activity that not only causes no harm, but which is beneficial to copyright owners. Like Humpty Dumpty, the copyright law we used to know can never be put back together again.

On the "crazies," I completely understand. Anonymity and geographical distance make people bold to say things that ought not be said. I'm also guilty of this. I suspect we all are. Some things are too easily said with a keyboard.

But on the latter, it's dispiriting to see confirmation from such a copyright expert that we may be past redemption. In both copyright and patent law, the powerful continue to hoard their power (which is natural), while judges and lawmakers seek to capitulate to that power (which is not natural--or shouldn't be).

We have extended copyright terms to the point of inanity--competition moves ever faster, to the point that technology copyrights and patents seem to be measured in decades. And then there is patent law, home of a widening array of specious, obvious patents.

And so we're increasingly getting the industry that we deserve: a collection of monolithic monuments to old ways of delivering value. Let's hope that Google, open source, software as a service, and other disruptions to the static way of doing business succeed (so that we can have new monopolists to topple 10 or 20 years from now :-).

Matt Asay is general manager of the Americas and vice president of business development at Alfresco, and has nearly a decade of operational experience with commercial open source and regularly speaks and publishes on open-source business strategy. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.
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by ikramerica--2008 August 5, 2008 7:15 AM PDT
This is absolute garbage. As a blogger about open source, you are welcome to your opinion. But as a content creator, the little guy, copyright is the ONLY protection I have against big companies from simply taking my work as their own. If you think the concept of protecting the little guy and the Constitution are outmoded, might I suggest moving to a little country which is hosting the Olympics this week and see how you like it?
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by The_Decider August 5, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
You are misunderstanding.

Copyright was meant to foster sharing of information while giving the creator a limited monopoly. The limited portion has been skewed out of proportion.

Contrary to popular belief, copyright is not their to protect big business, nor to protect you from big business.

It is there to encourage creativity so our country can have a healthy public domain. In 100 years the public domain will look very similar to how it does today and that will be extremely damaging to our once great country.
by Walter Calahan August 5, 2008 7:28 AM PDT
I am a creative content creator, aka, copyright owner.

This notion that someone having copyright protection is some how stopping innovation on the web is just plan stupid.

All it means is people don't want to pay for the creative energies of others.

My bank requires I pay my mortgage. Without payment of my creative property, how am I going to do that?????????????

Corporate America has already bought Congress to make the Orphan Works copyright changes, so they don't have to pay for content. They simply want to make a taller hurdle for small copyright holders to jump over to protect their work. "Oh gee, I made a good faith effort to see who owned this material, but YOU didn't register it with the Orphan Works government agency, so I don't have to pay you."

c/net news.com should lead the charge by giving their copyrighted material away for free.
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by noman1048 August 6, 2008 4:21 AM PDT
wow
by duerra August 5, 2008 7:52 AM PDT
When I work, I don't continue to get paid for that effort 50 years after I die. If I invent a new invention which redefines the world, I don't get life plus 50 years to reap a profit on that invention. I get 20 years (patent law). Copyright laws are obscene and ridiculous, and are in desperate need of change. Nobody deserves to have exclusive rights to something they said, wrote, or worked on 50 years ago. And guess what? Just because a copyright falls into the public domain doesn't mean that you still can't make money from it, either. Last I checked, books from great authors still sold and were making money for publishing companies, so if you have a creative work - continue to make sure you're publishing it and making some shavings!
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by demner August 5, 2008 7:53 AM PDT
Nobody is arguing that there should be no protection, but it should be pretty clear that the current protection is unworkable. Companies built around 'patent portfolios'??! I'm sure that's what George Washington had in mind.

Anyway, I highly doubt that if a big company really wanted your content their lawyers wouldn't be able to take it (or at least make the cost of defending yourself so exorbitant that it would be worth it to you). So it's a joke.
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by odubtaig August 5, 2008 8:03 AM PDT
Clearly some people don't feel that 70 years after the death of the author is too long a period of time for a copyright to go on (and on, and on, and on).

Really, how is such a term required for you to pay your bills, is there a lot of ground rent in the afterlife?
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by oneoclock August 5, 2008 8:09 AM PDT
Copyright terms are far too long. It should be limited to 20 years, like patent terms. Perhaps with an exception that the term lasts as long as the author lives as long as the author holds all the rights in person, unencumbered. At the point where the rights are assigned to another party, the 20 year clock should start ticking without any chance to avoid or extend the ultimate expiry.

This way, the recording industry would have an incentive not to snatch the rights from the artists but enter into licensing agreements under which the artists remain in control of their IP.

There are so many sound recordings from the last century which are no longer maintained by the recording companies who own them and as a result many will have deteriorated so much by the time the copyrights expire that they cannot be restored and will be lost forever. A similar situation with movies, too. If the copyrights were to expire sooner, and those works enter the public domain sooner, then they would be looked after by businesses specialising in restauration and reissuing expired copyright works. The way it is now, those businesses will be allowed access only after it's too late.
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by jamalystic August 5, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
I fully agree with ikamerica's comment! Demonizing copyright in this way is simply a farce and outrageous. The internet runs on content and how can it run succesfuly when content providers are been ripped apart by this rampant copyright violations on the internet: Why 'Rethinking' Copyright Law Is a Huge Mistake(http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=556&doc_id=155800&F_src=flftwo)
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by odubtaig August 5, 2008 11:44 AM PDT
You fail to explain precisely how reducing copyright terms would change any of that. Clearly in your rush to agree with someone who hasn't even read what he's replying you, you too are replying to things that have not been said.

Short version: read article, then reply.
by KRz9292 August 5, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
The problem with copyright is what is being allowed to be copyrighted. Dell trying to copyright the term "Cloud Computing" is retarded. Holding people for ransom over some vague patent isn't innovation. But someone or some company spending effort and money to come up with some new ideas should be rewarded otherwise their is no incentive to produce new things.
Everyone trumpets Google as the ideal free open company. Google's business model is to access free content so that they can deluge you with paid ads when you use their search engine. It's in their best business interest to have "free" access to everything so they can flog their ads. If Google was so altruistic about copyright then they should publish their search code as free open source code so anyone can compete with them. We all know that won't happen.
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by The_Decider August 5, 2008 11:12 AM PDT
You are confusing trademarks with copyright.

That is the problem, most people don't understand the difference between patents, copyrights, trade secrets, and trademarks and why they exist.
by mikelpg August 5, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
To translate Patry's statement
"We at Google want to make money selling ads showing other people's work. They fight us on it so the laws needs to change so we- and we alone- can make money. It would be hard and expensive to create the work (news, books, and video) on our own. It is much cheaper to just use someone else's work."
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by nosaya August 5, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
Lets say I write a hit song at the age of 20 (think of the Beatles 'Yesterday' for example). Now, 50 years later I am 70. Do I no longer deserve to be paid for the use of my intellectual property? Nonsense!

Does a Picasso lose its value because its creator is deceased? What about his heirs?

Creatives are not truck drivers, dock workers etc.
They are not paid by the hour. Actually they are not paid at all; until they create something that people feel has value. These creative people are who the copy write laws are intended to protect.
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by c|net Reader August 6, 2008 11:02 AM PDT
I don't see why the heirs should benefit. If a copyright owner is concerned for his heirs, he should save money for them.
by Pete Bardo August 5, 2008 10:11 AM PDT
If anyone is making money off copyrighted material, the creator should be also! It doesn't matter how old the material is. It only matters that it still has value.
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by academikorg August 5, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
Wow - quite a varied response from commenters on both sides of the fence.

All of your readers could do with a read of Laurence Lessig's book on copyright, Free Culture. It will give you a great perspective on how copyright has evolved since the beginning of the 20th century, and how the advent of the Internet has changed all the rules, while regretfully, not changing too many of the associated laws or business models.

Too many people are living in the past, and unfortunately many of them have the power and wealth to make sure that we stay there (Oil companies, Pharmaceutical/Healthcare Organizations, Record Labels, and even the IRS).

Lessig's Blog: www.lessig.org
Free Culture Used on Amazon (no need to kill a new tree): www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0143034650/ref=dp_olp_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1217958728&sr=8-1
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by Cheryl_Milone August 5, 2008 11:00 AM PDT
The frustrations of William Patry, Matt Asay and the commentators are palpable. Surely there are problems here. I suggest instead of dwelling on the problems, as supporters of true innovation, let's transform problems into opportunities.

The collective intelligence represented so dramatically and elegantly by blogs also can be used to address the issue Mr. Asay raises about obvious patents. Congress (the proposed Senate Patent Reform Bill) and the judiciary (the U.S. Supreme Court 2007 KSR decision lowering the bar to proving patents "obvious") are all part of the momentum to reform the U.S. Patent system to its original raison d'etre, to have true innovation drive the patent system. What is needed is access to better prior art for the U.S. Patent Office to more accurately determine true innovation. http://peertopatent.org/ is an effort endorsed by the USPTO to effectuate this goal. The blogging community can support that effort by using and sharing this site as a tool for improvement.

Similarly, while the Orphan Works Act has received criticism (notably, the unfairness of registering), bloggers on a grassroots level should ensure that they register and encourage their peers to do so - sit atop the hurdles to better strategize. And I respectfully suggest self-regulating your communities, making a commitment to a higher level of discourse. A web site http://www.topcoder.com/ is an excellent example of that type of community. Otherwise, valuable copyright attorneys who can scour the Act to identify any advantages for individual authors may find no way to avoid diatribe but for abandoning discourse. The collective intelligence itself of blogs without any copyright or patent protection is a tremendous source for improving both systems.

I'd be honored to hear the opinions of other readers.

Cheryl Milone
Founder, Article One Partners
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by The_Decider August 5, 2008 11:14 AM PDT
Copyright was meant to foster sharing of information while giving the creator a limited monopoly. The limited portion has been skewed out of proportion.

Contrary to popular belief, copyright is not there to protect big business, nor to protect you from big business.

It is there to encourage creativity so our country can have a healthy public domain. In 100 years the public domain will look very similar to how it does today and that will be extremely damaging to our once great country.
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by teh_chrizzle August 5, 2008 11:22 AM PDT
when patry talks about "crazies" he's talking about the rabble that re-start the copyright debate with every post, you know, like the shills that pop up in every copyright discussion. patry is a pro-copyright guy, he just favors the original intent of the copyright system: fostering creativity. most copyright reform types are pro-copyright in some form.

we all love patry because he favors reason over extremism and his writing is a healthy dose of centrism in an increasingly polarized argument. he is giving up on blogging because the copyright system has gone off course from the center and veered into extremist territory.
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by jeolmeun August 5, 2008 1:33 PM PDT
Copyrights should have a money limit if time equals money. The money limit should be determined by something like minimum wage. If the time limit is 70 years, then the money limit should be 70 year * 40 hours * 52 weeks * minimum wage.
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by Travis Ernst August 5, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
Part of the problem with copyright fillings and (lawyers!) registering your materials is the sheer COST. Once you register your materials (say artwork), it is on YOUR END to pay attention and find violations, then bring it to court. PAY the expenses until you hopefully win. The Orphan Act (mentioned in posts) sets no value for stolen works, and you are up the river when you do come to court, the "loss value" is to be determined by the courts. It is not based on the income made on what they took from you if it wa used in say, adds for a product.

This is one reason I have refused to register my arts. The crazy costs of the courts.

One good case of monopoly is DISNEY. Mickey Mouse (the original sketch, not todays version) is STILL PROTECTED. It should be public domain due to the fact they stopped using it, and Walt's passing. Try using it and you will be in court faster than you can blink.
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by jcconnor August 5, 2008 9:25 PM PDT
"Lets say I write a hit song at the age of 20 (think of the Beatles 'Yesterday' for example). Now, 50 years later I am 70. Do I no longer deserve to be paid for the use of my intellectual property? Nonsense!"

Nope, but if your only claim to getting paid is something that you did 50 years ago I hope you got a ton of money as an inheritance. As a senior IT professional I don't get paid for the work that I did 20 years ago, I get paid for the value that I create today.

The copyright system was initially designed to accomplish the same thing. Provide for creators to earn dollars for the value of their works for a limited time. You should probably read what it says. Limited time value of the work. Then the expectation would be that you would create something new of value. Just like every other working stiff has to do. Or if you can't create something new of value allow others to expand on the work to create something of value.

Imagine if the Bach or Beethoven family could have asserted copyright forever on their work how much poorer society would be. Or what if the Phoenicians had been able to patent a series of marks to represent letters and words? Heck, nobody would even be able to comment in writing about their "loss of revenue" without first getting their permission.
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by cheezr August 6, 2008 8:58 AM PDT
Totally agree - and for an interesting insight globally search and replace the word 'copyright' with the word 'microsoft'...
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Matt Asay brings a decade of in-the-trenches open-source business and legal experience to the Open Road, with an emphasis on emerging open-source business strategies and opportunities. Matt is general manager of the Americas division and vice president of business development at Alfresco, a company that develops open-source software for content management. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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