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October 27, 2008 11:55 AM PDT

Buzz Out Loud 839: Is 12 inches too big?

by Molly Wood

What? What's wrong with you people? We're talking about Netbooks. Dell has a new "Mini" Note, but it's a 12-inch laptop. So, the question is: what is going on in the Netbook world these days? Also, the Internet makes you both smarter AND dumber, Google Earth shows up for iPhone, and Oprah gives out a Kindle discount. And Natali and Molly love Oprah. Deal with it.


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EPISODE 839

Sling.com launch
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10/26/slingcom-to-launch-on-november-10/

Google Earth for iPhone/Touch
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10075543-37.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10075860-37.html

iPhone most popular camera on Flickr
http://www.edibleapple.com/iphone-still-reigns-supreme-on-flickr/

Qik for BlackBerry
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/webware/~3/433186788/8301-17939_109-10075395-2.html

Dell Inspiron Mini 12-inch launch
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/pressoffice/en/2008/2008_10_26_rr_000?c=us&l=en&s=corp

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/10/dell-mini-inspi.html

Security flaw revealed in T-Mobile’s Google phone
http://news.cnet.com/Security-flaw-revealed-in-T-Mobiles-Google-phone/2100-1002_3-6247261.html

Netflix streams to Macs
http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/433102357/
http://www.macworld.com/article/136380/2008/10/netflix.html

The Internet makes you smarter but may give you ADD
http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE49Q2YW20081027

Cable TV provider plans its own wireless network (thanks trails2hike!)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/10/27/cox.wireless.ap/index.html

Want $50 off an Amazon Kindle? Thank Oprah
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2333338,00.asp

VOICEMAIL
Jason the Runner: get my wife off the Oprah

Michah: Can’t split the UVerse

E-MAIL
Thomas:

You mentioned on Friday about the Speed Date application taking over for Oregon Trail. That has already happened at least one time before. I had one of those "wall" programs e.g. Fun Wall, Wild Wall, whatever. The Wall program went away and I got an e-mail announcing it's now Speed Date. I didn't remove the application or anything but I would get these e-mails saying that I matched with someone and someone was wanting to contact me, etc. I clicked on one one day for the heck of it and it asked me to fill in my information like name, e-mail, etc. I am a married man so I decided not to do that! After getting a bunch of e-mails about people wanting to match, I uninstalled the application when I figured out how.

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Dear Buzz Crew,

The name ‘Minefield’ is used during all betas. And it uses the Firefox logo without the fox. So basically a globe. With a wick on it. So it looks like a field mine. Think of the mines as bugs. To be exploded and thus removed before the final release.

That is all.

Thanks for reading,
Dylan from KC

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Hi Buzz Town,

This is in response to the e-mailer from episode 838 who tried to return his Rock Band 2 video game to Wal-Mart. I worked as a supervisor for a major competitor to Wal-Mart (starts with a “T”) for almost seven years, and was frequently the one behind the counter having to turn away such returns. This is a policy that every retailer I know of that sells unopened media has. Every store has their own policy about how long you have to make the return, assuming that the software/video game/CD/DVD is unopened, but once the product is opened, the ONLY action they can take is to exchange it for the same product. At the time that I was working in this position, we not only could only exchange it for the product, but we actually had to OPEN the product before the customer left the store (for the obvious reason). As a matter of fact, all of the media we sold was supposed to have a little white sticker adhered to it stating this very policy.

While I am not a lawyer, and my education in any kind of law doesn’t stem beyond Business Law 101, I, along with my co-workers, all knew that the reason for this policy was due to copyright, even though our corporate policies never directly stated this. Even in the days of Game Boys and N64’s, this policy applied, I guess because it was assumed that somebody, somewhere, had the equipment to make illegal copies of these console games that you could not even place into your CD drive. In all of the years that I worked in this position, I almost never had a customer give me a difficult time regarding this policy. They all seemed to understand, and even if they did challenge us, we would always offer the excuse the federal copyright law prohibits us from taking back these open products, and they were welcome to go to our competitor to try to return the item, but they would be met with the same frustration. That’s one of the reasons for used video games stores!

A hint for the e-mailer: assuming there are no markings on the copy that you bought online that would identify it as a product from a certain retailer, and the UPC is the same, you can always take THAT copy back to Wal-Mart (assuming it’s unopened).

Love the show…
Stephanie in Atlanta

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Hi there, BOL crew (greatest-podcast-in-the-cloud), I was listening to episode 838, and you had an e-mail from someone that wasn’t able to return his Rock Band game he bought from Walmart because of “Federal Copyright Law”, which Molly said she had never heard of and you generally all passed of as BS from a Wal-Mart customer service rep.

Well, I would have been in the same mind frame until yesterday. I work at Best Buy’s Geek Squad, where a customer approached me wanting to return a game she had purchased along with her new $1,200 laptop the day prior because no one told her that it wasn’t compatible with Vista. Despite the fact she came to the wrong counter, since I am not a customer service rep, I was more than willing to see what we could do for her, since I felt it was a simple oversight, and it was only a $10 game. When I asked a customer service supervisor if we would be able to exchange it for a different game for her, I was told that we couldn’t because of “Federal copyright law”! I know our policy is that we normally don’t return open software unless its defective, and even then we can only exchange it for the SAME software, but I figured we could make an exception. It took me by surprise, because I had never heard anything about this law before, and then you at the BOL podcast reiterated it. We made an exception in her case since we didn’t want to come off as total jerks (at least I didn’t). It makes sense, though, that we normally wouldn’t not return it, since we cannot resell open software once its open, the store pretty much has to eat the price of the software, which is not a good business model. Also, if we returned open soft, it would be quite possible for a customer to not only copy software, but copy down activation codes for products such as antivirus, or certain video games, and screw over the next customer who would want to purchase.

In short, this “Federal Copyright Law” in regards to software is not just a Wal-Mart reps attempt to blow off a customer, but actually a policy that carries over to legitimate establishments like Best Buy.

~Wez (The-geek-squad-agent-who-doesn’t-want-to-hear-the-same-best-buy-ads-in-BOL-anymore)

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I liked that BitTorrent is used as the distribution method for their content but there is a larger issue at hand: Wikipedia used as a reference source in schools. Isn’t Wikipedia banned as a reference source in many areas of academia?

Michael

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by bdegrande October 27, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
12" is way too big for a netbook, and, no, the Macbook Air doesn't measure up either. It is light, but not small. I agree with the comment that it should fit anywhere - small backpack, purse, briefcase. I have used small machines for years, the Toshiba Libretto was one of my favorite computers ever. I would love to have a small machine running OS X (actually I have a Sony UMPC that runs it, but that's another issue entirely.). When Apple announced the Macbook Air, I bought an iPod Touch for mobile use. With their latest announcements, I gave up on them making a small laptop and bought an Asus 901, which I love. The 8.9" screen is just right for me. If my eyes were as good as they were 1o years ago, I might even have gone with a smaller model. a 10" screen is the largest I would consider a netbook, and even those are too large for my taste.
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by pulladoublefull October 27, 2008 2:33 PM PDT
I am so happy! I have been listening to the show for 2+ years and I think this is the first time I have ever heard Darfur mentioned in the podcast! Thank You JaMoToNa! I know that your podcast is completely unrelated to genocide and you were not even talking about the actual conflict, but I loved hearing the word "Darfur"

Thank You!

Zach P
www.STANDnow.org
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by redwall_hp October 27, 2008 10:17 PM PDT
My definition of a netbook is a small laptop under $500 that is "less than capable." Essentially, with today's specs, 512mv of ram or less, less than 30 gigs of storage space (generally should be flash memory), and is useless for anything other than word processing, internet, and email checking. Also, a netbook is under six pounds, lacks optical drives, and has a display smaller than 12 inches.

That said, I don't like netbooks. They're a kludgy interim between real notebooks and handheld platforms such as the iPhone or G1. I predict that this netbook trend will fade away in a few years, with handheld devices replacing them.
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by au071 October 28, 2008 4:22 AM PDT
What's the bookread site Molly talked about? bookreads.com seems to be some magazine owned; bookread.com is amazon.
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by Fromiester October 28, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
Long time listener, First time commenter. I can't believe you missed a perfect opportunity to reference "Spinal Tap", the title of teh show should be - NETBOOKS "it goes to eleven!"

By the way I think bigger is better, as long as the function remains simply to use, and portability is primary. The main functions should be centered around, portability media viewing, simply web surfing, e-mail, and even Skype. If you need more function such as Office related needs, a full Notebook would be the way to go. I'd say 11" would be big enough and still remain portable.

Just my 2 cents

Thanks for all the content you provide, keeps my work days enjoyable.
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by rrsitemaps October 30, 2008 8:46 AM PDT
Hey Buzz Crew,

I have to weigh in on the "is 12 inches too big?" question. I have been using a 12" Apple PowerBook for 6 years now. While it is not my main computer, I use my 12" PowerBook almost every day, and love it. I have found it to be a great balance between portability, screen size, and keyboard size. It fits into a small backpack, or large purse, doesn't weigh a ton, and still functions great for surfing the internet, emailing, editing documents and spreadsheets, and light graphics. I realize that it doesn't fit the dictionary definition of "NetBook" (not that there is one), but if you look at the specs, I think it qualifies. 1 Ghz processor, 1GB of RAM, smallish hard drive (30 GB), WiFi enabled, and opens all the way on a coach class airplane tray.

It definitely doesn't meet your price criteria though. When I bought it, I paid almost $3000 for it. This price included tax, upgrading the RAM, and a $199 copy of Final Cut Express (yes, I have even edited video on it, and it wasn't that bad). Still, I feel like the price was reasonable, considering the fact that I have gotten 6 good years out of it, and I don't see myself getting rid of it any time soon. In fact, a couple of months ago, the hard drive finally gave out on it, and I couldn't stand the thought of parting with it, so I went to fry's and bought a new 160 GB Western Digital, and installed it myself.

I am really disappointed that apple hasn't released and Intel powered NetBook. I don't buy the "we can't build a $500 computer that isn't junk" argument. I would be happy to see them stuff the current MacBook guts into a smaller form factor, and put a 12" (or smaller) screen on it. I am sure they could do that for under $800, and there would be people lined up to buy them, and I don't think they would be junk.

As for the Macbook Air, I don't think it qualifies as a NetBook. It may be light and thin, but the 13" screen is no smaller than a normal MacBook. The price is outrageous. In a time when Dell, Asus, and the rest can put out sub $500 NetBooks, the $1799 starting price on the MacBook Air seems like highway robbery, especially when you consider that in 3 years, the battery will be dead, and it will cost another couple hundred dollars to revive it.

Love the show,
Garritt
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